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Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Citabria on July 13, 2004, 07:14:28 AM
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This is from a close associate who was part of the Voss scam called 'TAS' .. and aye, Maverick .. he probably took the name of the squadron, but the scam was not done by the squad ...it was perpetrated by Voss.

> How much money did he get from who?

Before I answer your question, I'll put my cards face up on the table, just so you know where I'm coming from.
Back when Paul "Voss" Hinds began his Scam I had already been playing AW for several years. Voss was a member of an Air Warrior Squadron called the 13th TAS, a Squad that has since had links with other online flight sim's and is also currently running in Aces High.
I only mention that because TAS was the name of the new online game at the centre of the scam, and it is important to point out that they were in no way connected with it, as far as I know the other members of the Squad are all honourable men.

Also, I've never written any of this down before, so by way of disclaimer, I will say that I'm working entirely from memory, but this is in any case how I remember those events as they occurred.

I was one of the beta testers for TAS and although I was one of the lucky ones, the scam cost me money, and wasted a great deal of my time. Also, let's not forget that at the time this was the biggest, longest and most outrageous scam ever to hit the flight sim' community! Now you know where I'm coming from, I'll answer your question.

The person who lost the most was the main investor, Michael "Amok" Hobuss, who I believe was one of Voss's AW Squad mates. From my perspective as one of the beta testers, the deal appeared to be that Voss did all the programming and design while Amok covered the expenses and development
costs, including having a new powerful development machine delivered to Voss, setting up and maintaining the beta team, bulletin board, and all advertising and promotional costs.

Now before we go any farther, let's just look at that set-up. Voss had built credibility by claiming to have two doctorates, and vast relevant experience, he was not just exaggerating, he was deliberately giving false information to a squad mate, in order to
encourage him into parting with money and equipment for services he knew that he could not deliver.

He was never in the CIA, was never an F-16 pilot and he did not shoot down two enemy aircraft has he claimed, he did not own
a P-51, and has probably never even flown one, and he did not have two PhDs.
He fabricated that entire web of lies with the obvious motivation of securing investment for his own personal gain.

This scam lasted a long time, and was fed with screen shots that looked magnificent, but which were in fact only artwork, and the delays were blamed on all manner of incredible circumstances, a scorpion bite, brain tumour, even some mention of special missions with the CIA.

During that time a large number of people were involved on the beta site, and I was one of them. I've heard that some of the beta testers were also asked for front money, but I can't recall being asked, but I do remember that I didn't send money. So I can't confirm that.

The scam dragged on so long that someone eventually checked into his background, and his military service was the first thing to come under scrutiny.
When it transpired that he had not been an F-16 pilot in the
USAF, he invented the CIA story to explain why his name didn't appear in military records, but the wall was beginning to crumble.

As more of his lies were exposed, Michael Hobuss became suspicious, but no doubt found it very hard to believe that a squad mate would lie and steal from him, so at that point he was actually covering for him.

Then things began to move quickly, because his stories were stretching credibility to the limit. I know how long you need to remain in education to get a PhD, not to mention two! Computer skills that exceeded those of the best programmers of the day, USAF training, a flying career, converting to F-16s, recruitment by the CIA, a privately owned P-51, and this man appeared to have achieved more than most could manage in two life times.

Everyone was suspicious and people were asking awkward questions. Michael Hobuss was also getting nervous and began asking awkward questions too, and that's when Voss disappeared. The Scorpion bite! It was reported that Folk
even visited Voss in hospital, so perhaps that part was true, but it just went down hill from there.

Time dragged on, and after more revelations, and no further evidence that the game even existed, Voss was supposed to have a brain tumour resulting in the end of the game's development, but then Michael Hobuss blew the whistle!
He admitted he had been conned, and lost his hardware, the
expenses and development costs, and that there never was any game. Any beta testers who had fronted money to the project had lost it. I had spent a lot of time logging onto the beta test site and incurred telephone costs and wasted many hours of my own time, but I was one of the lucky ones!

How much did Michael Hobuss eventually lose, I can't say, but I'd guess the figure must have been at least several thousand, and to be fair I heard that he was able to recover some of it. I'm not even sure how much I lost, I certainly wasn't bothered about it because it would have only been a fraction of what I was spending on AW at that time  

This was a classic con! He fooled an investor, into parting with money and goods, by pretending to be something he wasn't.
The scam involved a large number of people, and left the community shaken, not because they had been taken in by a conman, but because they had been taken by one of their own,
some one many believed to be a squad mate and a friend.
For many it wasn't so much the money as the betrayal, that hurt that most.

Now I guess that all this could be forgotten if Voss had gone away, but he is still here, and he is attempting to rebuild his stock in the community.
Only recently he put out a call to the Aces High community to become involved in another project, that appeared to have all the hallmarks of another scam.
I was amazed when I saw it, and I thought to myself, "Here we
go again". Make no mistake, given the opportunity I believe he would do it again, it even looks very much as though he has actually tried already.
But fortunately, nobody took the bait. They never took the bait thanks to the efforts of those who remember, nobody has been allowed to forget.
The community has successfully protected itself by not allowing others to be taken in. That in my humble opinion is the morally correct, right and proper, thing to do.

When I see folk rehash the Voss stuff (as you call it) I'm always pleased to see it, because everytime it comes out I think that perhaps another few individuals have been made wise to him.
It also saddens me to see others defend him, because they are only helping him build a platform from which to strike again.

I haven't been able to give you exact figures, but does that answer your question?

Badz

-brought to you by Frank P. 'Gray Eagle' Williamson
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Xargos on July 13, 2004, 07:16:34 AM
Fester, your computer must not be fixed yet.  Because you put alot of work in that.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Citabria on July 13, 2004, 07:19:16 AM
nah thats 15 minutes basic graphic design layout.. not a very good one i might add.  but fascinating story. the book cover is just to draw you in.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Xargos on July 13, 2004, 07:33:22 AM
You trip me out Fester, would like to see you drunk one time to see how you realy act.  Last time a dude past out at one of my parties we pulled his pants down and poured Mayo on his prettythang.  Needless to say he was very upset when he awoke.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: SirLoin on July 13, 2004, 07:37:49 AM
Nice one Cit!..Or is that Fester?(Ooops I wasn't supposed to reveal that!)..Remember that one?...:rolleyes:

Or the "I Quit AH" thread?
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: flyingaround on July 13, 2004, 07:43:06 AM
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Originally posted by Xargos
You trip me out Fester, would like to see you drunk one time to see how you realy act.  Last time a dude past out at one of my parties we pulled his pants down and poured Mayo on his prettythang.  Needless to say he was very upset when he awoke.


Uhhhhh..... I THINK he just hit on ya' Fester
ewwwwwwwww.  mayo luv'
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: eskimo2 on July 13, 2004, 07:43:59 AM
This whole thing still yucks me up.  I do feel bad for those who were fooled and cheated, but what an amazing story.  I’m actually kind of glad that Voss is part of the flight sim community; just think of how interesting he has made things!

eskimo
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Xargos on July 13, 2004, 07:48:00 AM
I don't swing that way.  I just don't like having 20 guys sleeping on my floor(the girls it's alright for them to).  We warn people not to pass out.  But after we do the Mayo thing they don't ever come back to our parties.
Title: Re: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Icer on July 13, 2004, 08:55:30 AM
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Originally posted by Citabria
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Back when Paul "Voss" Hinds began his Scam I had already been playing AW for several years. Voss was a member of an Air Warrior Squadron called the 13th TAS, a Squad that has since had links with other online flight sim's and is also currently running in Aces High.


Just wanted to add that "Voss" or "Metatron" or whatever he calls himself now has NOTHING to do and NO RELATIONS WITH the 13th TAS in AH 2... we are comprised of a myriad of old-timers and new players now, all focused on simply enjoying the game..

Rant mode off...
:)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 08:59:31 AM
Lol Fester, where do you get these pics! You're killing me over here! Too funny. Anyways, for the sake of the community, I think it's necessary to keep players informed about the kind of scum Metapotato/Voss is. In case he tries to set up another scam it would be prudent for all of us to be aware, especially those new to the game who may be unfamiliar with his maliciously evil and deceitfull past.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: ghostdancer on July 13, 2004, 09:03:41 AM
Icer we know that Voss/Metatron has nothing to do with you guys now and that when these things came to light you guys took an appropriate course with him and removed him from your squad.

I think most of us in AH have quite a bit of respect for 13th TAS even though we all want to hunt you down like the dogs you are and turn you into flame piles of rubble dotting the country side in the MA and in special events. ;)

Don't worry about him reflecting on you guys.
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 13, 2004, 09:07:40 AM
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Originally posted by Xargos
I don't swing that way.  I just don't like having 20 guys sleeping on my floor(the girls it's alright for them to).  We warn people not to pass out.  But after we do the Mayo thing they don't ever come back to our parties.


Yeah yeah, sure sure.  Denial isn't a river in Egypt, pal. :)

What did you use to spread the Mayo with? huh!? ;)
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 09:10:30 AM
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Originally posted by ghostdancer


Don't worry about him reflecting on you guys.


Yea, not to worry Icer, Metapotato/Voss is now reflecting badly on the Hornets, you guys are off the hook ;)

Zazen
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Post by: ghostdancer on July 13, 2004, 09:13:34 AM
They just have to worry about me reflecting on them .. before being with the Nightmares (1996) I was with 13th TAS way, way, way, way back when in AW just before they left to go to Warbirds (think that was 1994, back with Pain Squad before that in 1992). ;)

God of I have been flight simming for a long time. My wife might be right .. I am a geek. :)
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Post by: SirLoin on July 13, 2004, 09:14:35 AM
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Yea, not to worry Icer, Metapotato/Voss is now reflecting badly on the Hornets, you guys are off the hook ;)

Zazen


MetaTron is in good standing with the Hornets..as are the rest of our squaddies...

If you can't beat us in the MA try the BBS eh ZazenChicken?:rolleyes:
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 13, 2004, 09:14:35 AM
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Yea, not to worry Icer, Metapotato/Voss is now reflecting badly on the Hornets, you guys are off the hook ;)

Zazen


Oh, you mean the best squardron in AH? yeah, we're ashamed! LOL! ;)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Edbert on July 13, 2004, 09:20:11 AM
I remember the TAS scam, I was a beta tester as well, of course I was far enough down the list that I never sent any money. I do recall the screenshots as being far better than anything we'd seen on screens, this was the day of the DX50/66 processoras I recall, those screenies were so beautifull that I was skeptical. I had no idea the TAS scam and Voss were related. Regarding Voss I only knew about the CIA and P51 ownership thing.

LOL what a sad story and an even sadder little man. At this point I am wondering how you guys know that Voss is Michael Hobuss, and that metatron is Voss. If that is verified why is he allowed to fly with the Hornets? I know more than a few of them and they are all stand-up guys. I don't think they'd want Voss in their squad if it were true.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Ripsnort on July 13, 2004, 09:23:59 AM
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
I remember the TAS scam, I was a beta tester as well, of course I was far enough down the list that I never sent any money. I do recall the screenshots as being far better than anything we'd seen on screens, this was the day of the DX50/66 processoras I recall, those screenies were so beautifull that I was skeptical. I had no idea the TAS scam and Voss were related. Regarding Voss I only knew about the CIA and P51 ownership thing.

LOL what a sad story and an even sadder little man. At this point I am wondering how you guys know that Voss is Michael Hobuss, and that metatron is Voss. If that is verified why is he allowed to fly with the Hornets? I know more than a few of them and they are all stand-up guys. I don't think they'd want Voss in their squad if it were true.


I too was on the "Beta tester" list. But never got my hopes up high for a project that I didn't donate money to.  As far as Metatron goes, its just another name flying on a computer screen that bails his squaddies out of trouble when he's needed. (Shrugs)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: ghostdancer on July 13, 2004, 09:25:55 AM
Ripsnort in the case of Voss reflecting on anybody (13th TAS or Hornets), at the very least I think I and Icer, are not talking about performance, stats, fighting capability or anything else of that nature. We are talking about having somebody who scammed people out of money and abused their trust and every now and surfaces and tries to deny any culpability about the event/situation reflecting on other people.

That is why Icer posted that 13th TAS has nothing to do with Voss. Or why I believe Icer posted that .. not a reflection on the person's flight sim capabilities but to point out that they don't want to be and are not associated with Voss because of his character.

Hornets are tough squad and always a challenge when we run into them in the MA from a game perspective (in my opinion).
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Citabria on July 13, 2004, 09:28:48 AM
metatron voss and paul hinds are all the same person
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 13, 2004, 09:29:22 AM
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Originally posted by ghostdancer
Ripsnort in the case of Voss reflecting on anybody (13th TAS or Hornets), at the very least I think I and Icer, are not talking about performance, stats, fighting capability or anything else of that nature. We are talking about having somebody who scammed people out of money and abused their trust and every now and surfaces and tries to deny any culpability about the event/situation reflecting on other people.

That is why Icer posted that 13th TAS has nothing to do with Voss. Or why I believe Icer posted that .. not a reflection on the person's flight sim capabilities but to point out that they don't want to be and are not associated with Voss because of his character.

Hornets are tough squad and always a challenge when we run into them in the MA from a game perspective (in my opinion).


Hmm, well...a squadron on a game is not like a squadron in the real airforce, marines, army or navy.  Its a freaking game! Reflection on ones squadron? In a game? WHO FARKING CARES! LOL! (Well, obviously "somebody" cares...thats a good case study in psychology!)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: SirLoin on July 13, 2004, 09:38:45 AM
I say we start a Fester thread...lol
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Post by: ghostdancer on July 13, 2004, 09:39:31 AM
Ripsnort humans are social creatures and make assumptions based on others about the company they keep. Also some of us don't forgive people when they cross a certain line of behavior that harms other people.

Your right its a freaking game. But in the case of Voss he purposedly fabricated the truth and bilked people out of money, etc., etc. (whole TAS situation).

So yes, its a game but at the same time its human behavior to show disapproval of one's actions that harm others by not associating with them. Which is why 13th TAS originally removed him from their squad and point out they have no involvement with him or the whole TAS scam.

Your right its a game .. but say you found out that one of your squad mates in real life was a person you highly disapproved of (Bill Clinton ;) ) or say one of the executives from Enron, or a pedafile, or whatever. Yes, some people would say so what while others naturally would say I can't fly in a squad with that person or want people to think or make assumptions about me because he is my squaddie.

This is the probable reason why 13th TAS (Icer) posts these clarifications.

As for others .. they are pointing what Voss did in the past and believe they are warning others to watch out for what he is capable of. Basically they are in the category of "neither forgive or forget," rightly or wrongly .. depends on your point of view.
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Post by: Sikboy on July 13, 2004, 09:40:16 AM
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
At this point I am wondering how you guys know that Voss is Michael Hobuss, and that metatron is Voss.


Michael Hobuss was the mark who was scammed. Voss is Paul Hinds.

The Voss=Metatron thing was pretty funny data analysis taken from the score page. There's a thread on it somewhere.

-Sik
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: gofaster on July 13, 2004, 09:42:56 AM
Its no mystery that Paul Hinds was Voss.  

CombatSim.com was giving extensive "interviews" with the "developer" of the wonderful new flight sim and listed his name prominently.  I remember when CombatSim later printed a retraction and full expose' of the scam and how they were taken just like the beta testers and financial backers.  

Now, Hinds later assumed another handle - MajPreddy - after his Voss handle was exposed in Aces High.  MajPreddy lasted a few months until Hinds was exposed again, and MajPreddy disappeared right about the same time that MetaTron appeared on the scene with a similar playing style of spawn camping in Tigers and score-whoring in Mustangs and field guns.  So, there appears to be a linkage of Voss->MajPreddy->MetaTron.

In any event, if you want to invest in a company, ask for a prospectus and do a background check on the officers before you lay out the dinero.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: midnight Target on July 13, 2004, 09:43:26 AM
Interesting side your coming down on there Rip.

Seems to be at odds with your on line persona.

(edit - wasn't there another Voss? ASASIN?)
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Post by: Yeager on July 13, 2004, 09:44:52 AM
voss is megatron now?

I'll tell you though, when I was playing this game, a member of the 13thTAS in AH (back when voss was voss and a member of the 13th), he was a good guy to play the game with.  Kinda funny, when some one would saddle up on him voss would give us a blow by blow account as he got schooled "ahh...he's on my tail....ahh....he's....shooting....at.......me!  help guys, jeeze.  He's hitting me....ahh...there goes my rudder....ahh........uh, he got my radiator....ahh"  Then voss would explode and pout off for awhile.

Was a good time in the game back then.

Ive always said if all this stuff was true then the folks that got ripped shoulf have taken the guy to court or at least split his kneecaps.  Ive never put too much stock in all of it.

Next voss is a con artist story is due in approximately six months.
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Post by: Edbert on July 13, 2004, 09:46:18 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Reflection on ones squadron? In a game? WHO FARKING CARES! LOL! (Well, obviously "somebody" cares...thats a good case study in psychology!)

Maybe I'm in the minority with this thought, but a man is often judged (rightly so) by the company he keeps. My grandpa always told me that one of the most important things in life is choosing your friends wisely. It is my beleif that a virtual squadron IN A GAME is nothing more than the sum of it's parts. If one of those parts is rotten then it reflects negatively on the whole group. If any member of the MOL was found to be guilty of cheating, or vulching a shade account, or being Voss he would be booted just like Shane was when he began embarrasing the squad with his mouth (typing) on channel 1.

Citabria, how do you KNOW that metaron=voss=paul? I seriously want to know, because those are pretty serious allegations and should not be taken lightly.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: ghostdancer on July 13, 2004, 09:46:53 AM
Uh, Yeager .. I say 6 months and 1 day. ;)

Any other bets?
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Post by: DoctorYO on July 13, 2004, 09:56:26 AM
I thought Voss was secretly pulling the strings of the 13th TAS from his CIA mobile headquarters with VP Dick Cheney at an undisclosed location...

Must have had bad intel.....


Does he still pilot the latest in military hardware... ?

Is he still a member of "Skull and Bones.."?


Does he still have radioactive scorpion senses..?


Stay tuned, "same Voss hour...  Same Voss Channel.."

Kaaaapooooooooooooowiiiiiiiii ii!!!!!!!

Blaaaaaaaaaaaam!!!!

Vosssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssss!




2 Dinar,


DoctorYO
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 13, 2004, 10:24:24 AM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Interesting side your coming down on there Rip.

Seems to be at odds with your on line persona.

(edit - wasn't there another Voss? ASASIN?)


I'm not really taking sides on the issue.  I just find it appalling that people judge an entire squadrons reputation for having one bad egg in the squad.  Seriously, if you judge an entire squad by the past actions of one pilot, you're hurting more.

One other thing I'd like to mention, those who were duped by a used car salesman usually are very angry to begin with.  The term "Sucker" comes to mind.
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 13, 2004, 10:26:41 AM
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
Maybe I'm in the minority with this thought, but a man is often judged (rightly so) by the company he keeps. My grandpa always told me that one of the most important things in life is choosing your friends wisely. It is my beleif that a virtual squadron IN A GAME is nothing more than the sum of it's parts. If one of those parts is rotten then it reflects negatively on the whole group. If any member of the MOL was found to be guilty of cheating, or vulching a shade account, or being Voss he would be booted just like Shane was when he began embarrasing the squad with his mouth (typing) on channel 1.

Citabria, how do you KNOW that metaron=voss=paul? I seriously want to know, because those are pretty serious allegations and should not be taken lightly.


So Cavalear, Swoop, and a few other VMF-323 squaddies joined the Hornets because of about 30 other guys *we* enjoy flying with...you're saying that because Voss is on the squad that *our* reputation in your eyes is now discolored?  You're hurting Edbert.
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Post by: ghostdancer on July 13, 2004, 10:32:13 AM
Not judging a whole squad by one person. But just saying there will be a definite cooling of relatonships usually toward a group when an individual is percieved to really step over the line and take advantage of others.

Basically the same thing holds true on an even larger scale. Look at what people who despise Bush think or paint all Republicans. And look at people who despise Clinton / Kerry think or paint all democrats.

So yes, its sad / appalling but it is also normal something everyone indulges in to an extent somewhere in there life. So its not suprising that for some you have the same thing here of developing a cool attitude toward a group because of one person who they believe really, really overstep the bounds and harmed other people or took advantage of other people. Does it say anything about the others in the groups except they tolerate the one that people have hard feelings for .. that is debatable and to some extent pointless. Except that is they way we behave in our society. Some people believe that by associating with a person that it can be percieved as sanctioning their conduct.

In this case it not a matter of being obnoxious or just not liking somebody but in the case of Voss of being more than just that. Its the perception that the person is untrust worthy and since they have ripped people off are capable of doing it again or trying to do it again to others.

And yes, when people get ripped off and are angry or percieve others have been severely injured or taken advantage in some way they do tend to hold a grudge. Heck early testament was an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and still a lot of people hold to that philosophy.
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Post by: gofaster on July 13, 2004, 10:38:12 AM
I don't like the 13th TAS anyway; the bunch of P-51D base-porking dweebs! :p
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Post by: lazs2 on July 13, 2004, 10:38:49 AM
The BK's are pretty loose but we sure as hell wouldn't have voss/metavoss in our squad.  

We have turned down people in the past... basicly... if someone in the squad doesn't like em.... they don't get in.

I most dislike meta voss because he is so unrepentant.   Someone that unrepentant  is simply waiting for things to die down for his next scam.   With him, I think it is important to bring this up every 6 months or so.

This was really over the top stuff and the person who was the subject of it is still around and not admitting any wrongdoing.

lazs
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Post by: SirLoin on July 13, 2004, 10:39:37 AM
I think you should take a step back GD..Our squad is just fine thnx.
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Post by: gofaster on July 13, 2004, 10:41:00 AM
Don't worry, Rip.  Their inability to understand is also a result of their different belief system, and the influence of Satan's subtle powers on them.
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Post by: Overlag on July 13, 2004, 10:47:04 AM
sigh... really taking this ott arnt we

as if fester has NEVER done anything wrong....
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Post by: Pongo on July 13, 2004, 10:49:59 AM
You left out the part where he said that AH was developed in part with copyrighted material from TAS. He said that right on this board.
And you left out the whole part about Iron Man...Voss's wingman from the gulf.

If anyone has never read this stuff..the original source posts (which were linked here at one point) are fascinating.
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Post by: ghostdancer on July 13, 2004, 10:52:33 AM
Sirloin .. what do you mean take a step back?

None of my posts in this thread said anything about what I believe about your squad but was explaining why some other people might be reacting negatively because of one person.

Say you have Kenneth Lay in the Nightmares for example and people found about that. Some won't care others would since they saw how he and Enron did (or was percieved to do) to the residents of California and how most of the employees (mid-level and lower) destroyed the savings invested through several Enron plans.

Now you would have some who say .. I could care less who Kenneth Lay is in real life. You would have others who do care and see by associating with him as some sort of sanction since in their experience being part of a squad is a very social experience (like being part of a fraternity or other tightly knit organization) where it can at time transend just playing and be percieved as friendship. Not all pilots share this view .. many are lone wolfs or in large squads you have many smaller clicks. But basically you would go through a stage where the squad decides what they would do or not do .. in the case of 13th TAS they removed him. Others here stated they would do the same. Doesn't mean its right or wrong .. just what they would do in that situation.

Then you would have others in the larger community form opinions and decide whether they care, whether they would not be as friendly (cooling of attitudes), or go eye for eye tooth for tooth.

But as I said there are those like Edbert and Laz that see association as sanctioning. Which explains the cool of attitudes they have. Others more intimately involved in the matters are still of an eye for eye attitude.

Many others can care less .. but none of this should be suprising since the catalyst is supposedly a person that went beyond obnoxious and in the eyes of several really crossed the line.

As to my own beliefs .. haven't really stated them here. But just started by telling Icer not to worry nobody really associates Voss with 13th TAS of AW/WB/AH days anymore.

After that just having a discussion of why people and think and behave they do.

I don't think I crossed the line and have not posted that you should take any particular action. I even stated that I find the 418th to be good challenge when run into .. and I think Ripsnort and Cav probably will state that they know I respect them.
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Post by: lazs2 on July 13, 2004, 10:55:48 AM
yep... the whole saga is just so over the top unbelievable that you can't help but despise the man in his total dishonesty...

since he is not the least repentant then I would say that a sqaud that embraces and defends him is pretty strange and comprised of pretty strange folk.

I have talked to 13th guys and when they found out about voss they were disgusted and repeled.   A normal reaction... none of them would knowingly have anything to do with an unrepentant voss in my opinion from talking to them.

lazs
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 13, 2004, 10:59:41 AM
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Originally posted by lazs2
since he is not the least repentant then I would say that a sqaud that embraces and defends him is pretty strange and comprised of pretty strange folk.

lazs


Way to generalize, there Lazs! :rofl :aok
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Post by: Edbert on July 13, 2004, 11:03:03 AM
I said above that I know many of the Hornets, I've flown with and against many of them, met some of them at cons, and have ALWAYS had a high opinion of them as players. It is for that reason alone that I am suprised to see such a snake-of-a-man as Voss in their midst. He does not make them bad people, just casts a shadow is all. Everyone here has the right to join a squad with whomever will take them. Every squad has the right to accpet Voss into their midst. Some choose the high ground, some don't care (and thats FINE with me too, really).  But for me and mine, we excise any cancers we find in our midst.
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Post by: lazs2 on July 13, 2004, 11:11:13 AM
agree with edbert..

saying that.. I also feel that any hornets that don't know the whole voss metavoss saga are not responsible.   Any that know who the guy was and STILL is and choose to associate with him...

well... What are we suppossed to think?

lazs
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Post by: SirLoin on July 13, 2004, 11:18:08 AM
In response to Edbert...We let MetaTron join our squad(Didn't know he was Voss)..He has been a fine squaddie and fun to fly with.

I am outta this flame thread.
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Post by: lazs2 on July 13, 2004, 11:41:46 AM
well..... now you know.   Ball is in your court I would say.

lazs
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 13, 2004, 11:42:35 AM
Voss and Metatron are one and the same?

Things are starting to make sense.

On day, several months ago, I watched and momentarily participated in a channel 1 conversation in MA where Metatron claimed to be raking in $17million/year from his Architectural digital/virtual tour business. Apparently, his was but a small share of a $3 billion/year industry.

Apparently, voss/metatron is even more multi-faceted than anyone imagined, and, as he was still in MA when I returned 6 hours later , quite unparalleled in his time management skills.

Does anyone else recall this chapter of the Saga?
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 11:42:54 AM
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Originally posted by ghostdancer
Ripsnort humans are social creatures and make assumptions based on others about the company they keep. Also some of us don't forgive people when they cross a certain line of behavior that harms other people.

Your right its a freaking game. But in the case of Voss he purposedly fabricated the truth and bilked people out of money, etc., etc. (whole TAS situation).

So yes, its a game but at the same time its human behavior to show disapproval of one's actions that harm others by not associating with them. Which is why 13th TAS originally removed him from their squad and point out they have no involvement with him or the whole TAS scam.

Your right its a game .. but say you found out that one of your squad mates in real life was a person you highly disapproved of (Bill Clinton ;) ) or say one of the executives from Enron, or a pedafile, or whatever. Yes, some people would say so what while others naturally would say I can't fly in a squad with that person or want people to think or make assumptions about me because he is my squaddie.

This is the probable reason why 13th TAS (Icer) posts these clarifications.

As for others .. they are pointing what Voss did in the past and believe they are warning others to watch out for what he is capable of. Basically they are in the category of "neither forgive or forget," rightly or wrongly .. depends on your point of view.


This hits the nail on the head. While this is 'just a game' and he is 'just a name'. We are all also real people sitting at home with wife, children, mortgages, jobs etc. We extrapolate our 'real life' values into the realm of our recreational pursuits, everyone does. AH is like a club, a WW2 Combat Flight Sim club. Most do not want known criminals in their clubs be it a virtual club or a real life 'face to face' club. Like it or not, the fact that the Hornets harbor a person who has successfully defrauded this very community out of money through deliberate deceit and malicious intent, is going to reflect very poorly on you as a whole regardless of the integrity of your other members.

This isn't about in game stats,or wether the Hornets are a skillfull squad or not. This is about protecting the community and our little club from those who would do us ill.

Zazen
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 11:45:21 AM
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Originally posted by Pongo
You left out the part where he said that AH was developed in part with copyrighted material from TAS. He said that right on this board.
And you left out the whole part about Iron Man...Voss's wingman from the gulf.

If anyone has never read this stuff..the original source posts (which were linked here at one point) are fascinating.


Yea, I remember reading that, I was left bewildered. Didn't HiTech ban Voss/Metapotato for life over this stuff? Why is he still allowed to be here? I know HTC is in litigation with his old Warbirds people over AH copyrights, I don't see him taking to kindly to Voss/Metapotatos claim to the copyright of Aces High.
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Post by: Edbert on July 13, 2004, 11:48:15 AM
Somebody fill me in here. I think it is pertinent to this thread, and for the sake of the Hornets (and everyone's opinion of them).

How do we KNOW that Voss=Metatron?

Because if it is not proven we could be slandering a player unjustly. If it is proven, then as Lazs said...the ball is in the Hornet's court.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 11:49:04 AM
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Originally posted by lazs2
yep... the whole saga is just so over the top unbelievable that you can't help but despise the man in his total dishonesty...

since he is not the least repentant then I would say that a sqaud that embraces and defends him is pretty strange and comprised of pretty strange folk.

I have talked to 13th guys and when they found out about voss they were disgusted and repeled.   A normal reaction... none of them would knowingly have anything to do with an unrepentant voss in my opinion from talking to them.

lazs


This is exactly what I am saying Lazs, any squadron in our community with any kind of self-respect or sense of moral integrity would not allow themselves to be associated with this sort of individual. It is because of this that I question the true motives of those with decision making power in the Hornets. What are they gaining by sanctioning such a person?...But, I think we all know that answer....
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 13, 2004, 11:54:04 AM
The only thing evident here is that Citabria needs to prove that Metatron is Voss.  And..That Metatron must have shot down Cita, or hid his CV, or captured a base he wanted real bad.  Cita gets revenge in his own sick ways.
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Post by: TheDudeDVant on July 13, 2004, 11:59:23 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
The only thing evident here is that Citabria needs to prove that Metatron is Voss.  And..That Metatron must have shot down Cita, or hid his CV, or captured a base he wanted real bad.  Cita gets revenge in his own sick ways.


You have proof of that claim Rip?? I dont think revenge is the motivation behind this post..

Cit did not write that.. He merely posted it.. 8)
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 12:07:49 PM
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
Somebody fill me in here. I think it is pertinent to this thread, and for the sake of the Hornets (and everyone's opinion of them).

How do we KNOW that Voss=Metatron?

Because if it is not proven we could be slandering a player unjustly. If it is proven, then as Lazs said...the ball is in the Hornet's court.


1) he has openly admitted it many times on this BBS and in-game either directly or by inuendo.

2) compare the structure/grammar/vocabulary/syntax/style of the Voss posts to the Metatron posts, they are exactly identical.

3) he makes reference to these events from the vantage of the perpetrator without remorse and even with some thinly veiled pride. Which I personally find abhorrent and disgusting.
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 13, 2004, 12:11:00 PM
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
You have proof of that claim Rip?? I dont think revenge is the motivation behind this post..

Cit did not write that.. He merely posted it.. 8)


Just going by status-quo.;)  obviously you haven't been in AH as long as I have, and do not know Fester as well as some of the vets here do ;)
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Post by: Curval on July 13, 2004, 12:13:01 PM
I was not a part of the whole Voss debacle and cannot comment on that.

But, I can comment on this whole 13th TAS and Hornets thing.

First off...I am a member of 13th TAS.  Absolutely top notch bunch of individuals and pilots.  Their character is impossible to tarnish.

Secondly, I know and consider quite a few Hornets among my friends.  Ripsnort, Swoop, Cavalear, Replicant (Nexx) just to name a few.

My take is that the Hornets have simply said "The past is the past, let's move on."  There is no denying Metatron (Voss...whatever) is a good pilot and someone who you would want on your wing.   I don't think they hang out socially with the guy, but given the fact that these guys are a bunch of really nice guys they have decided to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and let by-gones be by-gones.

Most of the stalwart 13th guys who knew Voss have good reason to dislike and distrust this Voss guy.  But, they don't hate him.  They are too darn nice to actually hate anybody.

Fester sounds like he has good reason to dislike Voss and I bear him no malace posting this thread in an effort to warn anyone off getting involved in a scam.

But PLEASE...let's not turn this into an attack on the Hornets.  They are friends of mine and I don't like it when my friends get attacked.

Peace.
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 13, 2004, 12:16:45 PM
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Originally posted by Curval
But PLEASE...let's not turn this into an attack on the Hornets.  They are friends of mine and I don't like it when my friends get attacked.

Peace.


When you're number 1, someones always trying to knock you down. ;) You America basher! :) ;) (j/k)
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Post by: Furious on July 13, 2004, 12:19:29 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
obviously you haven't been in AH as long as I have, and do not know Fester as well as some of the vets here do ;)

Pretty sure Kappa knows Fester.
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 13, 2004, 12:21:42 PM
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Originally posted by Furious
Pretty sure Kappa knows Fester.


Well that explains it, its his squaddie! LMAO!!!!
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 12:27:51 PM
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Originally posted by Curval
I was not a part of the whole Voss debacle and cannot comment on that.

But, I can comment on this whole 13th TAS and Hornets thing.

First off...I am a member of 13th TAS.  Absolutely top notch bunch of individuals and pilots.  Their character is impossible to tarnish.

Secondly, I know and consider quite a few Hornets among my friends.  Ripsnort, Swoop, Cavalear, Replicant (Nexx) just to name a few.

My take is that the Hornets have simply said "The past is the past, let's move on."  There is no denying Metatron (Voss...whatever) is a good pilot and someone who you would want on your wing.   I don't think they hang out socially with the guy, but given the fact that these guys are a bunch of really nice guys they have decided to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and let by-gones be by-gones.

Most of the stalwart 13th guys who knew Voss have good reason to dislike and distrust this Voss guy.  But, they don't hate him.  They are too darn nice to actually hate anybody.

Fester sounds like he has good reason to dislike Voss and I bear him no malace posting this thread in an effort to warn anyone off getting involved in a scam.

But PLEASE...let's not turn this into an attack on the Hornets.  They are friends of mine and I don't like it when my friends get attacked.

Peace.


I like some of the Hornets too. I've known some that I like for many years. It is because of this that I am horrified they would associate with such a shady character. Like it or not they are guilty by association. It is not unlike having a known sex offender living in your house. While you may be the nicest guy in the world your neighbors are not going to think too highly of you for having that sex offender there right next door to them. It's just that simple.

While it's nice to say let bygones be bygones the truth is he  maliciously defrauded the community of countless dollars and basically got away with it. He was banned for life but just keeps creating new false identities. He is even smug about the fact that he perpetrated this crime without having to compensate his victims. There is nothing whatsoever stopping him from hatching some other scheme now, tomorrow, or anytime in the future. He is now and always will be a threat to the integrity of the community.

Voss/Metapotato is not just someone we find annoying or immature we can ignore/squelch those people. He is a criminal at large using loopholes in the system to remain involved in the very community he defrauded. I don't care who you are, that is just wrong.

Zazen
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Post by: TheDudeDVant on July 13, 2004, 12:34:23 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Well that explains it, its his squaddie! LMAO!!!!


hehe Ripsnort...  

Guys, im positive this thread was not meant to tarnish the good names of the 13th TAS or the Hornets..  I have not, to memory, met a bad soul from either of the squads..  Both squads are outstanding and are apart of an outstanding community..  With that said, I'd be more interested in hearing from my old mentor Badz.. hehe

Now thats outta the way, how abouts we gets back to some ol'fashioned Voss bashing..  Im pretty sure that was the original idea... Now chop chop!! Lets get to it! lmao    :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Post by: BUG_EAF322 on July 13, 2004, 12:36:13 PM
whatever guys, this thread is childish

and it seems it never stops.
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 13, 2004, 12:37:07 PM
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
whatever guys, this thread is childish

and it seems it never stops.


Yep.  And just when the community thought Fester finally grew up...

