Author Topic: Question to Skuzzy/HTC. (Read 6025 times)

Wmaker · « **on:** February 12, 2004, 02:38:53 PM »

Hello!

In the skin submission guidelines post Skuzzy stated the following:

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
We will not accept skins containing the swatiska.

I assume this concrens the swastikas carried by the military aircraft of the german Luftwaffe and not the Von Rosen Cross carried by the aircraft of the Finnish Air Force?

I know there has been Bf109G-2 with Finnish Air Force markings since the AH1 beta so I just wanted to make sure I understood this correctly.

Thanks in advance!

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2004, 03:31:19 PM »

Err, so no kill markings at all?

Kweassa · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2004, 03:34:40 PM »

Use the Balkenkreuz in place of the swastika that'd work good.

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Unfortunately, in the case of some planes like my Meyer's A-5, the absence of the swastika leaves a pretty large space open.

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Anyone have any ideas on a substitution that's look appropriate?

ergRTC · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2004, 04:01:30 PM »

how bout a big fat purple dinosaur?

Wmaker · « **Reply #4 on:** February 12, 2004, 06:13:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
Use the Balkenkreuz in place of the swastika that'd work good.

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Unfortunately, in the case of some planes like my Meyer's A-5, the absence of the swastika leaves a pretty large space open.

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Anyone have any ideas on a substitution that's look appropriate?

I didn't ask any substitutions for swastika for german planes. I asked if Finnish Air Force planes can use the blue Von Rosen Cross I have as my avatar.

Just like we have now in the Bf109G-2 in AH1.

The fact that german planes lack the swastika from the tail doesn't bother me at all anymore as I've flown WB and AH awhile now. IMO the best way is just to leave the tail without any substituting symbol on german planes.

oboe · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2004, 06:49:52 PM »

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Originally posted by ergRTC
how bout a big fat purple dinosaur?

I would find that offensive. And I'm pretty sure it's banned in a number of countries.

Superfly · « **Reply #6 on:** February 13, 2004, 08:46:28 AM »

I'm guessing since we haven't banned you for using the Finnish cross in your avatar that it's ok to use it on your plane skins.

Wmaker · « **Reply #7 on:** February 13, 2004, 08:54:58 AM »

LOL Superfly!!

Thanks for the info!!

ergRTC · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2004, 08:58:34 AM »

btw superfly, that b17 is a masterpiece. The inside is very very nice.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #9 on:** February 14, 2004, 10:10:11 AM »

With all due respect and no offense meant to anyone.
Might I ask the logic behind not having the swastika on the German tails even though it might be historically accurate to have them there?

Is this just political correctness at its usual worst?
Or are there really that many people that it would really bother?

Nobody is disputing or condoning the atrocities of the Nazis.
And I fully understand and agree we cant have Nazi squads as that would indeed be blatantly disrespectful of the Jewish/polish/ Russian etc. communities

But in essence aren't these Nazi planes? After all Just to be in the military you had to sign an oath of allegiance to Hitler.
If that's the case then perhaps we shouldn't have the planes either

On some planes wouldn't it be historically accurate to have them there?

If I were Jewish I wouldn't object to the insignia being there if for no other reason then to be historically accurate.
Plus it would provide more incentive or at least make me more hell-bent to shoot every one of them down that I saw.
Hell I'd probably up just to hunt and shoot them down specific.

But I'd want them there. I'd want to remember and be reminded.

Now really to me personally I don't care if they are there or not.
I think they should be for the sake of historical accuracy but when it comes right down to it. It does not bother me that they aren't one way or the other.

I am curious though on the thoughts of our jewish/polish/russian ect communities their thoughts about it.

So just out of pure curiosity.
What DO you folks think?

How many of you would object of German planes with the historically accurate Swastika markings and why?

By the same token. How many would NOT object and why?

Please no flames. And I know that it isn't going to change policy one way or the other.
I am simply curious as to the thoughts of the afore mentioned communities.

mrblack · « **Reply #10 on:** February 14, 2004, 10:43:46 AM »

You know I am a Jew.
And I think you are doing the game a dis service by NOT have the correct markings!
If It was a german plan and It had a swatika then why not put it on for the historical aspect of it all.

Not putting it on does not change history and does not mean it never happend(holocost).

Lets keep It accuarate and real people.
I Im not offended by It at all:aok

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 14, 2004, 11:06:23 AM »

They're doing it because it's illegal for games in Germany to have any resemblance of "Constitutionally Illegal" institutions.

While I disagree with it, it'll let more people play the game.

mrblack · « **Reply #12 on:** February 14, 2004, 01:23:29 PM »

True but the game is based in Texas not germany.
So I would guess it would have to follow US law?

Just seems a little sillt to me I mean My family will never forget the holocoust but time to move on.

You can put a monkey in a suite but when its all said and done he's still just a monkey.

The world needs to stop sugar coating everything.

artik · « **Reply #13 on:** February 14, 2004, 02:01:57 PM »

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Originally posted by mrblack
True but the game is based in Texas not germany.
So I would guess it would have to follow US law?

Just seems a little sillt to me I mean My family will never forget the holocoust but time to move on.

You can put a monkey in a suite but when its all said and done he's still just a monkey.

The world needs to stop sugar coating everything.

I'm Israeli and Jew,
and I would prefere to fly in AH without Nazi Swatics even if it makes the skins more "historically accurate"

The little simbol on 109s tail will not change the way 109 looks but it do change how I and others will relate to this one because for me and my family it relates to Nazizm not just WW2.

I think it is right not to put Nazi Swastics on German planes.

Kweassa · « **Reply #14 on:** February 14, 2004, 02:40:20 PM »

Mr.Black et al, we can agree/disagree all day since everyone has a difference stance upon this issue, concerning emotional feelings, historic accuracy, moral values etc etc.

But before any of that, it's a purely legal issue concerning some of the countries which outlaws the usage of the Nazi symbol. As a game that needs a commercial value, it's pretty much set and done issue.

Now, HTC can introduce something like a "German version" of AH, but unlike IL2/FB which is a boxed game with limited MP capabilities, AH is a MMOG which has a central basis where people from all over the world connect to a single spot. Unless they develop a sort of a special blocking system for users where the swastika is outlawed, it's not gonna work.

And I have a pretty good feeling HTC ain't gonna invest any time and effort into making something like that.