Soviet Bomber's

[Scotty55OEFVet]

I know that the He-111 has been talked about as being the next bomber added to the Axis plane set but I believe that the Soviet plane set is in need of a new addition (aside from maybe the Yak-3 but I can wait lol). I believe that the Tupolev 2 (Tu-2) and/or the Petlyakov 2 (Pe-2 was considered a dive-bomber) would be welcome additions seeing that aside from the IL-2 there are no other Russian Bomber's/Dive-Bomber's. Here are the Spec's for each of them:

Pe-2 General characteristics:

General characteristics (In total, around 11,400 Pe-2s were built)

Crew: Three - pilot, gunner, bombardier
Length: 12.66 m (41 ft 6 in)
Wingspan: 17.16 m (56 ft 3 in)
Height: 3.5 m (11 ft 6 in)
Wing area: 40.5 m² (436 ft²)
Empty weight: 5,875 kg (12,952 lb)
Loaded weight: 7,563 kg (16,639 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 8,495 kg (18,728 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Klimov M-105PF liquid-cooled V-12, 903 kW (1,210 hp) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 580 km/h (360 mph)
Range: 1,160 km (721 miles)
Service ceiling: 8,800 m (28,870 ft)
Rate of climb: 7.2 m/s (1,410 ft/min)
Wing loading: 186 kg/m² (38 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 250 W/kg (0.15 hp/lb)

Armament
Guns: **2 × 7.62 mm (0.3 in) fixed ShKAS machine guns in the nose, one replaced by a 12.7 mm (0.5 in) Berezin UB on later versions.
2 × rearward firing 7.62 mm (0.3 in) ShKAS.
From the middle of 1942 defensive armament included 1 Berezin UB machine gun in the upper bombardier's turret, 1 Berezin UB in gunner's ventral hatch and 1 ShKAS which could be fired by a gunner from port, starboard or upper mountings[13]
Some planes were also equipped with DAG-10 launcher, firing AG-2 parachute timed grenades.
Bombs: 1,600 kg (3,520 lb) of bombs
Notes: Designed by Victor Petlyakov during his incarceration at a sharaga, the Pe-2 developed a reputation as an accurate bomber that was capable of escaping German fighters. The Pe-2 played a key role in providing tactical bombing and ground support to the Red Army.


Tu-2 General characteristics (In total, around 2,257 Pe-2s were built)

Crew: 4
Length: 13.80 m (45 ft 3 in)
Wingspan: 18.86 m (61 ft 10 in)
Height: 4.13 m (13 ft 7 in)
Loaded weight: 10,538 kg (23,232 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 11,768 kg (25,944 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Shvetsov ASh-82 radial engine, 1,380 kW (1,850 hp) each

Performance

Maximum speed: 521 km/h (281 kn, 325 mph)
Range: 2,020 km (1,090 nmi, 1,260 mi)
Service ceiling: 9,000 m (29,528 ft)
Rate of climb: 8.2 m/s (1,610 ft/min)
Wing loading: 217 kg/m² (45 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 260 W/kg (0.16 hp/lb)

Armament
2 × 20 mm (0.79 in) fixed forward-firing ShVAK cannon in the wings
3 × 7.62 mm (0.30 in) rear-firing ShKAS machine guns (later replaced by 12.7 mm (0.50 in) Berezin UB machine guns) in the canopy, dorsal and ventral hatches.
Bombs: 1,500 kg (3,300 lb) internally and 2,270 kg (5,000 lb) externally

About tu-2

Built from 1944 to 1948, the Tupolev, Tu-2 was one of the best performing, lite-weight WW-II twin engine bombers. About the same size as the North American B-25, this was the USSR's second most important twin-engine bomber (the first being the Pe-2). The design brought Andrei Tupolev back into favour after a period of detention. It was highly effective, being faster and more nimble, as well as having a greater bomb load and range, than virtually all medium bombers in service during the war with any army.

Please, if I missed something feel free to correct it. I just wanted to see more or less if anyone else thinks that 1 of these aircraft should be added.

[bongboy1]

Post some pictures u tard

[Volron]

I don't care...  If it's a bomber, it gets an instant +1 from me.

+1 on BOTH.