Time to lock it Skuzzy.
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Post by: Pongo on July 13, 2004, 12:38:46 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
When you're number 1, someones always trying to knock you down. ;) You America basher! :) ;) (j/k)


AH..I didnt know you were a member of his squad. i thought you were commenting as a neutral 3rd party..
Still. I really dont see why people think it disparages a squad to have a guy in there that has sycho problems. Certainly hes not alone in the game in that regard. Looking at the squad score..its seems a great squad with or without him. If the guys get along with him on vox what business is it of anyone else in the game if he isnt bothering anyone else?
But that doenst mean the comunity cant dredge up the voss thing anytime they want. You guys can forgive and forget what he did to others if you like. But the others are not constrained by your decision. They can hold the grudge as long as they like.
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Post by: Edbert on July 13, 2004, 12:41:52 PM
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I like some of the Hornets too. I've known some that I like for many years. It is because of this that I am horrified they would associate with such a shady character. Like it or not they are guilty by association. It is not unlike having a known sex offender living in your house. While you may be the nicest guy in the world your neighbors are not going to think too highly of you for having that sex offender there right next door to them. It's just that simple.
 



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Originally posted by dsrtrat
LOL well aren't you the high and mighty!!!!! Fact is Zazen he is in our squad. Big deal. Even if he was all those things that you claim he is, it has no bearing on my life or my gameplay. Hell, I would let Saddam in the squad if he wanted to join.



hrmmmm....
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 13, 2004, 12:44:24 PM
In hindsite, this post by Fester probably will perpetuate support for Meta.(From a squadron point of view)
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Post by: TheDudeDVant on July 13, 2004, 12:46:50 PM
You guys are weak!

Pongo! Stop talking so much sense!! We dont need a peace maker here! We need thrown vulgarity!! Let me start it!

Bug, your just a poopoo head and... and.. well.... you smell bad!

Ripsnort, your squad is always 2nd place to the muppets! Your place at the top is FIRST losers cause yall are poopoo heads too!

Pongo, go make someone mad! you you... pee pee head!~
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 12:48:15 PM
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
hrmmmm....


Yea, Edbert, kind of disturbing eh? :eek:
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Post by: lazs2 on July 13, 2004, 12:52:26 PM
rip.. the man is unrepentant and it appears that he is up to his old tricks with his newest fantasy life.  

I personaly think that the 13th guys have the right take on the thing... they were horrified and repelled... for you not to be is kinda bizzare in my opinion.   for this thread to strengthen your support of metavoss is even more bizzare.

"forgive and forget" works on the precept that the person being forgiven has turned over a new leaf and is sorry for past missdeeds... Otherwise...  what is the point?   To reward such behavior only encourages it.  Your defense enables him to continue.



lazs
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Post by: Furball on July 13, 2004, 12:57:38 PM
From my point of view, Metatron has never done anything to make me upset with him, nor squaddies, its quite the contrary.  He has never stepped out of line, he is always willing to contribute to the squad and he has a laugh on sqd channel. We have no reason to join in this little witch hunt on 'voss'.

We have no reason to not have him in our squad; its you that has the problem with him - not us.
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Post by: 1K0N on July 13, 2004, 12:59:37 PM
A book comparable to "The littlest pig" childish, and boring after the first page.. But my daughter seemed to really be interested in the same story over and over agian.....When she was 5.....
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Post by: GreenCloud on July 13, 2004, 01:04:01 PM
hahah poor Hornets have a scum bag in there squad...(if voss is meta..there is no excuse for him)

I would feel bad too.....Its never too late to kik him to the curb

reminds me of families who kid is in jail for rape-murder or whatever....


"hes a good boy.....he would never hurt anyone"
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 13, 2004, 01:08:05 PM
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Originally posted by Furball
From my point of view, Metatron has never done anything to make me upset with him, nor squaddies, its quite the contrary.  He has never stepped out of line, he is always willing to contribute to the squad and he has a laugh on sqd channel. We have no reason to join in this little witch hunt on 'voss'.

We have no reason to not have him in our squad; its you that has the problem with him - not us.


In short..."Just because YOU were a sucker, doesn't make it OUR problem!"

(Okay MT, now I *have* taken a side! I've always loved the underdog! :) Hey, Seattle sports fan, what did you expect?)
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Post by: BUG_EAF322 on July 13, 2004, 01:11:36 PM
exactly
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Post by: Sikboy on July 13, 2004, 01:11:38 PM
Never mind. For once I'm staying out lol.

without taking a position on Voss, the TAS, or the Hornets, I would say that cautionary tales like this serve a purpose in a community like this, and having some folks go down that road in the past, hopefully the perpetuation of the story will help prevent similar situations in the future.


-Sik
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 01:34:27 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
In short..."Just because YOU were a sucker, doesn't make it OUR problem!"

(Okay MT, now I *have* taken a side! I've always loved the underdog! :) Hey, Seattle sports fan, what did you expect?)


Let me guess, you're one of those people who thinks it's ok to scam little old widowed ladies out of their Social Security checks. Hey they deserve it! They're just suckers right? I suppose you also believe rape victims are the ones to blame not the rapist because hey, they were wearing a tight blouse! They got what they deserved!

Blaming the victims of crimes is stupendously rediculous, I hope to God you are not a person with any kind of power, that would just freak me out.

Zazen
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Post by: jigsaw on July 13, 2004, 01:36:49 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
The BK's are pretty loose but we sure as hell wouldn't have voss/metavoss in our squad.  

We have turned down people in the past... basicly... if someone in the squad doesn't like em.... they don't get in.

I most dislike meta voss because he is so unrepentant.   Someone that unrepentant  is simply waiting for things to die down for his next scam.   With him, I think it is important to bring this up every 6 months or so.

This was really over the top stuff and the person who was the subject of it is still around and not admitting any wrongdoing.

lazs


Eh, actually Voss was a BK back in the TSN Red Baron days for a while. He got booted by Banzai.

Before the BKs formed up in AW I was in TAS briefly. Same era as Tex before he split to form "Lawndarts."  When I was moving things to storage the other day, I ran across a "plaque" that someone in the squad made up for winning camp #113.

With the brief exceptions of when BKs were scattered to the wind while waiting on new sims, I've been proud to wear that tag since 1992.

I never saw the "screenshots" for the mystery sim, but since Voss was the person that introduced me to raytracing that's probably how they were made.
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Post by: FUNKED1 on July 13, 2004, 02:03:52 PM
Wow so much for Mr. Morals & Integritysnort.
Festardbria has done some tardriffic stuff in the past but none of that comes even close to what Voss did.
Of course this is the 418th we are talking about.  They aren't exactly picky about character issues.  Buncha Clinton voters LOL.  :rofl
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Post by: FUNKED1 on July 13, 2004, 02:05:27 PM
Funniest part is Drippy calling other people suckers when the Con Man has him eating out of his hand.
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Post by: MetaTron on July 13, 2004, 02:10:13 PM
Anyone that sent money, provide proof. I will return any money you SUCKERS lost. Apparently you fell victim to Hobuss, not I, but I will make good on this promise to return funds.

FesterA77, I suggest you go **** yourself. You weren't involved in any of the debacle of TAS, obviously, as you are too young to have even been around.

I also know it's you flying under the handle of VOSS. Hobuss couldn't manage to score with an 80yr old hooker.
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Post by: ghostdancer on July 13, 2004, 02:13:41 PM
Edbert I think that post answers your question.
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Post by: midnight Target on July 13, 2004, 02:16:58 PM
Metatron..

Please put those other items to rest also.. you know, like the scorpion and the brain cancer and the f-16s and the p-51's... please share!
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Post by: Edbert on July 13, 2004, 02:23:23 PM
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Originally posted by ghostdancer
Edbert I think that post answers your question.

Yup, pretty clearly too. I guess the other question is why did HT's "banned for life" thing get overturned?
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Post by: ghostdancer on July 13, 2004, 02:27:08 PM
Probably because they are only 7 people and its pretty hard for them to screen all accounts thoroughly all the time.

Heck, I just somebody on the rook side with a handel of "suckmeoff."

Oh, and I keep hearing about banning for life .. was that actually posted / said in regards to Voss?
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Post by: Sikboy on July 13, 2004, 02:33:31 PM
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Hobuss couldn't manage to score with an 80yr old hooker.


I hope I can't either.

I mean, if I have a choice.

-Sik
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Post by: gofaster on July 13, 2004, 02:35:20 PM
Ok, just so everyone knows, I hate the AKs.  I also hate the 13th TAS.  I'm starting to hate the Hornets but I'm not quite there yet.  I would hate the MOL, too, but Whels was in my AOL squadron and we've done an airshow together in Lakeland, so at least they have one redeeming feature.  

I also hate Tiger spawncampers, P-51D score potatos, and Typhoons.  I hate the bouncing tank bug.  I might hate the AKDesert map but it hasn't come up in the rotation in AH2 yet so maybe it'll be refined and improved.  I hate the fact that we don't have the Ki-44 Shoki nor the Sherman tank with the Calliope bolt-on rocket pack.  I hate that we can only have 1 gunner in a bomber (nothing builds squad unity like a bloodpig mission).  I hate the absence of the B-25 as a carrier-based bomber.

I also hate con artists who get away scot-free, but since I didn't get taken I'll let the victims dispense their own justice.

Oh, and I hate the 6-foot rule at strip clubs.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: sax on July 13, 2004, 02:44:40 PM
The Hornets are an unbelievable Squad with a wide range of diversity that maybe only 2-3 other Squads could match.

I don't fault them one iota for defending MetaTron or any other Squaddie , 13th has and would again if we were ever in thier position.

That said , those that continue to flame away are only trolling in hopes that one of the Hornets will see it as you do and jump on
Burn Voss band wagon.

Well guess what--it ain't gonna happen!!!!!

This thread is all about attention--and  probably not Voss.

Wheter MetaTron is Voss or not or whether we like or hate the guy--the Hornets are doing the
right thing by standing up for thier Squaddie
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: lazs2 on July 13, 2004, 02:45:32 PM
as you can see.... voss is not exactly filled with remorse and self loathing over the whole thing..   I would say he would do it all over again if he thought enough people would buy it.

lazs
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Thrawn on July 13, 2004, 02:48:15 PM
**** Voss, I can't get over the fact that they let Ripsnort in!! :eek:

;)


The 418th "Hornets" are the best squad EVAR!!
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Citabria on July 13, 2004, 02:51:44 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MetaTron
Anyone that sent money, provide proof. I will return any money you SUCKERS lost. Apparently you fell victim to Hobuss, not I, but I will make good on this promise to return funds.

FesterA77, I suggest you go **** yourself. You weren't involved in any of the debacle of TAS, obviously, as you are too young to have even been around.

I also know it's you flying under the handle of VOSS. Hobuss couldn't manage to score with an 80yr old hooker.


(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/whiner.jpg)
thats a choice whine of admission of guilt right there
with a nice sentiment of arrogance too!


lol i would never fly under the handle of voss, even if you paid me too!
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Octavius on July 13, 2004, 02:56:05 PM
(http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/cwm/cwm/lurk.gif)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Grimm on July 13, 2004, 02:58:23 PM
Perhaps a name chance?  

Army of Voss?    

Its really sad to see a fine squad like the hornets be duped by a con artist.   :(
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Westy on July 13, 2004, 02:58:32 PM
"Anyone that sent money, provide proof. I will return any money you SUCKERS lost. Apparently you fell victim to Hobuss, not I, but I will make good on this promise to return funds.
FesterA77, I suggest you go **** yourself. You weren't involved in any of the debacle of TAS, obviously, as you are too young to have even been around.
I also know it's you flying under the handle of VOSS. Hobuss couldn't manage to score with an 80yr old hooker. - Metatron"




Leaping lizards. The penultimate online world a-hole has really out done even his past self.


As for those who lamely say that the past actions of someone else is inconsequential and does not reflect on them? Wrong. You're judged by the company you keep be that at home or even in an online game. It does not matter.  Float about with scum and you soon enough look the same.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 13, 2004, 02:59:14 PM
Somebody needs to post that pilot and scorpion picture about now please..   :D
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Post by: FUNKED1 on July 13, 2004, 03:03:02 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Somebody needs to post that pilot and scorpion picture about now please..   :D

I lost it   :(
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Pongo on July 13, 2004, 03:04:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MetaTron
Anyone that sent money, provide proof. I will return any money you SUCKERS lost. Apparently you fell victim to Hobuss, not I, but I will make good on this promise to return funds.

FesterA77, I suggest you go **** yourself. You weren't involved in any of the debacle of TAS, obviously, as you are too young to have even been around.

I also know it's you flying under the handle of VOSS. Hobuss couldn't manage to score with an 80yr old hooker.


"debacle" is to "fraud"
as "denial" is to "repentance"
and "forgiveness" is to "antagonism"
and "mistake" is to "sociopath"

you should have let your squadies speak for you.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Ack-Ack on July 13, 2004, 03:05:05 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Overlag
sigh... really taking this ott arnt we

as if fester has NEVER done anything wrong....



Fester never tried to scam anyone nor to my recollection ever claimed to be a CIA pilot flying F-16s over Iraq, scoring two MiG kills, getting shot down and taken POW and then escaping only to get a bout of brain cancer followed by a near death heartattack induced by a red scorpion sting all the while trying to scam people out of their hard earn cash.  Oh yeah, forgot to add that Fester never claimed to own a P-51D or a Bf109E.



ack-ack
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: SirLoin on July 13, 2004, 03:07:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Thrawn
**** Voss, I can't get over the fact that they let Ripsnort in!! :eek:

;)


The 418th "Hornets" are the best squad EVAR!!


Hey,when you comin back mate?..(Btw..Rip just went into retirement :( )
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: TheDudeDVant on July 13, 2004, 03:08:34 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Thrawn
**** Voss, I can't get over the fact that they let Ripsnort in!! :eek:

;)


The 418th "Hornets" are the best squad EVAR!!


ahahahaha  lmao Thrawn

:lol :lol :lol
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Westy on July 13, 2004, 03:10:09 PM
eh :)  It's all still out there on Usenet if you use Google and look for Hinds and Voss (for starters)    I even have interviews with this dirtbag and the subsequent Combatsim articles, including the screenshots, which I saved from years ago.
Nothing beats the P-51 pic he "created" with photoshop to back up one claim he made for himself though.

Let me post a choice piece of mentally defective blubberage from Voss....

Well, I'm back. Yes, cancer was a bear, but I'm over it (I hope forever).
  Many of you lost faith in my goal (of putting out the sim - TAS) when my
reputation came under fire. Don't worry, I'm still the cold blooded,
heartless killer I always was. I'll be returning to every arena available
very soon. Yes, my wing is still with me and we'll be reassembling the
squadron as well. We fly Mustangs, and Mustangs only. If you care to vent
your hatred upon me, we all await the hoards (we'll rack up tons of kills).
  On the flight sim creation topic; yes, I'll be doing that again too. TAS
is gone forever though. A recent release has included nearly everything we
discussed on the TAS BBS, but no hard feelings. I'll make the final product
even better, and encompass even more of period life. You'll love it.
  But, we're still a LONG way off from seeing anything. I have a new
partner, and we're just now working out the business plan. Once we have the
funds, you will see many and varied flight sim products in release. Right
now I'm still assembling tools, but we have a plan, a goal, and an approach.
We WILL be successful.
  Come by and visit! You can see our progress at:

http://www.roled.com/aerosoft

  The offerings thus far are few. That will change in time. Bookmark us,
return often, and enjoy!
  Squadrons! You may want to register with us. I know the web site is not
clear on this, but email us your choice of colors, logos, pilot faces, and
handles. We have a great product coming out very soon (3DFX only) and I know
you want to be represented. You DO NOT have to register to get your
squadrons in. You won't get custom work done, but you will get into the
release.
  I hope to hear from all of you very soon.

  Showtime!

Paul "Voss" Hinds
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Ack-Ack on July 13, 2004, 03:15:22 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MetaTron
Anyone that sent money, provide proof. I will return any money you SUCKERS lost. Apparently you fell victim to Hobuss, not I, but I will make good on this promise to return funds.

 



That is so pathetic and so like you Voss, blame everyone else for the scam while failing to take responsibility that you're nothing but a crook.  I guess you're gonna call the FBI on me since you're still in almost daily contact with them, right?  

How's that P-51D doin'?  Talk to your old wingman Ironman lately?



ack-ack
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Rino on July 13, 2004, 03:16:44 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sikboy
Michael Hobuss was the mark who was scammed. Voss is Paul Hinds.

The Voss=Metatron thing was pretty funny data analysis taken from the score page. There's a thread on it somewhere.

-Sik


     What ever happened to Doom anyway?
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 03:18:35 PM
Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
as you can see.... voss is not exactly filled with remorse and self loathing over the whole thing..   I would say he would do it all over again if he thought enough people would buy it.

lazs


You betcha he would! I forget the exact statistic, but something like 95% of all criminals who get away with a crime go on to repeat it, so it's just a matter of time before he strikes again. Just the fact that he is even capable of perpetrating such an ellaborately woven scheme speaks volumes about his character or lack thereof. Obviously he has no moral inhibitions whatsoever. Pretty frightening really :eek:

Zazen
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: jaxxo on July 13, 2004, 03:22:11 PM
Interesting post...kinda pointless with no proof isnt it? Lotta people takin sides of an unproven issue if ya ask me. When people accuse Fester of cheating isnt the classic Aces High response from fester to "post the film or S*F*"  Seems ironic that this post about fraud and deception comes without a shred of proof. Many people who read the boards dont have extensive history with this isssue. Bashing someone in this degree would surely require some evidence..at least as much as would be expected from calling someone a "cheater" on channel one. Im just sayin.....
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 03:22:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Westy
"Anyone that sent money, provide proof. I will return any money you SUCKERS lost. Apparently you fell victim to Hobuss, not I, but I will make good on this promise to return funds.
FesterA77, I suggest you go **** yourself. You weren't involved in any of the debacle of TAS, obviously, as you are too young to have even been around.
I also know it's you flying under the handle of VOSS. Hobuss couldn't manage to score with an 80yr old hooker. - Metatron"




Leaping lizards. The penultimate online world a-hole has really out done even his past self.


As for those who lamely say that the past actions of someone else is inconsequential and does not reflect on them? Wrong. You're judged by the company you keep be that at home or even in an online game. It does not matter.  Float about with scum and you soon enough look the same.


Lol Westy, exactly! A sociopath like Voss can't help himself, his ego demands he gloat over his exploits, it was only a matter of time until he made this post. It is alot like the serial murderer or rapist that taunts the police with cryptic clues as to his identity, a part of him wants to get caught. He's a sick person, I hope he gets incarcerated soon so he can get the 'professional help' he is in so DIRE need of before he really hurts some people. I'm being serious.:eek:

Zazen
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 03:24:10 PM
Quote
Originally posted by jaxxo
Interesting post...kinda pointless with no proof isnt it? Lotta people takin sides of an unproven issue if ya ask me.


Jaxxo, read his admission of guilt about ten posts up before you start swinging! It's all out in the open!
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Vulcan on July 13, 2004, 03:24:24 PM
I'm still trying to figure out if Valorian on the WW2OL boards is Voss (F-16 pilot, 2 Helo kills... etc).
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 03:28:49 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Pongo
"debacle" is to "fraud"
as "denial" is to "repentance"
and "forgiveness" is to "antagonism"
and "mistake" is to "sociopath"

you should have let your squadies speak for you.


Metapotato can't help himself! No doubt his squaddies have known all along who he was. I also have no doubt Busher or whoever told him to STFU about this and let the foot soldiers handle it with denials and off-topic back-talk. But, he's a sociopath, he can't restrain himself, a huge part of him starves for the attention of being recognized for his evil deeds.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: GtoRA2 on July 13, 2004, 03:29:35 PM
I am with Laz, and (Gasp) Westy on this, Voss is scum, I would not be in the same sqaud with him.



the jokers posting about no proof just need to read this thread, metatron just came and pretty much admited it.


I hope HT comes on Bans him, having scum like him playing your game is not a good idea.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: jaxxo on July 13, 2004, 03:30:17 PM
"I will return any money you SUCKERS lost. Apparently you fell victim to Hobuss, not I"

This is an admission of guilt ? lol. Sounds like a man offering to pay for another man mistakes.

Oh and I dont know or care to make an opinion about Voss/Metatron whatever until the truth is known (probably never) You are sidestepping the point I made in my earlier post. He also said Fester was Voss not him so.....Dont know who is right and thats the point
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on July 13, 2004, 03:34:46 PM
I have Voss phone number for when I was supposed to fly his brother in law's learjet:D

Who wants it? Starting bid $100:p
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Westy on July 13, 2004, 03:41:30 PM
Why would I bid when I could ask his brother Jaxxo directly with a pm?

;)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Estes on July 13, 2004, 03:41:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by jaxxo
"I will return any money you SUCKERS lost. Apparently you fell victim to Hobuss, not I"

This is an admission of guilt ? lol. Sounds like a man offering to pay for another man mistakes.

Oh and I dont know or care to make an opinion about Voss/Metatron whatever until the truth is known (probably never) You are sidestepping the point I made in my earlier post. He also said Fester was Voss not him so.....Dont know who is right and thats the point


You obviously haven't been around very long.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 03:45:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Vulcan
I'm still trying to figure out if Valorian on the WW2OL boards is Voss (F-16 pilot, 2 Helo kills... etc).


Voss/Metapotato has a very unique posting structure, from the way he loses his cool and masks vulgarity, to his poor grammar, syntax and repetitively distinctive and almost child-like vocabulary. It is as obvious as a dogs balls that the Voss posts and the Metapotato posts here are the same person's writing. It should be obvious there as well.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 03:49:25 PM
Pongo....you make too much sense....shut up


If your stupid enough to send someone money without checking there backgrounds....you deserve that big L(loser) on your forehead....

as for Fester....your an attention seeker young man....always coming back to the same ol'song and dance.

try and be creative for once....change your tune.

the 418 Hornets belongs to Busher.....

any of you prettythangwipes say anything about the 418...your talking about Busher

and that in my book is a no touch subject.....wanna whine about Voss or Meta....go right ahead

touch Busher....and I'll personnelly piss in your cornflakes
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Citabria on July 13, 2004, 03:51:29 PM
Voss is like jack nicholson in a few good men. he knows what he did was wrong and he is pissed off that he has to dance aorund it. he wants to boast that he sure as hell did it and can do it again.

"did you order the code red?"


"you're damned right I did!!!!"
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: straffo on July 13, 2004, 03:53:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
I have Voss phone number for when I was supposed to fly his brother in law's learjet:D

Who wants it? Starting bid $100:p

pitié participe pas à cette pitoyable curée
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 13, 2004, 03:56:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by FUNKED1
Funniest part is Drippy calling other people suckers when the Con Man has him eating out of his hand.


Actually, none of us that joined the Hornets knew who he was, and I doubt it would have it changed our minds on whether to join or not..we knew alot of guys on the squad.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 03:59:06 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GtoRA2
I am with Laz, and (Gasp) Westy on this, Voss is scum, I would not be in the same sqaud with him.



the jokers posting about no proof just need to read this thread, metatron just came and pretty much admited it.


I hope HT comes on Bans him, having scum like him playing your game is not a good idea.


I agree with you there, allowing Voss remain now that he has officially been unmasked as Metapotato sets a very dangerous precident for the future. When you find a snake slithering in the grass the solution is very simple....lop it's head off with a bushaxe.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 04:00:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
Voss is like jack nicholson in a few good men. he knows what he did was wrong and he is pissed off that he has to dance aorund it. he wants to boast that he sure as hell did it and can do it again.

"did you order the code red?"


"you're damned right I did!!!!"


ROFLMFAO Fester! Great analogy! I loved that movie. Only difference is Jack has more Chutzpah in his pinky toe than Metapotato/Voss could ever dream about.
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Post by: Sikboy on July 13, 2004, 04:02:10 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO


touch Busher....and I'll personnelly piss in your cornflakes


Is that some kind of game threat? or are you like, going to come over to my house and ****? Err Piss.

LOL.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 04:06:02 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
Pongo....you make too much sense....shut up


If your stupid enough to send someone money without checking there backgrounds....you deserve that big L(loser) on your forehead....

as for Fester....your an attention seeker young man....always coming back to the same ol'song and dance.

try and be creative for once....change your tune.

the 418 Hornets belongs to Busher.....

any of you prettythangwipes say anything about the 418...your talking about Busher

and that in my book is a no touch subject.....wanna whine about Voss or Meta....go right ahead

touch Busher....and I'll personnelly piss in your cornflakes


This look familiar Slowhand? Seems you had no problems dissin' 418th until you became one of their foot soldiers, oh the hypocracy! ;)

Biggest ego's of the game
I nominate

Whels = your always lucky when you kill em.

Hammy = big mouth no skill

Voss = never seems to mind his own business, always jumpin in others conversations UN-invited.



SlowHand
4WING =441 Silver Fox=
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: gofaster on July 13, 2004, 04:11:18 PM
Take it easy on Whels.  He has RL issues you can't begin to understand.
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Post by: Thrawn on July 13, 2004, 04:11:33 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SirLoin
Hey,when you comin back mate?..(Btw..Rip just went into retirement :( )



It looks like I might be gaining employment in a situation that will keep me away from my family for months at a time.  I probably will have nothing but time for AH then.  Needless to say if it happens there will be only one squadron I'll want to hook up with.  ;)
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 04:19:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by gofaster
Take it easy on Whels.  He has RL issues you can't begin to understand.


That post was a quote from an old Slowhand post, I just copied it to here, ethically I can't modify another's post or I would have removed Whels from Slowhand's 'ego list'. Sorry, Whels buddy.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 13, 2004, 04:22:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
Voss is like jack nicholson in a few good men. he knows what he did was wrong and he is pissed off that he has to dance aorund it. he wants to boast that he sure as hell did it and can do it again.

"did you order the code red?"


"you're damned right I did!!!!"


That, and they both prentended to be important people who were in the military...
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Slash27 on July 13, 2004, 04:27:00 PM
I got stung by a red scorpion once.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Sandman on July 13, 2004, 04:29:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by gofaster
Take it easy on Whels.  He has RL issues you can't begin to understand.


Hmmm... interesting.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: killnu on July 13, 2004, 04:30:05 PM
Quote
touch Busher....and I'll personnelly piss in your cornflakes


i thought this was just a "game"?  did somebody forget their meds?  it is something to read tho, all the squaddies coming to each others defense...tear to my eye.  you guys should just get it over with and have a AH squad battle royal on PPV.
~S~
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: straffo on July 13, 2004, 04:32:00 PM
With all the energy wasted in the thread how long will be the light duration of a 100 watt lamp  ?

I understand the expression "flight sim grognard" :D
I hope you know what grognard mean originaly ?
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 04:37:39 PM
your a jealous person Zazen....

twice now you posted that thread....completely out of context too

and yes whels does have a very big ego....

and yes so does Meta....and Hammy has gotten alot better

like I make personel threats to go to your home and piss in your cornflakes(read between the lines dumbprettythang)....

all I have to do is get Skuzzified and bye bye thread
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 04:40:16 PM
non mais quand des coulisse d'epais n'arrete pas de descendre tes amis....

quoi faire....moi j'aime mieux les degonfler ces cons
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Post by: straffo on July 13, 2004, 04:45:05 PM
Franchement tu as vu la taille de leur égo ?
Il vont exploser de le propre suffisance les hargneux

Ceci dit je te laisse avec tes nouveaux amis :D
 moi je vais au dodo ;)

@+ Slo (et ne t'énerve pas trops si possible :))
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Post by: Sikboy on July 13, 2004, 04:48:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO


like I make personel threats to go to your home and piss in your cornflakes(read between the lines dumbprettythang)....

 


Ahhh, just a bunch of BBS Baravado!

Good to know lol.

-Sik
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Post by: SOB on July 13, 2004, 04:50:33 PM
Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
The BK's are pretty loose but we sure as hell wouldn't have voss/metavoss in our squad.

Hell, even the FDBs wouldn't let that sweetheart bag in the squad, and we'll let any idiot join.  I don't know the Hornets, honestly didn't even know they existed before this thread, so I wouldn't comment on them personally.  Hard to imagine anyone keeping a scumbag like that around though, especially after his post in this thread.
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Post by: Morpheus on July 13, 2004, 04:59:22 PM
Interesting.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 05:10:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO

twice now you posted that thread....completely out of context too

 


Out of context? It was a direct reply to your threatening a BBS member if he talked badly about a Hornet. All the while you yourself are on record as doing just that!

That's "IN" CONTEXT!

Nice try though, keep trying!:aok


Zazen
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Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 05:10:59 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sikboy
Ahhh, just a bunch of BBS Baravado!

Good to know lol.

-Sik


thats cause your 2 slow in your comprehension level....
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Post by: Furious on July 13, 2004, 05:13:30 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Thrawn
It looks like I might be gaining employment in a situation that will keep me away from my family for months at a time.  I probably will have nothing but time for AH then.  Needless to say if it happens there will be only one squadron I'll want to hook up with.  ;)

You are going to have to ask Fatty real nice, but you got a shot.
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Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 05:42:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
Out of context? It was a direct reply to your threatening a BBS member if he talked badly about a Hornet. All the while you yourself are on record as doing just that!

That's "IN" CONTEXT!

Nice try though, keep trying!:aok


Zazen
[/QUOTE


twice you fruit cake...that in my book is jealousy.

and WTF are you doin bringing up old post writtin 2 years ago....you got a serious case of wannabe
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: lazs2 on July 13, 2004, 05:54:57 PM
yep.. agree with sob.. never heard of the hornets and could't care less who busher is but if he is one of these hornets and is responsible for letting voss in... he can't be too friggin sharp...

I like cheerios but you are welcome to cross the border and attempt to piss in em any time you feel up to it slo.

lazs
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 05:56:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
Out of context? It was a direct reply to your threatening a BBS member if he talked badly about a Hornet. All the while you yourself are on record as doing just that!

That's "IN" CONTEXT!

Nice try though, keep trying!:aok


Zazen
[/QUOTE


twice you fruit cake...that in my book is jealousy.

and WTF are you doin bringing up old post writtin 2 years ago....you got a serious case of wannabe [/B]


Jealous of what? Your bad spelling, poor grammar, or irrational statements? You forget your medication again today? My suggestion to you is to leave post-it notes around your hovel to remind you and remember if you miss a dose don't double-up and stay at home. With all that pent up animoisity you have, you might hurt yourself or someone else.



Zazen
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Post by: Icer on July 13, 2004, 06:03:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by gofaster
I don't like the 13th TAS anyway; the bunch of P-51D base-porking dweebs! :p


Now THAT'S funny!!!!

:rofl
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Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 06:04:19 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
Jealous of what? Your bad spelling, poor grammar, or irrational statements? You forget your medication again today?

Zazen


Zazen 99% of your posts are always negative.....

your fishing in the wrong pond my wannabe friend...

If only you could handle a plane like you do your mouth you would be one of the best fighters in this game....

enough....your just not worth it
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 06:06:01 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO


If only you could handle a plane like you do your mouth you would be one of the best fighters in this game..


If only? :aok

Zazen
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Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 06:06:49 PM
Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
yep.. agree with sob.. never heard of the hornets and could't care less who busher is but if he is one of these hornets and is responsible for letting voss in... he can't be too friggin sharp...

I like cheerios but you are welcome to cross the border and attempt to piss in em any time you feel up to it slo.

lazs


and again you post like an ass....now that is to be expected coming from you....

and you to are welcome to come up here.....just leave your guns behind....no dogs running around loose here.
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Post by: Furball on July 13, 2004, 06:07:44 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
Jealous of what? Your bad spelling, poor grammar, or irrational statements?

Zazen


(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1089760051_zazen1.jpg)
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Post by: Icer on July 13, 2004, 06:11:05 PM
Quote
Originally posted by ghostdancer
snip
This is the probable reason why 13th TAS (Icer) posts these clarifications.
snip
 


For clarifications sake:

In the original post it was mentioned that Hinds was part of the 13th TAS when this all occurred and I wanted it clear that he was no longer, and hadn't been since the "brain tumor", any part of the AW 13th, Warbirds Pain Squad, or AH1/2's 13 TAS out of respect for current and past 13th members.. I believe Citi has amended it to include that now.

Ghost - take a look here and see if there are any names you recognize..

http://www.icer.net/Painsquad.htm

:D
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Post by: Icer on July 13, 2004, 06:26:13 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Curval
snip
But PLEASE...let's not turn this into an attack on the Hornets.  They are friends of mine and I don't like it when my friends get attacked.
Peace.


Agree completely Curv, my ONLY point in posting a response was to seperate this gentleman from today's 13th TAS, a group of guys I'm honered to be a part of. I was around during the whole "fantasy sim" debaucle but other than being dissapointed have no feelings good or bad about Voss/Hinds/Metatron and CERTAINLY have nothing but good to say about the Hornets.

Take a look at the History section here..

http://www.icer.net/Painsquad.htm

Cya up there bud!
  :aok
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Post by: Arlo on July 13, 2004, 06:27:29 PM
The main thing I'm getting out of this thread right now is that Slo(w) and Metatard are major advocates for gay marriage.
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Post by: Sikboy on July 13, 2004, 06:29:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
thats cause your 2 slow in your comprehension level....


No, I comprehend just fine. I just find your stance amusing. Like your some kind of BBS enforcer for your squad. LIke "Oh no! SLOwit is going to piss in my cornflakes!"

What if there's an escalation?!?! SLO mgiht puke on my waffles! Or OMG HE'S GOING TO **** IN MY OATMEAL!

LMAO.

-Sik
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 06:30:30 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
The main thing I'm getting out of this thread right now is that Slo(w) and Metatard are major advocates for gay marriage.


Roflmfao! TOO FUNNY! Slowhand is French Canadian, Frogs have always been kind of fruity around the edges. :eek:
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 06:32:18 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sikboy
No, I comprehend just fine. I just find your stance amusing. Like your some kind of BBS enforcer for your squad. LIke "Oh no! SLOwit is going to piss in my cornflakes!"

What if there's an escalation?!?! SLO mgiht puke on my waffles! Or OMG HE'S GOING TO **** IN MY OATMEAL!

LMAO.

-Sik


Hahaha!!
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Post by: Furball on July 13, 2004, 06:34:58 PM
zazen you are like a little lap dog that jumps up, barks and wags its tail everytime someone posts something derogatory.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Arlo on July 13, 2004, 06:37:37 PM
Does that make Slo Metaturd's lapmonkey? Wait ... I've already covered that.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 13, 2004, 06:38:06 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Furball
zazen you are like a little lap dog that jumps up, barks and wags its tail everytime someone posts something derogatory.

Pant! Pant! Pant! :aok

Zazen
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Post by: midnight Target on July 13, 2004, 06:59:06 PM
Wish list
1. MetaTAS..er tard.. er tron posts more replies.
2. That this thread lives on for a long time.
3. That lazs and/or Sikboy takes pictures of the cornflake / wheaties episode.




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Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 07:08:48 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
Roflmfao! TOO FUNNY! Slowhand is French Canadian, Frogs have always been kind of fruity around the edges. :eek:


now we attack my origins....oh so very thoughtful...you truly are a genius Mr.Wannabe
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Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 07:10:49 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sikboy
No, I comprehend just fine. I just find your stance amusing. Like your some kind of BBS enforcer for your squad. LIke "Oh no! SLOwit is going to piss in my cornflakes!"

What if there's an escalation?!?! SLO mgiht puke on my waffles! Or OMG HE'S GOING TO **** IN MY OATMEAL!

LMAO.

-Sik


when I say something I'll say it to you...not your whole damn squad

and attacking the squad is like attacking Busher....who I might add is an Honorable person who does not deserve it.
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Post by: Gman on July 13, 2004, 07:10:51 PM
This is the best thread of the year so far IMO.

MORE MORE MORE!

My 2 cents, I flew with the Hornets for a while, great bunch of guys, and I flew with Cit/Fester et all for a while, again, great bunch of guys.

This Voss thing has lived since the dawn of time it seems, I figured a lot of it was urban myth that developed over time.

The only thing that is funny for me in all of this is I used to taunt Metatron in the MA constantly that he was Voss, thinking that he had just been hung with the "you're really Voss" identity by somebody that didn't like him.

