Me 209

[davidwales]

The Germans had a great aircraft that could have matched any aircraft alied aircraft ever had it was the me 209 , it could have matched spit in any speed , does anyone agree the me 262 should be replaced by the me 209 which was a piston aircraft , and much faster .

[Lusche]

About everything in that post is plain wrong

[Karnak]

The Germans had a great aircraft that could have matched any aircraft alied aircraft ever had it was the me 209 , it could have matched spit in any speed , does anyone agree the me 262 should be replaced by the me 209 which was a piston aircraft , and much faster .

There has never been a piston aircraft faster than the Me262.  Some turboprops have been faster, but those run on turbines, not pistons.

The Me209 was not, so far as I know, more than a test and record generating platform.  Certainly it wasn't a fighter.

[davidwales]

I thought the 209 was a aircraft originally designed to beat the spitfire originally a race air craft as the original spit was classed as a seagull with boots and 209 was designed to better it's speed with sponsons attached rather than undercarriage and 262 was the first jet fighter which Was much slower , might be wrong though .?

[Lusche]

The Me209 was not, so far as I know, more than a test and record generating platform.  Certainly it wasn't a fighter.

Tehre were two entirely different planes with the name "Me 209", the one was the record plane, and another was a fighter prototype... which wasn't discontinued because it had been as awsesome as david is trying to make us believe

[davidwales]

It was in production but not used during 1944  it was a piston aircraft developed to beat the spitfire long before 1939 but never built as the spit was a primary race aircraft hence the tag seagull with boots on reach for the sky

[Lusche]

It was in production but not used during 1944  it was a piston aircraft developed to beat the spitfire long before 1939 but never built as the spit was a primary race aircraft hence the tag seagull with boots on reach for the sky

Please, do us a favor and read up on the Me 209.

[lyric1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_209

[davidwales]

Well did you the 262 was equipped with the first air to air missiles I've read a bit about the 209 it was a race aircraft and could get up to 500 mph it was a piston aircraft , there was a faster aircraft the Germans had was the dornia 334 it was a duel prop aircraft able to get up to speeds of 550 mph which was very fast , and I hasten to add that the 262 did see action with it's air to air rockets 24 in fact 12. Each side so we should wish for this which would be brilliant in shooting down buffs at distance .

[Lusche]

I propose you read up more than just a bit, and that you check any numbers or facts you present before posting.

Your posts in this thread have the highest factual error density I have seen on this board for a long time... 

[Karnak]

The Supermarine 224 was completely unrelated to the Type 300 other than the fact that it was to carry the name "Spitfire" which the Type 300 eventually did.  The 224 was canceled because it had inadequate performance.  Certainly no German aircraft was ever designed to "beat" it.

[Ack-Ack]

It was in production but not used during 1944  it was a piston aircraft developed to beat the spitfire long before 1939 but never built as the spit was a primary race aircraft hence the tag seagull with boots on reach for the sky

You're on a roll kid, keep hammering 'em when you got 'em on the ropes!


ack-ack

[davidwales]

i like that name 

[EVZ]

The Supermarine 224 was completely unrelated

Not COMPLETELY unrelated ... It was part of the design series that streched from the S6b Schnyder Cup race plane (world record 1929 407mph). To the Spit 1 ... I suspect it's the famous S6b That DW was refering to ... NOT AT ALL a spitfire at that stage, but it's ancestor ... The knowledge gained from building it's successors eventually DID lead to the Spitfire 1 -AND- The RR Merlin Engine.

The Original ME 209 -DID- set a world record at 469 MPH, but that was 10 years later in 1939. Quite a bit slower than a 262. The Nazis attempted to capitalize on the record by associating the plane with the ME109 fighter (which was actually an EARLIER design). Interestingly, the 209s Speed Record STOOD (for piston engine aircraft) for 30 years and wasn't beaten until 1969, by a highly modified F8F Bearcat. Also interestingly ... the DO-335 (which I THINK may be what David was refering to?) was tested at 474 MPH, but never underwent the official speed trials required for a World Record (due to the confusion as the war ended.)

SOME people need to lighten up a tad I'd say ?

[MK-84]

Wow

just....

Wow