M410 Armament?

[Krusty]

Found this this morning (before the voting results).

Shows a better angle of the one-behind-the-other bomb racks (had seen a pic before, couldn't find it to show in this thread until now)

Scans also from the pilot handbook, shows diagrams for the internal guns and loading, as well as some other nice stuff.

Here's the bomb rack pic:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7614/u4wb151loadinggo9.jpg

[Hajo]

Just something that some may have missed.  The LW canceled productioin of the Bf110 in anticipation of the 210, later the 410.

The 210 and 410 performed so poorly that the LW reinstated production of the 110. Willie was almost shot lol.

It is a nice looking aircraft, but more or less ended up being a target.

[Die Hard]

Bf 110 production was never cancelled and the Me 410 took over the daylight heavy fighter role from the 110G in 1943. The 110 continued on as a night fighter. In addition to destroying several bombers, daylight heavy fighter ace Eduard Tratt shot down five P-38s flying the Me 410 from October 1943 until his death in March 1944.

[Ack-Ack]

Bf 110 production was never cancelled and the Me 410 took over the daylight heavy fighter role from the 110G in 1943. The 110 continued on as a night fighter. In addition to destroying several bombers, daylight heavy fighter ace Eduard Tratt shot down five P-38s flying the Me 410 from October 1943 until his death in March 1944.

By the summer of 1944, Me 410 units were being removed from the Defense of the Reich duties and production was being phased out.  Remaining Me 410s were then used as recce aircraft and by April of 1945, most Me 410s were encountered as single night fighters. 

Against unescorted bombers, the Me 410 enjoyed a modest success but when the bombers were protected by escorts, Me 410 successes against the bombers were quite offset by their losses.  One example is a mission where 16 Me 410s were shot down in return 8 B-17s and 4 P-51s (the Mustangs were shot down by Bf 109s and FW 190s that were escorting the Me 410s). 


ack-ack

[Charge]

I don't know how relevant such comparisons are when aircraft performance is considered.

At that time any German plane in German airspace was more or less a target due to odds and the fact that when you are taking off and gaining alt you already have planes that are more numerous and higher that you. IMO Me410 is very much comparable to Mossie but with the situation it was introduced in it was not the most optimal aircraft even if the idea of a heavy interceptor made sense as such. Eg. FW190 could bring similar weapon effect to bear on bombers but if you lost it you only lost half the material than if you lost a Me410. In a war of attrition it is best to minimize the material losses if you know they will inevitably happen so the change in role of Me410 does not necessarily tell about how deficient the design was, but a correct change in strategy in use of that particular airframe in that strategic situation. Hell, they even made those slow NF 110Gs to fly against bombers in daytime... talk about ridiculous and desperate strategy there. A stupid practice which ended quickly when losses started to mount after many experienced NF aircrews were already lost.

Technically there was not a task a FW190 could not do, including carrying an SC1000 but FW190 had to carry MK103s in external pods as 410 could carry them all internally with less drag penalty and thus with little penalty to speed and also with less penalty to overall maneuverability. If there is something to point out then of course FW could not carry Bk5 (no matter how useless it was in practice).

In a better strategic situation and with adequate escorts and proper tactics the Me410 would have been a very capable interceptor.

-C+

[Ack-Ack]

In a better strategic situation and with adequate escorts and proper tactics the Me410 would have been a very capable interceptor.

-C+

Against unescorted bombers it could have been but like the Bf 110, if the bombers had escorts the Me 410 was nothing more than just fodder for the single engine fighters that out classed the Me 410 towards the end of the war.  I also disagree that the Me 410 and the Mosquito are comparable aircraft, at least performance wise.  The roles that both planes were used in might be comparable but that's where it ends.


ack-ack

[bustr]

I'm surprised at our learned membership. Half of you are arguing the 410's uselessness to win an intelectual sparring match. The other half are arguing to defeat your personal forum adversary by denegrating a possible future game addition.

After all of these years we know the realities of the MA and flourish in it's challenges with just about anything.

1. Whats good about this thing?
2. What Mischief can we turn it to in the MA?
3. Why shouldn't HiTech give it to us?
4. Do any of you want this ride or should all of you get rooms together and finally consumate your marraiges?

Man I missed the boat on a fortune in salt selling to you guys. I swear all of you would sink the Titanic on purpose just to have something to squablle about.

<First Mate> - Captain someone blew a hole in the ship.
<Captain> - I told you not to let the Aces High convention onto this ship.
<First Mate> - They promised this year no getting wasted, throwing keyboards or banging things on the walls.
<ack-ack> - Hmmmm, did I remember to tell Charge he bought a live WW2 surplus 88 from me????...Hmmmm...now who else can I sell these to.......hmmmm Hajo!

[moot]

I thought they had upgraded the engines?

Well, at least one of the webpages I got this stuff from was wrong, then. I was reading up on it earlier in the morning.

There's conflicting info all over the place as far as the 410 is concerned.  In books and in internet resources.

I hope you guys remember there were a few other 410 threads before this one, probably with useful info. E.G. on why it'd be worth splitting the 410 into A and B, performance estimates (with math shown), various interesting bits, etc.

I think this

But BK5 equipped Me410 was produced in numbers and certainly would be something that AH hasn't yet seen. In that context, I think it would be a welcome loadout.

trumps this

Imagine the whines and outcries coming to the forums "Where's my 30mm on the 410B!??!? It had them!" and "Why can't I have bombs on my 410A?"

  The top interest is adding valuable content to the game; uninformed whines are not pertinent. A smaller version of the B25H would be such a valuable content, esp. if it comes bundled with as many other features as the 410 would bring. It's because the A and B were identical that it's ok to use that sameness as a bridge to including more useful and historical guns and bombs than the game's limitations (max number of weapons per model) would otherwise allow.

I remember doing the math for relative power of the gun loadouts, for 1 round bursts (snapshots), 1 second bursts (saddled up killshot), total ammo power (ground attack or A2A  bomber destruction endurance), and IIRC (excluding BK5 cfg's) the 6x20mm was almost tied with the 2xMG151 + 2xMK103 for total ammo power, but the 103 was clearly better for 1 round burst power.  I can't remember what it came up to on a 1-second burst basis.

[LLogann]

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