Now that has virtually admitting that he's Voss in this thread...well...sad after denying it so regularly.  If you believe you did nothing wrong, at least defend yourself with details when things like this come up (if you can).  It's what I'd do.
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Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 07:12:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
Does that make Slo Metaturd's lapmonkey? Wait ... I've already covered that.


we shall see in the MA who's lapmonkey your gonna be:aok
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Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 07:15:09 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Gman
This is the best thread of the year so far IMO.

Now that has virtually admitting that he's Voss in this thread...well...sad after denying it so regularly.  If you believe you did nothing wrong, at least defend yourself with details when things like this come up (if you can).  It's what I'd do.



impossible....

too many wannabe's on this here BBS
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Post by: Arlo on July 13, 2004, 07:15:14 PM
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And Slow says ....

we shall see in the MA who's lapmonkey your gonna be :aok



Have you two set a date yet? Will the ceremony be conducted in the MA? :D
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Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 07:16:54 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
Have you two set a date yet? Will the ceremony be conducted in the MA? :D


just make sure to bring your pink dress that fits you so fine.....and bring your girly friends with you
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Arlo on July 13, 2004, 07:18:19 PM
You know .... neither of you should be wearing white for this, right? :D
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Pongo on July 13, 2004, 07:24:04 PM
Yet strangley enough..Voss probably could legitimately wear white to his wedding.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Arlo on July 13, 2004, 07:25:33 PM
Slo could tell us but I'm suddenly not so keen to know details. :D
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Post by: airbumba on July 13, 2004, 07:27:20 PM
Wow. I 've only been around for two years and a bit, musta just came in at the end of the Voss thingy. I knew he was a loud mouthed lier, but I didn't know anything about fraud.

I don't know why he's in any squad? Even in this game. People get booted for a lot less than fraud, yet known scammers can lurk in the communty looking fore new baitfish?


Guess he could't have scammed for lot a bucks, cause he's still alive and not in jail.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Arlo on July 13, 2004, 07:30:52 PM
Don't take much to set precident. Nobody's accused him of being either good or smart about it.
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Post by: Sikboy on July 13, 2004, 07:43:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO

and attacking the squad is like attacking Busher....who I might add is an Honorable person who does not deserve it.


And tinkling in my breakfast will preserve that honor.

I see.  This is much more well thought out than I first considered.

-Sik
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 13, 2004, 07:47:48 PM
Heh, lets see...

Meta outfoxes Fester at his own game during online play.

Fester takes exception to it and starts this thread.

No ones come forward and said "Yes, I lost money".

See where this is going?  Nowhere. :)

Bunch of old women...you should be ashamed of yourselfs!

Now drop and give me 20!
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Post by: Voss on July 13, 2004, 07:47:54 PM
Misconceptions:

1. I wasn't a member of the 13th in AH1 or AH2.

Icer is WRONG. I was C.O. of the 13th for quite some time.
Icer is wrong still. Even after giving up the C.O. position I flew with the 13th for quite a while before Rude blew a gasket one night. Still a few 13th are good guys. Just not the latest additions.

2. Zazen knows me at all.

Zazen doesn't even appear on my scope. He must be one of the degenerate AW crowd that I care nothing about. A lamer I never knew, nor ever will. Trash.

3. I stole money from a crowd of guys in a beta program of some sort?

Shear fantasy. You guys fantasize while accusing me of something you lamers are engaging in is rather hypocritical don't you think? HA! You losers must have absolutely no life. I have asked you all to post proof of this over the years and no one ever has. I hope none of you have children or pets, because I know you'd beat on them. I care not for your loses you turds. Call the FBI if you think they care.

4. Conspiracy

Elevating yourself to the level of perpetrator is a new low even for you Cit. Show me your evidence. I seem to have read that you don't have a computer for flying, yet you can stir the pot with photoshop edits. You're pathetically disconnected from the real world. What are you, eighteen years old? You weren't even around in the days of the TAS beta. Pathetic.

5. I'm flying AH today?

Shortly after the 357th dried up (thanks to Citabria's duplicity) I left the game. This had something to do with a divorce and the poverty that I found myself in as a result. Divorce will do that to you. I still think HT should have left the price at $29.95 and the AH community wouldn't be full of the degenerates that it is. Someone is using Voss? Must be a low life indeed. I would suspect Citabria.

6. Citabria is a skilled artist.

The lame truth is he downloaded 3D Studio off of Kazaa. Software piracy is a crime Cit. Welcome to the club of criminals you so merrily degrade.

7. I care about you punks.

You're all girl scouts. Bend over girlies.

8. TAS is gone.

TAS, as it was, will never be. The ideas created by ME were stolen and incorporated in games like Aces High, and WWII Online. If any of you were around then (and many of you claim to have been) then you should know this. Which of you broke the agreement of the non-disclosure contract you signed? Oh, wait, Hobutt released you from it, didn't he? You should know a little more about the law then. He doesn't have the right to summarily modify a contractual agreement after the fact.

You continue to attack my handle and name. Yet, in truth you owe me a thanks for all the great ideas without which you would find yourself playing WarBirds to this day. Yes, I believe HT stole my ideas through losers like you.

Have a nice day.

To those that wrote me on this subject: I don't need anymore reminders that degenerates exist in this genre. I know full well that there is little evidence of intelligent life here. The entire purpose of this genre has escaped the majority of its users. It has degenrated (thus my use of the term degenrates) into a piss and whine genre.

I have better things to do with my time.
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Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 07:52:15 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sikboy
And tinkling in my breakfast will preserve that honor.

I see.  This is much more well thought out than I first considered.

-Sik


well ain't you a dumb prettythang witty one....

another not worthy of attention.....
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 13, 2004, 07:52:47 PM
Has anyone ever seen Megatard and SLO online at the same time?   Just wondering.

eskimo
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Post by: Sikboy on July 13, 2004, 07:53:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
well ain't you a witty one....

 


Well, comparatively... yes. But that's not saying a lot.

Capitulation feels good doesn't it?

-Sik
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Arlo on July 13, 2004, 07:53:51 PM
And yet Slo(w) gives his somewhat divided attention anyway. :D
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Post by: Arlo on July 13, 2004, 07:54:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by eskimo2
Has anyone ever seen Megatard and SLO online at the same time?   Just wondering.

eskimo


Hard for them to fly at the same time with one on his knees under the desk.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: airbumba on July 13, 2004, 08:01:02 PM
....Voss posting?....Metatron admitting he frauded and willing to pay back?....Metatron accusing Fester of being Voss?.....WTF is going on here?


This is strange beyond belief...someone is REALLY, REALLY, ill.  I'm serious. Get help, it's now sad, not even funny ,...sad.
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Post by: Arlo on July 13, 2004, 08:03:18 PM
I blame the skorpion induced tumor for his forgetting he owned up to being Voss under his Metadufe persona.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Lizking on July 13, 2004, 08:03:51 PM
Some funny chit.  Hey Voss-you are famous-too bad it is as a scumsucking assjole scammer!
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Mini D on July 13, 2004, 08:05:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Voss
Misconceptions:

1. I wasn't a member of the 13th in AH1 or AH2.

Icer is WRONG. I was C.O. of the 13th for quite some time.
Icer is wrong still. Even after giving up the C.O. position I flew with the 13th for quite a while before Rude blew a gasket one night. Still a few 13th are good guys. Just not the latest additions.

2. Zazen knows me at all.

Zazen doesn't even appear on my scope. He must be one of the degenerate AW crowd that I care nothing about. A lamer I never knew, nor ever will. Trash.

3. I stole money from a crowd of guys in a beta program of some sort?

Shear fantasy. You guys fantasize while accusing me of something you lamers are engaging in is rather hypocritical don't you think? HA! You losers must have absolutely no life. I have asked you all to post proof of this over the years and no one ever has. I hope none of you have children or pets, because I know you'd beat on them. I care not for your loses you turds. Call the FBI if you think they care.

4. Conspiracy

Elevating yourself to the level of perpetrator is a new low even for you Cit. Show me your evidence. I seem to have read that you don't have a computer for flying, yet you can stir the pot with photoshop edits. You're pathetically disconnected from the real world. What are you, eighteen years old? You weren't even around in the days of the TAS beta. Pathetic.

5. I'm flying AH today?

Shortly after the 357th dried up (thanks to Citabria's duplicity) I left the game. This had something to do with a divorce and the poverty that I found myself in as a result. Divorce will do that to you. I still think HT should have left the price at $29.95 and the AH community wouldn't be full of the degenerates that it is. Someone is using Voss? Must be a low life indeed. I would suspect Citabria.

6. Citabria is a skilled artist.

The lame truth is he downloaded 3D Studio off of Kazaa. Software piracy is a crime Cit. Welcome to the club of criminals you so merrily degrade.

7. I care about you punks.

You're all girl scouts. Bend over girlies.

8. TAS is gone.

TAS, as it was, will never be. The ideas created by ME were stolen and incorporated in games like Aces High, and WWII Online. If any of you were around then (and many of you claim to have been) then you should know this. Which of you broke the agreement of the non-disclosure contract you signed? Oh, wait, Hobutt released you from it, didn't he? You should know a little more about the law then. He doesn't have the right to summarily modify a contractual agreement after the fact.

You continue to attack my handle and name. Yet, in truth you owe me a thanks for all the great ideas without which you would find yourself playing WarBirds to this day. Yes, I believe HT stole my ideas through losers like you.

Have a nice day.

To those that wrote me on this subject: I don't need anymore reminders that degenerates exist in this genre. I know full well that there is little evidence of intelligent life here. The entire purpose of this genre has escaped the majority of its users. It has degenrated (thus my use of the term degenrates) into a piss and whine genre.

I have better things to do with my time.
Just saving this one "in case".
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Post by: Sandman on July 13, 2004, 08:10:34 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Mini D
Just saving this one "in case".


This is the best thread ever!
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: midnight Target on July 13, 2004, 08:11:39 PM
So HT stole the idea for AH from Voss?  Now this is really getting good.

I'll give 3-1 that Voss argues with Metadork before this thread is locked.
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Post by: DJ111 on July 13, 2004, 08:11:40 PM
Quote
This is the best thread ever!


EVAR!
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Post by: Arlo on July 13, 2004, 08:13:23 PM
Quote
Originally posted by midnight Target
So HT stole the idea for AH from Voss?  Now this is really getting good.

I'll give 3-1 that Voss argues with Metadork before this thread is locked.


Well hell ... now that you gave him the idea .... sheesh. :lol
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Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 08:15:24 PM
Luke, I'm your Father.....its me Voss
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Arlo on July 13, 2004, 08:17:40 PM
Wannabe Kanblowme.  :lol
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Westy on July 13, 2004, 08:20:44 PM
"....its me Voss"

Stop.   You're being a Vosstitute.
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Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 08:24:06 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sikboy
Well, comparatively... yes. But that's not saying a lot.

Capitulation feels good doesn't it?

-Sik


dream on loser
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Icer on July 13, 2004, 08:24:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Voss
Misconceptions:

1. I wasn't a member of the 13th in AH1 or AH2.

Icer is WRONG. I was C.O. of the 13th for quite some time.
Icer is wrong still. Even after giving up the C.O. position I flew with the 13th for quite a while before Rude blew a gasket one night. Still a few 13th are good guys. Just not the latest additions.


If thats the case I stand corrected and will re-phrase. You are no longer part of the 13th TAS or IN ANY WAY should anyone correlate your actions in the past (or NOW!) with the integrity of the people currently in the 13th TAS, which in my opinion are some of the best people in AH.

As for your last little snipe at myself, Slapshot, Mars01, Curval, Recon7, and others... it and you are not worthty of a response.

Adios.
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Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 08:28:32 PM
saw Slapshot the other day as Bish....you guys goin Bish Icer?
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Post by: Drifter1234 on July 13, 2004, 08:28:51 PM
Whoa,

Actually in a Voss thread.  Got to be the greatest thread since the stripperweb thread.  The strippers at least had a lil honor.

It is just a game, but it appears that some have overstepped the online code of ethics.  As a none squad person,  I have never heard of the Hornets but would not want to be associated with Voss or the legend of Voss.  Sleep with dogs get fleas.  

My two cents
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 13, 2004, 08:34:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
Luke, I'm your Father.....its me Voss


So you are Voss too?

eskimo
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Mini D on July 13, 2004, 08:36:01 PM
I used to wish people would just drop this whole "Voss/TAS" thing, then Voss started posting on the subject and it became quite clear as to why that should never happen.

This is going to be kinda long... you've been warned.

I was not a TAS beta tester
I was playing WB at the time of the "scam"


I've generated an overall opinion of this situation that seems to vary a bit from what others are trying to portray:

  • In regards to being an "F-16/P-51 pilot":  Voss flies remote control aircraft.  He had a model F-16 and P-51 as well as some others.  He also insisted that flying R/C aircraft gave you extremely accurate incite into the performance characteristics of planes.  This morphed into "I'm an F-16 pilot" and "I own a P-51"
  • I don't recall seeing Voss claim he had 2 PhDs.  I believe it was something that was said about him in an interview with an on-line gaming magazine.  That said, I distinctly remember that Voss never said anything to correct the error.  I have no idea if he actually told the individual that he had 2 PhDs.  Really, only 2 people in the world know the answer to that one.
  • I don't recall anyone losing money through "investments" other than his partner who gave him some computer hardware.  I honestly believe this aspect of things has been exagerated in vitrolic posts.
  • The brain tumor excuse and scorpion bite excuse were actually from Voss.  From what I've seen to date and given the excellent timing of both, I sincerely believe both were lies.
  • Voss was outed by an actual AFA graduate who actually gave voss the bennifit of the doubt at first then recognized the outright lies in regards to military service and decided enough was enough.
  • Voss did present "screenshots" that weren't actually screenshots of a game but simply generated pictures (from what I have no idea).
  • Voss presented a doctored picture of a P-51/pilot where he superimposed his head over the other pilot's in order to prove he had a P-51.
  • Voss claimed to have a game capable of doing things that everyone wanted in a game at the time and has not shown a single line of the code to anyone.  He still maintains that he "invented" aspects of games that in effect translate to being "more realistic" and thus are actually aparent to anyone that knows anything about combat/aircraft/war.
  • Voss did claim that he was friend with someone at the FBI and was going to turn in people for violating their TOS agreement from the beta test period of TAS.
  • Nobody recieved a single beta copy of TAS to steal secrets from.
Voss started "TAS" on the premise that it would be easy to do something that AW and WB were claiming would be extremely difficult (if not impossible at the time) to do.  He lied to get people to support TAS in doing so.  The "TAS will be able to do this... why can't your game?" slams started rolling into both AW and WB threads and called all the programmers to the mat.  Voss loved every minute of it... since he didn't have to do much other than seed the misconceptions with simple harmless lies.

The lies Voss was telling grew out of control, and Voss (being something of an idiot) didn't know when to throw in his hand and began lieing more... only not little white lies... real whoppers.  But that was OK, because he still had some support from those who simply had to believe that AW and WB programmers had their heads up their tulips and a better world did exist.

It finally snapped when Voss simply took it too far and pissed on the wrong people.  That's when Voss disappeared multiple times... citing multiple reasons.

And here we are... watching Voss claim it is everyone else that has it wrong.  He didn't lie, he didn't defraud, he was not the villain people make him out to be.  There is some level of truth to that, as there was to almost every other lie voss told.  That's the truly sad thing about him: he believes that a part truth is not a lie.

MiniD
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Post by: Arlo on July 13, 2004, 08:37:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by eskimo2
So you are Voss too?

eskimo


They cleave together as one now.
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Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 08:51:11 PM
multiple personalities...

one day i'm voss....other I'm wearin a pink dress thinking i'm Arlo:D
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Post by: Arlo on July 13, 2004, 08:52:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
multiple personalities...

one day i'm voss....other I'm wearin a pink dress thinking i'm Arlo:D


Good .... cause I'd bust you for wearing white at the ceremony, Jethro. :D
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Post by: SLO on July 13, 2004, 08:53:53 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
Good .... cause I'd bust you for wearing white at the ceremony, Jethro. :D



 :rofl
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Post by: ygsmilo on July 13, 2004, 09:05:37 PM
I knew I should have got a copyright on the term: Metavoss
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Post by: Nash on July 13, 2004, 09:06:34 PM
Wow... Well done Deja. That was about as well summed up as I've heard so far. If you haven't hit the nail on the head, I think you've come the closest.
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Post by: Dune on July 13, 2004, 09:10:30 PM
Just wanted to be a part of a Voss thread.  

I can die happy now.
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Post by: nopoop on July 13, 2004, 09:14:02 PM
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
Somebody fill me in here. I think it is pertinent to this thread, and for the sake of the Hornets (and everyone's opinion of them).

How do we KNOW that Voss=Metatron?


Here's something to think about in the way this board works.

WHY hasn't this, OR the OTHER thread been locked down tighter than my aunts love life ??

If you answer that question, you'll have the answer to your question.
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Post by: Orig on July 13, 2004, 09:18:56 PM
Two of the people who "outed" Voss were Robey Price (rowb) and eagl, both of whom followed up Voss' claims of (among other things) being an F-16 pilot in the gulf war.  Not a single one of Voss's claims regarding military service could be verified.  At that point the story pretty much degenerated into much with claims of CIA involvement and the mysterious disappearances.

What people don't understand is that Paul Hinds aka voss aka metatron actively fosters these "online personas" as if they were real virtual people.  Each persona has a life that he is free to create as he wishes and when online he lives these virtual lives just as an everquest gamer lives their lives in the game world.  To "Voss", the entire internet is one big game arena.

This is how he can post two completely different things under two different names, and since each post is consistent with the persona he has created for that name, in his mind it is the "truth" and he is being completely honest.  He sees no difference between the fictional actions of his various personas and the real actions of a real person, and for whatever reason he has chosen to continue filling out the lives of these multiple online persona.

It's all a game to him.  If he did this in "real life", it would be considered a multiple personality disorder.  When it goes out over the internet, it's just a game, the virtual acts of an online persona, no different from when a D&D gamer puts on a gray cloak, walks to a friend's house, and pretends to be eindor the elven mage.

The point here is that any time you deal with any one of Paul Hind's personalities online, you must realize that everything he says is based on a creation in his own mind and has no basis whatsoever in reality beyond the online environment.  If he says he is an F-16 pilot, it's because that particular online persona he assumes is a virtual F-16 pilot.  If he says he owns a P-51, it's because the ficticious character he is playing online owns a ficticious P-51.

The fact that he throws in spurious real world names and events is merely an irritating distraction.  Unlike some other people's online fantasies, at least Voss hasn't actually put real military personnel's lives in jeopardy by dragging real people into his made up world.  His claims, if taken as "real" claims instead of the virtual fantasies they are, just happen to be fairly insulting to actual military members who are actually living the life his pretend characters say they live.  Of course they can't be followed up, of course they can't be proven, because it's all a fantasy he has created.

I'm not sure what to think about how strictly he holds to his online personas, except that the single time I recall him slipping was when he admitted that his F-16 and P-51 were only models.  Other than that, he's been nearly flawless in holding on to his fantasy lives.  Is that sick, or merely irritating?  I suppose that's up to each individual to decide.  What is quite clear and proven years ago however is that no matter who he claims to be at any given time, Voss' claims of military service and game development are pure fantasy, nothing more.

MiniD's summary is fairly correct except that I actually saw the claims of military service and the rapidly degenerating spiral of counterclaims about various conspiracies that led to Robey and eagl doing some research into actual military records.
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Post by: Pongo on July 13, 2004, 09:25:06 PM
Everyone who has read the post from "Ironman" about voss raise their hands..
you cant possibley know what this is about without reading that.
Voss is a WHACKO
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Post by: Morpheus on July 13, 2004, 09:26:22 PM
I think this threads earns the title of many things but one I'm near certain of is the title of most posts  logged in the first day of introduction.
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Post by: Stringer on July 13, 2004, 09:40:45 PM
NEVAR FORGET THE SCORPIAN!!!

SCORPIAN = OUCHIE!!!!



Funked or SOB, is this thread FDB Approval Worthy?
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Post by: Citabria on July 13, 2004, 09:46:25 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Voss
Misconceptions:

4. Conspiracy

Elevating yourself to the level of perpetrator is a new low even for you Cit. Show me your evidence. I seem to have read that you don't have a computer for flying, yet you can stir the pot with photoshop edits. You're pathetically disconnected from the real world. What are you, eighteen years old? You weren't even around in the days of the TAS beta. Pathetic.

5. I'm flying AH today?

Shortly after the 357th dried up (thanks to Citabria's duplicity) I left the game. This had something to do with a divorce and the poverty that I found myself in as a result. Divorce will do that to you. I still think HT should have left the price at $29.95 and the AH community wouldn't be full of the degenerates that it is. Someone is using Voss? Must be a low life indeed. I would suspect Citabria.

6. Citabria is a skilled artist.

The lame truth is he downloaded 3D Studio off of Kazaa. Software piracy is a crime Cit. Welcome to the club of criminals you so merrily degrade.


8. TAS is gone.

TAS, as it was, will never be. The ideas created by ME were stolen and incorporated in games like Aces High, and WWII Online. If any of you were around then (and many of you claim to have been) then you should know this. Which of you broke the agreement of the non-disclosure contract you signed? Oh, wait, Hobutt released you from it, didn't he? You should know a little more about the law then. He doesn't have the right to summarily modify a contractual agreement after the fact.

You continue to attack my handle and name. Yet, in truth you owe me a thanks for all the great ideas without which you would find yourself playing WarBirds to this day. Yes, I believe HT stole my ideas through losers like you.

 


4. my only contribution to this thread is a book cover made in photoshop. the rest is your own actions. you incriminate yourself. I'm 26 and what bothers you is your reputation proceeds you.

5. lol why switch bbs names stop being schizophrenic metavoss your making the same arguments with both your bbs handles while trying to still pretend your not metavoss even after admitting your metavoss. and squads come and go you certainly are quite the squad potato goign form one to the next. and I use fester as in game handle only.

6. your criminal mind metavoss. I payed full retail price for 3dsmax and when htc said it couldnt be used I returned the program for a refund. hence why my b24 project was abandoned. i took 3dsmax off my hard drive.

8. stole your ideas. lol  i guess we would still be playng pong without voss. ht better give voss money for all his contributions... jesus christ metavoss, you are so entrenched in a web of lies and deception that you have no idea what it means to tell the truth about anything. you can't even decide whether or not you believe yourself when you switch bbs handles and one minute parade as who you are then try to backtrack out of it with more deception.
do you not realize how recognizable and exactly the same your writing style is with each handle.

(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/whiner.jpg)
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Post by: Icer on July 13, 2004, 09:54:15 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
saw Slapshot the other day as Bish....you guys goin Bish Icer?


Yes Slo.. it seemed the bish were getting whacked on a steady basis so the group decided to move (again). I really enjoyed being with the Rooks (and the Knights before that) but we want to do what (little) we can to keep things balanced..

Oh, and sneakin up on KillinU tonight was icing.. LOL...

KIDDING!
Killin, and thanks for not seein me and my not-so-in-control BISH P38!

:aok
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Post by: Citabria on July 13, 2004, 09:56:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
I blame the skorpion induced tumor for his forgetting he owned up to being Voss under his Metadufe persona.


lol
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 13, 2004, 10:05:32 PM
Voss's year book  (http://kentridgealumni.bigfatpipe.net/wa/kentridge/1977.html)

An interesting little tidbit
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Post by: Vulcan on July 13, 2004, 10:15:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Voss
Misconceptions:

1. I wasn't a member of the 13th in AH1 or AH2.


Heya Voss, can you confirm deny the Valorian in WW2OL for me? Just put me out of my misery.

And as far I'm concerned this whole thing is just one of those "intardnet" experiences you guys need to get over, Voss cleared my 6 plenty in AH. Guess I'm kinda lucky being geographically isolated that my experiences are limited to your guys in game performance.
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Post by: jameswilsongt on July 13, 2004, 10:51:49 PM
Man, who needs soap operas or the National Inquirer--just read the AH bbs!

Awesome stuff,

Thanks Fester

righty   :)
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Post by: Ack-Ack on July 13, 2004, 10:51:51 PM
Quote
Originally posted by jaxxo
Interesting post...kinda pointless with no proof isnt it? Lotta people takin sides of an unproven issue if ya ask me. When people accuse Fester of cheating isnt the classic Aces High response from fester to "post the film or S*F*"  Seems ironic that this post about fraud and deception comes without a shred of proof. Many people who read the boards dont have extensive history with this isssue. Bashing someone in this degree would surely require some evidence..at least as much as would be expected from calling someone a "cheater" on channel one. Im just sayin.....



Do a Google search for Paul Hinds and Voss and you'll get all the evidence you wish to look at.  You can also do a search for Voss and get pretty much the same stuff.


ack-ack
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Post by: Ack-Ack on July 13, 2004, 10:53:25 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
I have Voss phone number for when I was supposed to fly his brother in law's learjet:D

Who wants it? Starting bid $100:p



You can find that number in any truck stop bathroom stall.


ack-ack
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Post by: airbumba on July 13, 2004, 10:55:12 PM
I couldn't help it. After reading this I phoned a gal I know who's gunna be a REAL Phd. a Psych. I had to tell her about this....she asked, and I cut and pasted all the places she could check out this dudes story.She figures it 's good enough for a paper, next semester.(someting along the lines of how the virtual world has made multiple pesonae more prevalent in RL,and even more accepted )......lol.wtg Voss.


I'll post it after she finishes it, it'll be a while tho.

I hope she makes it....i want some pills.
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Post by: scout on July 13, 2004, 10:55:52 PM
MiniD's summary sounds correct. I remember a number (not all) of MiniD points and disagree with none (not involved with TAS, I also only watched it unravel on the BBS).



Who remembers 'bikeman' / 'onebike' ? Freely from memory impression of 'Onebikes' post:

When Voss was 'dying in cancer' (ca 1997) a bizarre post from a BBS newbie figure calling himself 'onebike' or 'bikeman' appeared. 'Onebike' was bewildered and confused about the allegations made against his friend 'Voss' (somehow apparently he'd found out about the BBS where 'Voss' was being discussed):

He had just visited his friend Paul 'Voss' Hinds at his deathbed.

At Voss's private mansion.

With one (or more) Warbirds parked outside.

Somber sad friends coming to visit (maybe some visiters had flown in in private warbirds).

The impression was the visitors were all succesful professionals from the intelligence community, military  or gaming industry coming to visit their old friend and colleague 'Voss'.

Tears being shed.

'Onebike' didn't dare suggest the preposterous idea that 'Voss' could be a fraud for fear of dropping dead from the contempteous cold stares (or fists) he would have then received from Voss's multiple loyal friends.


'Onebike' was immediately deemed another invented persona by Voss (and never heard from again).
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Post by: B17Skull12 on July 13, 2004, 10:55:52 PM
wow im in a voss thread cool!
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Post by: Citabria on July 13, 2004, 11:00:33 PM
Quote
Originally posted by airbumba
I couldn't help it. After reading this I phoned a gal I know who's gunna be a REAL Phd. a Psych. I had to tell her about this....she asked, and I cut and pasted all the places she could check out this dudes story.She figures it 's good enough for a paper, next semester.(someting along the lines of how the virtual world has made multiple pesonae more prevalent in RL,and even more accepted )......lol.wtg Voss.


I'll post it after she finishes it, it'll be a while tho.

I hope she makes it....i want some pills.


tell her she can use my book cover picture for her paper cover page :)

(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/Voss_story.jpg)
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Post by: Redd on July 13, 2004, 11:07:01 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Mini D
I used to wish people would just drop this whole "Voss/TAS" thing, then Voss started posting on the subject and it became quite clear as to why that should never happen.



And here we are... watching Voss claim it is everyone else that has it wrong.  He didn't lie, he didn't defraud, he was not the villain people make him out to be.  There is some level of truth to that, as there was to almost every other lie voss told.  That's the truly sad thing about him: he believes that a part truth is not a lie.

MiniD




I was also around WB at the time  (Hiya Thun) .

Some squaddies sign up for TAS , none of them made any donations.  I had the paperwork but couldn't be bothered getting it signed and notarized etc


The main person burnt was Hobuss but ....if Robey and eagl had not blown the whistle  more people would have been burnt.

From memory he had mentioned donations.


By now you'd think he would have come up with a way of remembering which BBS handle he was using when he was posting - or maybe the multiple personalities don't communicate too well ... guess that figures
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 13, 2004, 11:13:35 PM
Would anyone be suprised to find out Voss was MrBlack?


That would be a hoot!!
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Post by: Redd on July 13, 2004, 11:13:42 PM
Quote
Originally posted by scout
MiniD's summary sounds correct. I remember a number (not all) of MiniD points and disagree with none (not involved with TAS, I also only watched it unravel on the BBS).



Who remembers 'bikeman' / 'onebike' ? Freely from memory impression of 'Onebikes' post:

When Voss was 'dying in cancer' (ca 1997) a bizarre post from a BBS newbie figure calling himself 'onebike' or 'bikeman' appeared. 'Onebike' was bewildered and confused about the allegations made against his friend 'Voss' (somehow apparently he'd found out about the BBS where 'Voss' was being discussed):

He had just visited his friend Paul 'Voss' Hinds at his deathbed.

At Voss's private mansion.

With one (or more) Warbirds parked outside.

Somber sad friends coming to visit (maybe some visiters had flown in in private warbirds).

The impression was the visitors were all succesful professionals from the intelligence community, military  or gaming industry coming to visit their old friend and colleague 'Voss'.

Tears being shed.

'Onebike' didn't dare suggest the preposterous idea that 'Voss' could be a fraud for fear of dropping dead from the contempteous cold stares (or fists) he would have then received from Voss's multiple loyal friends.


'Onebike' was immediately deemed another invented persona by Voss (and never heard from again).



haha yeah I remember that  ,  by the end it was so embarrassing  to watch someone totally self-destruct like that and still keep making it worse, almost like John Cleese in Fawlty Towers.

 it's pretty funny stuff


Voss and Mr Black should get together over drinks  - the  12 of them could have a great time
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Post by: airbumba on July 13, 2004, 11:16:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
tell her she can use my book cover picture for her paper cover page :)

 


Are u kidding I ain't telling her I KNOW all the psychos in this game, I just came across this....somewhere.  ;)







:lol
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 13, 2004, 11:18:43 PM
airbumba

LOL that was funny!

Is she hot?   :D
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Post by: majic on July 13, 2004, 11:25:49 PM
Thought I'd bring a snack...

(http://www.goodtimeamusements.com/images/popcorn.jpg)



This look interesting...
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Post by: Avenger on July 13, 2004, 11:26:15 PM
Quote
Originally posted by scout
Who remembers 'bikeman' / 'onebike' ? Freely from memory impression of 'Onebikes' post:

When Voss was 'dying in cancer' (ca 1997) a bizarre post from a BBS newbie figure calling himself 'onebike' or 'bikeman' appeared. 'Onebike' was bewildered and confused about the allegations made against his friend 'Voss' (somehow apparently he'd found out about the BBS where 'Voss' was being discussed):

He had just visited his friend Paul 'Voss' Hinds at his deathbed.

At Voss's private mansion.

With one (or more) Warbirds parked outside.

Somber sad friends coming to visit (maybe some visiters had flown in in private warbirds).

The impression was the visitors were all succesful professionals from the intelligence community, military  or gaming industry coming to visit their old friend and colleague 'Voss'.

Tears being shed.

'Onebike' didn't dare suggest the preposterous idea that 'Voss' could be a fraud for fear of dropping dead from the contempteous cold stares (or fists) he would have then received from Voss's multiple loyal friends.


"I spent the night drinking beers with the guys visiting with Paul's family.
I took a lot of notes too. Paul is a legitimate hero whether you care to
accept it or not. The big burly guy I spoke of, "IronMan," was his wingman
in operations all over the world. From what everyone told me Paul was in
violation of security when he spoke with his partner, or Robey, or whoever
got the information first. I don't really know what he said or to who. It
doesn't matter.
  No one would tell me why Paul changed his name. Prior to 1992 there was
no 'Paul Hinds' and why he took that name no one would say. I know what his
family names are, now, and none one of them is 'Hinds' so maybe he had some
other reason. We may never know. He is still 'Paul' to me so I'll keep
refering to him by that name.
  I spoke to a guy who asked that I pass along a few tidbits, just to put
your minds to rest. This comes from the guy that created Medivac, and
Cooperative Ventures training. He was Paul's fathers' roommate in college,
was Paul's fathers' best man, and Paul's father was his best man. They both
served in Korea and Vietnam as Army officers. He knew Paul as a teenager
and then didn't see him again for years until he popped up in a cooperative
venture session as an F-16 jockey. Happy to see an old friend they got
together and talked shop. Finally, it was decided that Paul would leave his
Air Force position and become part of the cooperative ventures team. He
stayed in that position until the government called upon him for some other
duty. It was this duty that saw him shot down, and hurt. Something happened
there that no one wants to discuss.
  It really made Ironman upset to hear it all relayed again, so I have to
guess he was there or is sorry he wasn't.
  So, you may never find actual proof that 'Paul Hinds' was ever in the Air
Force. I submit however that it doesn't matter. Maybe he should have kept
his mouth shut who knows. I have found all the proof I need.
  You should all know as I didn't that this cannot be discussed further via
any electronic means. After the big blowup of Robey's I can't see you
getting the chance to talk with Paul but that's the only way we'll ever
know more.
  I think that's the end of this discussion for me.

  I will add though that all of these guys, legitimate military, stated
that any guy that claims he's speaking for the 'honor' of the military
personnel of the world, is full of ****. Most military *******s are scum or
bums. I don't believe the Paul I know fits either category.

John "OneMan" Birkes"

"This will be an abbreviated version of a very long day.
  I went to visit with Paul this morning. I couldn't get in to see him.
They're only letting family in so I made yet another visit to his home. To
my surprise there were tons of visitors packing every corner of the house.
There were a lot of warbirds  parked outside of his hangar. Some of them I
didn't recognize but most were WWII types I think. I felt very out of place
but Shelley's friend Kathy wouldn't let me leave. She grabbed my arm and
used me like a crutch to get back to the rec. room.
  I waited for about an hour while no one showed me any interest and then
went back outside. One really big guy was holding a wall up until I walked
out and then he stopped me and asked how I knew Paul. I told him. He told
me that Paul helped him hunt down his plane and then put him in touch with
someone that could do maintenance on it.
  I asked him how many of the people in the house he knew and he said
almost all of them. So, where did Paul meet them?
  "From the military. Cooperative ventures (?) most of them." Huh?
  So I related the entire story about the events of recent days. He looks
at me like I'm an idiot and says, "Christ!" He looked really mad and I was
getting scared. Finally I worked up the courage to ask him if Paul had been
in the Air Force. He looks at me with wet eyes and says, "You're not Air
Force so I know he didn't tell you that."
  Then there's a long pause.
  "His family has been flying since World War One. Someone in his family
was the number two ace from that war. He lived in Arkansas too. His
grandfather was a blacksheep after the real blacksheep were gone. Also from
Arkansas. Two or three members of his family flew in Vietnam. None of them
can compare to what he's done. None of them." That's nearly an exact quote.
  I was trying to think of a way out of there when he grabbed me and says,
"Have you ever noticed him shake when he gets excited? I mean his hands
really start to tremble. Like when there's nothing there to make him act
that way? It's adrenalin. Makes him shake something fierce. He can even be
smiling and real happy but he shakes like he's scared to death? Gee, I
wonder how come?"
  Then he escorts me back into the house and we all sat down and had beers
till there were no more of them. No one talked about the military. No one
talked about death or dying. When we heard about the Oklahoma case decision
nearly every one of them said, "Damn right!" and then moved into the
hangar.
  I bet they're all still there polishing the Mustang.
  So maybe I'm confused. Maybe he lied to you. Maybe not. I still don't
know for sure.
  For some reason he has a lot of very loyal friends.
  Until he gets well, or passes on, I don't think I want to ask anymore
questions. He deserves better. I believe that.

