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JU87 w\37mm Cannon for Tank Busting
« on: November 16, 2009, 03:25:39 PM »


This question is not can we or why don't we have it? This question is just when will we get it?
I have seen several related pages of post. They are all good points and comments. Just wondering about the when...

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Re: JU87 w\37mm Cannon for Tank Busting
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2009, 04:33:17 PM »
Ok lets talk tank busting and the JU-87Gs 3.7mm cannon And how it compares to the Soviet NS-37 cannon the IL-2 was armed with.

The German BK 3,7 cannon was belt fed so it had a relatively small ammo load out. I always thought the load out was 16 rounds per gun for an overall 32. Far less then the IL-2, which loads out at 50 per gun.

The NS-37 fired an 760 gram AP round made of hardened steel at 880 m/s, with a ROF of 250 rpm "500 rpm with 2 guns". It was rated to punch thru 50mm of any tanks armor at 200 m. Developing 294,000 joules of muzzle energy.

The BK 3,7 gun of the JU-87G fired a 405 gram tungsten core AP shell at 1,140 m/s with an ROF of 160 rpm "2 guns = 320 rpm", developing 263,000 joules of muzzle energy. I dont remember what this round was rated for penetration-wise but we can assume at least the same as the NS-37.

Strange that the Soviets used tungsten core for their ground anti-tank weapons but not for the NS-37. There were pro and con for the Germans using the smaller tungsten round at a higher velocity. While it would shoot flatter it wouldn't cause as much damage as the heavier 37mm rounds and tungsten was nothing special when it came to secondary burning, "unlike depleted uranium". On the Pro side the round surpassed the 250,000 joule limit of M/E widely believed to be the figure needed to penetrate any WW-ll tank.

So it shot a smaller tungsten round with a faster velocity, at a much slower ROF, a smaller load out. I would bet the JU-87 would be a fine stable platform and this would be an efficient tank killer in the game, as it was in actual use.

The Luftwaffe was very careful in awarding kills to their pilots. I believe Rudel killed all those tanks and think the "G" would be a fine addition to AH. :salute
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Re: JU87 w\37mm Cannon for Tank Busting
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2009, 05:50:32 PM »
Ok lets talk tank busting and the JU-87Gs 3.7mm cannon And how it compares to the Soviet NS-37 cannon the IL-2 was armed with.

The German BK 3,7 cannon was belt fed so it had a relatively small ammo load out. I always thought the load out was 16 rounds per gun for an overall 32. Far less then the IL-2, which loads out at 50 per gun.

The NS-37 fired an 760 gram AP round made of hardened steel at 880 m/s, with a ROF of 250 rpm "500 rpm with 2 guns". It was rated to punch thru 50mm of any tanks armor at 200 m. Developing 294,000 joules of muzzle energy.

The BK 3,7 gun of the JU-87G fired a 405 gram tungsten core AP shell at 1,140 m/s with an ROF of 160 rpm "2 guns = 320 rpm", developing 263,000 joules of muzzle energy. I dont remember what this round was rated for penetration-wise but we can assume at least the same as the NS-37.

Strange that the Soviets used tungsten core for their ground anti-tank weapons but not for the NS-37. There were pro and con for the Germans using the smaller tungsten round at a higher velocity. While it would shoot flatter it wouldn't cause as much damage as the heavier 37mm rounds and tungsten was nothing special when it came to secondary burning, "unlike depleted uranium". On the Pro side the round surpassed the 250,000 joule limit of M/E widely believed to be the figure needed to penetrate any WW-ll tank.

So it shot a smaller tungsten round with a faster velocity, at a much slower ROF, a smaller load out. I would bet the JU-87 would be a fine stable platform and this would be an efficient tank killer in the game, as it was in actual use.

The Luftwaffe was very careful in awarding kills to their pilots. I believe Rudel killed all those tanks and think the "G" would be a fine addition to AH. :salute

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Re: JU87 w\37mm Cannon for Tank Busting
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2009, 05:59:13 PM »
The 37mm Flak 18 cannons on the Ju 87G-1 and earlier D-3 models only carried 6 rounds per gun pod for a total of 12 rounds. 


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Re: JU87 w\37mm Cannon for Tank Busting
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2009, 06:48:55 PM »
It would be nice to have however one Wirble about & well you know the rest.

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Re: JU87 w\37mm Cannon for Tank Busting
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2009, 06:52:55 PM »
There were pro and con for the Germans using the smaller tungsten round at a higher velocity. While it would shoot flatter it wouldn't cause as much damage as the heavier 37mm rounds and tungsten was nothing special when it came to secondary burning, "unlike depleted uranium".
When firing at high velocities, traditional steel shot would tend to shatter on impact rather than penetrate.  Tungsten, being very dense, would not shatter, and thus could deal damage when traditional AP would fail.
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Re: JU87 w\37mm Cannon for Tank Busting
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2009, 07:14:42 PM »
Would still be a nice variety.
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Re: JU87 w\37mm Cannon for Tank Busting
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2009, 05:50:02 AM »
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Re: JU87 w\37mm Cannon for Tank Busting
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2009, 11:27:20 PM »
I want this plane so bad I can taste it.
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Re: JU87 w\37mm Cannon for Tank Busting
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2009, 12:53:20 AM »
I want this plane so bad I can taste it.

We have the plane. ;)

Just not the loadout.
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Re: JU87 w\37mm Cannon for Tank Busting
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2009, 02:10:48 AM »
The 37mm Flak 18 cannons on the Ju 87G-1 and earlier D-3 models only carried 6 rounds per gun pod for a total of 12 rounds. 


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Re: JU87 w\37mm Cannon for Tank Busting
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2009, 03:13:58 AM »
12 kills per sortie isnt bad

That's if you are good enough of an aim to hit with one shot.


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Re: JU87 w\37mm Cannon for Tank Busting
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2009, 03:23:37 AM »
unless youre hunting jeeps/M3s/M8s...... even if you were a perfect shot you aint gettin more than 1 kill with 12 rounds
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Re: JU87 w\37mm Cannon for Tank Busting
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2009, 05:50:13 AM »
12 kills per sortie isnt bad

Actually it was 12 per gun. Not 16. Not 6.
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Re: JU87 w\37mm Cannon for Tank Busting
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2009, 08:32:43 AM »
Actually it was 12 per gun. Not 16. Not 6.

The Kanonenvogel had 6 rounds per pod, this is not even close to being open for debate.
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