these two are a joke, It is becoming standard practice for the Bish war winners. They will use excuses like "Both teams are ganging us" or "you guys are cheaters!" to explain away why they do these dweeby things. All that matters to them is getting the base and they do not care one iota about their enemies gameplay experience.
It must be pretty bad when Bish old timers like Max, OBX and 1oldcoot start flying on the other teams because of it.