JOB"
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Post by: Octavius on July 13, 2004, 11:27:49 PM
I think this thread and this thread alone can unite flight simmers everywhere, regardless of game or company allegiance. :D :D  I find it fascinating just reading over the thread and watching all the relatively 'ancient' names come out of the woodwork.
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Post by: Redd on July 13, 2004, 11:33:25 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Avenger
"I spent the night drinking beers with the guys visiting with Paul's family.
I took a lot of notes too. Paul is a legitimate hero whether you care to
accept it or not. The big burly guy I

  I will add though that all of these guys, legitimate military, stated
that any guy that claims he's speaking for the 'honor' of the military
personnel of the world, is full of ****. Most military *******s are scum or
bums. I don't believe the Paul I know fits either category.

John "OneMan" Birkes"




According to Voss  "oneman" is the brother of a really good friend of his

another google snip  ( he must really hate google)

this is cracking me up all over again - very funny stuff in here


Re:Voss has survived cancer and is back at work

John,

  I don't recall corresponding with you on any of this. However, it is
obvious that you align yourself against me. Saddle up and come hunt me. I'll
enjoy eating your heart while I ping the crud out of your defenders.

  Desert Storm? You are referring to comments made to boaster an online
persona (and they were made by my partner). Yeah, I eat babies too. Come get
some. When Falcon 3 (egad I'll regret saying that) was big, I trashed a lot
of so called A.F. maggots. So what, a lot of 13yr. old dweebs can say the
same. Check the posts on the BBS. I NEVER posted anything about a military
career. Sure, there were things said elsewhere. So what? It only helped to
boaster the fear online. Get over it. You act like an inbred on a witch
hunt. Are you really stuck on yourself that bad?

  This thread went so far (in posts over a year ago) to suggest that I had
made comments about SR 71's and all manner of nonsense (T-38, etc.). Man,
the hemp must be flowing out there somewhere! LOL! At the time I thought
this was attributable to the numerous people using the name Voss. Anymore, I
think it was a collective of people just like you, sipping your drinks and
escalating the hatred. You must have no life.

  Peoples suggestions? I think you need to back the wagon up and regroup.
TAS was my intellectual property from the very beginning. I didn't see you
take any part in it, until the hate mongers latched on. So, your alignment
and feeling on this issue are well known. It isn't going to stop me from
making legitimate efforts in this area, so save your breath. I was asked how
I was handling certain details in TAS. I answered. Now I see my ideas
showing up in games. Hmm... wonder where the leak was? As I said, forgotten.
TAS is dead. Actually, it was finished over a year ago. Hobutt's lawyer
forbid its release. So, I'll have to raise money along another venue in
order to battle it out with him. I'll win.

  You see, I never released anyone from the NDA. But, forgotten. As long as
he doesn't rear his ugly head, no problem.

  My current partner is well of aware of, and in fact took part in, the TAS
debacle (as an unwilling participant). Stiff who? My last partner bailed
when I became ill. He never supported the project enough to see it to the
end. I require $35,000/yr just to survive. To survive and maintain an edge
on technology requires much more. Ask any software company out there if they
could produce on $11,000. Nope? Didn't think so. I spent $11,000 in software
easy. I bought eight computers, because the local University does not allow
their equipment to be used for commercial efforts. I paid for it, not my
partner. Our agreement was that he was the financier, not me. So this
arguement goes no where.

  Would you saddle up with a drunkard who nightly spits vile and hatred to
potential customers? Obviously you would, since it suits your personality.
He needed to go. Good riddance.

  As to the scorpion thing. If you think that wasn't real, I feel sorry for
you. I heard that a lot of people suggested that scorpions are not even in
Arkansas. Wrong. Check it out braniac. Yes, cancer patients undergo strains
upon their immune systems. All it took was a single stinger, from a scorpion
long dead, to nearly kill me. It didn't kill me, and I doubt your hatred
will penetrate deeply either.

  Nope, zero penetration.

  This only helps to provide evidence that you have tried to funnel every
event against me, rather then accept it as the natural flow of events. Man,
I bet you yell at cars in traffic too.

  John Birkes is the brother of a very good friend of mine. Yep, real and
all. I asked him to use the company computer (yes the one Hobutt supplied)
to keep up on things and to keep me informed (as I was obviously not going
to be around for awhile). John and I had our differences. He's gone now.
Suffer. Even suggesting that I round up verification for you would be
childish John, and I would expect more of someone in your position. I'm not
asking for trust. I'm not asking for money. I asked for everyone to come by
and check on our progress. I suggest you refrain from further tirades, or
you might miss out on something you would really like to see. Well, it's
obvious you don't care to see me succeed. I'll rub it in when I do.

  I have heard a lot of crud about so many issues surrounding this. It is so
much crap. My main detractor even suggested that I don't exist at all! Man,
you two have got it bad (and I use the term 'Man' loosely)! Well, Loser
Detractor has talked to everyone in the area he could reach (not realizing
that the area is small and that everyone would inform me) and still he
doubts I am even real. Nah, this message is the result of a cleverly written
virus present on your system alone. (Dweeb).

 Contrary to your snotty and single minded opinion, there are a lot of good
souls out there that do not suffer from your black heartedness. You have to
carry that burden, so keep it to yourself. Do it now. Further rants will
only make you look stupid.

  I still have the trust of my wing, my wife and family, my partner, and
many more people that have corresponded with me throughout my illness. To
them I say thank you. Their thoughts and prayers will, in the end, see this
thing through. Without their support I may very well have perished. I won't
let them down.

  Now, I'm too busy for this NG crud. You won't fnd my email address
attached, as I don't eat spam, I won't take the time to correspond with you,
and I don't need the three-hundred emails I was getting with TAS (daily).
You are not the only virtual pilot out there and really I don't care what
you think. When you die, and if I am as well (without having produced a
flight sim, game, or anything useful), you will have the last laugh.

  Until then shut up and sit down, stupid.

  I'm off to work. Once I'm back on WB look me up. Bring friends. You'll
need them.

Paul "Voss" Hinds
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: NUKE on July 13, 2004, 11:33:42 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Avenger
"I spent the night drinking beers with the guys visiting with Paul's family.
I took a lot of notes too. Paul is a legitimate hero whether you care to
accept it or not. The big burly guy I spoke of, "IronMan," was his wingman
in operations all over the world. From what everyone told me Paul was in
violation of security when he spoke with his partner, or Robey, or whoever
got the information first. I don't really know what he said or to who. It
doesn't matter.
  No one would tell me why Paul changed his name. Prior to 1992 there was
no 'Paul Hinds' and why he took that name no one would say. I know what his
family names are, now, and none one of them is 'Hinds' so maybe he had some
other reason. We may never know. He is still 'Paul' to me so I'll keep
refering to him by that name.
  I spoke to a guy who asked that I pass along a few tidbits, just to put
your minds to rest. This comes from the guy that created Medivac, and
Cooperative Ventures training. He was Paul's fathers' roommate in college,
was Paul's fathers' best man, and Paul's father was his best man. They both
served in Korea and Vietnam as Army officers. He knew Paul as a teenager
and then didn't see him again for years until he popped up in a cooperative
venture session as an F-16 jockey. Happy to see an old friend they got
together and talked shop. Finally, it was decided that Paul would leave his
Air Force position and become part of the cooperative ventures team. He
stayed in that position until the government called upon him for some other
duty. It was this duty that saw him shot down, and hurt. Something happened
there that no one wants to discuss.
  It really made Ironman upset to hear it all relayed again, so I have to
guess he was there or is sorry he wasn't.
  So, you may never find actual proof that 'Paul Hinds' was ever in the Air
Force. I submit however that it doesn't matter. Maybe he should have kept
his mouth shut who knows. I have found all the proof I need.
  You should all know as I didn't that this cannot be discussed further via
any electronic means. After the big blowup of Robey's I can't see you
getting the chance to talk with Paul but that's the only way we'll ever
know more.
  I think that's the end of this discussion for me.

  I will add though that all of these guys, legitimate military, stated
that any guy that claims he's speaking for the 'honor' of the military
personnel of the world, is full of ****. Most military *******s are scum or
bums. I don't believe the Paul I know fits either category.

John "OneMan" Birkes"

"This will be an abbreviated version of a very long day.
  I went to visit with Paul this morning. I couldn't get in to see him.
They're only letting family in so I made yet another visit to his home. To
my surprise there were tons of visitors packing every corner of the house.
There were a lot of warbirds  parked outside of his hangar. Some of them I
didn't recognize but most were WWII types I think. I felt very out of place
but Shelley's friend Kathy wouldn't let me leave. She grabbed my arm and
used me like a crutch to get back to the rec. room.
  I waited for about an hour while no one showed me any interest and then
went back outside. One really big guy was holding a wall up until I walked
out and then he stopped me and asked how I knew Paul. I told him. He told
me that Paul helped him hunt down his plane and then put him in touch with
someone that could do maintenance on it.
  I asked him how many of the people in the house he knew and he said
almost all of them. So, where did Paul meet them?
  "From the military. Cooperative ventures (?) most of them." Huh?
  So I related the entire story about the events of recent days. He looks
at me like I'm an idiot and says, "Christ!" He looked really mad and I was
getting scared. Finally I worked up the courage to ask him if Paul had been
in the Air Force. He looks at me with wet eyes and says, "You're not Air
Force so I know he didn't tell you that."
  Then there's a long pause.
  "His family has been flying since World War One. Someone in his family
was the number two ace from that war. He lived in Arkansas too. His
grandfather was a blacksheep after the real blacksheep were gone. Also from
Arkansas. Two or three members of his family flew in Vietnam. None of them
can compare to what he's done. None of them." That's nearly an exact quote.
  I was trying to think of a way out of there when he grabbed me and says,
"Have you ever noticed him shake when he gets excited? I mean his hands
really start to tremble. Like when there's nothing there to make him act
that way? It's adrenalin. Makes him shake something fierce. He can even be
smiling and real happy but he shakes like he's scared to death? Gee, I
wonder how come?"
  Then he escorts me back into the house and we all sat down and had beers
till there were no more of them. No one talked about the military. No one
talked about death or dying. When we heard about the Oklahoma case decision
nearly every one of them said, "Damn right!" and then moved into the
hangar.
  I bet they're all still there polishing the Mustang.
  So maybe I'm confused. Maybe he lied to you. Maybe not. I still don't
know for sure.
  For some reason he has a lot of very loyal friends.
  Until he gets well, or passes on, I don't think I want to ask anymore
questions. He deserves better. I believe that.

JOB"


LOL!!!!! and isn't it IRONIC that a ONE post NEWBIE just happened to re-post this? :lol

LOL Voss, you take the cake.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: NUKE on July 13, 2004, 11:36:12 PM
Voss is the internet loser of the last century and is working on the new century. :lol
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Avenger on July 13, 2004, 11:40:09 PM
"No TAS is not about to hit the streets. Just an UNOFFICIAL update.

Most are aware of *reports* that Paul Hinds is ill with brain cancer.
What most don't know is Paul Hinds is taking a great deal of "heat" from
folks like me that challenge his credentials and his credibility.

This challenge to Paul's "bona fides" has spread over the TAS Beta team
and over at Argo's "alt.games.warbirds" BBS (it's actually web page).
Some folks have called me a... uh well you can imagine what they called
me. Heretic comes to mind, but that wasn't their choice of words. As a
side-effect of this **** storm, Mike "Pagan" Hobuss has been forced to
make the TAS BBS a read only Forum. And all offensive posts have been
removed.

For those not in the loop, here is a short version.

Paul's Claims:

1) Went to the US Air Force Academy
2) Flew F-16s
3) Shotdown 2 (not just one) Iraqis
4) Was wounded when shot down by AAA fire
5) Owns a P-51
6) Has 3 PhDs (Astro, Aero, and Electro Engineering I think)

So early in May I got a "heads up" warning from a WB player (real life
USN Hornet Pilot) suggesting that Paul might be a pretender. This WBer
suggested I verify Paul's claims. This Hornet Driver included some wild
claims for me to check. I did attempt to verify the items I found
questionable to me as a former F-16 pilot.

So here is my position:

1) My beef with Paul Hinds IS ONLY about his claims dealing with
attending the USAFA, flying F-16s, shooting down two Iraqis, and being
shotdown himself. No offense intended...this may not be a big deal
to non-fighter pilots. This is a very big deal to real fighter pilots.

2) His veracity WRT having three PhDs and owning his own P-51 are NOT
issues with me. Are they true? Don't know, don't care.

3) The only claim Paul made to me was that he also flew F-16s. The other
claims he made to his partner Mike Hobuss, and to other folks. How do I
know that? Another ex-AF type in the Beta is also a free-lance computer
gaming magazine writer. Both Paul and Mike mentioned Paul's Iraqi kills
during an interview (will not appear in the interview).

4) I got a "heads up" warning from another real deal military aviator
(Hornet pilot), who had been warned by a Army guy that supposedly has
known Paul for years. So I started checking with my F-16 buds and USAFA
Grads.

I have no "beef" with Mike Hobuss. The resources I used were fellow F-16
pilots, USAFA Grads (I'm not one), "eagl" from WB who is a F-15E pilot
over in the sand box right now, an organization of real life fighter
pilots (Red River Valley Fighter Pilots Association) and a current F-16
Sqdn Commander (LTC Phil Ruhlman) who flew combat over Iraq.

Bottom Line?

I claim that Paul Hinds DID NOT go to the USAFA from 1977-79 as he
claimed. I claim that Paul Hinds NEVER flew F-16s. I claim that Paul
Hinds NEVER flew in combat, NEVER shot down anybody, and NEVER took
battle damage from AAA much less get shot down by it.

Robey (Major USAFRes)
Former Viper Pilot"

Im not voss. I hate his guts. Im just making sure no one revises any history. Anyone have a place I can post some pics?
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Avenger on July 13, 2004, 11:42:50 PM
And skywolf wherever you are you rocked. :)

"On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:06:34 -0600, "Voss"
wrote:

why make the spam stand up?

>

And cause it would suck to prove yet again, that he was right.


>
>John,
>
>  I don't recall corresponding with you on any of this. However, it is
>obvious that you align yourself against me. Saddle up and come hunt me. I'll
>enjoy eating your heart while I ping the crud out of your defenders.

Eat this... it's a big pile of the bull**** you served up LAST time.

> . So what? It only helped to
>boaster the fear online.


Nobody ever gave a **** about you online Paul.


> Get over it. You act like an inbred on a witch
>hunt. Are you really stuck on yourself that bad?

Voss = Pot = black kettle.

>
>  This thread went so far (in posts over a year ago) to suggest that I had
>made comments about SR 71's and all manner of nonsense (T-38, etc.). Man,
>the hemp must be flowing out there somewhere! LOL! At the time I thought
>this was attributable to the numerous people using the name Voss. Anymore, I
>think it was a collective of people just like you, sipping your drinks and
>escalating the hatred. You must have no life.


He seems a lot busier than you dude.


>TAS was my intellectual property from the very beginning.

4  .jpgs and a load of crap does not intellectual property make. And
the part about landing the plane, stealing a jeep, zipping into town
and spending the night fornicating with a hooker or two was MY idea.


> I didn't see you
>take any part in it, until the hate mongers latched on. So, your alignment
>and feeling on this issue are well known.

Yeah well...... I was one of your staunchest supporters from the
beginning..... so tell me, what's MY motive?


> It isn't going to stop me from
>making legitimate efforts in this area, so save your breath. I was asked how
>I was handling certain details in TAS. I answered. Now I see my ideas
>showing up in games. >? Hmm... wonder where the leak was?

Your dual purpose masticating anus.


> As I said, forgotten.
>TAS is dead.

when did it live?


> Actually, it was finished over a year ago. Hobutt's lawyer
>forbid its release. So, I'll have to raise money along another venue in
>order to battle it out with him. I'll win.

Yeah, that's a *****. His lawyer also forbade me from releasing my
game, the Pamela Anderson boob grab game. It was killer.....really.

>
>  You see, I never released anyone from the NDA. But, forgotten. As long as
>he doesn't rear his ugly head, no problem.

Hahahahahahaha.....


>
>  My current partner is well of aware of, and in fact took part in, the TAS
>debacle (as an unwilling participant).

A bent over participant.

> Stiff who?


exactly.


> My last partner bailed
>when I became ill. He never supported the project enough to see it to the
>end. I require $35,000/yr just to survive. To survive and maintain an edge
>on technology requires much more. Ask any software company out there if they
>could produce on $11,000. Nope? Didn't think so. I spent $11,000 in software
>easy. I bought eight computers, because the local University does not allow
>their equipment to be used for commercial efforts. I paid for it, not my
>partner. Our agreement was that he was the financier, not me. So this
>arguement goes no where.

I'm pretty sure  it goes somewhere. Or maybe it just comes outta
somewhere........

>
>  Would you saddle up with a drunkard who nightly spits vile and hatred to
>potential customers? Obviously you would, since it suits your personality.
>He needed to go. Good riddance.

what's this brown stuff all over my shoes?

>
>  As to the scorpion thing. If you think that wasn't real, I feel sorry for
>you. I heard that a lot of people suggested that scorpions are not even in
>Arkansas. Wrong. Check it out braniac.

I was bitten by a Gemini once. I told her.. NO MORE TEETH.


> Yes, cancer patients undergo strains
>upon their immune systems.

Actually... it's the Chemo.

> All it took was a single stinger, from a scorpion
>long dead, to nearly kill me. It didn't kill me,

I once, out west,  had a burro sneeze on me through my car window .
Now THAT almost killed me.

> and I doubt your hatred
>will penetrate deeply either.
>

Holy dung pile BATMAN.... now that brown stuff is up to my waist.

>  Nope, zero penetration.

said Voss' wife.

>
>  This only helps to provide evidence that you have tried to funnel every
>event against me, rather then accept it as the natural flow of events.

Flow WOULD be the optimal word here. Lots of FLOW.


> Man,
>I bet you yell at cars in traffic too.

Only when some dick on a car phone is driving like a scorpion just bit
him and made him fail to deliver on a butt load of promises.

>
>  John Birkes is the brother of a very good friend of mine. Yep, real and
>all. I asked him to use the company computer (yes the one Hobutt supplied)
>to keep up on things and to keep me informed (as I was obviously not going
>to be around for awhile). John and I had our differences. He's gone now.
>Suffer. Even suggesting that I round up verification for you would be
>childish

And of course, impossible.....but that doesn't sound as good.


>John, and I would expect more of someone in your position. I'm not
>asking for trust. I'm not asking for money. I asked for everyone to come by
>and check on our progress.

Oh... I will. I need more screens shots of non existant product.

> I suggest you refrain from further tirades, or
>you might miss out on something you would really like to see. Well, it's
>obvious you don't care to see me succeed. I'll rub it in when I do.

I think you need to do a lot less "rubbing".


>
>  I have heard a lot of crud about so many issues surrounding this. It is so
>much crap. My main detractor even suggested that I don't exist at all! Man,
>you two have got it bad (and I use the term 'Man' loosely)! Well, Loser
>Detractor has talked to everyone in the area he could reach (not realizing
>that the area is small and that everyone would inform me) and still he
>doubts I am even real. Nah, this message is the result of a cleverly written
>virus present on your system alone. (Dweeb).


No... we know you exist. Well.......sort of. It IS amazing how much
time you spend addressing the issues YOU BRING UP.


>
> Contrary to your snotty and single minded opinion, there are a lot of good
>souls out there that do not suffer from your black heartedness.

that's because they don't know you.

> You have to
>carry that burden,

Hand me some... I'd rather carry his burden than scrape yours off the
bottom of my squealing shoes.

> so keep it to yourself. Do it now. Further rants will
>only make you look stupid.

wanna bet?


>
>  I still have the trust of my sheep, my  wing, my wife and family, my partner, and
>many more people that have corresponded with me throughout my illness. To
>them I say thank you. Their thoughts and prayers will, in the end, see this
>thing through. Without their support I may very well have perished.

Oh..... so it's THEIR fault.

> I won't
>let them down.

I KNEW IT!
I  KNEW all those people who died of cancer just didn't try hard
enough. *******. If my grandma wasn't dead I'd kick her bellybutton for being
such a wuss. Thanks for clearing that up Paulo.


>
>  Now, I'm too busy for this NG crud. You won't fnd my email address
>attached,

Oh THERE'S a big surprise.


>as I don't eat spam, I won't take the time to correspond with you,
>and I don't need the three-hundred emails I was getting with TAS (daily).
>You are not the only virtual pilot out there and really I don't care what
>you think. When you die, and if I am as well (without having produced a
>flight sim, game, or anything useful), you will have the last laugh.

Uh oh.... I ALREADY laughed.  You have to die now.

>
>  Until then shut up and sit down, stupid.

Make me you big flight sim meanie. I'm still waiting for those
pictures of you in your P51. You know.. the REAL one that you fly when
you are not saving the world from the Iraqi menace.

>
>  I'm off to work. Once I'm back on WB look me up. Bring friends. You'll
>need them.

He CAN. He HAS friends.

>
>Paul "Voss" Hinds
>
>

Never did I think you'd have the balls to try this again.

Love,

Mac
SkyWolf's Lair  WWII Combat Aircraft Image Archive
http://www.skywolf.com
SkyWolf@skywolf.com
ICQ# 2750452"
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Octavius on July 13, 2004, 11:43:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by NUKE
LOL!!!!! and isn't it IRONIC that a ONE post NEWBIE just happened to re-post this? :lol

LOL Voss, you take the cake.


I think you missed the bus on that one ;)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: NUKE on July 13, 2004, 11:46:40 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Octavius
I think you missed the bus on that one ;)


well, hey....I missed a lot of buses....but there's always another arriving in a few minutes :)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: DrDea on July 13, 2004, 11:47:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
yep... the whole saga is just so over the top unbelievable that you can't help but despise the man in his total dishonesty...

since he is not the least repentant then I would say that a sqaud that embraces and defends him is pretty strange and comprised of pretty strange folk.

I have talked to 13th guys and when they found out about voss they were disgusted and repeled.   A normal reaction... none of them would knowingly have anything to do with an unrepentant voss in my opinion from talking to them.

lazs


  I cant believe Im behind Laz in this but there it is.The whole silence from HT on this and the general discussion just says it all to those that dont get it.Voss is ostricised everytime he pokes his scumbag head up.Were obligated to wack it so others dont fall for the same thing that past VICTIMS fell for.I think the HT stance on this is clear.Never forget,never forgive.  FU voss.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Capt. Pork on July 13, 2004, 11:48:49 PM
This is ridiculous.

I think it's time for people to start proving they aren't Voss. Seems like an easier task.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Octavius on July 13, 2004, 11:49:42 PM
are you kidding?  This is great.  I think I'm going to start selling Voss Thread t-shirts and mugs.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: DrDea on July 13, 2004, 11:52:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Edbert MOL
Somebody fill me in here. I think it is pertinent to this thread, and for the sake of the Hornets (and everyone's opinion of them).

How do we KNOW that Voss=Metatron?

Because if it is not proven we could be slandering a player unjustly. If it is proven, then as Lazs said...the ball is in the Hornet's court.


  This piece of crap NEVER said he wasnt.He knows better.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: DrDea on July 13, 2004, 11:57:05 PM
Quote
Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
whatever guys, this thread is childish

and it seems it never stops.


  And with any justice in the world it never will.How would YOU feel investing major$ into Vosses Vaporware?And being screwed.I think you would be in on the 6 month Voss shuffle.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: GtoRA2 on July 14, 2004, 12:02:58 AM
The only way this thread could get better is if Mrblack showed up and started making sniper clames, and then Metavoss could argue with him and all their other IDs could chip in, it would be fantastic!!
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: GtoRA2 on July 14, 2004, 12:03:43 AM
Did Voss ever post badly photoshopped Government  forms to show he was a f16 pilot?
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Avenger on July 14, 2004, 12:04:15 AM
(http://www.filenote.com/redir/15986.jpg)

(http://www.filenote.com/redir/15987.jpg)

(http://www.filenote.com/redir/15989.jpg)

My pal Jake. Fought the good fight against the big c and lost. I guess he just didnt have vosses determination. Not. F-O-A-D voss.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Redd on July 14, 2004, 12:07:09 AM
This one's pretty funny. Voss  posting as John "oneman" Birkes  but forgetting who he was.


http://groups.google.com.au/groups?q=author:oneman%40nwark.com&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=01bc9b99%24fdeb7760%2472e361ce%40default&rnum=2


hmm links no good







From: John \"OneMan\" Birkes (oneman@nwark.com)
Subject: Re: Rendering Thunderstorms (HELP)
View: Complete Thread (3 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.rendering.raytr acing
Date: 1997/07/28

Hmmmm, I believe I used a halo to create a few, but it has been some time
ago.

- Paul

Michael Wright wrote in article
<01bc99b2$9e9aba20$22a95f82@wright>...
: Does anyone have any idea how to render a realistic thunderstorm or storm
: cloud structure with Povray for Windows.
:
: I know you can do some good looking clouds with textures and sky_spheres
: but if you have ever had a close look at a thunderstorm, it just doesn't
: look like that.
:
: I believe that cumulo-nimbus clouds are responsible for storms, you know
: the big fluffy dark blue/gray clouds. They have their own form and
: structure and I don't think you can use a Povray Sky sphere for this, do
: prove me wrong.
:
: I thought perhaps some sort of blob structure would do but it would have to
: be algoriythmically generated.
:
: Thanking in advance, Michael Wright
:
: /*
: Michael Wright
:
: email: michaelw@nospam.tartarus.uwa.edu.au (remove nospam)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Octavius on July 14, 2004, 12:09:41 AM
Incase anyone missed this thread (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99776), here's a neat little comparison.  Merely a fart in this massive dump of a story.

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/52_1089781618_voss.jpg)
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Post by: Avenger on July 14, 2004, 12:12:50 AM
(http://www.filenote.com/redir/15990.jpg)

Nathan White. Navy pilot killed in action over Iraq.

(http://www.filenote.com/redir/15992.jpg)

Whites surviving family a wife daughter and 2 sons at his funeral. If only hed been as hot a pilot as voss. Not.

(http://www.filenote.com/redir/15994.jpg)

Whites daughter crying at funeral. Passing yourself off as a hero fighter pilot ever weight on the conscience?
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Post by: Citabria on July 14, 2004, 12:18:24 AM
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Originally posted by Avenger
My pal Jake. Fought the good fight against the big c and lost. I guess he just didnt have vosses determination. Not. F-O-A-D voss. [/B]

im suspicious of this avenger character
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Post by: Octavius on July 14, 2004, 12:21:01 AM
um, I'm reading that just the opposite Cita... meaning a slap in the face to TRUE cancer patients, TRUE pilots shotdown / killed in action.

FOAD means something ya know.... :cool:

of course I might be smoking crack...and i dont mean the rock.
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Post by: DrDea on July 14, 2004, 12:21:53 AM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
So HT stole the idea for AH from Voss?  Now this is really getting good.

I'll give 3-1 that Voss argues with Metadork before this thread is locked.


:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 14, 2004, 12:24:51 AM
I don't think Avenger is Voss, he seems to not like him much, if he was that would be REALLY weird.
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Post by: Avenger on July 14, 2004, 12:33:02 AM
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Originally posted by Citabria
oh my god can you believe this? Voss posing as avenger after being caught wide open for making blatent false identities and here comes Voss aka avenger saying how great voss is with this distraction cancer boy sideshow. I mean holy crap this is not just some borderline personality disorder hes got... he reaallly is NUTS!


I am not voss. I have never flown f16s for the cia or any other group including the bavarian illuminati. I have never shot down any migs. I do not own any p51s and if I did I would sell them for a trophy wife and several super fast cars with super bad milage. I despise voss. Posing as a member of the military is low. Posing as a combat vet is lower still. Trying to dodge out of your lies by faking cancer so people feel sorry for you is beyond low. I think fair punishment would be the removal of 1 sqare cm of skin for every military pilot who ever died on the job and 1 for everyone who ever died from cancer. Call me "Merciful Avenger" if you think the title fits.
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 14, 2004, 12:37:05 AM
Avenger,
 I really do not think your Voss, but since you do not post here much, how did you find this thread?
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Post by: NUKE on July 14, 2004, 12:41:42 AM
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Originally posted by Avenger
I am not voss. I have never flown f16s for the cia or any other group including the bavarian illuminati. I have never shot down any migs. I do not own any p51s and if I did I would sell them for a trophy wife and several super fast cars with super bad milage. I despise voss. Posing as a member of the military is low. Posing as a combat vet is lower still. Trying to dodge out of your lies by faking cancer so people feel sorry for you is beyond low. I think fair punishment would be the removal of 1 sqare cm of skin for every military pilot who ever died on the job and 1 for everyone who ever died from cancer. Call me "Merciful Avenger" if you think the title fits.


You just confirmed to me that you are Voss.
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Post by: Avenger on July 14, 2004, 12:43:12 AM
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Avenger,
 I really do not think your Voss, but since you do not post here much, how did you find this thread?


The comment about bringing the community together right. Anytime voss is mentioned its a gurantee that old ck pals drop a line to each other. Call it the flightsim version of "that child molester tried to move back into the neighborhood witouh registering AGAIN". Someone told me to check out the wwiionline thread about valorian and the hilarious picture in this thread. So I did.
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Post by: NUKE on July 14, 2004, 12:44:26 AM
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Originally posted by Avenger
The comment about bringing the community together right. Anytime voss is mentioned its a gurantee that old ck pals drop a line to each other. Call it the flightsim version of "that child molester tried to move back into the neighborhood witouh registering AGAIN". Someone told me to check out the wwiionline thread about valorian and the hilarious picture in this thread. So I did.


wow, double confirmed that you are Voss! LOL, what a joker
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Post by: Citabria on July 14, 2004, 12:45:45 AM
dude avengers syntax grammar and writign style is identical to voss/metatron.

I'm just scared now because if it is him there are some guys in white coats that need to make a professional visit to mr paul hinds house.
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Post by: airbumba on July 14, 2004, 12:45:47 AM
We gotta find Bloodninja and sick him on Vos/Metatron.....I'm gunna try and find him,lol.


:eek:
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Post by: Avenger on July 14, 2004, 12:51:17 AM
Wait a second. Do you guys really think that I am voss? If so then why? Explain my evil ploy. What is my angle for calling myself a totally worthless piece of sheet human being?
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Post by: airbumba on July 14, 2004, 12:52:07 AM
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Originally posted by Citabria
dude avengers syntax grammar and writign style is identical to voss/metatron.

I'm just scared now because if it is him there are some guys in white coats that need to make a professional visit to mr paul hinds house.



OMFG, you think so?  That'd be tooo weird, and bad karma.


I work as a volunteer sometimes at my ma's hospital, and this is just plain old bad karma ,BAD karma dude.  




:(
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Post by: airbumba on July 14, 2004, 12:53:41 AM
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Originally posted by Avenger
Wait a second. Do you guys really think that I am voss? If so then why? Explain my evil ploy. What is my angle for calling myself a totally worthless piece of sheet human being?



Answer the question....why u here? where u from? How'd you know about this story?
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 14, 2004, 12:54:55 AM
Maybe so you can get some insta cred in the comunity and then have evidence you are not Voss?


You could be MrBlack too...


Can you hit a fleas bellybutton at 500 yards on a windy day with a blow gun?


Would you sleep with Stevie Rayvon if he was alive? What about if he wasnt?

:D :D :D
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Post by: NUKE on July 14, 2004, 12:55:05 AM
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Originally posted by Avenger
Wait a second. Do you guys really think that I am voss? If so then why? Explain my evil ploy. What is my angle for calling myself a totally worthless piece of sheet human being?


LOL!

explain why you first ever post was on this subject that you profess to know so much about.

You are a joke Voss.
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Post by: Citabria on July 14, 2004, 12:55:50 AM
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Originally posted by Avenger
Wait a second. Do you guys really think that I am voss? If so then why? Explain my evil ploy. What is my angle for calling myself a totally worthless piece of sheet human being?


it's your suppressed concience voss. you cant conciously appologize for what you have doen so you create a new persona to berate yourself for you transgressions. theres some freudian term for it but it escapes me.
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Post by: Avenger on July 14, 2004, 12:57:50 AM
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Originally posted by airbumba
Answer the question....why u here? where u from? How'd you know about this story?


I know about the story because I played wb when the whole deal went down. I have pals who play ah who also played wb at that time. voss is legendary. What wb player at the time doesnt know about voss? Keep in mind Im not offended only amused and puzzled. I really dont understand why someone would think that I am voss. I thought I made it clear that he is a unrepentant piece of sheet and that what he did is not something you brush under the carpet just because a couple of years have passed.
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Post by: Octavius on July 14, 2004, 12:58:06 AM
sorry Nuke, I missed the bus :D
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Post by: Avenger on July 14, 2004, 12:59:05 AM
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Originally posted by NUKE
LOL!

explain why you first ever post was on this subject that you profess to know so much about.

You are a joke Voss.


Because I hate voss and I heard about the thread and you have to register to post here. Its really that simple. Why is it again that you think I am voss?
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Post by: Avenger on July 14, 2004, 01:00:28 AM
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Originally posted by Octavius
sorry Nuke, I missed the bus :D


No, you really didnt. This whole thing is kind of funny though.
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Post by: NUKE on July 14, 2004, 01:02:06 AM
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Originally posted by Avenger
Because I hate voss and I heard about the thread and you have to register to post here. Its really that simple. Why is it again that you think I am voss?


HAHAHAHHAHA!

What joke you are Voss!
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Post by: NUKE on July 14, 2004, 01:03:16 AM
By the way Voss,I really did have cancer.......
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Post by: airbumba on July 14, 2004, 01:04:36 AM
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Originally posted by Citabria
it's your suppressed concience voss. you cant conciously appologize for what you have doen so you create a new persona to berate yourself for you transgressions. theres some freudian term for it but it escapes me.


Yah its called ****ing NUTTS!!

(net lag) i see he answered the qestion of how & why he's here.

I'm goin bedy by now. I will sleep fine. If you're Voss/metatron/avenger, i doubt you'll sleep as well as i.

I don't pretend to be a saint, but using sick children, dead heros and people in general, is plain old sick.  hope you have nightmares every night.

Bad karma Dude....sleep well.




:confused:
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Post by: airbumba on July 14, 2004, 01:15:37 AM
:mad:
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Post by: Slash27 on July 14, 2004, 01:35:36 AM
Man what a thread.
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Post by: Avenger on July 14, 2004, 01:50:04 AM
If youll accept his word as proof redd could verify that I am not voss. He played wb at the same time that I did. redd pm me guy.
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Post by: SaburoS on July 14, 2004, 02:04:42 AM
WOW! :eek:
I can't believe I read the whole thing! Just like a bad car wreck on the freeway, I wanted to turn my head and not watch but just couldn't help myself. Very interesting twists and turns.
I don't think Avenger is Voss/Paul Hinds, though.
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Post by: Redd on July 14, 2004, 02:05:06 AM
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Originally posted by Avenger
If youll accept his word as proof redd could verify that I am not voss. He played wb at the same time that I did. redd pm me guy.




System won't let me PM.


I could take a guess anyway - think you may have  flown the  F-wulf .

Could be wrong but just a guess.
Title: Can't resist...
Post by: Scherf on July 14, 2004, 02:07:28 AM
I am also Not Voss.

Thank you.

Scherf
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Post by: Grits on July 14, 2004, 02:32:15 AM
I am also not really Voss, but I do play him on TV.
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Post by: FUNKED1 on July 14, 2004, 03:21:59 AM
If somebody is really going to write a paper or a book on this, please contact me. funkedup308@hotmail.com
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Post by: Orig on July 14, 2004, 03:47:23 AM
Can I be vOsS tomorrow when Avenger is done with him?


ps I think fester is voss
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Post by: Citabria on July 14, 2004, 04:12:58 AM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
If somebody is really going to write a paper or a book on this, please contact me. funkedup308@hotmail.com


funked VOSS is talking to investors right now about research funding, psychological analysis an cost/benefit scenarios for th new book. he has the groundwork all laid out as far as pacing and storyline goes and just needs some more funding to get things rolling. the new books gonna be a great read and if we all pull together and contribute financially to it its gonna be a success. If you interested in investing in this great venture email VOSS at takemymoney@scamartist.com

thanks!
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 14, 2004, 04:18:40 AM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
If somebody is really going to write a paper or a book on this, please contact me. funkedup308@hotmail.com


Please feel free to share the dirt with us all right here. :)
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Post by: CyranoAH on July 14, 2004, 04:39:56 AM
We now just need Mr.Black and the thread will be complete.
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 14, 2004, 04:51:59 AM
Definatly need Mr.Black! Im kinda missing him anyways.