[Wmaker]

Tu-2 was one of the best performing, lite-weight WW-II twin engine bombers. About the same size as the North American B-25, this was the USSR's second most important twin-engine bomber (the first being the Pe-2).

TU-2 isn't even close in being the Soviet Union's second most important bomber. That was the DB-3/Il-4 series.

[Scotty55OEFVet]

First, to bongboy1, I have so much trouble posting pics in here and I cannot figure out why. To Wmaker, I just copied and pasted what I was able to find that described a little about the 2. I have no doubt that you are correct about it not being one of the Soviets most successful bombers. I just wanted to see what everyone thought about just adding a Soviet bomber/dive-bomber. Just think the Soviets deserve another plane to the set and a bomber would fit in nicely.

[SmokinLoon]

The Tu-2 or IL-4 both would be good to have, I don't care which one comes first.

The Pe-2 I think should be left on the back burned for quite some time.  Yes, it was an important Soviet bomber, but it would be very similar to having a B25 with no gun package and no bomb sight.  There are multiple aircraft in AH that are a good stand in.  The IL-4 or Tu-2 are their own monsters.   

[Wmaker]

I have no doubt that you are correct about it not being one of the Soviets most successful bombers.

It was no doubt a successful bomber, it just came in rather late in the war and small numbers compared to Il-4 and Pe-2.

[SlipKnt]

 

[Scotty55OEFVet]

It was no doubt a successful bomber, it just came in rather late in the war and small numbers compared to Il-4 and Pe-2.

See, I kinda figured that just by the low number that were produced considering the Soviet War Indusrty turned out tens of thousands, even hundred's of thousands of tanks, planes, SP's, etc.

[Eric19]

+1 to Soviet Bombers 

[Condor11]

It flies
I want

[Badger85]

I'm a big fan of adding the Petlyakov Pe-2 "Peshka" to Aces High. I think dive bombing is extremely fun, but the only dedicated dive bomber that the Allies have is the SBD Dauntless. Unfortunately, while I do enjoy flying it, the Dauntless is too underpowered for the Late War arena and has a relatively modest bomb-load (i.e. takes a long time to get to target for a slim payoff). The Pe-2 is 40% faster than the Dauntless and carries 55% more weight in bombs. +1 from me!

As requested above, here are some photos of Pe-2s that I scavenged from the internet:

A classic photo of the Peshkas:


Pe-2 and its airmen:


Pe-2 in an outdoor museum:


Illustration of a Pe-2:


Another illustration, in weathered camouflage:


A painting of Pe-2s in action:


A Pe-2 cockpit from another flight simulator:


Pe-2 in a diving attack in another flight simulator:


Note: My grandfather was a shturman (navigator) in Pe-2s of the Soviet Navy during WWII, but that doesn't make me biased at all 

[Scotty55OEFVet]

"I think dive bombing is extremely fun, but the only dedicated dive bomber that the Allies have is the SBD Dauntless."

Thanks for backing the addition of the Pe-2 to AH, but I think you are very wrong about the SBD being the only dedicated dive-bomber the Allies have. Although first used as a Fighter Escort, the P47 is in my honest opinion one of the best, if not the best dive-bombers in the game. I say this only because it is my #1 choice for ground-attack missions. There are also the P51's, Mossies, A20, Typhoon, and I can add another bunch if I wanted to. I recommend using some of these aircraft in the "Jabo" roll and then making your comparison. Either way, thank u for adding the pics. For some reason I cannot figure out how to add pics to any of my posts.

                                                 RedDevil

[Babalonian]

Yes, bring on a real Russian bomber/transport, like the Il-4, DB-3 and the TB-3!

[Badger85]

RedDevil:

I definitely agree with you that there are other great Allied aircraft to use for dive-bombing besides the Dauntless. But none of them (to my knowledge) were specifically designed for those roles. The P-47, for instance, was a fighter that just happened to be equally adept at attacking ground targets. But the Stuka, Dauntless, Val, and Pe-2 were primarily designed to be dive bombers. That’s what I meant by "dedicated" dive bombers. There’s something about dropping those diving brakes before a steep attack that really completes the experience for me

On the other hand, the Pe-2 would be a great Soviet plane to fly in support of a tank battle because with two rearward-facing guns (one firing above and one firing below the fuselage) it can defend itself against fighters better than the IL-2.