110 question

[Sunka]

Yes i could search this out but it will be much more easy and decisive to ask here ,and i'm sure there are some 110 guys that know this already.Was there ever modified 110's with no rear gun at all ,to save weight and become more of a fighter?

[Lusche]

Yes, and it was called FW 187 

 


All kidding aside, I can't recall ever having read about such a modification.

[Larry]

Iv never read of any if there were. The only times Iv read gunners being taken out would be in the night fighter version. You have to understand that in RL the rear gunner was worth the extra weight. Unlike in AH when a 110s gunner was firing at you, you didn't say "oh its just a 7.9mm it cant do any damage". You got the hell out of the way because that gun was firing real bullets at you. 

[oakranger]

Yes i could search this out but it will be much more easy and decisive to ask here ,and i'm sure there are some 110 guys that know this already.Was there ever modified 110's with no rear gun at all ,to save weight and become more of a fighter?

Rumpelhardt quotes Schnauffer with the saying "One extra pair of eyes is more worth than a reargun" or something along that line.
He apparently thought it's better to save the extra weight for better performance so he can better escape into the dark in the event of an attack from the rear.


I did came across of a pic of a night fighter Bf 110-F4 (i think) that dose not have a rear gun.  would have to look for it.   I also seen some images of a Bf 110 G2/4 OR F model that was fitted 1 x 37mm on the bottom nose. 

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http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/happy-plane-pic.jpg

[Harp00n]

Not sure about this one:



But I like the armament of this one (a bit blurred but it looks like a real big gun  )

[morfiend]

 I dont recall the rear gunner ever being removed either,as for the 37mm that was put on several G4's and carried 11 cartridge cases for a total of 66 rounds.

 What I'm not sure of is if another case could be loaded or the 11 included 1 in the breech and 10 in some type of cartridge case holder.

 Now if we could only get the perked ords system and the BK3.7 gun modeled then both the 110 and stuka fliers would be happy.

[oakranger]

Harp00n, that second pic it is a 30 or 37 mm cannon to take out the bombers.   


G-2/R-1 with the 37mm Flak 18 gun


Trying to find out what the "Black N" on the nose is for.


Bf110G-2 with the R-2 pack in between.


Bf 110 G-2/R1, M8+NP, 6./ZG 76, taken at Wertheim in September 1943.




Bf110G-2 which seems to carry 6 (!) Wurfgranaten tubes - 2 tubes under fuselage




You can clearly see the 37 mm on the closes 110. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1BzTXQCSBs
110 fitted with 37 mm to take out B-17s

[Krusty]

Not sure about this one:

(Image removed from quote.)

The entire rear canopy closed, and what we have in AH is how it opened up. Rather interesting way of opening, IMO. Could be that the gun was "stowed" like some US dive bombers did?

[Charge]

AFAIK in MG-FF equipped versions the rear gunner changed the ammunition drums, i.e. 3 drums/gun. In night fighters the rear gunner changed the "schräge musik" cannons' drums.

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[Flipperk]

The entire rear canopy closed, and what we have in AH is how it opened up. Rather interesting way of opening, IMO. Could be that the gun was "stowed" like some US dive bombers did?

In WWII Online the rear gunner on the 110 is stowed inside the canopy until needed, then you press a hot key the back opens up and the gun can be placed.

[jdbecks]

I like flying around in 110s, and having that armament would be great! 

[oakranger]

I like flying around in 110s, and having that armament would be great! 

It might be something that Hitech needs to add. 

[Grendel]

Iv never read of any if there were. The only times Iv read gunners being taken out would be in the night fighter version. You have to understand that in RL the rear gunner was worth the extra weight.

But. The standard crew of night fighter Bf 110 was 3 men. The gunner was also a pair of Mark I Eyeballs - and radio operator. Between him and the pilot was also radar operator.

[Larry]

But. The standard crew of night fighter Bf 110 was 3 men. The gunner was also a pair of Mark I Eyeballs - and radio operator. Between him and the pilot was also radar operator.

What does that have to do with what I said?