BTW I am not Voss

I am not Mr. Black


Actually i'm Skuzzy in drag
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Post by: Pooh21 on July 14, 2004, 05:18:53 AM
I'm not Voss, nor am I MrBlack(because he was a squaddie at one time)

And Wildcrd definatly aint Skuzzy in drag
Because I am Skuzzy in drag

or am I batman?


Did I mention the time I shot down Napoleons Betty With my sopwith camel?
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Post by: CyranoAH on July 14, 2004, 05:29:39 AM
I AM SPARTACUS!
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Post by: SirLoin on July 14, 2004, 05:30:18 AM
My guess is Avenger is Fester stying to stirr the pot.:D
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Post by: Citabria on July 14, 2004, 05:32:44 AM
no. not my style sirloin.
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Post by: SirLoin on July 14, 2004, 05:33:20 AM
ROFL!!!:rofl
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Post by: Citabria on July 14, 2004, 05:36:26 AM
oh I will stir the pot and I will enjoy causing trouble. but in case you didn't notice I enjoy people knowing it was me. I don't hide behind false identities.
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Post by: SirLoin on July 14, 2004, 05:40:27 AM
Oh like when you changed your MA name to Fester(from Citabria) and you wanted me to keep it under the hat cause I filmed your rant(after shooting you down)?You were afraid you'd get banned..remember that?:rolleyes:
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Post by: Citabria on July 14, 2004, 05:43:10 AM
I would never confide in you to keep anything a secret. you are an arnoldhole. and clearly as you can see I have no trouble identifying to people i use fester as a callsign in ma and citabria on bbs.

and I explode into rants all the time when i get pissed off or shot down by someone i dislike. you have already made your false assumptions and are looking for incidental events to justify your preconcieved notions. I'm not going to change your mind about anything with anything I say. because you have already reached an eroneous conclusion based on your affiliation and affinity to one of the biggest scam artists in flight sim history.

you can take whatever childish events happened between us and construe them to fit your agenda but the fact remains that its not even the same ballpark as what Paul Hinds has done and is still doing.

but your mind is made up and you see what you want.
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Post by: Lazerus on July 14, 2004, 05:58:34 AM
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Xargos

Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Summerville, S.C. (United States of America)
Posts: 162


I'm right around the corner from ya, live about 5 minutes from Trident Hospital.
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Post by: SirLoin on July 14, 2004, 06:00:17 AM
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5938

Does this jog your memory?
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Post by: CyranoAH on July 14, 2004, 06:08:00 AM
Almost 300! This is the largest thread about nothing that I've ever seen
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Post by: Citabria on July 14, 2004, 06:08:11 AM
indeed. I appologize for loosing my temper and insulting you.
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 14, 2004, 06:32:14 AM
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Originally posted by Pooh21
I'm not Voss, nor am I MrBlack(because he was a squaddie at one time)

And Wildcrd definatly aint Skuzzy in drag
Because I am Skuzzy in drag

or am I batman?


Did I mention the time I shot down Napoleons Betty With my sopwith camel?


You can be Hitech. They couldn't pay me enough for his job LOL
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Post by: crowMAW on July 14, 2004, 06:42:48 AM
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Originally posted by Citabria
I'm just scared now because if it is him there are some guys in white coats that need to make a professional visit to mr paul hinds house.

Well, if this is the Paul Hinds I think it is with the voss email address I think he has, he lives not to far from a first rate state run facility!  :cool:

BTW Cit...can we have a list of the people you don't like in the MA and maybe a little blurb why you decided not to like them.  Just curious.
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Post by: Maniac on July 14, 2004, 06:45:56 AM
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voss is legendary. What wb player at the time doesnt know about voss?




Ive been a member of the WB community for over 10 yrs now, i remember Voss from WB and i even remember flying with him...

That said, i have totally missed this soap opera, i first learned about what Voss have been up too by reading THIS thread.

And im amazed...
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Post by: Hortlund on July 14, 2004, 07:08:06 AM
Who cares?
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Post by: Pei on July 14, 2004, 07:17:10 AM
Is it this this time of year again already? How time flies...
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Post by: straffo on July 14, 2004, 07:25:47 AM
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
Almost 300! This is the largest thread about nothing that I've ever seen


Didn't you wrote somethink like :

This thread will collapse because of the huge amount of nothing in a noisy silencious explosion that will spread a lot of naught everywhere ?

En bref tu pourrais me reposter ca s'il te plait ?
J'avais adoré :)
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 14, 2004, 07:40:04 AM
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Originally posted by Citabria
no. not my style sirloin.


LOLOLOL! Then WTF was this original post all about Fester/Cita?  This is typically YOUR STYLE. Its your legacy in AH!
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Post by: moot on July 14, 2004, 07:52:09 AM
Voss' only possible salvation is to prove he's actually quite a good guy IRL.
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Post by: Achttag on July 14, 2004, 07:57:51 AM
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Voss and Mr Black should get together over drinks - the 12 of them could have a great time


I don't know whether to laugh or cry reading this thread

Achttag
<>
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Post by: Smut on July 14, 2004, 08:09:01 AM
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Originally posted by Maniac


Ive been a member of the WB community for over 10 yrs now, i remember Voss from WB and i even remember flying with him...
 


Being that both Robey and Eagl are/were Pigs at the time, and I was "in the industry" I had an interesting vantage point for this whole mess.

For example, the "screenshots" Voss posted of TAS used the stock 3D Max textures. My art director (none other than the legendary Max Remington of MPS/OSI/EA fame) spotted that in about a nano-second.

Robey was seriously spun up after Voss continued to claim he was a USAFA grad in emails exchanged between the two. Apparently Voss miscalculated or didn't realize Robey was a retired USAF Major. Eagl was a recent USAFA grad, and was more than happy to help Robey discover the truth. Robeys eventual findings are posted above and stand on their own.

I do have to agree with "Avenger"; invoking the name of Voss *will* get the attention of some of us "oldtimers" - we saw it first hand, and believe knowledge is the best defense to ensure it doesn't happen again. Voss is clearly unrepentent to this day.

Finally, Rip, you and I have seen eye to eye on many things, but in this case, I think you are dead wrong. In case you don't have all the history, I strongly suggest you do a simple usenet seach - all you need are the words "voss" and "robey". It's all there. Voss is no better than one of these wannabes that claims to be an ex-SF operator. As a vet, I am personally offended by Voss and his clear lack of respect for those that did serve.

-CJ / Smut
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 14, 2004, 08:11:30 AM
Smut, the whole purpose of this thread from the get go was because Voss/Meta has been beating Fester in the MA at his own "games" he plays.  Fester had to take retribution.  This thread was it.

It was a dead topic, til yesterday.

If anyone can't see thru that thin veil of innocence, then Festers job is complete.

Divide and conquer. Its a tactic that works in any situation, and Fester makes a living at it.
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Post by: Maniac on July 14, 2004, 08:13:16 AM
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Smut, the whole purpose of this thread from the get go was because Voss/Meta has been beating Fester in the MA at his own "games" he plays. Fester had to take retribution. This thread was it.


What does the motivation of the post have to do with the facts that are in it?
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 14, 2004, 08:15:04 AM
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Originally posted by Maniac
Who cares what Festers motivation for posting this was?


HTC.
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Post by: CyranoAH on July 14, 2004, 08:15:16 AM
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Originally posted by straffo
Didn't you wrote somethink like :

This thread will collapse because of the huge amount of nothing in a noisy silencious explosion that will spread a lot of naught everywhere ?

En bref tu pourrais me reposter ca s'il te plait ?
J'avais adoré :)


My pleasure:

This thread is becoming so politically dense it will eventually collapse and send out large quantities of nothing

:)

Daniel
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Post by: Maniac on July 14, 2004, 08:17:06 AM
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HTC


They do? really? im not seeing it...

The only one worried about Festers motivation for this is you... You stare yourself blind on Festers motivation, and you fail to see the facts in the thread...

I dont care for the motivation, i concentrate on the facts that the thread has provided.
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Post by: BUG_EAF322 on July 14, 2004, 08:27:33 AM
it is unbelievable they moved this thread but not locked it.

personal attacks not allowed ????
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Post by: Westy on July 14, 2004, 08:33:09 AM
Guys.  This topic is getting air play on other webboards too. Matter of fact it's the only entertainment playing on the new AGW webboards these days.

 I'm not saying anything about Avengers identity but just because someone with low or a no-post count comes in and adds thier .02 about Voss does not mean they are new to the flight sim community.  This happens every time a good thread about Voss springs up be it here or  in the past on the old AW and WB's forumns.

 Not everyone you don't know is a Vostitute.
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Post by: mosgood on July 14, 2004, 08:35:01 AM
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Originally posted by Westy


 Not everyone you don't know is a Vostitute.


no chit.  Talk about a witch hunt.


btw  can someone pass the popcorn?  and the kleanex...?
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Post by: Westy on July 14, 2004, 08:35:47 AM
"If anyone can't see thru that thin veil of innocence...."


 While his reasoning may be jeuvinile his cause is just.
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Post by: lazs2 on July 14, 2004, 08:42:34 AM
just to add a little perspective and fill in the mental picture we are all getting of voss/hinds/metatron..

he is in real life a "man" who stands about 5'2".

rip... you can dislike fester but you are dead wrong on the voss thing.  the man is a scumbag.   this busher guy may or may not be a great guy... the hornets (whoever they are) may be great guys but...

You are all tainted by haveing this nutbag in your squad.   We have vox and radio and interact with players.   I can't think of any player I would shun in this game except voss.  

I would not be in a squad that had him in it once it were known.  If slo wants to pee in my cereal I invite him over... he can even have voss stand on his shoulders to look more menacing.  

Does anyone recall voss's 109 test flight and crash landing?

Even a thread like this won't shake metatrons arrogance.   He was quite for a while but.... heeeeees baaaack...  

and that's why this thread needs to pop up every once in a while.

smack him down before his ego starts running away again...

sure.. it's great fun to fool and con rip and a bunch of foreigners but...   need to nip it in the bud or, at least confine the damage to the "hornets".    

lazs
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 14, 2004, 09:00:39 AM
What am I "dead wrong" about Lazs?  What have I said about Voss other than a few suckers got took?  Is it because I didn't participate in the pig pile?

Oh, and Lazs...the hornets is not "my" squadron. I'm just a member, and proud member of being in AH #1 squadron.  

I am tainted? LMAO! Oh my! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Post by: SirLoin on July 14, 2004, 09:07:50 AM
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Originally posted by lazs2
just to add a little perspective and fill in the mental picture we are all getting of voss/hinds/metatron..

You are all tainted by haveing this nutbag in your squad.  
and that's why this thread needs to pop up every once in a while.



lazs


If you have a problem with him,then be a man and deal with it one on one...

Trying to drag others into it..you remind me of an ex girlfriend.
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 14, 2004, 09:08:36 AM
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Originally posted by Westy
"If anyone can't see thru that thin veil of innocence...."


 While his reasoning may be jeuvinile his cause is just.


No, festers cause is not just, he's out for revenge.  Typical Fester.  Wasn't even involved in that whole fiasco years ago.  Now if Smut or someone started the thread, that would have been a just cause.  In this case, its pure and simple revenge for getting beat at his own game online. :)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: jaxxo on July 14, 2004, 09:10:18 AM
HEHE. It seems alot more to this story than it shows, even with as long as it is. Ever wonder why  "voss"  hasnt come up with some more dirt on Fester? I mean if he lies like everyone sais couldnt he at least make up some juicy tidbits? Some strange stuff going on here lol. I think "Citabria" is using "Fester" to destroy his alter alter ego "Voss" :P
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: midnight Target on July 14, 2004, 09:13:38 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
No, festers cause is not just, he's out for revenge.  Typical Fester.  Wasn't even involved in that whole fiasco years ago.  Now if Smut or someone started the thread, that would have been a just cause.  In this case, its pure and simple revenge for getting beat at his own game online. :)


Ahhhh. So if smut or eagl or maybe even roby had started this thread, you would immediately shun Metaliar and kick him to the curb?

Kinda like saying OBL is innocent because he was outed by Saddam.  :rofl
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: eskimo2 on July 14, 2004, 09:16:05 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
No, festers cause is not just, he's out for revenge.  Typical Fester.  Wasn't even involved in that whole fiasco years ago.  Now if Smut or someone started the thread, that would have been a just cause.  In this case, its pure and simple revenge for getting beat at his own game online. :)


How in the world is MegaTard/Voss beating Fester at his own game?

eskimo
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Curval on July 14, 2004, 09:22:17 AM
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Originally posted by SirLoin
If you have a problem with him,then be a man and deal with it one on one...

Trying to drag others into it..you remind me of an ex girlfriend.


ouch....that's gonna leave a mark.

:p
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: SirLoin on July 14, 2004, 09:25:13 AM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1

Of course this is the 418th we are talking about.  They aren't exactly picky about character issues.  Buncha Clinton voters LOL.  :rofl


Does that mean we are alowed to vote from Canada?..Lol!

:rofl
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Post by: straffo on July 14, 2004, 09:30:17 AM
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
My pleasure:

This thread is becoming so politically dense it will eventually collapse and send out large quantities of nothing

:)

Daniel


Great :rofl
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Sikboy on July 14, 2004, 09:40:14 AM
Just  a reminder:

The CAP event re-starts this weekend with the Battle of the Coral Sea!

Join us at 3:00 Eastern to begin the fight for the Pacific!

(This thread seemed to have the biggesta audience).

Check the CAP forum for more information!

-Sik
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Westy on July 14, 2004, 09:44:52 AM
I'm "outing" Jaxxo as being 2004's  Iron/Oneman!
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: mosgood on July 14, 2004, 09:47:07 AM
wtg Silk!


That gives me an idea.....  For $5 i'll edit my little snipit a few post up and place advertising in it.  Better position than if you posted here!

:D
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Pongo on July 14, 2004, 09:54:35 AM
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Originally posted by jaxxo
HEHE. It seems alot more to this story than it shows, even with as long as it is. Ever wonder why  "voss"  hasnt come up with some more dirt on Fester? I mean if he lies like everyone sais couldnt he at least make up some juicy tidbits? Some strange stuff going on here lol. I think "Citabria" is using "Fester" to destroy his alter alter ego "Voss" :P


Festers neurosis and contributions are there for anyone to see voss..He like many of us have our issues..but being a skitso sociopath isnt one of them.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Smut on July 14, 2004, 10:03:51 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Smut, the whole purpose of this thread from the get go was because Voss/Meta has been beating Fester in the MA at his own "games" he plays.  Fester had to take retribution.  This thread was it.

It was a dead topic, til yesterday.

If anyone can't see thru that thin veil of innocence, then Festers job is complete.

Divide and conquer. Its a tactic that works in any situation, and Fester makes a living at it.


Why the thread started in the first place is irrelevent.

The reason I posted is because that scumbag Voss still will not come clean. Also, there appears to be some that don't know / didn't believe the Voss backstory. Information is the best defense to someone like Voss. From what I've seen in this thread, he hasn't changed one bit.

Time won't make his lies go away. It's that simple. Festers motivations may not be pure - that does not absolve Voss. You are ignoring the past (and present) because you don't like the messenger.

-Smut
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: midnight Target on July 14, 2004, 10:05:50 AM
Wait a minute here....

Metatron is Voss?
Voss is Voss?
Avenger is Voss?
Jaxxo is Voss?

I wonder how long a thread Voss could have with himself?
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Dead Man Flying on July 14, 2004, 10:10:15 AM
This thread reminds me of John Carpenter's "The Thing."  Time to bring out  some red hot wires and petrie dishes full of blood.

Best thread ever?  No, but it's close.

-- Todd/Leviathn
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 10:13:07 AM
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Originally posted by airbumba
Wow. I 've only been around for two years and a bit, musta just came in at the end of the Voss thingy. I knew he was a loud mouthed lier, but I didn't know anything about fraud.

I don't know why he's in any squad? Even in this game. People get booted for a lot less than fraud, yet known scammers can lurk in the communty looking fore new baitfish?


Guess he could't have scammed for lot a bucks, cause he's still alive and not in jail.


That's exactly our problem. This is just wrong. And like it or not the Hornets sanctioning and defending him is just wrong. Something needs to be done. Noone is happy about a known criminal re-infiltrating our community, the very one he successfully defrauded once before, it sets a very dangerous precident to allow him to remain.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: lazs2 on July 14, 2004, 10:14:18 AM
sirloin... I'm not "dragging" anyone into anything... I have a problem with voss/hinds/metatron... I have said he is a scumbag.   People who defend him are naive.   A squad that has him is a squad I wouldn't want to be part of.

I haven't "dragged" anyone into the debacle... they are willing/naive participants...  any defense of him only encourages the nutjob.

Rip... the guy is a scumbag..  you are defending your hanging out with scumbags.  

It is simply a good idea to get this all out in the open once in a while since the guy won't come  clean.

lazs
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Masherbrum on July 14, 2004, 10:17:50 AM
While i'm IN here.

I'm at a loss here.  I have friends in both the 13th TAS and Hornets and to see this thread, is unbelievable.  I refuse to utter a word about Voss (His idiotic rant speaks for itself).

This is a game, for god's sake, don't cut down Ripsnort, Furry, Hammy, Slowhand, Busher, Curval, Cavalear, Rude, Toad, SlapShot, Mars01 etc, because one person is in the Hornets.  Why the f^&k is it their fault?!  They are a good squadron and a squad whom I love chatting with on ch.1.  But to cut either squad down is COMPLETELY irrelevant to this thread.  It has no bearing on it.  

<> 418th Hornets RCAF "City of Edmonton" and the 13th TAS.

Karaya
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: gofaster on July 14, 2004, 10:17:58 AM
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Just  a reminder:

The CAP event re-starts this weekend with the Battle of the Coral Sea!

Join us at 3:00 Eastern to begin the fight for the Pacific!

(This thread seemed to have the biggest audience).

Check the CAP forum for more information!

-Sik


Well played!

Too bad I can't make CAP because I'll be out with the wife catching the movie of her choice.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: slimm50 on July 14, 2004, 10:19:03 AM
POST # 333 ON THIS THREAD!! WOW!!

Somebody musta hit a nerve.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Pongo on July 14, 2004, 10:19:57 AM
wait a minute. Your not a "known criminal" until a court says you are.
Voss isnt a criminal. He is a nut case. Hes not even a "known nut case" till a loony bin verifies him as such.
We know he is a "known lier"

We must have an inquistion to see who is voss and who isnt!
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Thrawn on July 14, 2004, 10:22:51 AM
I would just like to state for the record that I'm not Voss or Avenger, except when I am.


Thank you and godspeed.
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Post by: Avenger on July 14, 2004, 10:30:31 AM
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Originally posted by Pongo
wait a minute. Your not a "known criminal" until a court says you are.
Voss isnt a criminal. He is a nut case. Hes not even a "known nut case" till a loony bin verifies him as such.
We know he is a "known lier"

We must have an inquistion to see who is voss and who isnt!


Guys on the tas beta spent a few hundred $ on cutting edge video cards because voss told them they would be needed to run tas. vosses partner gave him thousands of $ in computers. If you defraud someone but are never arrested and convicted of fraud does that mean you never did it?
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: DoctorYO on July 14, 2004, 10:32:31 AM
Forget the Catholic Church and its Spanish inquisition, or the American Anti Communist movement..  

They got nothing on the AH zealots.. (I think its a good thing to police your own personally)

All Welcome the..........

THE VOSS INQUISITION..

Get your tar and feathers dusted off we going to have a lynching

(be advised this is not a threat and is fictional satire..DY - for legal purposes..knowing the simian factor of these boards..)

I got the perfect punishment for him right out of the Fist full of Yen (KFM)

As Doctor Klawn (sp) would say..  

"Now take him to Detroit"

Voss, "NO not Detroit...  , no....nooooo!!!!"


The Voss Saga Continues...



DoctorYO
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 14, 2004, 10:36:26 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
No, festers cause is not just, he's out for revenge.  Typical Fester.  Wasn't even involved in that whole fiasco years ago.  Now if Smut or someone started the thread, that would have been a just cause.  In this case, its pure and simple revenge for getting beat at his own game online. :)


Ripsnort,

If anyone is concerned about being beaten at their own game its you.  You are the king of Cut-N-Paste.  Fester made one simple cut-n-paste thread and got more responses, stirred up more controversy and interest than you have in a thousand threads.  Fess up Ripsnort, you’re jealous about this thread; that you didn’t start it!

P.S.
It sounds as if you are trying to defend MegaTard.  In my eyes this is one of the very few things that you could do to make yourself look bad.

eskimo
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Pongo on July 14, 2004, 10:43:34 AM
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Originally posted by Avenger
Guys on the tas beta spent a few hundred $ on cutting edge video cards because voss told them they would be needed to run tas. vosses partner gave him thousands of $ in computers. If you defraud someone but are never arrested and convicted of fraud does that mean you never did it?


lol Flight sim guys buy new video cards..news at 11.
I never said nothing was done. I said he wasnt a criminal till a court says he did it.
Im not defending him. I think hes bellybutton lint..but hes not a criminal on account of anything I have read. Hes not a criminal till a court says so.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Thrawn on July 14, 2004, 10:43:48 AM
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Originally posted by Avenger
Guys on the tas beta spent a few hundred $ on cutting edge video cards because voss told them they would be needed to run tas. vosses partner gave him thousands of $ in computers. If you defraud someone but are never arrested and convicted of fraud does that mean you never did it?



Yeah, it's a little concept known as "innocent until proven guilty".  If these guys were defrauded, why didn't they take Voss to court and inform the cops?
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Horn on July 14, 2004, 10:51:04 AM
Yeah, when the snake oil salesman comes back into town, folks should know.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=voss+tas&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=339BA819.2096%40idt.net&rnum=6

h
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 10:52:19 AM
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
it is unbelievable they moved this thread but not locked it.

personal attacks not allowed ????


There is a very good reason this thread is not being locked :aok Figure it out ;)

Zazen
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Post by: Avenger on July 14, 2004, 10:53:24 AM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Yeah, it's a little concept known as "innocent until proven guilty".  If these guys were defraud, why didn't they take Voss to court and inform the cops?


Because the time and money that would have been required to get anything done wasnt worth the money lost. Like the cops would have done anything. Crime on the internet wasnt something cops paid attention to back then. They barely pay attention to it now. Its not like he defrauded someone over ebay and you had a multimillion dollar company complaining about fraud. He lied and he cost guys hard earned cash back when they were paying 200 bucks a month just to play wb. He impersonated a combat pilot to gain credability with people so theyd invest time and money in him. And when he got caught he impersonated a cancer victim to try and dodge the well deserved anger of a bunch of guys whos trust he betrayed in a big way. And worst of all he doesnt have the guts to say "sorry I shrecked up what I did was horrible" even on the internet.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 10:56:41 AM
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Originally posted by Pongo
lol Flight sim guys buy new video cards..news at 11.
I never said nothing was done. I said he wasnt a criminal till a court says he did it.
Im not defending him. I think hes bellybutton lint..but hes not a criminal on account of anything I have read. Hes not a criminal till a court says so.


Yea, so I guess OJ is innocent too? :eek:

Zazen
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 10:58:22 AM
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Originally posted by Avenger
Because the time and money that would have been required to get anything done wasnt worth the money lost. Like the cops would have done anything. Crime on the internet wasnt something cops paid attention to back then. They barely pay attention to it now. Its not like he defrauded someone over ebay and you had a multimillion dollar company complaining about fraud. He lied and he cost guys hard earned cash back when they were paying 200 bucks a month just to play wb. He impersonated a combat pilot to gain credability with people so theyd invest time and money in him. And when he got caught he impersonated a cancer victim to try and dodge the well deserved anger of a bunch of guys whos trust he betrayed in a big way. And worst of all he doesnt have the guts to say "sorry I shrecked up what I did was horrible" even on the internet.


Everyone needs to re-read this. This is the core issue. Pay attention. Let it sink in real deep. Because he wasn't punished, and because he got away with it, the liklihood of him creating yet another false account and attempting to perpetrate another scheme on this community is very great. A risk we as a community should not be willing to take.


Zazen
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Post by: Avenger on July 14, 2004, 11:00:49 AM
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Originally posted by Pongo
lol Flight sim guys buy new video cards..news at 11.
I never said nothing was done. I said he wasnt a criminal till a court says he did it.
Im not defending him. I think hes bellybutton lint..but hes not a criminal on account of anything I have read. Hes not a criminal till a court says so.


I say hes a criminal. Id never stoop so low and say you would ever defend him. We can both agree hes scum and disagree on the criminal part.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: jaxxo on July 14, 2004, 11:04:57 AM
Well now we know how the McCarthy hearings got started. What a witchhunt lol. Anyone not comletely condeming meta is automatically one of Voss's other screen names lol. You all got me..I'm ironman..no I'm Fester...or maybe I'm Voss? Maybe if i didnt switch my screenname because everyone thought I was a total jacka** I could actually use the same name for 3 sims over 6 years. I also love how the question of proof has been posed many times in this thread, and constantly been sidestepped by the Voss haters. .................."If you were around back then you would know"... Well that statement would be condemning evidence in any court:rolleyes:  I have no problem with metatron until someone provides some evidence..seems like an ok guy to me. Is that so unreasonable in America to provide proof? Someone convince me and Ill join in the slaughter of the so called "metavoss"
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 11:12:28 AM
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Originally posted by jaxxo
Well now we know how the McCarthy hearings got started. What a witchhunt lol. Anyone not comletely condeming meta is automatically one of Voss's other screen names lol. You all got me..I'm ironman..no I'm Fester...or maybe I'm Voss? Maybe if i didnt switch my screenname because everyone thought I was a total jacka** I could actually use the same name for 3 sims over 6 years. I also love how the question of proof has been posed many times in this thread, and constantly been sidestepped by the Voss haters. .................."If you were around back then you would know"... Well that statement would be condemning evidence in any court:rolleyes:  I have no problem with metatron until someone provides some evidence..seems like an ok guy to me. Is that so unreasonable in America to provide proof? Someone convince me and Ill join in the slaughter of the so called "metavoss"


He admitted it here and admitted it in two other threads by inuendo, are you reading? Re-read the Bring back the Big maps thread, and pay attention to Metapotatos posts, especially his replies to Fester.
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Post by: Avenger on July 14, 2004, 11:13:37 AM
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Originally posted by jaxxo
Well now we know how the McCarthy hearings got started. What a witchhunt lol. Anyone not comletely condeming meta is automatically one of Voss's other screen names lol. You all got me..I'm ironman..no I'm Fester...or maybe I'm Voss? Maybe if i didnt switch my screenname because everyone thought I was a total jacka** I could actually use the same name for 3 sims over 6 years. I also love how the question of proof has been posed many times in this thread, and constantly been sidestepped by the Voss haters. .................."If you were around back then you would know"... Well that statement would be condemning evidence in any court:rolleyes:  I have no problem with metatron until someone provides some evidence..seems like an ok guy to me. Is that so unreasonable in America to provide proof? Someone convince me and Ill join in the slaughter of the so called "metavoss"


"You had to be there and see it happen" will have to suffice. Think about this though-what type of guy and what type of bullsheet would it take to bring on a reaction this strong years after the fact from guys who havent played ck wb ah in years? Trust me when I say that its not bitterness because voss made us look bad by torching us in the virtual skies.
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 14, 2004, 11:13:41 AM
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Originally posted by eskimo2
How in the world is MegaTard/Voss beating Fester at his own game?

eskimo


You'd have to have access to our squad BBS to see the story. Sorry. :)
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Post by: TheDudeDVant on July 14, 2004, 11:22:23 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
You'd have to have access to our squad BBS to see the story. Sorry. :)



We do, and Voss is lying! If you had access to our squad BBS you would already know this...
Title: Re: Dear Fester
Post by: Jackal1 on July 14, 2004, 11:34:55 AM
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Originally posted by SirLoin
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5938

Does this jog your memory?



  Wheew man , I can`t think you enough for posting this. This took a great load off of my mind. Now I know for sure that VOSS is keeping his instrument ticket up to date. I was beginning to think that the CIA pilots were getting a little slack and national defense was at risk.
  Such a relief. Now I can sleep a little better.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Sikboy on July 14, 2004, 11:45:50 AM
Does anyone have the "TAS" screenshot?

-Sik
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 14, 2004, 11:45:55 AM
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
We do, and Voss is lying! If you had access to our squad BBS you would already know this...


There is no question he has issues. But does it affect me flying in the same squadron as he? Nope!  Have I bought snake oil from the snake oil salesman? Nope!  Do I plan on retiring from the hornets because they have a dweeb in their squadron? Nope!  Do I give a rats *** about *my* "reputation" because I chose to stay on the squad when I found out he's voss? Nope! :)
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Post by: Citabria on July 14, 2004, 11:46:39 AM
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Originally posted by Smut
Why the thread started in the first place is irrelevent.

The reason I posted is because that scumbag Voss still will not come clean. Also, there appears to be some that don't know / didn't believe the Voss backstory. Information is the best defense to someone like Voss. From what I've seen in this thread, he hasn't changed one bit.

Time won't make his lies go away. It's that simple. Festers motivations may not be pure - that does not absolve Voss. You are ignoring the past (and present) because you don't like the messenger.

-Smut



my motivations for starting this thread were:
1. artistic expression (made a book cover for shts n giggles
2. entertainment, I love seeing voss squirm in his web of lies
3. fascination, this story is just to interesting to not be publiscized and making it well know insures voss's inability to do it again.
4. I'm stuck trolling the bbs till my pc gets fixed so i am starting crap with worthy sleezbags on the bbs instead of the MA

(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/Voss_story.jpg)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Westy on July 14, 2004, 11:50:10 AM
"Does anyone have the "TAS" screenshot?"


Yes.   I will post it tonight when I get home.



http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22tactical+aero+squadron%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=01bbd82b%24e2ddca40%2471e361ce%40nwark.com.nwark.com&rnum=1


"Pro-Line Software has nearly completed all of the initial tests for its
flight simulation "Tactical Aero Squadron." I have been so busy that many
letters have gone unanswered. I am sorry if this means yours has gone
unanswered. Please, email me at vosswars@nwark.com if you feel you have
been unfairly dropped from the "Extended Beta" list. I will be forwarding
all letters to our beta team.
Anyone that is not on the extended list should also reply. We are going to
increase the "extended" list and you never know how many spots may open up.
Voss"


Oooooh. I can't WAIT!!!   ;)
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 11:52:07 AM
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Originally posted by Citabria
my motivations for starting this thread were:
1. artistic expression (made a book cover for shts n giggles
2. entertainment, I love seeing voss squirm in his web of lies
3. fascination, this story is just to interesting to not be publiscized and making it well know insures voss's inability to do it again.
4. I'm stuck trolling the bbs till my pc gets fixed so i am starting crap with worthy sleezbags on the bbs instead of the MA


Reason number 3 is my motivation for participating in this thread. Half our player base was not even here when Voss/Metapotato perpetrated the original crime. It's important they are aware of his criminal inclinations, especially since he abuses loopholes in the registration system to remain active in the community. This whole thread is a cautionary tale, a warning so hopefully others will not fall victim to his next lie ridden fraud scheme.

Zazen
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 14, 2004, 11:54:29 AM
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Originally posted by Citabria
my motivations for starting this thread were:
1. artistic expression (made a book cover for shts n giggles
2. entertainment, I love seeing voss squirm in his web of lies
3. fascination, this story is just to interesting to not be publiscized and making it well know insures voss's inability to do it again.
4. I'm stuck trolling the bbs till my pc gets fixed so i am starting crap with worthy sleezbags on the bbs instead of the MA


Isn't that great..what a way to bring the community together! Good on you! :)
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Post by: Trell on July 14, 2004, 11:55:44 AM
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Everyone needs to re-read this. This is the core issue. Pay attention. Let it sink in real deep. Because he wasn't punished, and because he got away with it, the liklihood of him creating yet another false account and attempting to perpetrate another scheme on this community is very great. A risk we as a community should not be willing to take.


Zazen



This is stupid,  Voss will never never be able to scheme like this again,  Every one is more on guard for things like this to happen, The flight community is not that big, and every one has heard the voss story 100 times or moe,  and if they didnt,  if he tried another scam,  They would.  I mean come on, you seem to think That by chaising him around in a game he plays for fun, and looking for his new handle is  the reason he is not starting another scam?  
Btw I still think if anyone could prove he defrauded this many people that he would have been sued, or even taked to small claims court.
people make him out to be the devil.

If anything I think bringing this stuff up over and over again makes him happy,  He is famous in his own little way, and will allways be famous if  people bring this up just to bring it up.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: airbumba on July 14, 2004, 11:57:02 AM
Avenger, I apologize, I doubt your Voss. That's too weird.

But I won't apologize for hating scumbag con artists.

I'll keep an eye on those names who do, they've given up their right to complain about telemarketing scammers, credit card scammers, ebay scammers and the likes. Because they didn't get taken, ever, and therefore never will, lol. Right.


Now you know how scammers get away with it, nobody's supposed to care till U get conned? ..sad, very sad.


BTW, I never put anyones squad down.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 11:58:01 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Isn't that great..what a way to bring the community together! Good on you! :)


Actually, you have made a great point Ripsnort, this is bringing the community together! It has given the entire community, with the notable exception of members of the 418th Hornets, a common enemy. Nothing is a greater unifying force than a common enemy, history enunciates this point very clearly. I compliment you Ripsnort, on your very accurate observation. I also would like to thank Fester for being the catalystic force in the community's unification! Fester :aok

Zazen
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Post by: Trell on July 14, 2004, 12:01:20 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
There is no question he has issues. But does it affect me flying in the same squadron as he? Nope!  Have I bought snake oil from the snake oil salesman? Nope!  Do I plan on retiring from the hornets because they have a dweeb in their squadron? Nope!  Do I give a rats *** about *my* "reputation" because I chose to stay on the squad when I found out he's voss? Nope! :)


I dont fly any more but i would almost think this would be a plus to join a squad with him.   I mean back in beta he was allways a good stick,  a little childish some times it seemed,  but  now we can all fly with the FAMOUS VOSS  the man who screwed over the community,  It would be like riding in Jessie James's gang back in the wild west.   lol
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: eskimo2 on July 14, 2004, 12:02:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ripsnort
You'd have to have access to our squad BBS to see the story. Sorry. :)


Ripsnort,

If you’re basing some kind of trust of MegaTard/Voss on his posts in your BB, information that others outside of your squad can’t see, everyone will assume that he sold you a truckload of BS and you bought it.  I can certainly see not wanting to leave your buddies because of one tard, but why everyone in your squad wouldn’t want to boot him out is beyond comprehension.

eskimo
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 12:06:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by eskimo2
Ripsnort,

If you’re basing some kind of trust of MegaTard/Voss on his posts in your BB, information that others outside of your squad can’t see, everyone will assume that he sold you a truckload of BS and you bought it.  I can certainly see not wanting to leave your buddies because of one tard, but why everyone in your squad wouldn’t want to boot him out is beyond comprehension.

eskimo


I can only guess Voss is paying them off with money he stole from the community.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Pongo on July 14, 2004, 12:09:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
Yea, so I guess OJ is innocent too? :eek:

Zazen


I never said he was innocent. A criminal is not someone who commits a crime or is accused of a crime. A criminal is someone who is convicted of a crime.

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there..the guy that cut it down isnt a logger.
At best he is an accused logger.(:rolleyes: )

we can  describe Vosses behavior as criminal..but he is not a criminal unil he is successfully prosecuted for a crime.

I think its criminal that he took the name of a famous fighter pilot and disgraced it.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: mosgood on July 14, 2004, 12:11:37 PM
Rip... resistance (or having your own opinion that doesn't comply) is futile.  You will be assimulated or distroyed.


BURN HIM!!!!!!:eek:
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Post by: jaxxo on July 14, 2004, 12:13:26 PM
Tards. Every valid point I have made so far has been ignored. I'm starting to realise these boards are just a form of entertainment. Im beginning to catch on after posting for about a year now. Fester has the right idea..post some questionable topics and watch the dummies get themselves worked up over some meaningless topics and comments. Made for a fun morning of reading though :D
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Post by: Westy on July 14, 2004, 12:15:52 PM
Poor Beaz.....


