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Offline TheZohan

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mosquito fans
« on: March 05, 2009, 07:33:25 AM »
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Offline bozon

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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2009, 07:47:07 AM »
Hehe, not many mosquito fans these days. Here is something for the few, excellent (including combat) footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cb6SmK_c2g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7pNBSRkEiQ

If you have bittorent:
http://www.aviapedia.com/bombers/the-de-havilland-mosquito-film

This one has some dazzling footage of low level flying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KWZq2ZS_yY&feature=related
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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2009, 07:50:37 AM »
i was actually watching a movie the other day "the mosquito squadron"  seem pretty good


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064699/
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Offline Belial

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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2009, 10:06:05 AM »
Mossie my fav twin eng plane
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Offline SmokinLoon

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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2009, 10:45:54 AM »
I love the Mossie, it is a highly under-rated aircraft.  It is just too bad that it is held back a bit, regardless of how "little", with those blasted flame dampers/exhaust baffles on the engines (less than %20 of the Mk IV's had the exhasut baffles).  Another 5-15mph (alt dependent) would allow the Mk IV to really shine.  Currently, it is retarded and not even HTC will acknowledge as to the reasoning why. 

The Mossie is out-weighed by the Bf110G-2 and its dual 30mm, dual 20mm (or quad 20mm), and its pair of 500kg bombs.  The speed and menouverability of the Mossie come into play even more so when comparing the two.  The Mossie retains E quite well, but dont cross the 400pmh mark in a steep dive bomb or else you'll compress or lose parts.

I'd like to see the version that carries the 6/500lb bombs or even the "cookie".   

EDIT: I just watched all of the films posted by bozon and I didnt see a single exhaust baffle on any of them.  ;)
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Offline MiloMorai

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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2009, 11:38:48 AM »
You do know that all these Osprey books you are linking to are copyrighted.

All rights reserved. Apart from any fair dealing for the purpose of private study, criticism or revues, as permitted under the Copyright, Design and patent Act, 1988, no part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic, electrical, chemical, mechanical, optical, photocopying, recording or otherwise, without prior written permission.
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Offline Die Hard

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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2009, 11:42:18 AM »
MiloMorai, those books are published on Google by Osprey themselves. Look on the right.

"Published by Osprey Publishing
Pages displayed by permission"
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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2009, 11:49:51 AM »
OK then.
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Offline morfiend

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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2009, 01:02:48 PM »
Mossie...pffft.

  always thought it was an unarmed bomber. :eek:
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Offline AWwrgwy

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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2009, 01:25:06 PM »
Quote from: Die Hard on March 17, 2009, 11:42:18 AM
MiloMorai, those books are published on Google by Osprey themselves. Look on the right.

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They're only experts at any rate.   Just a taste.

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Offline Becinhu

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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2009, 01:37:07 PM »
Quote from: morfiend on March 17, 2009, 01:02:48 PM
Mossie...pffft.

  always thought it was an unarmed bomber. :eek:
No, that's a p-38  :noid
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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2009, 05:43:50 PM »
Quote from: SmokinLoon on March 17, 2009, 10:45:54 AM

EDIT: I just watched all of the films posted by bozon and I didnt see a single exhaust baffle on any of them.  ;)

Been suggested many, many times over to remove them!

a) The only Mossies with factory fitted flame dampers were the initial few batches. But they were unable to carry rockets, so ours isn't based on those.

b) They were fitted for night operations  - we no longer have night!
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Offline Scherf

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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2009, 06:26:42 PM »
If you look closely at pics of 8 Group Mossies, you'll see they didn't even use the baffles for night bombing sorties. There's pics of 105, 109 and 139 Sqn Mossies in mid-43 with the baffles, after that they seem to come off as a matter of course. "Mosquito" by Sharp & Bowyer says the visibility was reduced by making the stub exhausts of a narrow cross-section, and was more than paid for by the gain in speed.
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Offline Karnak

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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2009, 08:31:14 PM »
The problem I have run into is finding actual test data for a non-lemon Mosquito without the dampers.  It may not exist.
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Re: mosquito fans
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2009, 11:59:53 PM »
The only one I've seen (for the FB.VI) is a de Havilland test which was run in response to the problems whcih the A&AEE identified with the lemon test aircraft. (The non-lemon did the same speed with the saxophone exhausts as the lemon fitted with ejectors in the hands of the A&AEE. dH took the lemon back, cleaned it up, re-did the test and sent the results to Boscombe Downe.)

It's available at:

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/mosquito/hj679-dh.pdf
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... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB
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