John \"OneMan\" Birkes (oneman@nwark.com)
    Subject: Re: T.A.S. What is it?  
    Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim
    Date: 1997/04/18
   
: > http://www.users.nwark.com/~vosswars/
:
: Cheers !!
:
: That's what I'm after... anybody give me the heads up about Tactical Aero
: Squadron?
:
: Regards  Daren
:
: beaz <13 Sqdn RAF>


T.A.S. is still under development. Just before Col. Paul "Voss" Hinds was
to release the "Alpha" version the upper echelon decided to heap more
requirements upon the game. This and Paul's subsequent health problems have
set the release back a few months already.

Realism is the hallmark of Paul's achievement. His clever manipulation of
colors, situations, weather, time of day, and historical intrigue binds
game play with immersion. Every aircraft of the game has been carefully
researched. When possible actual aircraft types have been test flown and
data confirmed. To my knowledge no one has ever put together such a
complete environment.

The development team has expanded to begin work on TAS the FEW. The
original game, TAS BoB, is such a highly optimized program that the game
had to be completely re-written for late war aircraft schemes to be
included. Bare metal finishes would never have been allowed with the BoB
code. In addition, a 3D ground war is under development. Anything more then
that cannot be discussed.

Currently, we are not concerned with dates. TAS will be released when it is
ready.

I hear Paul is scheduled for surgery for the last week of April. I spoke
with him last night. He is understandably not like himself but I feel
confident that he will bounce back.

John "OneMan" Birkes
Development Teams Coordinator
Pro-Line Software
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Citabria on July 14, 2004, 12:19:11 PM
heh stuff like that westy is why there is 370 posts in this thread in 1 day lol.

just the audacity of it. the fact that it is just blatent bull**** being served up by paul hinds talking about himself under this ficticious alias.

its almost unreal.

(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/Voss_story.jpg)
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Post by: Westy on July 14, 2004, 12:19:40 PM
Wahoooey.  Break out the shovels for it's getting deep.....



From: Paul \"Voss\" Hinds (vosswars@nwark.com)
Subject: Re: TAS CK AW2 WB

View: Complete Thread (36 articles)    
Original Format   
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim
Date: 1997/03/30
   

Well, let's see! I am the head programmer at Pro-Line. I do have a form of
brain cancer, but I am going to out live you all! :)

Pro-Line has 38 very bright programmers/CADists/etc. working on TAS the
FEW. This wasn't true just a month and a half ago. Things change. I started
a lot of them out by having them put together parts of TAS BoB. True, we
still haven't put all of the pieces together,...yet.

Will the average flier prefer TAS to AWII, or WB? I doubt it. TAS has a
very realistic "handling model." Notice I didn't say "flight model." I am
referring to, not only the flight model, but the ground handling of every
aircraft. Users will have to learn the specifics of aircraft types, cockpit
load, gunsights, radio procedures, even weapon specific ballistics are
included. You won't catch any German 20mm's possessing one muzzle velocity
in one plane, and another muzzle velocity in some other plane. It's the
same round, it flies the same. The cyclic rate of fire may vary, as it
should for specific weapons, but the velocity will remain the same.

I took great pains to make sure that every plane flies exactly as it
should. I went so far as to hunt down specific types and check them out
myself. That isn't easy, and you can still argue that actual aircraft of
the war period had different configurations from planes of today. While
that is true you will find that the essence, or flavor, of each aircraft is
well represented. (When you climb out of the Hurricane make sure you look
for the glycol soaked pants cuff on your right leg ;) )

Technology of the Second World War has been carefully considered, and is
represented realistically. Radar? Well, yes, but not the radar you might
expect. Radar information is related verbally. Yes, TAS includes voice
communications. For people without microphones we have included a default
"Command" and "Intercom" vox command summary. Hit a button and your wingie
will hear your "Break right!" signal blare through his PC speakers (if you
have your radio set correctly). You can even use our built in utility to
change your "Break right" to Top Gun's "Holy ****, it's Viper!", if you're
so inclined.

I have seen furballs in these other sims last for 15-20 minutes, with ever
increasing intensity. I will be surprised to see a dogfight last even a few
minutes in TAS, and there won't be any dead guys killing you a mere minute
after you kill them.

We have weather too. Not just fog, or haze. We have actual weather fronts
that move. Weather can shut down flight operations for a particular field,
and you won't like that! We even have seasons represented. The camo schemes
on your planes will vary (if morale and operational levels permit
repainting) as the seasons change.

Oh, and there's much, much more...

Bear with us, as many have said you would. I have never understood how a
game can be a matter of life-or-death.

I made them all sign NDA's, though, so this ***hole is going to shutup and
sit down. :)

Paul "Voss" Hinds
Creator of "Tactical Aero Squadron"
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Citabria on July 14, 2004, 12:22:55 PM
westy is there 36 pages of this bullsht? lmao
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Post by: 2bighorn on July 14, 2004, 12:24:45 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Pongo
I never said he was innocent. A criminal is not someone who commits a crime or is accused of a crime. A criminal is someone who is convicted of a crime.
The person who commits a crime is a criminal, the one who lies is a liar, as the person who works is a worker.

By your logic, the one who works isn't a worker because he isn't formally employed.


Quote
Originally posted by Pongo
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there..the guy that cut it down isnt a logger.
At best he is an accused logger.(:rolleyes: )

What if there is a witness? What if everybody seen it? He's still not a logger because the case never ended up on the court?

Quote
Originally posted by Pongo
we can  describe Vosses behavior as criminal..but he is not a criminal unil he is successfully prosecuted for a crime.
BIG BS here. Person may be innocent and convicted, that doesn't make it a criminal, just convict.

Once more, criminal is a criminal whether convicted or not, and convict is a convict whether criminal or not.

Quote
Originally posted by Pongo
I think its criminal that he took the name of a famous fighter pilot and disgraced it.
Was he ever convicted? If not don't call him a criminal (so you said)
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Post by: Urchin on July 14, 2004, 12:25:57 PM
BTW.. Jaxxo isn't one of Voss' "personalities".. they've both been in the MA at the same time.  


And Rip... how on earth could Voss have beaten Fester at "his own game in the MA?"  

He hasn't even been in the MA.
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Post by: Westy on July 14, 2004, 12:26:40 PM
Got carried away posting some real choice bits.  

Soap box back to you....
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Post by: Pongo on July 14, 2004, 12:34:05 PM
woosh.
Title: Morning
Post by: TheflyingElk on July 14, 2004, 12:39:39 PM
would you believe I wasted a hole pot of coffe reading this stuff this morning, This is a amazing thread:rofl , this is what flight sim legends are made of :lol
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Post by: Arlo on July 14, 2004, 12:42:12 PM
I just wanted to take this opportunity to thank Voss for being the one who actually invented AH and WB as well as the internet. Also for shooting down the Iraqi airforce and bringing a swift and victorious end to the Gulf War. And for getting shot down and bailing out over enemy territory (under secret CIA orders) and making it back to friendly lines with a hundred prisoners in tow. Oh ... and for jumping on that grenade and saving my life.

Ewe are mah heeeeero .....

(Please come back and post how much you don't give a crap again?)

:D
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Post by: Edbert on July 14, 2004, 12:45:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by NUKE
You just confirmed to me that you are Voss.

You mean the part where one of his personas is arguing with the other ones?

This may be outta the league for the thesis work of Airbumbas friend. This may require an entire staff of Pychiatrists to figure out.

edit:typo in airbUmbas name...sorry
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Post by: Kieran on July 14, 2004, 12:48:52 PM
I was involved.

Voss sent e-mails requesting donations for the restoration of vintage WWII aircraft. I do not know how many people were scammed, but I sent nothing.

Voss claimed to be working at a university, was a professor, and had students working on the project. He did indeed claim to have two phd's. I had a small website back then, and I had mailed him asking to use his graphic. He talked a bit about himself then, thinking I might be a media outlet for him I suppose. I'm sure others were involved in the same manner.

Voss ripped Michael Hobuss off- no question about it.

Voss lied continuously during the whole event, no question.

Voss continues to lie about it now. I am a forgive and forget kind of guy, but as Lazs says, a fellow needs to show a measure of contrition- Voss does not. Voss is dangerous, in that he is a con-man waiting for his next mark. He is without ethics or morals, and yes, he should be outed.

You almost feel sorry for the guy... then he posts.
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Post by: airbumba on July 14, 2004, 12:55:22 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Edbert MOL
You mean the part where one of his personas is arguing with the other ones?

This may be outta the league for the thesis work of Airbimbas friend. This may require an entire staff of Pychiatrists to figure out.



Leave Airbimba outta this. I know Airbimba, he never flew for the CIA, he never....oh crap, I forgot to make a new identity.....never mind..as u were....
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Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on July 14, 2004, 01:00:04 PM
I hart pasghettee.
-SW
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Post by: Smut on July 14, 2004, 01:07:43 PM
Quote
Originally posted by jaxxo
Tards. Every valid point I have made so far has been ignored. I'm starting to realise these boards are just a form of entertainment. Im beginning to catch on after posting for about a year now. Fester has the right idea..post some questionable topics and watch the dummies get themselves worked up over some meaningless topics and comments. Made for a fun morning of reading though :D


What valid points? Sorry, I honestly missed them.

However, I'm coming at this from a different angle then some others here. Do I think Voss is a scumbag? Certainly - but not for his alleged fraud(s). I think he is a scumbag for reasons that have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. He lied about being a graduate of the US Air Force Academy
2. He lied about being a USAF F-16 pilot
3. He lied about his supposed service during ther first Gulf War
4. He has never retracted or apologized for the above claims

The other stuff - either pure lies (His P-51, Bf-109 and Dr-1) or fraud (the TAS mess) I could care less about - although they do seem to fit a pattern.

-Smut
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Post by: Edbert on July 14, 2004, 01:07:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Smut

snippage

-Smut


So smut, whatever bacame of the squealing Pigs? I miss Mili and Vila and eagl and worr and all you guys.
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Post by: Furball on July 14, 2004, 01:09:10 PM
Quote
Originally posted by eskimo2
but why everyone in your squad wouldn’t want to boot him out is beyond comprehension.

eskimo


As we keep saying, we have no reason to.  He has been a model squaddie since he joined.  All we have to go by is what is said here.  No proof of theft or anything, for all i know it could have been a joke that got way out of hand?

If i told you to kick someone outta your squad - because i dont like him, would you?

Quote
Originally posted by Furball
I have nothing personal against him, never offended me or been nasty to me in any way.  I have no need to dislike him, and being a squaddie i would always stick up for him.  I'm sure you would too for squad members?
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Post by: Westy on July 14, 2004, 01:21:47 PM
From:   Michael P. Hobuss, 103527,30
DATE:   9/17/97 12:56 PM

RE:     TAS Update (or lack of)

All....

I wanted to bring you all up to date on the situation with ProLine and the
scam product called TAS, and feel this update
is necessary to prevent any of the rest of you from being as foolish as I
was.

First off, let me say the last time I spoke vox with Hinds, on the 1st of
June, he PROMISED to send me immediately
verification of his education, ownership of a P51, and the beta itself. The
ONLY thing I received was a doctored up
picture of him sitting in someone's Mustang. Since then it has been
determined that he and John "OneMan" Birke
are indeed one and the same man (nice touch there though, eh?..."OneMan").

On the first of August the partnership known as ProLine was legally
dissolved and Hinds was told to return the
computer I am still making lease payments on (and will for the next 2 1/2
years), and to wind down the business.
Many of you may have read his interpretation of "winding down" with his
recent interview in CombatSim. In that
interview he states how he is incorporating a land variant into the game
based on the Quake engine. Hardly
surprising since he is incapable of bringing the air game to fruition.

Hinds continues to disgrace the roster of the 13th TAS squadron, where his
lies, deceit, and theft have yet to
bump up against our charter. To those of you who have noticed I now fly
sans colors and have invited me to
join their squads, I say THANK YOU. Simming is very important to me as is
the inherent squad life. We will
wait and see how the situation with the 13th TAS plays out.

Know this and know this well....

In my opinion, there NEVER was a game and NEVER will be. Hinds is a liar
and in 6 days will advance in rank to be
a legally defined THIEF. He will be legally  pursued to the limits of my
ability. I have encouraged my attorneys  to
maximize their  fees, so Hinds' day of reckoning will be even more painful.
Can we all say...FELONY FRAUD?

To the beta group I apologize for my unknowing role in this deception. I am
not sure if my emotions are stronger in
anger at this obvious con artist who plays on normal human compassion, or
sorrow at realising as a simmist
that the ultimate experience will not to be available to us.

To Robey Price, who first raised the questions concerning Hinds'
background, THANK YOU!

I would encourage any of you tempted by this con artist to devote any more
of your time or money  to run as far and fast
away as possible. Hinds is probably in need of professional help, and for
some reason feels he can continue to
disgrace the world of airsimming.

Thank you...

Michael Hobuss
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Post by: Edbert on July 14, 2004, 01:27:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sikboy
Does anyone have the "TAS" screenshot?

I've got them on backup tape, but it is on a DLT type 1 cartridge I was using for backups back then and I cannot read them anymore since the drive died. Anyone wanna send me a DLT drive?

The TAS debacle is not that big of a deal to me personally. I lost no money. I was a late addition to the beta team. I thought the screenshots were too good to beleive when I saw them. I did not buy a video card to play the beta. I DID get the the NDA and sent it in but the notary was free. I get a request for donations but was poor back then because WB cost me $100-200 month :(  I never got any code (there was none) all I got was a squad assginment, and a lot of anxiety looking forward to what appeared to be the best sim evar. The TAS scam was only a SERIOUS deal to those who sent in money, and I am suprised they have not sought legal recourse, but I figure the cost of pressing charges would be much higher than any possible damage recovery would cover.

Forget the TAS scam. But all of the other hijinks and crap that voss/metatron have perpetuated over the last ~7 years would be enough for me to not want to have him associated with me, "criminal" or not. The only reason I can see that the 418th would keep him onboard (now that it is clear that Metatron IS Voss) is that they value his contribution to their score/rank than they do their tainted reputation of having such a scumbag in their midst.  With all that is known accross all of these multiple flight sims and all of the various BBSes is "why would anyone want Voss in their squad"?

I just don't get it.
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Post by: Furball on July 14, 2004, 01:27:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Westy
and in 6 days will advance in rank to be
a legally defined THIEF. He will be legally  pursued to the limits of my ability. I have encouraged my attorneys  to maximize their  fees, so Hinds' day of reckoning will be even more painful.
Can we all say...FELONY FRAUD?


and what became of it?
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Post by: Trell on July 14, 2004, 01:34:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Furball
and what became of it?


The same thing that happened to all the guys buying things from Don Lapre.  Or that buy watches from a guy on the street
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Post by: mosgood on July 14, 2004, 01:37:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Trell
The same thing that happened to all the guys buying things from Don Lapre.  Or that buy watches from a guy on the street


Don Lapre ended up giving his prodcut away on tv.  he banked on making it up on the backend end.  It killed him.
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 14, 2004, 01:39:25 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
westy is there 36 pages of this bullsht? lmao


   Man, I sure hope so. lol

Diversions work great. Now when I get frustrated with CTDs and stutters, etc, I just come read for an hour .........or 2...........or 3. It`s working like a charm.
:D
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Post by: Trell on July 14, 2004, 01:41:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by mosgood
Don Lapre ended up giving his prodcut away on tv.  he banked on making it up on the backend end.  It killed him.


They made up to 6 thousand dollars off of each person,   he did go into bankrupsy but that was only from mismanagment not becasue they were not bringing in money,  He is also reinvented him self with  new product now
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Post by: Westy on July 14, 2004, 01:44:54 PM
"and what became of it?"


Time to let your fingers do the walking.  Instead of posturing nonsense in defense of the conman why not try and contact Mike Hobuss and find out more of the facts for yourself.
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 14, 2004, 01:45:01 PM
Ewwwwww eeewwwww ewwwwww.......(best Horshaq voice).............I almost forgot.
 How`s  the Rev doing VOSS? :D :D :D :D :D
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Post by: JB73 on July 14, 2004, 01:50:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by mosgood
Don Lapre ended up giving his prodcut away on tv.  he banked on making it up on the backend end.  It killed him.
huh? he told me on the tv that he was rich, and i'd be too by next month
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Post by: Supe on July 14, 2004, 01:55:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Edbert MOL
So smut, whatever bacame of the squealing Pigs? I miss Mili and Vila and eagl and worr and all you guys.


We're getting back into it. We all pretty much are still on a mailing list and are active with that, although until lately it's been about everything BUT flightsims. Worr and Mili are gone, and I haven't heard from them in a while. I'll have to dig up some contact info and see what they are doing.

I'm personally back in AH2, loving it, and deadlier than ever. Well by being deadly, I mean that I die a lot. Still, someone has to die.

Supe
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Post by: Red Tail 444 on July 14, 2004, 02:25:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
The main thing I'm getting out of this thread right now is that Slo(w) and Metatard are major advocates for gay marriage.


:rofl

Man...this HAS to be the best troll thread EVER!
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Post by: TheDudeDVant on July 14, 2004, 03:04:19 PM
Don't
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Post by: TheDudeDVant on July 14, 2004, 03:05:07 PM
stop
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Post by: TheDudeDVant on July 14, 2004, 03:05:44 PM
till
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Post by: killnu on July 14, 2004, 03:05:49 PM
Wow!!:eek:  i made it page 9.:rofl
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Post by: TheDudeDVant on July 14, 2004, 03:06:22 PM
lol killn... add a 400 in your last post!
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Post by: Citabria on July 14, 2004, 03:11:18 PM
(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/Voss_story.jpg)

incredible it became a book on its own.

well a very thin book maybe a term paper for sure with a nice cover and a 3 ring binder.
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Post by: Octavius on July 14, 2004, 03:17:44 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sikboy
Just  a reminder:

The CAP event re-starts this weekend with the Battle of the Coral Sea!

Join us at 3:00 Eastern to begin the fight for the Pacific!

(This thread seemed to have the biggesta audience).

Check the CAP forum for more information!

-Sik


I think this is the most important post of the thread.  (http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/happy/flash.gif)
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Post by: Pongo on July 14, 2004, 03:24:33 PM
That Micheal Hobuss guy is an eloquent man.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 03:30:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Edbert MOL


 The only reason I can see that the 418th would keep him onboard (now that it is clear that Metatron IS Voss) is that they value his contribution to their score/rank than they do their tainted reputation of having such a scumbag in their midst.  With all that is known accross all of these multiple flight sims and all of the various BBSes is "why would anyone want Voss in their squad"?

I just don't get it.


BINGO!!! Give the man a cigar!
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Post by: boxboy28 on July 14, 2004, 03:34:51 PM
Well i could give a RATS *** about any of this i just wanted to say

"IN"

cause its the bestest theard EVAR and going to be the buiggest thread evar in a few day stint~!

well till skuzzy locks it!

I bet HT is dying laughing at reading some of the stuff VOSSatron is writing!:aok
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Post by: Edbert on July 14, 2004, 03:41:09 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
BINGO!!! Give the man a cigar!

Well let me tell you this. The MOL was the #1 fighter squadron in Warbirds each tour for over a year, it was 14 consecutive tours. This was BEFORE the death of WB which started when AH came out.  I'm not gonna say it was not fun but I am gonna say that I am having just as much fun in 35th place (or wherever we are now) as I did back then. There are things more important in life and in the game than who is in 1st place fellas.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 03:41:15 PM
Quote
Originally posted by boxboy28

"IN"



I bet HT is dying laughing at reading some of the stuff VOSSatron is writing!:aok


No doubt! suprised the good folks at HTC didn't knock the servers out spewing coffee over 'em as they read his posts. The fact that he did all this is unreal, but the fact a human being as dishonest, maliciously warped, and totally messed up in the head as Voss/Metapotato is even allowed to exist by God is even more unreal. In fact, it almost begs the question, Is there a God? And if so, if he is a righteous and just God why has Voss/Metapotato not been struck dead by a rogue meteorite yet? :eek:

But, I digress.....



Zazen
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Post by: jaxxo on July 14, 2004, 03:53:58 PM
Weee more posts to read as i sit down after work :) Who is working on the book, screenplay and made for tv movie? and how do we split up the proceeds?
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Post by: Morpheus on July 14, 2004, 04:01:43 PM
holly SHEET!
400+ posts in 2 days time!

this has got to be a record!
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 14, 2004, 04:05:08 PM
Pssssssssssssst scorpion boy. I`m waiting. How`s the Rev?
 Oh and could you refreh my memory .... which book out of the series and what page did the big,  burly, guy while holding back the tears discuss all the accomplishments of "The Big Guy" that was laying in his death bed you used....errrrr , excuse me ,Birkes used in the pathetic description of his fallen hero VOSS in the post.
  I had all the series , but it`s been quite a while. I do remeber this in the book though. as a matter of fact it was used in a few of the series books. That Ironman could really get your blood pumpin. roflmao
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Post by: Hammy on July 14, 2004, 04:08:06 PM
i just wanna say one thing here, Meta is my friend and always will be no matter what you pillocks say, so hate him, hate me i couldnt give 2 flying shags what any of you think.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 04:10:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Edbert MOL
There are things more important in life and in the game than who is in 1st place fellas.


Obviously not to the 418th potatonets though! They have no problem selling their collective souls for the sake of it! :eek:

Zazen
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 04:13:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Hammy
i just wanna say one thing here, Meta is my friend and always will be no matter what you pillocks say, so hate him, hate me i couldnt give 2 flying shags what any of you think.


To paraphrase:

Nobody Loves me!
Everybody hates me!
I'm Going to the garden to eat worms!
yum...Yum!
Big, fat, juicy ones!
Long, slim, slimy ones!
Itty-Bitty, teeny-weenie worms!
Yum, YUM!
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Post by: Hammy on July 14, 2004, 04:14:20 PM
lol, u just pissed coz we wont climb to 30k to shoot yer belly.

anything lower and you die easily.

and yes  the term SUCKER seems very appropriate

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AH
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Post by: Revvin on July 14, 2004, 04:15:22 PM


[SIZE=12]IN[/SIZE]
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Post by: JB73 on July 14, 2004, 04:16:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MoRphEuS
holly SHEET!
400+ posts in 2 days time!

this has got to be a record!
naw stripperweb moved a little faster... though not much. i'd guess this will surpass it by tomorrow.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 04:17:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Hammy
lol, u just pissed  

 
Pissed?!?!?  I couldn't be happier! ! ;)

Now that I think of it, I have never been shot down by a potatonet that I can recall, I guess that's because I refuse to up from vulched fields ;)

Zazen
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Post by: Hammy on July 14, 2004, 04:18:14 PM
SUCKAH!
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Post by: Sikboy on July 14, 2004, 04:18:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
Pissed?!?!?  I couldn't be happier! ! ;)



Hmmm. This isn't convincing. Perhaps if you added a dozen "haha"s I'd believe you were happy.

-Sik
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Post by: Kieran on July 14, 2004, 04:19:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Hammy
i just wanna say one thing here, Meta is my friend and always will be no matter what you pillocks say, so hate him, hate me i couldnt give 2 flying shags what any of you think.


Don't lend him any $.
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Post by: midnight Target on July 14, 2004, 04:20:13 PM
Jr. High must be out.

Only peopple I know who could possibly think they've won an argument by claiming they play the game better.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 04:20:35 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sikboy
Hmmm. This isn't convincing. Perhaps if you added a dozen "haha"s I'd believe you were happy.

-Sik


Couldn't be bothered, I was going to cut and paste Hammy's but they were too 'maniacal' looking. :eek:
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Post by: Ripsnort on July 14, 2004, 04:21:04 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Revvin


[SIZE=12]IN[/SIZE]


ROTFLMWAO!!!!:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Post by: Pongo on July 14, 2004, 04:41:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
Pssssssssssssst scorpion boy. I`m waiting. How`s the Rev?
 Oh and could you refreh my memory .... which book out of the series and what page did the big,  burly, guy while holding back the tears discuss all the accomplishments of "The Big Guy" that was laying in his death bed you used....errrrr , excuse me ,Birkes used in the pathetic description of his fallen hero VOSS in the post.
  I had all the series , but it`s been quite a while. I do remeber this in the book though. as a matter of fact it was used in a few of the series books. That Ironman could really get your blood pumpin. roflmao


That was Ironman! it was a cult classic. I could see vosses head spinning arround as he typed it.
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Post by: 2shad4u on July 14, 2004, 04:42:54 PM
another thread bashing :rolleyes:
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 14, 2004, 04:53:16 PM
Quote
Originally posted by jaxxo
Weee more posts to read as i sit down after work :) Who is working on the book, screenplay and made for tv movie? and how do we split up the proceeds?

A  new line cinima Movie
A spielberg/eastwood/Citabria production
Directed by John Woo
The cast:
Johnny Depp as Fester/Cit
Richard Simmons as Voss/Metaton
Mel Gibson as Hitech
Cristopher Walken as Skuzzy
Christian Slater as sicboy
Ed Harris as Ripsnort
Lou Diamond Phillips as Zazen13
Wildcrd as Himself
Victoria Pratt as Herself
Tom Cruise as Westy
Amy the talking /flying Gorilla as jaxxo
Whoever that big breasted hotchicky babe in morphs avatar is as Morpheous
Keifer Sutherland as Furball
Whilliam Shatner as Busher
Mike Myers as TheDudeDVant
Reprising his role as Clowney from "spawn" John Leguizamo as Hammy
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Post by: flyingaround on July 14, 2004, 04:59:21 PM
No amount of ability is of the slightest avail without honor.
-- Andrew Carnegie


I for one would be disgusted to find I was in a squad with meta/voss.

(oh yeah IN)
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Post by: deSelys on July 14, 2004, 05:07:49 PM
C'mon Willcrd! For Ripsnort, I see nobody else than Ed Harris....
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Post by: Furball on July 14, 2004, 05:09:38 PM
how about for ripsnort...

pierluigi collina

(http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/06/29/images/2002062901752001.jpg)
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Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 05:14:16 PM
7 Easy Steps To Become A Ninja...

(http://www.auburn.edu/~millisr/pics/ninjalesson.jpg)
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Post by: Furball on July 14, 2004, 05:16:22 PM
did you make that with the t-shirt you got for christmas dweebjay? :D
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Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 05:23:15 PM
ROFL  no, these are my ninjas....

(http://www.starwars.stopklatka.pl/images/ewoks.jpg)
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Post by: jaxxo on July 14, 2004, 05:27:18 PM
lol. Cool i get to be a flying gorilla. I assume I would have more lines than you since my vocabulary would is more extensive :P
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Post by: -MZ- on July 14, 2004, 05:29:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by jaxxo
I assume I would have more lines than you since my vocabulary would is more extensive :P


Or maybe not...
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Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 05:31:45 PM
BTW, Furby...   (http://epod.usra.edu/archive/images/8_27_03_web.jpg)
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 14, 2004, 05:31:53 PM
Quote
Originally posted by jaxxo
lol. Cool i get to be a flying gorilla. I assume I would have more lines than you since my vocabulary would is more extensive :P


I was going by your avatar
and my lines would mainly consist of "whos your daddy!" and lots of oh yeah baby oh oh oh oh!!!!!!!" ect.
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Post by: Furball on July 14, 2004, 05:35:37 PM
NEWSFLASH: this just in, Victoria Pratt cant do the part and has been replaced by Roseanne Barr.
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Post by: Furball on July 14, 2004, 05:40:23 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DJ111
BTW, Furby...   (http://epod.usra.edu/archive/images/8_27_03_web.jpg)


j00 iz TeH SüX×0rZ!11!!!11!!


http://www.decaturco.k12.in.us/space/spaceimages/sat5_as500f.jpg



Teh L³³T! 1!!1
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Post by: Westy on July 14, 2004, 05:42:56 PM
"Tom Cruise as Westy"



"I'm gonna hit the brakes.  Voss'll fly right by!.

"The Defense Department regrets to inform you Voss that you're dead because you were stupid".


and his famous online Vossmocking salute...

"LUNCHTIME!"



Perfect fit.   You rock, thanks!   :D
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 14, 2004, 05:45:20 PM
This flamefest is gradually degenerating into a discussion.
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 14, 2004, 05:46:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Furball
NEWSFLASH: this just in, Victoria Pratt cant do the part and has been replaced by Roseanne Barr.


NEWSFLASH: vicky back in!!
In other news Furballs character might get  a casting change due to tensions with the "casting director" negotiations are still possible at this time / a source close to the the casting directer was quoted as saying on condition of animinity.
Sources also say that "Garfield" is interested in the part
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 14, 2004, 05:55:24 PM
I will do my part then!


SHUT UP Capt Porkingsheep!!!


HAH HA! Now they all know your true ID!:D

The thread Voss/metaScum started in general may be pulling posts from this one... lol.

He really is a great spokesman for the Hornets.
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Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 06:01:28 PM
1 s1c meh l33t n1nja catz 0n j00 Furby!!!111

(http://www.tomservo.cc/show.aspx/karate_kat.jpg)


T3h l33tn3ss!!
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Post by: Hammy on July 14, 2004, 06:07:57 PM
that cat looks just like Zazen after he was SUCKERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ROFLMAO
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Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 06:08:12 PM
(http://www.tomservo.cc/show.aspx/stupid.gif)
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 06:14:56 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Hammy
that cat looks just like Zazen after he was SUCKERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ROFLMAO


I didn't give Voss any money. My liquid assets were all tied up in some choice swampland in Florida at the time, fortunately...:rofl


Zazen
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Post by: Arlo on July 14, 2004, 06:18:15 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Hammy
i just wanna say one thing here, Meta is my friend and always will be no matter what you pillocks say, so hate him, hate me i couldnt give 2 flying shags what any of you think.


Damn, Hammy .... couldn't ya find any real friends? Hell, I'd give odds that adopting a random homeless drunk in an alley could do you better. Or maybe join the crypts or bloods. For what it may end up costing you in the long run you could pay me to be your friend and you'll probably come off with a much better deal. :D
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Post by: Hammy on July 14, 2004, 06:18:47 PM
aye, theres money in them thar swamps

I havent, nor never will give money to anyone on the internet lol, i was brought up better than that hehehehe

get a life sucker
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 14, 2004, 06:25:46 PM
Look a guy who defends a con man by making fun of the marks. How classy.
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Post by: Hammy on July 14, 2004, 06:29:44 PM
another sucker  ^
                           |
                           |

:rofl
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 14, 2004, 06:32:45 PM
Nope never been sucker by a con man.


I just know a low life when I see one.


I am sorry to say you look like one. You are not going to help Voss or make your sqaudron look any better by acting like you are in this thread.


I know I am wasting my breath here, I am just another sucker to you.
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Post by: Hammy on July 14, 2004, 06:37:12 PM
yup sucker
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Post by: Arlo on July 14, 2004, 06:38:28 PM
(Whaps Hammy upside the back of his head)

Sorry, mate ... had to do it ... your needle was terminally stuck. :D
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Post by: Westy on July 14, 2004, 06:39:50 PM
I have the pic Voss doctored to show him in a P-51 cockpit and the TAS Spitfire screenshot. No way to post them though.
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 14, 2004, 06:41:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Westy
I have the pic Voss doctored to show him in a P-51 cockpit and the TAS Spitfire screenshot. No way to post them though.

can ya email them? Maybe one of us can post it

emails in sig
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Post by: Arlo on July 14, 2004, 06:42:16 PM
I'll host `em, Westy. :D

arlogu3@yahoo.com
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Post by: Westy on July 14, 2004, 06:45:32 PM
On thier way Wildcard. You too Arlo! thanks.
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Post by: Hammy on July 14, 2004, 06:46:55 PM
lol westy, u really do need to get a life mate
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Post by: Redd on July 14, 2004, 06:53:12 PM
Quote
Originally posted by WilldCrd
A  new line cinima Movie
A spielberg/eastwood/Citabria production
Directed by John Woo
The cast:
Johnny Depp as Fester/Cit
Richard Simmons as Voss/Metaton
Mel Gibson as Hitech
Cristopher Walken as Skuzzy
Christian Slater as sicboy
Ed Harris as Ripsnort
Lou Diamond Phillips as Zazen13
Wildcrd as Himself
Victoria Pratt as Herself
Tom Cruise as Westy
Amy the talking /flying Gorilla as jaxxo
Whoever that big breasted hotchicky babe in morphs avatar is as Morpheous
Keifer Sutherland as Furball
Whilliam Shatner as Busher
Mike Myers as TheDudeDVant
Reprising his role as Clowney from "spawn" John Leguizamo as Hammy




I'm picturing Hammy more as Hervé Villechaize .  ( running around yelling "de planes de planes  -  suckaaaaaaaa's ")




Shame he's unavailable for the part
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Post by: Gunslinger on July 14, 2004, 06:53:33 PM
U guys are almost to 500 posts.....keep it up!
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Post by: Arlo on July 14, 2004, 06:54:40 PM
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/vossdork.jpg)
Here's a pic of Voss "getting a life" ... sorta. :D

(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/tas30000.gif)

It looks so real! :aok
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 14, 2004, 06:58:10 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/vossdork.jpg)
Here's a pic of Voss "getting a life" ... sorta. :D

(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/tas30000.gif)

It looks so real! :aok


AAAAHHHH ya beat me to it
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Post by: Arlo on July 14, 2004, 07:01:37 PM
That's actually a foist for me. :D
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Post by: Citabria on July 14, 2004, 07:07:49 PM
i kinda feel sorry for little hammy. poor little guy is like a loyal little terrier to an evil master.
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 14, 2004, 07:12:15 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
i kinda feel sorry for little hammy. poor little guy is like a loyal little terrier to an evil master.


Kind of like a MiniVoss?

eskimo
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 14, 2004, 07:22:40 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MetaTron
Anyone that sent money, provide proof. I will return any money you SUCKERS lost. Apparently you fell victim to Hobuss, not I, but I will make good on this promise to return funds.

FesterA77, I suggest you go **** yourself. You weren't involved in any of the debacle of TAS, obviously, as you are too young to have even been around.

I also know it's you flying under the handle of VOSS. Hobuss couldn't manage to score with an 80yr old hooker.


Page 2
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 14, 2004, 07:23:00 PM
Quote
Kind of like a MiniVoss?


oh classic!!:rofl
Might have to change some of my casting decisions
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Post by: Arlo on July 14, 2004, 07:36:01 PM
We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, What is our policy? I will say; "It is to defend Voss, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us: to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy." You ask, What is our aim? I can answer with one word: Voss - Voss at all costs, Voss in spite of all terror, Voss however long and hard the road may be; for without Voss there is no survival."

...We shall not flag nor fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall defend his pettiness and lack of moral fibre on the seas and oceans; we shall defend his previous and unrepentant acts with growing confidence and growing strength in the air. We shall defend Voss whatever the cost may be; we shall fight on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills. We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, our squadron were subjugated and starving, then our members beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the inbred knowledge that "if he can get away with it - then the boy is good", will carry on the struggle until in Voss's good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old."

Upon this battle depends the survival of Voss's reputation. Upon it depends our own reputation and the long continuity of our institutions and our squadron. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us now. Critics of Voss know that they will have to break us in this stand or lose the war. If we can stand up to them, all online simdom may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including Aces High, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the mighty Hornets and its good reputation last for a thousand years, men will say, "This was their finest hour."
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 14, 2004, 07:39:30 PM
LOL Arlo!


Can Arlo be cast as Winston Churchill?
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Post by: milnko on July 14, 2004, 07:45:04 PM
[Taps foot idlely wondering where Skuzzy is]

IN!
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 07:50:39 PM
Quote
Originally posted by milnko
[Taps foot idlely wondering where Skuzzy is]

IN!


He's probably right here reading all of this as awestruck and flabergasted as we all are, wondering what kind of festering dung heep Voss/Metapotato crawled out from.

Zazen
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 14, 2004, 07:56:04 PM
I wonder if Voss claiming HT stole his ideas amuses( lol what a sad sad little mad)

Or Pisses him off (Jeez why does this loser keeping coming to MY forums!!) ?


Prolly amuses since he has not been perma banned.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 08:05:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GtoRA2
I wonder if Voss claiming HT stole his ideas amuses( lol what a sad sad little mad)

Or Pisses him off (Jeez why does this loser keeping coming to MY forums!!) ?


Prolly amuses since he has not been perma banned.


I seriously doubt that Voss' claims of HiTech stealing source codes for AH amuses him. HiTech was sued by Warbirds claiming HiTech was using their intellectual property in AH. I think he even mentioned in the arena his lawyers to litigate the case were costing HTC $10,000 a month. So, I don't see him finding Voss' claims very funny at all.
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 14, 2004, 08:09:22 PM
Zaz
Good point, but as much of a tard as the wild Bill guy is, he has lawyers and ran a company, I read all the stuff HT posted and firmly believe the bill guy has no case and will lose.


Voss making a claim like that is similar to a mental patient making it, It just has no merit or value and no one with two brain cells would give it a serious thought.
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Post by: Arlo on July 14, 2004, 08:11:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GtoRA2
LOL Arlo!


Can Arlo be cast as Winston Churchill?


(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/arlohill01.jpg)
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/arlohill02.jpg)
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/arlohill03.jpg)
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Post by: Meatwad on July 14, 2004, 08:11:46 PM
Wow already 12 pages, guess no end!
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 14, 2004, 08:13:58 PM
Arlo
 I looked for ya In the CT last friday and ya didnt see ya! lol, I wanted to fly with you guys.

Thursdays are still bad for me though :(

Do you fly the CAPS?
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Post by: Arlo on July 14, 2004, 08:15:36 PM
Sorry. Been hell week here. Once a year thing. Should ease off Saturday. Gonna pitch CAP to the squad again this week. CAP's pretty fun.
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 14, 2004, 08:19:17 PM
Could I fly with ya guys in Cap?
I plan on being there if I can stand sitting up.

Back pain out of know were that past few days. :(
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Post by: Arlo on July 14, 2004, 08:21:59 PM
Sure thing! Hope the back get's to feelin' better. This Friday's a no-go for me but if you see any other JRs up - just say I sent ya and they'll toss ya a uniform. Blue planes fly in CAP this Friday. :D
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Post by: Edbert on July 14, 2004, 08:22:43 PM
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Zaz
Good point, but as much of a tard as the wild Bill guy is, he has lawyers and ran a company, I read all the stuff HT posted and firmly believe the bill guy has no case and will lose.


Voss making a claim like that is similar to a mental patient making it, It just has no merit or value and no one with two brain cells would give it a serious thought.


There's a difference between Wild Bill claiming that HT stole his code and metavoss saying so. With regards to Wild Bill and Warbirds...there is at least one line of code to be stolen.
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 14, 2004, 08:24:30 PM
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Wow already 12 pages, guess no end!


huh? no we only up to ten so far
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Post by: Jaxxon on July 14, 2004, 08:26:51 PM
Interesting thread. I love reading about flight sim community history.
If there's as many people flying AH, as there is posting in this topic, it may be worth checking out ;)
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Post by: B17Skull12 on July 14, 2004, 08:27:52 PM
in a week i predict this thread will have over 20 pages.
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Post by: airbumba on July 14, 2004, 08:28:35 PM
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Originally posted by Redd
I'm picturing Hammy more as Hervé Villechaize .  ( running around yelling "de planes de planes  -  suckaaaaaaaa's ")




Shame he's unavailable for the part



http://tradedforwheat.com/meshugenah/deplane.html

http://tradedforwheat.com/meshugenah/dancingherve.html
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 14, 2004, 08:29:10 PM
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Originally posted by Jaxxon
Interesting thread. I love reading about flight sim community history.
If there's as many people flying AH, as there is posting in this topic, it may be worth checking out ;)


Meet Voss's newest identity.
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Post by: BUG_EAF322 on July 14, 2004, 08:30:16 PM
and the beat goes on
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Post by: Jaxxon on July 14, 2004, 08:35:29 PM
Yup, I'm Voss :rolleyes:
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 14, 2004, 08:38:57 PM
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Originally posted by Jaxxon
Yup, I'm Voss :rolleyes:


Well, if you're not, you'd be the first newb poster on this thread to be able to boast such a thing.
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Post by: SLO on July 14, 2004, 08:41:31 PM
damn that energizer bunny really does keep goin and goin and goin
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Post by: DrDea on July 14, 2004, 08:58:30 PM
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
The only reason I can see that the 418th would keep him onboard (now that it is clear that Metatron IS Voss) is that they value his contribution to their score/rank than they do their tainted reputation of having such a scumbag in their midst.  With all that is known accross all of these multiple flight sims and all of the various BBSes is "why would anyone want Voss in their squad"?

I just don't get it.


neither do the rest of us.If he had been in the BOP's,Flying Circus or the Turks,That POS would have hit the curb so fast he would have THOUGHT he was a new flight sim.I guess some people think score is more important than respect.:rolleyes:
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Post by: Sandman on July 14, 2004, 09:01:08 PM
This has got to be some sort of record around here... two days and almost 500 posts.
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Post by: Jaxxon on July 14, 2004, 09:02:08 PM
The thread prompted me to post.
As I said, I've been toying with the idea of giving AH a try, was here a few years ago.
Gave up my WW2OL account and thought I'd check this place out.
Most Ex/current WBer's know me from the kill buffer ... (kill of jaxxon by *****) :)
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Post by: DrDea on July 14, 2004, 09:06:21 PM
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Originally posted by Hammy
lol, u just pissed coz we wont climb to 30k to shoot yer belly.

anything lower and you die easily.

and yes  the term SUCKER seems very appropriate

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AH


Yea its Appropriate.The Hornets will lose MUCH face and respect after this blows over but ya know what?I dont think HT gives a rats ass.He hasnt even said calm down guys.See...he hates scumbags too.I think by now its obvious unless you guys think not only Voss Metadork is not only pure as the driven slush,but that HT hasnt been in the office since this started.Oops.They moved the thread without reading it.Thats right.Oh boy.Wait till they actually READ it and see some of the horrid things said.Theres gonna be ZILCH to pay.We hate scumbags.And those that support them.
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Post by: DrDea on July 14, 2004, 09:12:24 PM
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Originally posted by Hammy
that cat looks just like Zazen after he was SUCKERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ROFLMAO


  Damn it Hammy you and I flew some together in AH.You remember that stuff?I always thought you a bit more on the ball to be somewhat defending a KNOWN con artist.Come on.Get it together and stand up for whats right.Hes a POS.The very fact that none of the HT staff has said jack about this....TEN PAGES LATER is a SLIGHT clue dont you think?
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Post by: B17Skull12 on July 14, 2004, 09:17:45 PM
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Originally posted by Metavoss
Due to a recent change in my circumstances I am looking for new recruits. Long term flight sim experience is not necessary, in fact may be a hinderance.

Squad nights are Monday to Saturday 9:00 am to 11:00 pm.

Experience wth advanced graphics software is not a pre-requisite but along with basic forgery skills will be looked upon favourably.




Metavoss


Commander in Chief,  B Bsa, Dip Shti
rofl!!!!:rofl
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Post by: SLO on July 14, 2004, 09:23:52 PM
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Originally posted by DrDea
.The Hornets will lose MUCH face and respect after this blows over  


we suppose to give a watermelon what some BBS nutcases think.....

sorry we can't go so damn low....know what I mean:)
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Post by: SirLoin on July 14, 2004, 09:43:46 PM
499!..Lol..Who will be the winner?:D
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Post by: DrDea on July 14, 2004, 09:45:17 PM
Sorry but the evidence is out there unless your totally blind.I feel for you guys.I really do.You had no Idea he was voss but tell me.Where ONCE in any of these threads did Meta deny he was Voss?Think about it.Never and I MEAN never.So the facts are,you guys dont care.So be it.
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 14, 2004, 09:45:39 PM
500
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Post by: SirLoin on July 14, 2004, 09:48:06 PM
Missed it by 1 Eskimo...:p
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 14, 2004, 09:51:24 PM
Any predictions on how long it will be before somebody links this thread to the Peta website?
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Post by: -ammo- on July 14, 2004, 09:57:16 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
The BK's are pretty loose but we sure as hell wouldn't have voss/metavoss in our squad.  

We have turned down people in the past... basicly... if someone in the squad doesn't like em.... they don't get in.

I most dislike meta voss because he is so unrepentant.   Someone that unrepentant  is simply waiting for things to die down for his next scam.   With him, I think it is important to bring this up every 6 months or so.

This was really over the top stuff and the person who was the subject of it is still around and not admitting any wrongdoing.

lazs


Thats not completely true.  You told me you didn't like me but you let me in.  Hypocrit...:D
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Post by: Westy on July 14, 2004, 10:06:09 PM
"we suppose to give a chit..."

 Absolutely. As shown by you and several others from your squat by continually posting in support for your bud the ripoff man.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 10:13:28 PM
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123682

Read this thread by Metatron, he uses his Voss account to reply vehemently in rebuttal. As an aside, a couple of his squaddies pull down their pants and show their arses, funny stuff! :lol

Zazen
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Post by: Trell on July 14, 2004, 10:32:45 PM
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Originally posted by DrDea
neither do the rest of us.If he had been in the BOP's,Flying Circus or the Turks,That POS would have hit the curb so fast he would have THOUGHT he was a new flight sim.I guess some people think score is more important than respect.:rolleyes:


Aww come on doc,  as one of the satire kings, you have to see how funny this is,all these guys chasing voss around,  Geeze he has his own fan club,  I would consider him the monica lewinsky of the flight sim community,   He will never live it down, It will folow him where ever he goes,  But it was not bad enough to jail him.

I would never lend him any money,  but i never would before either
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Post by: Red Tail 444 on July 14, 2004, 10:42:04 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
yep... the whole saga is just so over the top unbelievable that you can't help but despise the man in his total dishonesty...

since he is not the least repentant then I would say that a sqaud that embraces and defends him is pretty strange and comprised of pretty strange folk.lazs


We banned some clown from our squad when we realized he was lying about several personal issues we unwittingly supported him for, which turned out to be false. Coupled with questionalbe AH behavior, we felt it best to get rid of him and never look back.

Our ranking fell considerably, but there are many things more important than some silly internet ranking system. One of them is integrity.

Hit the nail on the head, lazs.
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 14, 2004, 10:47:58 PM
Red tail!
 Exactly! Your sqauds good name and rep should me be more important then protection a scum bag for what ever reason.


Though the behavior of some of the Hornets in this thread and others is sad and they have done more harm in my opinion to their sqauds reps by how they are acting then Voss ever could have.

Defending a scum bag is bad. Defending a scum bag by acting like one is sad.

I do not think anyone started out to bash either the 13th TAS or the hornets. Nor at first did either have anything to be ashamed of.


The 13th TAS still doesn't.
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 14, 2004, 10:48:26 PM
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
This Voss guy really using the name MetaTron now?

Or are you guys just giving this guy a hard time?


Funny how there's always a junior member that pops into these threads, with less than ten posts to their credit, and already itching to put in their 2 cents.
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Post by: Gunslinger on July 14, 2004, 10:53:47 PM
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Funny how there's always a junior member that pops into these threads, with less than ten posts to their credit, and already itching to put in their 2 cents.


speaking of wich.......Its not that I dont want to read through 510 posts BUT.....is this a true story or pure fiction
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Post by: Trell on July 14, 2004, 10:57:08 PM
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
speaking of wich.......Its not that I dont want to read through 510 posts BUT.....is this a true story or pure fiction


I believe there is alot of truth in this,  But i also think that  it has become a tall tail after the fact,
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 14, 2004, 10:58:02 PM
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
speaking of wich.......Its not that I dont want to read through 510 posts BUT.....is this a true story or pure fiction


Sort of reminds me of the days when Black's various Jekyl and Hydes would pop in randomly to give praise to Stevie Ray Vaugn.
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Post by: NUKE on July 14, 2004, 11:05:51 PM
Man, this thread could break all records. Seems like HTC doesn't mind people reminding everyone about Voss and his lies. :cool:

All  scumbags like Voss need to be roasted over the coals imo.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 11:06:28 PM
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Red tail!
 Exactly! Your sqauds good name and rep should me be more important then protection a scum bag for what ever reason.


Though the behavior of some of the Hornets in this thread and others is sad and they have done more harm in my opinion to their sqauds reps by how they are acting then Voss ever could have.

Defending a scum bag is bad. Defending a scum bag by acting like one is sad.

I do not think anyone started out to bash either the 13th TAS or the hornets. Nor at first did either have anything to be ashamed of.


The 13th TAS still doesn't.


Given the opportunity and a situation where there is high emotion, people tend to show their true colors. I think if you read posts from Voss' squadmates, you begin to gleen some insight into why they are "OK" with having him in their squad.

Birds of a feather flock together...

Zazen
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Post by: NUKE on July 14, 2004, 11:10:42 PM
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Given the opportunity and a situation where there is high emotion, people tend to show their true colors. I think if you read posts from Voss' squadmates, you begin to gleen some insight into why they are "OK" with having him in their squad.

Birds of a feather flock together...

Zazen


No, I don't think that's true. The guys in the squad may only know one of Voss's personalities.. :lol  


Seriously, I wouldn't bag on the squad or it's other members myself. A lot of great guys in that squad imo.
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 14, 2004, 11:16:15 PM
Nuke
 I am not bagging on the other members, just the ones who have made tulips out of themselves here.


and over Voss.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 14, 2004, 11:16:19 PM
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Originally posted by NUKE
No, I don't think that's true. The guys in the squad may only know one of Voss's personalities.. :lol  


Seriously, I wouldn't bag on the squad or it's other members myself. A lot of great guys in that squad imo.


Good point! Not bagging the whole squad, just the one's with the...ummmm...freaky, "we worship Voss", posts in here.:eek:
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Post by: Gunslinger on July 14, 2004, 11:16:37 PM
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Sort of reminds me of the days when Black's various Jekyl and Hydes would pop in randomly to give praise to Stevie Ray Vaugn.


Cmon Pork....I've been posting long enough that you of all people should know I am not now nor have I ever been an alias or second personality of Mr. Black.  

Man is that how its going to be?  It's not like I'm "new" compared to some I am but at least my account was registered last year!
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 14, 2004, 11:18:01 PM
Gunslinger,
 Find MiniDs and Smuts posts they give a pretty good acount, and I think it is mostly true.

Strangley I remeber Voss from WBs I think, and thought he was OK there, I quit before this happened though.

All the google evidence it their for the most part still if you search.
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Post by: snapperhead on July 14, 2004, 11:24:33 PM
In?
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Post by: Airhead on July 14, 2004, 11:27:04 PM
If I were in the 418th I'd tell you guys to eat feces and die if you don't like who's in our Squad- it's none of your fuggin business. If Voss ripped you off then sue him, otherwise STFU.

 And if you're so shallow you can't have a relationship with anyone here beyond what make believe squad playing a make believe aeroplane game they belong to then you need to unplug your computer and get a REAL life.

Sheeesh man, 500 posts ??? :rolleyes:
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Post by: NUKE on July 14, 2004, 11:31:39 PM
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Originally posted by Airhead
If I were in the 418th I'd tell you guys to eat feces and die if you don't like who's in our Squad- it's none of your fuggin business. If Voss ripped you off then sue him, otherwise STFU.

 And if you're so shallow you can't have a relationship with anyone here beyond what make believe squad playing a make believe aeroplane game they belong to then you need to unplug your computer and get a REAL life.

Sheeesh man, 500 posts ??? :rolleyes:


But conversley, to the squad it shouldn't matter if people are baggin on Voss, it's none of their business.
Title: Question
Post by: Drunky on July 14, 2004, 11:34:14 PM
Why haven't other Hornets posted?

It looks like Rip has gotten silent and now only Slo and Hammy (like I could take either of these two seriously) are defend their squadmate MetaVoss.

Where are the other esteemed members of the Hornets to defend their 'wrongfully accussed' squad mate?

P.S. Hammy, you are just stupid with your 'SUCKER' monologue.  And Slo just tries to aggravate people but still only provides banal tripe.

Enjoy!
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Post by: DrDea on July 14, 2004, 11:34:22 PM
There is no IN guys.This is an HT aproved remind the community of what this salamander did posting.If theres any doubts.Look at the ammounts of posts made with no "come on guys" reminder. Hornets.Ever see someone get bashed this much with no HT interfearence?COME ON GUYS!!!!!GET A FUGGIN CLUE!!!!!Kicke his worthless bellybutton to the curb.  God are the hornets this clueless?Has the no HT interfearence made no impression on them?
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Post by: midnight Target on July 14, 2004, 11:34:35 PM
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Originally posted by Airhead
If I were in the 418th I'd tell you guys to eat feces and die if you don't like who's in our Squad- it's none of your fuggin business. If Voss ripped you off then sue him, otherwise STFU.

 And if you're so shallow you can't have a relationship with anyone here beyond what make believe squad playing a make believe aeroplane game they belong to then you need to unplug your computer and get a REAL life.

Sheeesh man, 500 posts ??? :rolleyes:


Left wing nutburger.

:cool:
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 14, 2004, 11:42:23 PM
LOL the thing about any of airheads post recently, is you just can not take them seriously.

He used to be funny, and now I can not tell if he is trying to be funny or if he is really pissed off.
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Post by: Arlo on July 14, 2004, 11:46:28 PM
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Originally posted by Airhead
If I were in the 418th I'd tell you guys to eat feces and die if you don't like who's in our Squad- it's none of your fuggin business. If Voss ripped you off then sue him, otherwise STFU.

 And if you're so shallow you can't have a relationship with anyone here beyond what make believe squad playing a make believe aeroplane game they belong to then you need to unplug your computer and get a REAL life.

Sheeesh man, 500 posts ??? :rolleyes:


Well if you were in the 418th (or not) and decided to post that (which you did anyway) then I'd have to laugh at you for being stupid.

The whole POINT is the fact that what Voss has done and is still capable of doing surpasses a mere squadron roster. The crap he's capable of pulling actually DID (and can STILL) have a negative impact on people's real lives. And if left alone to do it he will ... again.

Should the thread die or keep rolling? Well, basically it's more than served it's purpose. Anyone who hasn't seen it doesn't even log on to read the forums. Anyone who still wants to have anything to do with Voss in any capacity after having read it would feel that way no matter what's been revealed here.

Will it be brought up again in the future? More than likely. As long as Voss sticks around .... definately.

Don't like it? I'm sure most of us will get over that. :D :aok
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Post by: Drunky on July 14, 2004, 11:52:22 PM
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
LOL the thing about any of airheads post recently, is you just can not take them seriously.

He used to be funny, and now I can not tell if he is trying to be funny or if he is really pissed off.


Even if he is being serious, it doesn't matter to me anymore as I only take Airhead's posts as inflammatory spouts of drivel.  This way you protect yourself in case he is being silly and piss him off in case he is being serious.  I consider this a win-win situation for me.
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Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 11:56:33 PM
(http://www.ncaabbs.com/newgraemlins/bsmeter.gif)

and

(http://www.ncaabbs.com/newgraemlins/deargod.jpg)
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Post by: storch on July 14, 2004, 11:58:24 PM
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Originally posted by DrDea
There is no IN guys.This is an HT aproved remind the community of what this salamander did posting.If theres any doubts.Look at the ammounts of posts made with no "come on guys" reminder. Hornets.Ever see someone get bashed this much with no HT interfearence?COME ON GUYS!!!!!GET A FUGGIN CLUE!!!!!Kicke his worthless bellybutton to the curb.  God are the hornets this clueless?Has the no HT interfearence made no impression on them?


Does HT still accept his $14.95?
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Post by: LePaul on July 14, 2004, 11:59:03 PM
Wholly kwap...

This is like a Twilight Zone version of "To Tell The Truth"
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 15, 2004, 12:06:48 AM
How long was the stripper thread?
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Post by: DrDea on July 15, 2004, 12:07:55 AM
Storch......is HT ignoreing this thread?Why?
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Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 12:09:21 AM
(http://www.ncaabbs.com/newgraemlins/ohdrama.jpg)
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Post by: Pongo on July 15, 2004, 12:15:08 AM
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Originally posted by Trell
I believe there is alot of truth in this,  But i also think that  it has become a tall tail after the fact,


Thats the funny part. The most fantastic parts are totally true.

Im not going to look through all 500 posts. But right in this thread, again. Voss says that HTC violated his intelectual property for a game that never even existed.  at all. Nothing.
If you havent seen the posts from Oneman about Ironman you must. It is hard to believe. but the guy would fabricate total different personas(with easily identified exaclty the same writting style) to defend himself. To say he was in the gulf shooting down migs for the CIA.
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Post by: Drunky on July 15, 2004, 12:27:15 AM
Pongo,

I thought you were a liberal Canadian.  You are making too much sense.  Stop it.
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Post by: Red Tail 444 on July 15, 2004, 12:28:31 AM
He IS in the CIA, but the acronym is not what one might expect. I believe his affiliation is:

Completely...Insane...Asshat

And, in fact, he isan Army of One.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 15, 2004, 12:29:18 AM
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Originally posted by Pongo
Thats the funny part. The most fantastic parts are totally true.

Im not going to look through all 500 posts. But right in this thread, again. Voss says that HTC violated his intelectual property for a game that never even existed.  at all. Nothing.
If you havent seen the posts from Oneman about Ironman you must. It is hard to believe. but the guy would fabricate total different personas(with easily identified exaclty the same writting style) to defend himself. To say he was in the gulf shooting down migs for the CIA.


Yea, that's how we first realized Voss = Metapotato. The format of the posts was exactly identical. The same exact sentence structure, vocabulary, syntax, punctuation use, right down to the masking of 'pretend word' profanity.

It is because of this I do not believe he is a true schizophrenic. If he were, each 'personality' would have a different writing style altogether. Research has proven that in the case of true multiple personalities each resides in it's own compartmentalized part of the brain. Each has it's own unique 'memories'. In some instances the alternate personalities know languages the primary personality does not. Handwriting analysis has also been employed and divergent personalities can even have very unique handwriting. Forensic handwriting specialists cannot even identify the alternate personalities' as the same as the core personality through comprehensive analysis.

So, Voss/Metapotato is most certainly a sociopath, but he is not likely schizophrenic in the classic sense. The multiple personality thing is just a  very conscious contrivance to manipulate people and situations for his own maliciously selfish ends. That's what makes him truly dangerous.

Zazen
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Post by: stiehl on July 15, 2004, 01:09:30 AM
fascinating!!
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Post by: Flit on July 15, 2004, 01:17:12 AM
daggone, youguys are posting faster then I can read it:D
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Post by: majic on July 15, 2004, 01:29:33 AM
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
How long was the stripper thread?



655 posts.
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Post by: Scrap on July 15, 2004, 02:01:56 AM
I have been reading for over two hours now....

I am tired, and want to go to bed...

This is all very exciting, yet pretty damn depressing.  Goodnight all, I will have to finish after work tomorrow.  
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Post by: deSelys on July 15, 2004, 02:28:15 AM
This could make a 6 hours long Jerry Springer show!
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 15, 2004, 02:31:51 AM
Its better than daytime drama TV!!
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 15, 2004, 03:22:53 AM
Took me a while to put the character names together, but I found them.
  The heart wrenching story by John "Oneman" Birks of his visit with VOSS while he was on his deathbed posted a couple of pages back is hilarious.
  To start with we all know "Oneman" Birkes and VOSS are the same person..............errr well living in the same body.
  Now, here`s the real kicker. The saddening story of this All American Hero that has been struck down and his surrounding of staunch friends  all came from a series of books printed in the 80`s.

Check out these characters from the book series....................... ....
". . . Rosario "Pol" Blancanales, Hermann "Gadgets" Schwarz, and Carl "Ironman" Lyons (with Ironman as team leader).

I`m sure proud the old Ironman pulled through again.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Furball on July 15, 2004, 03:23:42 AM
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Originally posted by DJ111
1 s1c meh l33t n1nja catz 0n j00 Furby!!!111

(http://www.tomservo.cc/show.aspx/karate_kat.jpg)


T3h l33tn3ss!!



AHHHH TEH L33T NINJA CATS WITH DEATHRAY EYES!!!! IT BURNS, IT BURNS!!  j00 is teh haxxor.
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 15, 2004, 03:30:02 AM
Voss is making an bellybutton out of himself in a whole new thread in main.Why can't he come here and do it?:D
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 15, 2004, 03:46:02 AM
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Voss is making an bellybutton out of himself in a whole new thread in main.Why can't he come here and do it?:D


dunno earlier I had 4 browsers open trying to stay on top of all the action! Cant wait til later this afternoon to see what happens next! Hopefully Cit will stir the pot some more before someone at HTC decides to try and end  The Neverending dweebery of VOSS!!!

hey maybe we could do a series of books!? they practically write themselves!
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 15, 2004, 03:49:29 AM
With the two new thread he has started in Main I think when Skuz gets in he will be banned and Skuzzy will cleam it all up. Prolly this one too.



Voss really has proven he is a lowlife. I can't see how anyone can doubt it now.
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 15, 2004, 03:57:08 AM
Skuzzy gonna have his work cut out for him thats for sure.
But they let it go over 500 posts soooo the others might be right about HT wanting his players to know about the scam thing and who did it and who he is now....in all his errr forms
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: GtoRA2 on July 15, 2004, 04:26:42 AM
As bad as this thread is the ones in General are worse. I think they went over the top.
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Post by: Citabria on July 15, 2004, 04:41:25 AM
I think the two off topic threads in the MA will be locked but they might leave this thread open due to the fact that it has almost the full story of the TAS scam and to me it is absolutely fascinating the level of bull**** that Paul "metavoss"Hinds made up out of thin air and tried to pass off on people. its the audacity of it. the lunacy of it, its classic.

(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/Voss_story.jpg)
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 15, 2004, 06:12:41 AM
Ya know....I've got alot of free time on my hands for a bit.......This could make a good book......hmmm would take more research. for info......definatly something i'll contemplate
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Post by: Overlag on July 15, 2004, 07:08:42 AM
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
pure fiction


that is it :aok





and anyway, if anyone is stupid enough to send money, over the internet to someone they dont know, they DESERVE TO GET RIPPED OFF OK? :lol


hey guys, im starting a new game, please all send me $100 so i can start developing it for you ;) :aok
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Post by: storch on July 15, 2004, 07:22:13 AM
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Originally posted by Overlag
that is it :aok





and anyway, if anyone is stupid enough to send money, over the internet to someone they dont know, they DESERVE TO GET RIPPED OFF OK? :lol


hey guys, im starting a new game, please all send me $100 so i can start developing it for you ;) :aok


I guess some folks are gullible.  Has anyone ever heard of the concept of caveat emptor?  Any proposed investment in substantial amounts of money or time requires that the investor perform his due dilligence.  Apparently some people were remiss in their obligation to the responsibilities to care of their own capital and a fox raided the henhouse.  The story is as old as time and actually quite dull.

While this paul hinds individual seems to be charlatan the morons are the "investors".
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: eskimo2 on July 15, 2004, 07:26:17 AM
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Originally posted by Overlag
that is it :aok





and anyway, if anyone is stupid enough to send money, over the internet to someone they dont know, they DESERVE TO GET RIPPED OFF OK? :lol


hey guys, im starting a new game, please all send me $100 so i can start developing it for you ;) :aok


With that kind of an attitude toward crime and justice it’s not surprising that you support Voss/MegaTard.  You have the same line of thinking and morality.  You probably don’t have a clue about what’s wrong with what he did; in fact, you sound as if you are inspired.

Overlag = MiniVoss
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Post by: Edbert on July 15, 2004, 07:35:21 AM
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Originally posted by SLO
we suppose to give a watermelon what some BBS nutcases think.....

I'd answer "no" to that exact question. But can't you see this is much more than a few BBS folks? This is the entire online community from AH, AW, WW2OL and WB. This has got folks coming in here who have not posted in years. The fact that the international flight-sim community has finally found where Voss landed after being  tarred feathered and run out of town on a rail has brought them out of the woodwork. He is the lowest form of life we have known. Have you not noticed that there are only 4-5 out of hundreds who are supporting him? and all of the "supporters of Voss" just happen to be a few of the 418th? Where is Busher on this? I know him and have the greatest respect for him. Does he even know that Voss is in his squad?
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Westy on July 15, 2004, 07:57:14 AM
"While this paul hinds individual seems to be charlatan the morons are the "investors".

"


Riiiight.   The victims never are because they are always asking for it. They are the perpetrators of any crime and indignity because the allowe someone to screw them over.

"But your honor, "She had it coming. She wore something other than a nun's habit outside her home! How could my client be held responsible what was clearly a provocative come on by her?"


 "Sorry Ma'am.  It's your fault you gave that man your retirement savings for a new roof on your house. It's not his fault he took off to the casino's with it and blew the wad on the crap tables and cheap hookers.  If you'd not given him your money he'd not have spent it. So be luck we don't slam YOUR 79 yr old pruning bellybutton into the county prison for calling the police needlessly and aiding in the delinquancy of a man who says he goes to church each week and buy lots of Girlscout cookies."
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Trell on July 15, 2004, 08:17:40 AM
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Originally posted by Pongo
Thats the funny part. The most fantastic parts are totally true.

Im not going to look through all 500 posts. But right in this thread, again. Voss says that HTC violated his intelectual property for a game that never even existed.  at all. Nothing.
If you havent seen the posts from Oneman about Ironman you must. It is hard to believe. but the guy would fabricate total different personas(with easily identified exaclty the same writting style) to defend himself. To say he was in the gulf shooting down migs for the CIA.



Over the past were years here I have read the stored a dozen times,  But in every telling I still have not seen a lawsuit files, A police report files, Even a small claims court filling,.  I belive that he lied, I belive that he made up this stories that hooked the whole flight sim community, I belive that he had a large portion of the community following him around like god hoping to be the first to try his so called game,

But I have not see any proof that he made any money off of it, I have not seen any proofe of anyone sending him money, or even proof of the computer sent to him.  all I ever see are posts from friend that knew a friend that new a fried that gave him billions.  Not one direct link


Hell I put Mr black in the same catorgory as voss,  A lier  but really nothin else
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Trell on July 15, 2004, 08:26:30 AM
Btw I have never been in his squad,  But i see no problem flying with him,  Granted I have not flown in a few years.  But as long as he is a good guy in the game, I dont care what he does out of it.  Maybe the squads I flew in were different,  But i did not have to fill out a job app, and have a background check to join.  There were not any squad dues,  and I did not have to sign any sort of code of conduct clause.
As long as you got along with the squad members and could have fun, you were golden.

Now i was not flying when the voss story started, I have only heard it repeated every 6 monthes,  so maybe i am missing somehting, but if i am, please show the direct links to him making any money
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: NoGirlfriend on July 15, 2004, 08:45:10 AM
This is ghey.
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Post by: storch on July 15, 2004, 08:45:49 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Westy
"While this paul hinds individual seems to be charlatan the morons are the "investors".

"


Riiiight.   The victims never are because they are always asking for it. They are the perpetrators of any crime and indignity because the allowe someone to screw them over.

"But your honor, "She had it coming. She wore something other than a nun's habit outside her home! How could my client be held responsible what was clearly a provocative come on by her?"


 "Sorry Ma'am.  It's your fault you gave that man your retirement savings for a new roof on your house. It's not his fault he took off to the casino's with it and blew the wad on the crap tables and cheap hookers.  If you'd not given him your money he'd not have spent it. So be luck we don't slam YOUR 79 yr old pruning bellybutton into the county prison for calling the police needlessly and aiding in the delinquancy of a man who says he goes to church each week and buy lots of Girlscout cookies."


Maybe English isn't your first language.  before replying read what has been written then comprehend it's meaning.  sorry that grade school didn't work out for you, perhaps there are remedial courses you may take.
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Post by: ghostdancer on July 15, 2004, 08:51:20 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Overlag
that is it :aok




and anyway, if anyone is stupid enough to send money, over the internet to someone they dont know, they DESERVE TO GET RIPPED OFF OK? :lol


hey guys, im starting a new game, please all send me $100 so i can start developing it for you ;) :aok


First off Voss was not a person who just came into the community and 2 days later started asking for money. He spent considerable time participating in the flight sim community and building up relationships in it and credibility. He then went on to create false credentials (F16 pilot, ownership of P51, etc.) of his capability and experience to further  bolster credibility in the eyes that he had interacted with online. Then over an extended period of time to continue to foster the illusion of work being done by putting out screen shots of a project that he was supposedly having programmed when no such programming being done.

The fault of the people here is that they did not ask more detailed questions earlier than when Robey did. They had known him online for some time playing online, wanted to believe that a better sim could be built, and Voss used these online relationships he built (the trust and camaraderie he had built up flying and participating online) couple with false credentials (exposed later) to take advantage of people.

So yes, they did not know him personally face to face but they did know him. The problem is, even in real life, you can’t know anybody 100% exactly. Plenty of people know the person that scam them and have met them face to face and have even done research on the proposed project, company, etc. (ever here of Enron, Adelphia, WorldComm, etc.)

But I can’t understand your logic that they deserved to get ripped off and that Voss is free of culpability.

By your logic if  I go to London, take the tube, have my wallet in my back hip pocket and then get pick pocketed I was stupid so I deserve it and the pick pocket is blameless and its fine to take advantage of somebody else if they are being, in your view stupid.

Or I forget to lock my house when I go to work and I come home and have been robbed. Well I was stupid and deserved to be robbed because I forgot to lock up .. so the thieves are somehow blameless in the matter.

In the U.S. that is not how it is supposed to work .. our laws and belief in justice is not built on the principal of caveat emptor (buyer beware). Yes, the buyer still has to be beware but we don’t wash our hands of it if they are taken, saying too bad you should have known better or its your own fault so you deserved it.

Which is why Enron and Adelphia and Worldcomm are being prosecuted. Otherwise by your logic .. hey, employees who sunk tons of money into 401Ks and stocks in the company and then lossed it all .. its your fault because you did not do due enoug diligence and discovered that management was running a scam. It doesn’t matter that they presented false credentials, lied, doctored documents, and misled to give a false impression of credibility and trust worthiness so that you would invest in them. You were stupid in investing in people you did not personally know and so deserve to be ripped off.

Nice logic there.

And as for the examples yes a difference of scale in the case of Enron. The sad thing about the American justice system is that money matters. When you are on Enron scale the prosecutors, lawyers and government will go all out. But at small claims court  unfortunately many times it’s the case that to fully pursue your case you end up spending more money to get legal satisfaction and remedy than you initially lossed.

From what I understand Michael Hobuss resolved the matter when he got the equipment back eventually from Voss that he bought . So basically he was conned into purchasing a server and equipment for a bogus project. He got the equipment back but like a car he paid full value for the equipment and put a strain on his finances to fund and support a bogus project. Even with the equipment back he basically had to eat the outlay of funds for even if he sold the equipment he could not sale it for what he bought it for. Could Michael Hobuss pursue the matter and had Voss possibly jailed for fraud. Yes, but it seems he considered how much more it would cost to do so and the time involved and decided it wasn’t worth the additional lost time and money to do so and basically said give me my equipment back and that is it. It’s a common thing that happens in our legal system that people let petty crooks go after recovering something instead of spending 2 to 3 times as much trying to prosecute them. In my opinion it’s a failing in the American legal system.

But hey, Michael Hobuss deserve it. The people Voss was trying to scam and making sign NDA's deserved it. The people who sent in donations to a fictitious restoration project of a world war II plane deserved it. They didn't need that petty change anyways. If they did I am sure they would go cross country to the appropriate state small claims court and spend whatever money and time necessary to and pursue the matter to gain back their $10, $20, or whatever amount.

They all deserved to be ripped off because they were stupid and lazy and it doesn't really matter since Voss didn't really make anything substantial off of it.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: eskimo2 on July 15, 2004, 08:52:58 AM
Quote
Originally posted by NoGirlfriend
This is ghey.


Based on your name I gues we should consider you the expert on what is ghey.

Nice try Voss

eskimo
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: mosgood on July 15, 2004, 08:54:52 AM
eskimo

how far is Tallmidge from Canton?
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: eskimo2 on July 15, 2004, 09:01:02 AM
Quote
Originally posted by ghostdancer
First off Voss was not a person who just came into the community and 2 days later started asking for money. He spent considerable time participating in the flight sim community and building up relationships in it and credibility. He then went on to create false credentials (F16 pilot, ownership of P51, etc.) of his capability and experience to further  bolster credibility in the eyes that he had interacted with online. Then over an extended period of time to continue to foster the illusion of work being done by putting out screen shots of a project that he was supposedly having programmed when no such programming being done.

The fault of the people here is that they did not ask more detailed questions earlier than when Robey did. They had known him online for some time playing online, wanted to believe that a better sim could be built, and Voss used these online relationships he built (the trust and camaraderie he had built up flying and participating online) couple with false credentials (exposed later) to take advantage of people.

So yes, they did not know him personally face to face but they did know him. The problem is, even in real life, you can’t know anybody 100% exactly. Plenty of people know the person that scam them and have met them face to face and have even done research on the proposed project, company, etc. (ever here of Enron, Adelphia, WorldComm, etc.)

But I can’t understand your logic that they deserved to get ripped off and that Voss is free of culpability.

By your logic if  I go to London, take the tube, have my wallet in my back hip pocket and then get pick pocketed I was stupid so I deserve it and the pick pocket is blameless and its fine to take advantage of somebody else if they are being, in your view stupid.

Or I forget to lock my house when I go to work and I come home and have been robbed. Well I was stupid and deserved to be robbed because I forgot to lock up .. so the thieves are somehow blameless in the matter.

In the U.S. that is not how it is supposed to work .. our laws and belief in justice is not built on the principal of caveat emptor (buyer beware). Yes, the buyer still has to be beware but we don’t wash our hands of it if they are taken, saying too bad you should have known better or its your own fault so you deserved it.

Which is why Enron and Adelphia and Worldcomm are being prosecuted. Otherwise by your logic .. hey, employees who sunk tons of money into 401Ks and stocks in the company and then lossed it all .. its your fault because you did not do due enoug diligence and discovered that management was running a scam. It doesn’t matter that they presented false credentials, lied, doctored documents, and misled to give a false impression of credibility and trust worthiness so that you would invest in them. You were stupid in investing in people you did not personally know and so deserve to be ripped off.

Nice logic there.

And as for the examples yes a difference of scale in the case of Enron. The sad thing about the American justice system is that money matters. When you are on Enron scale the prosecutors, lawyers and government will go all out. But at small claims court  unfortunately many times it’s the case that to fully pursue your case you end up spending more money to get legal satisfaction and remedy than you initially lossed.

From what I understand Michael Hobuss resolved the matter when he got the equipment back eventually from Voss that he bought . So basically he was conned into purchasing a server and equipment for a bogus project. He got the equipment back but like a car he paid full value for the equipment and put a strain on his finances to fund and support a bogus project. Even with the equipment back he basically had to eat the outlay of funds for even if he sold the equipment he could not sale it for what he bought it for. Could Michael Hobuss pursue the matter and had Voss possibly jailed for fraud. Yes, but it seems he considered how much more it would cost to do so and the time involved and decided it wasn’t worth the additional lost time and money to do so and basically said give me my equipment back and that is it. It’s a common thing that happens in our legal system that people let petty crooks go after recovering something instead of spending 2 to 3 times as much trying to prosecute them. In my opinion it’s a failing in the American legal system.

But hey, Michael Hobuss deserve it. The people Voss was trying to scam and making sign NDA's deserved it. The people who sent in donations to a fictitious restoration project of a world war II plane deserved it. They didn't need that petty change anyways. If they did I am sure they would go cross country to the appropriate state small claims court and spend whatever money and time necessary to and pursue the matter to gain back their $10, $20, or whatever amount.

They all deserved to be ripped off because they were stupid and lazy and it doesn't really matter since Voss didn't really make anything substantial off of it.


Seriously ghostdancer,

Overlag’s thinking is how criminal minds justify their behavior.  Don’t try to understand it; it won’t make sense to you.

eskimo
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Post by: lazs2 on July 15, 2004, 09:01:25 AM
I suppose it will be difficult to not think "potatonets" whenever the word "hornets" is brought up... they probly need a new avatar... put the one they have in a miniskirt and a lot of makeup maybe...

lazs
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 15, 2004, 09:03:37 AM
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Originally posted by mosgood
eskimo

how far is Tallmidge from Canton?


I am east of Akron, South of Kent, Stow & Hudson.  We are less than 30 minutes from each other.

eskimo
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 15, 2004, 09:04:28 AM
Quote
Originally posted by eskimo2
Based on your name I gues we should consider you the expert on what is ghey.

Nice try Voss

eskimo


OMG the head shrinkers are gonna have to come up with a new name for this internet multible peronality shcizophrinic syndrome!

I would put forth the name of "The Mr. Black syndrome":cool:
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 15, 2004, 09:05:18 AM
Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
I suppose it will be difficult to not think "potatonets" whenever the word "hornets" is brought up... they probly need a new avatar... put the one they have in a miniskirt and a lot of makeup maybe...

lazs


Oh man, that's good!

Arlo, you need to run with this idea.  Show us what you come up with.

eskimo
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Post by: SirLoin on July 15, 2004, 09:10:14 AM
Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
I suppose it will be difficult to not think "potatonets" whenever the word "hornets" is brought up... they probly need a new avatar... put the one they have in a miniskirt and a lot of makeup maybe...

lazs


Hay Lazs...Why don't you post a pix of that Nazi SS dagger tattoo you had removed(or did you tattoo over it with something worse?)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Westy on July 15, 2004, 09:11:05 AM
Storch you're stump. Plain and simple.

 If I reposted all of it in ebonics or "hillbilly retard" would that be the "English" you're looking for?
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Post by: JAGED on July 15, 2004, 09:20:00 AM
REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP

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HOWEVER, BY VIRTUE OF OUR POSITION AS CIVIL SERVANTS AND MEMBERS OF THIS PANEL, WE CANNOT ACQUIRE THIS MONEY IN OUR NAMES. I HAVE THEREFORE, BEEN DELEGATED AS A MATTER OF TRUST BY MY COLLEAGUES OF THE PANEL TO LOOK FOR AN OVERSEAS PARTNER INTO WHOSE ACCOUNT WE WOULD TRANSFER THE SUM OF US$21,320,000.00(TWENTY ONE MILLION, THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THOUSAND U.S DOLLARS). HENCE WE ARE WRITING YOU THIS LETTER. WE HAVE AGREED TO SHARE THE MONEY THUS; 1. 20% FOR THE ACCOUNT OWNER 2. 70% FOR US (THE OFFICIALS) 3. 10% TO BE USED IN SETTLING TAXATION AND ALL LOCAL AND FOREIGN EXPENSES. IT IS FROM THE 70% THAT WE WISH TO COMMENCE THE IMPORTATION BUSINESS.

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YOURS FAITHFULLY,

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NOTE; PLEASE QUOTE THIS REFERENCE NUMBER (VE/S/09/99) IN ALL YOUR RESPONSES.

:D :D :D
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Post by: ghostdancer on July 15, 2004, 09:20:13 AM
Quote
Originally posted by eskimo2
Seriously ghostdancer,

Overlag’s thinking is how criminal minds justify their behavior.  Don’t try to understand it; it won’t make sense to you.

eskimo


Oh, I misunderstood then .. I thought Overlag was speaking for himself saying that he (Overlag) thought it was okay because they were stupid and thus deserved to be scammed.

If he was actually talking about how Voss justified doing what he did in his own mind (Voss's Mind), I take back any sarcasm or scorn in my writing toward Overlag.

I actually agree that Voss probably thought what he was doing was justified (twisted it around and is still doing so) in his mind so that he is blameless and that the other people are the one's who deserved it or actually are the one's who caused it.

Very typical thing in human nature is that nobody percieves themselves to be a bad person or to be doing immoral actions. And that they find a point of view or perspective that justifies their actions to themselves.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Red Tail 444 on July 15, 2004, 09:38:05 AM
This is actually a lot more than just taking some money from some unknowing victim. Crimes of Persuasion are probably the most sinister of all scams, because the investors arent just off the street types, most of them are friends and close associates, believing they are helping someone they know well, to get their business rolling.

This is actually a good leson next time someone wants you to invest in their busines.

Internet fraud  / investment fraud is a real crime, and if anyone who has been burned in this particular scheme has a legitmate course of legal /law enforcement action to take if they want to get their money back.

http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/cyberfraud.htm

In any event, perhaps reporting this so there's an official record of it may prevent him from taking advantage of other people in the future.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: storch on July 15, 2004, 09:43:14 AM
Quote
Originally posted by ghostdancer
First off Voss was not a person who just came into the community and 2 days later started asking for money. He spent considerable time participating in the flight sim community and building up relationships in it and credibility. He then went on to create false credentials (F16 pilot, ownership of P51, etc.) of his capability and experience to further  bolster credibility in the eyes that he had interacted with online. Then over an extended period of time to continue to foster the illusion of work being done by putting out screen shots of a project that he was supposedly having programmed when no such programming being done.

The fault of the people here is that they did not ask more detailed questions earlier than when Robey did. They had known him online for some time playing online, wanted to believe that a better sim could be built, and Voss used these online relationships he built (the trust and camaraderie he had built up flying and participating online) couple with false credentials (exposed later) to take advantage of people.

So yes, they did not know him personally face to face but they did know him. The problem is, even in real life, you can’t know anybody 100% exactly. Plenty of people know the person that scam them and have met them face to face and have even done research on the proposed project, company, etc. (ever here of Enron, Adelphia, WorldComm, etc.)

But I can’t understand your logic that they deserved to get ripped off and that Voss is free of culpability.

By your logic if  I go to London, take the tube, have my wallet in my back hip pocket and then get pick pocketed I was stupid so I deserve it and the pick pocket is blameless and its fine to take advantage of somebody else if they are being, in your view stupid.

Or I forget to lock my house when I go to work and I come home and have been robbed. Well I was stupid and deserved to be robbed because I forgot to lock up .. so the thieves are somehow blameless in the matter.

In the U.S. that is not how it is supposed to work .. our laws and belief in justice is not built on the principal of caveat emptor (buyer beware). Yes, the buyer still has to be beware but we don’t wash our hands of it if they are taken, saying too bad you should have known better or its your own fault so you deserved it.

Which is why Enron and Adelphia and Worldcomm are being prosecuted. Otherwise by your logic .. hey, employees who sunk tons of money into 401Ks and stocks in the company and then lossed it all .. its your fault because you did not do due enoug diligence and discovered that management was running a scam. It doesn’t matter that they presented false credentials, lied, doctored documents, and misled to give a false impression of credibility and trust worthiness so that you would invest in them. You were stupid in investing in people you did not personally know and so deserve to be ripped off.

Nice logic there.

And as for the examples yes a difference of scale in the case of Enron. The sad thing about the American justice system is that money matters. When you are on Enron scale the prosecutors, lawyers and government will go all out. But at small claims court  unfortunately many times it’s the case that to fully pursue your case you end up spending more money to get legal satisfaction and remedy than you initially lossed.

From what I understand Michael Hobuss resolved the matter when he got the equipment back eventually from Voss that he bought . So basically he was conned into purchasing a server and equipment for a bogus project. He got the equipment back but like a car he paid full value for the equipment and put a strain on his finances to fund and support a bogus project. Even with the equipment back he basically had to eat the outlay of funds for even if he sold the equipment he could not sale it for what he bought it for. Could Michael Hobuss pursue the matter and had Voss possibly jailed for fraud. Yes, but it seems he considered how much more it would cost to do so and the time involved and decided it wasn’t worth the additional lost time and money to do so and basically said give me my equipment back and that is it. It’s a common thing that happens in our legal system that people let petty crooks go after recovering something instead of spending 2 to 3 times as much trying to prosecute them. In my opinion it’s a failing in the American legal system.

But hey, Michael Hobuss deserve it. The people Voss was trying to scam and making sign NDA's deserved it. The people who sent in donations to a fictitious restoration project of a world war II plane deserved it. They didn't need that petty change anyways. If they did I am sure they would go cross country to the appropriate state small claims court and spend whatever money and time necessary to and pursue the matter to gain back their $10, $20, or whatever amount.

They all deserved to be ripped off because they were stupid and lazy and it doesn't really matter since Voss didn't really make anything substantial off of it.


In no way is this paul hinds person to be thought of as blameless.  irrespective of what he did with the investment money.  Forgive me, I haven't read the entire thread nor will I.  If he was contracted (was there a written contract?) to perform and provide specific services for a specific sum of money the victims have a case.  If it was verbally agreed to it would depend on the State (States?) in which this brouhaha occurred.  In Florida vebal contracts are enforcable.

Now to the practical matter.  This is really a cautionary tale.  It seems most of you are very naive and have very little experience in the rough and tumble world of business.  This goes on all the time.  It has happened to me.  Sadly it gets to the point that if my mom tells me it's daytime I look to verify.  Pretty simply concept, as one of my old time Heros said "trust but verify"  And even then at times you can be swindled.  There are sophisticated swindlers out there watch out.

There would be no point in prosecuting to attempt to recover the loss.  It's been my experience that bottom dwellers like paul hinds have no assests.  You may engage an attorney and you will likely win a judgement against him but it will only be a moral victory for you and a note payment or two for the real criminals in our society :D  the attorneys involved.
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 15, 2004, 09:52:13 AM
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Originally posted by Overlag
that is it :aok





and anyway, if anyone is stupid enough to send money, over the internet to someone they dont know, they DESERVE TO GET RIPPED OFF OK? :lol


hey guys, im starting a new game, please all send me $100 so i can start developing it for you ;) :aok


Just curious. You ever bought anything over the internet?
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Post by: Trell on July 15, 2004, 09:58:21 AM
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Just curious. You ever bought anything over the internet?


Do you buy from any web site that you happen to find?  or do you look into there past customer history?  do you do any type of reserch into the company?
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Post by: Red Tail 444 on July 15, 2004, 10:01:33 AM
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Originally posted by storch
There would be no point in prosecuting to attempt to recover the loss.  It's been my experience that bottom dwellers like paul hinds have no assests.  You may engage an attorney and you will likely win a judgement against him but it will only be a moral victory for you and a note payment or two for the real criminals in our society :D  the attorneys involved.


So next time some crackhead breaks into your home and turns your jewely into his smoke-up, no need in prosecuting him because he's broke anyway....:rolleyes:

As for moral victory seekers,  AH is entirely about moral victories  Why do you think we're paying 15 a month?
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Post by: Airhead on July 15, 2004, 10:02:10 AM
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
LOL the thing about any of airheads post recently, is you just can not take them seriously.

He used to be funny, and now I can not tell if he is trying to be funny or if he is really pissed off.


 Not pissed and not trying to be funny, GTO. Trying to be serious for a bit (life has been serious lately instead of fun, it's a cyclical thingie) and seriously- almost 600 posts condemning the 418th cause Voss is a member?

If he ripped you off, sue him. If you have knowledge he's conspiring to commit a crime, call the police. And if your respect for somebody has diminished because they're members of the 418th then get therapy, you need it.

Now have a nice day. Seriously.
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 15, 2004, 10:03:20 AM
This thread is fast running out of steam.

Karaya
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 15, 2004, 10:07:17 AM
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
This thread is fast running out of steam.

Karaya


bah its early the main charaters will show up again soon....patience sir patience
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Post by: Yeager on July 15, 2004, 10:12:24 AM
so what started all this anyway?  voss killed fester?
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 15, 2004, 10:13:56 AM
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Originally posted by Trell
Do you buy from any web site that you happen to find?  or do you look into there past customer history?  do you do any type of reserch into the company?


   OK, let`s use the VOSS scam for a start.
  If you have actualy read or know anything about this particular incident, then you must know that this wasn`t a half assed scam.
  There were a couple of gaming sites with very, very good reps doing interviews and promoting/advertising, etc this "supposedly in development" game.
  On top of that there were a couple of well respected and very well known people`s names and comments linked to this fiasco. Frank Williamson for one. I think that would have been enough for most folks who were allready involved in the flight sim world.
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 15, 2004, 10:19:18 AM
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
bah its early the main charaters will show up again soon....patience sir patience


Without a doubt, this is some of the funniest sht I have ever read in all of my 31 years of living.  Yesterday, I almost spit put coffee.

Karaya
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Post by: Pongo on July 15, 2004, 10:26:24 AM
Well. Im just about done..
anyone else got anything?
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Post by: Citabria on July 15, 2004, 10:30:07 AM
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Originally posted by Yeager
so what started all this anyway?  voss killed fester?


the direct and only cause of this thread is this F16 Voss conspiracy picture I made after reading this quote on the "bring back big maps thread"
the pic was posted in the big maps thread but lost in the mess. I simply started a new thread with the pic and the quote because I thought I made a very cool book cover and the quote was fascinating. and I titled the thread as a book to be released, and the thread seems to have turned into a book with 600 posts lol.


but the original catalyst for me making the book cover picture is...

it is a more refined version of my origional VOSS VAPORWARE FLIGHT SIM DEVELOPMENT COMPANY OFFICIAL SEAL picture i made after voss posted a really retarded whine... some peopel said I should include a scorpion and f16s in the seal so I was going to make a new one and made the book cover instead.
(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/whiner.jpg)


my desktop PC is fried and i am typing on my laptop and looking for entertainment on the BBS. my laptop sucks for playing 3d games and flight sims.

I find it amazing that with one book cover picture made in photoshop and a quote of the real VOSS story from those who were there... the result is the most fascinating informative scandal exposure thread I have seen.


(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/Voss_story.jpg)
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This is from a close associate who was part of the Voss scam called 'TAS' .. and aye, Maverick .. he probably took the name of the squadron, but the scam was not done by the squad ...it was perpetrated by Voss.

> How much money did he get from who?

Before I answer your question, I'll put my cards face up on the table, just so you know where I'm coming from.
Back when Paul "Voss" Hinds began his Scam I had already been playing AW for several years. Voss was a member of an Air Warrior Squadron called the 13th TAS, a Squad that has since had links with other online flight sim's and is also currently running in Aces High.
I only mention that because TAS was the name of the new online game at the centre of the scam, and it is important to point out that they were in no way connected with it, as far as I know the other members of the Squad are all honourable men.

Also, I've never written any of this down before, so by way of disclaimer, I will say that I'm working entirely from memory, but this is in any case how I remember those events as they occurred.

I was one of the beta testers for TAS and although I was one of the lucky ones, the scam cost me money, and wasted a great deal of my time. Also, let's not forget that at the time this was the biggest, longest and most outrageous scam ever to hit the flight sim' community! Now you know where I'm coming from, I'll answer your question.

The person who lost the most was the main investor, Michael "Amok" Hobuss, who I believe was one of Voss's AW Squad mates. From my perspective as one of the beta testers, the deal appeared to be that Voss did all the programming and design while Amok covered the expenses and development
costs, including having a new powerful development machine delivered to Voss, setting up and maintaining the beta team, bulletin board, and all advertising and promotional costs.

Now before we go any farther, let's just look at that set-up. Voss had built credibility by claiming to have two doctorates, and vast relevant experience, he was not just exaggerating, he was deliberately giving false information to a squad mate, in order to
encourage him into parting with money and equipment for services he knew that he could not deliver.

He was never in the CIA, was never an F-16 pilot and he did not shoot down two enemy aircraft has he claimed, he did not own
a P-51, and has probably never even flown one, and he did not have two PhDs.
He fabricated that entire web of lies with the obvious motivation of securing investment for his own personal gain.

This scam lasted a long time, and was fed with screen shots that looked magnificent, but which were in fact only artwork, and the delays were blamed on all manner of incredible circumstances, a scorpion bite, brain tumour, even some mention of special missions with the CIA.

During that time a large number of people were involved on the beta site, and I was one of them. I've heard that some of the beta testers were also asked for front money, but I can't recall being asked, but I do remember that I didn't send money. So I can't confirm that.

The scam dragged on so long that someone eventually checked into his background, and his military service was the first thing to come under scrutiny.
When it transpired that he had not been an F-16 pilot in the
USAF, he invented the CIA story to explain why his name didn't appear in military records, but the wall was beginning to crumble.

As more of his lies were exposed, Michael Hobuss became suspicious, but no doubt found it very hard to believe that a squad mate would lie and steal from him, so at that point he was actually covering for him.

Then things began to move quickly, because his stories were stretching credibility to the limit. I know how long you need to remain in education to get a PhD, not to mention two! Computer skills that exceeded those of the best programmers of the day, USAF training, a flying career, converting to F-16s, recruitment by the CIA, a privately owned P-51, and this man appeared to have achieved more than most could manage in two life times.

Everyone was suspicious and people were asking awkward questions. Michael Hobuss was also getting nervous and began asking awkward questions too, and that's when Voss disappeared. The Scorpion bite! It was reported that Folk
even visited Voss in hospital, so perhaps that part was true, but it just went down hill from there.

Time dragged on, and after more revelations, and no further evidence that the game even existed, Voss was supposed to have a brain tumour resulting in the end of the game's development, but then Michael Hobuss blew the whistle!
He admitted he had been conned, and lost his hardware, the
expenses and development costs, and that there never was any game. Any beta testers who had fronted money to the project had lost it. I had spent a lot of time logging onto the beta test site and incurred telephone costs and wasted many hours of my own time, but I was one of the lucky ones!

How much did Michael Hobuss eventually lose, I can't say, but I'd guess the figure must have been at least several thousand, and to be fair I heard that he was able to recover some of it. I'm not even sure how much I lost, I certainly wasn't bothered about it because it would have only been a fraction of what I was spending on AW at that time

This was a classic con! He fooled an investor, into parting with money and goods, by pretending to be something he wasn't.
The scam involved a large number of people, and left the community shaken, not because they had been taken in by a conman, but because they had been taken by one of their own,
some one many believed to be a squad mate and a friend.
For many it wasn't so much the money as the betrayal, that hurt that most.

Now I guess that all this could be forgotten if Voss had gone away, but he is still here, and he is attempting to rebuild his stock in the community.
Only recently he put out a call to the Aces High community to become involved in another project, that appeared to have all the hallmarks of another scam.
I was amazed when I saw it, and I thought to myself, "Here we
go again". Make no mistake, given the opportunity I believe he would do it again, it even looks very much as though he has actually tried already.
But fortunately, nobody took the bait. They never took the bait thanks to the efforts of those who remember, nobody has been allowed to forget.
The community has successfully protected itself by not allowing others to be taken in. That in my humble opinion is the morally correct, right and proper, thing to do.

When I see folk rehash the Voss stuff (as you call it) I'm always pleased to see it, because everytime it comes out I think that perhaps another few individuals have been made wise to him.
It also saddens me to see others defend him, because they are only helping him build a platform from which to strike again.

I haven't been able to give you exact figures, but does that answer your question?

Badz

-brought to you by Frank P. 'Gray Eagle' Williamson
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Post by: Naso on July 15, 2004, 10:31:31 AM
589 !!!
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Post by: Naso on July 15, 2004, 10:32:34 AM
590 !

:D
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 15, 2004, 10:34:22 AM
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Originally posted by Naso
590 !

:D


Postpotato! :D

Karaya
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Post by: storch on July 15, 2004, 10:35:22 AM
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
So next time some crackhead breaks into your home and turns your jewely into his smoke-up, no need in prosecuting him because he's broke anyway....:rolleyes:

As for moral victory seekers,  AH is entirely about moral victories  Why do you think we're paying 15 a month?


Your example would be breaking and entering.  This is a criminal offense.  Inspite of that precious little already thinly stretched police resources would be invested in a property crime in a city the size of Miami.  simply there are bigger fish to fry.  Most property type criminals that are caught are habituals and in the plea bargain they fess up to priors.  

My example is one of a civil nature and they rarely produce prison sentences and if they do they are very light.  Remember who you liberals like to place on the benches throughout the nation.

But of course you would never agree to any above statements.  It is amusing to see your ghetto logic though.
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Post by: Trell on July 15, 2004, 10:40:35 AM
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Originally posted by Jackal1
OK, let`s use the VOSS scam for a start.
  If you have actualy read or know anything about this particular incident, then you must know that this wasn`t a half assed scam.
  There were a couple of gaming sites with very, very good reps doing interviews and promoting/advertising, etc this "supposedly in development" game.
  On top of that there were a couple of well respected and very well known people`s names and comments linked to this fiasco. Frank Williamson for one. I think that would have been enough for most folks who were allready involved in the flight sim world.


I disagree  Just becasue a couple of websites did reviews on his so called compony did not do a complete job on his or his company's history, does not remove responibility from you to do your own research before making an invesment, ( sending money for a game) ( I still have not seen any real prof that he made any money)
It still falls on your hands to make sure you know who you are dealing with. weather you sent money to a friend, family or a so called expert in the field.
 

If the money truly was sent I would hope that you would look into the product. company or man that was doing it.
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Post by: storch on July 15, 2004, 10:49:59 AM
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Originally posted by Trell
I disagree  Just becasue a couple of websites did reviews on his so called compony did not do a complete job on his or his company's history, does not remove responibility from you to do your own research before making an invesment, ( sending money for a game) ( I still have not seen any real prof that he made any money)
It still falls on your hands to make sure you know who you are dealing with. weather you sent money to a friend, family or a so called expert in the field.
 

If the money truly was sent I would hope that you would look into the product. company or man that was doing it.


Pretty close to correct in my view.  It's called due dilligence.
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Post by: Trell on July 15, 2004, 10:51:10 AM
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Originally posted by storch
Your example would be breaking and entering.  This is a criminal offense.  Inspite of that precious little already thinly stretched police resources would be invested in a property crime in a city the size of Miami.  simply there are bigger fish to fry.  Most property type criminals that are caught are habituals and in the plea bargain they fess up to priors.  

My example is one of a civil nature and they rarely produce prison sentences and if they do they are very light.  Remember who you liberals like to place on the benches throughout the nation.

But of course you would never agree to any above statements.  It is amusing to see your ghetto logic though.


Who cares about a prision sentance for a case like voss, If i was dumb enough to lose alot of money to him, I would take it to court or report it to the polce just for it to be put onto his record,  If it is not important enough to even file any sort of paper work,  then i consiter
that either he did nothin criminaly wrong, or as about as important as a child stealing a pack of gum
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 15, 2004, 10:53:05 AM
This thread should be put in book form itself . No need to write a book about it. With a few inserts here and there with the relevant issues and it would be a killer. :D
  There are a couple of things that have really been knee slappers for me through this and previous VOSS burnings.
  In this instance, how many times has it been asked either " What happened to the permanent ban of VOSS?' or "Why doesn`t HT ban him permantly?"?
  Geez, get real. Think a minute. How in the hell are you going to permantly ban someone who is determined to get back in the game?
  This is nearly as funny a couple of discussions in game previously and posts on the BBS dealing with the "I am not VOSS issue. I was amazed that so many people bought  the" I`m not VOSS" line based on a comment or comments that a few had heard him on vox and it wasn`t him. I could just nearly visualize him writing down names of these people on a "possible easy targets" list. :D
  Here`s a couple of things to throw around in the ole gear box.
 Do you really beleive that  he is currently using only one account and one ID in AH as of now?
  Do you think he is only currently involved with one squad in the game now?
  Do you believe this is the only area of multiplayer games, (flight sim), that this scam has been ran?
  If you come up with a yes answer for any of the above, please try to limit the usage of the thought process as you could be in danger of an overload explosion.  :lol
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Post by: BUG_EAF322 on July 15, 2004, 10:54:11 AM
what's the limit on replys with a thread??

anyway the imagination of this paul hind is excellent

he should be the next president of the USA
hes better than bush no doubt
:aok
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Post by: CyranoAH on July 15, 2004, 10:57:18 AM
Well it's not 598 :D
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Post by: CyranoAH on July 15, 2004, 10:58:14 AM
nor 599
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Post by: lazs2 on July 15, 2004, 10:58:26 AM
sirloin... I did not have it removed or covered up with something worse.   I do not espouse SS ideals tho and have  admitted that I was a biggot.   I have also said that it was not a logical way to think and have since realized that and find biggotry an illogical way to think much less act..

Now.... voss, on the other hand...  accepts no wrongdoing on his part and will not even admit to being a pathalogical liar.

the "potatonets" seem quite comfortable in having him around so long as he destroys cartoon objects so that they can earn the "respect" they deserve for being no.1 cartoon killers in a game where most people aren't even don't care and don't participate in that aspect.  

Even taking into acoount that rip can't help himself and that the rest of you are foreigners easily taken in by any American devil....

It is out in the open now so... the ball is in your court.

potatonets.... plain and simple.

lazs
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Post by: CyranoAH on July 15, 2004, 10:58:46 AM
nor 600 for that matter! :D
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 15, 2004, 10:59:05 AM
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Originally posted by Trell
Who cares about a prision sentance for a case like voss, If i was dumb enough to lose alot of money to him, I would take it to court or report it to the polce just for it to be put onto his record,  If it is not important enough to even file any sort of paper work,  then i consiter
that either he did nothin criminaly wrong, or as about as important as a child stealing a pack of gum


#1 reporting it to the police would accomplish nothing. It`s not their department, it`s white collar crime.
#2 As has been stated before, usualy there is no assets to recoup from someone like this. A judgement is all you would get. It would be useless.
 #3 The cost involved in attorney fees, etc would be quite a large sum. In other words the victims would lose again with no positive results.
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Post by: Red Tail 444 on July 15, 2004, 10:59:15 AM
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Originally posted by Trell
Who cares about a prision sentance for a case like voss, If i was dumb enough to lose alot of money to him, I would take it to court or report it to the polce just for it to be put onto his record...


The link has resources and directions regarding where to file a complaint against individuals for unfair business practices...but hey, it's only money, right?

I wasn't one of the ones who got conned,  but I'd be filing something, somewhere, to keep someone else from getting fleeced if I were.
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Post by: Trell on July 15, 2004, 11:02:08 AM
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Originally posted by Jackal1
#1 reporting it to the police would accomplish nothing. It`s not their department, it`s white collar crime.
#2 As has been stated before, usualy there is no assets to recoup from someone like this. A judgement is all you would get. It would be useless.
 #3 The cost involved in attorney fees, etc would be quite a large sum. In other words the victims would lose again with no positive results.


Then this shows that it was not important enough for you to do anything, or you did not have any evadence to prove your claim.  

that means that these claims every one has made against voss has as much credit as me walking up to some total stranger in the streat and screem "you stole my money"
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 15, 2004, 11:14:45 AM
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Originally posted by Trell
Then this shows that it was not important enough for you to do anything, or you did not have any evadence to prove your claim.  

that means that these claims every one has made against voss has as much credit as me walking up to some total stranger in the streat and screem "you stole my money"


  No, what it shows is common logic. It would only be "you" that lost again. It will not add up anyway you look at it.

 Have you ever been stung like this?
Have you ever got stuck with a lemon from GM , Ford, etc and weighed the costs of attorney fees to recoup against the loss you allready have invested and decided to take the loss?
  Have you ever gotten a bill from a utility company that`s was incorrect and was not your charges and in the end paid the bill because it was less hassle and less expensive than persuing the options?
  Have you ever booked a flight with a prominent airlines only to arrive at the terminal and find you are not listed on the passenger list?
  If none of these has ever happened to you , then you must be very, very young. Either that or I want to know how you are getting the internet service from deep within the amazon jungle.
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Post by: leitwolf on July 15, 2004, 11:31:41 AM
if we were able to include the GoonMAW incident in this thread we would have a very well balanced community primer here. :)

...and...
IN  :D
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Post by: lazs2 on July 15, 2004, 11:36:57 AM
the potatonets would take gunman 26, or as he latter called himself, gunman 42 (thats gunman 26 times two for you math challenged) if they thought it would get em a few more points in the rank.

lazs
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 15, 2004, 11:39:54 AM
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Why doesn`t HT ban him permantly?"?


hmm the old saying "keep your freinds close and your enemy's closer" comes to mind

so does "knowledge is power"

ect ect ect
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Post by: Red Tail 444 on July 15, 2004, 11:40:04 AM
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Originally posted by lazs2
the potatonets would take gunman 26, or as he latter called himself, gunman 42 (thats gunman 26 times two for you math challenged) if they thought it would get em a few more points in the rank.

lazs



Good one lazs.  For future reference, 26 X 2 = 52
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Post by: flyingaround on July 15, 2004, 11:42:46 AM
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Originally posted by SLO
we suppose to give a watermelon what some BBS nutcases think.....
sorry we can't go so damn low....know what I mean:)


  If the Hornets care not about "honor" or "respect" then of course you won't care.  The case against metavoss is crystal clear.  Any squad with the slightest whiff of integrity would have booted metavoss out immediatly upon discovering his past.  The Hornets can of course fly with who they choose, BUT it does speak volumes about your squads character.

Of all the properties which belong to honorable men, not one is so highly prized as that of character.
--Henry Clay


No man who is corrupt, no man who condones corruption in others, can possibly do his duty by the community
--Theodore Roosevelt


Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud.
--Sophocles


All honor's wounds are self-inflicted.  
--Andrew Carnegie


Laws control the lesser man. Right conduct controls the greater one.
--Chinese Proverb


He that is good, will infallibly become better, and he that is bad, will as certainly become worse; for vice, virtue and time are three things that never stand still.  
--Charles Caleb Colton


The reality is, if we tell the truth, we only have to tell the truth once. If you lie, you have to keep lying forever.
--Rabbi Wayne Dosick


Man's character is his fate.
--Heraclitus


Integrity is the core of our character.
--L. Lionel Kendrick
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Post by: Drifter1234 on July 15, 2004, 11:46:23 AM
Hey Fester,

On your next map make a secret Island for Voss and all the mini-vosses.  They can be like the legion of doom.  Sorta a place for all the rogue elements and their sympathizers.  They can come up with superhero names like metatron or something.  Can be them against the rest of the map.


Just a thought
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Post by: Staga on July 15, 2004, 11:47:50 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Good one lazs.  For future reference, 26 X 2 = 52


swooosh...  sound of irony just flew past your head  :)
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Post by: Westy on July 15, 2004, 11:52:19 AM
Just to reenforce what Jackal1 is saying I'll tell about my one bad personal experience from a deal online but it involves a different, but just as scummy!, conman.

 Several people, including myself, were ripped off by a conman back when I was playing AW in 1997-98.    I was naive and I trusted this guy Ken Strohm (aka KenJR) who at the time was a community leader and real all around well-liked guy. He'd just formed a PC building business partnership with the lead trainer for AW and was to be the supplier of  PC's for the AW 1998 convention.  IMO, if people close to Kesmai and the AW Convention group themselves were doing business with him then I figured why not me?  When he would post systems on the nntp newsgroup  to inquires by people as to where to buy a 'puter he would post systems that sounded great. He promised "great" deals for his AW buds too. It sounded perfect!

 I did some checking by emailing with several people about him and recieved nothing alerting back so I felt safe and bought a PC from him.

 To make a long story short the PC I got was was NOT what was ordered and was clearly inferior.  I eventually found out he didn't build itt but had the local PC sweat shop in town (Florida) make it.  I called and emailed him to discuss the problems but he would not answer my emails and his phone (turned out to be a cellphone) stopped working. So after a few weeks went by I called his business partner, a handicapped veteran, and after talking with him (he had no invoice of a PC ever sold to me even though I had one with thier letter head on it)  I found out where my PC originated from. And that sadly he could not honor any warranty on it but would help me any other way he could. I also found out that his partnership with Strohm had terminated in the past week because he found out Strohm had been defrauding him too. He also screwed over the 98 AW con people also and several other minor people and businesses. So it was a pretty widespread thing.

 So what to do?  I couldn't get a refund.  I couldn't negotiate or deal with him to upgrade the PC to include the right perpherals that should have been in there. Call the police?  Sue him?  
 Nope. All of that would have cost more than the $1900 I'd spent for a substandard PC.  Instead I, as I imagine many scammed by Voss did, get my pound of flesh by bringing his name up every now and then & ostracising him. Alerting anyone who shows an interest in buying something from him that he'll rip them off.  KenJR is still out there in the WWII flightsim community afaik.  In FA I think.  But over the past 6 years I know I cost him far more business than he ever made off of me. And that serves as my justice.
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Post by: midnight Target on July 15, 2004, 11:53:38 AM
I'm just wondering how a guy can possibly earn 3 phd's while spending 5+ hours a day on a game.

Amazing!!!!
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Post by: midnight Target on July 15, 2004, 11:56:19 AM
OMG Westy! Is this the same KenJr. that we did a flyby for in honor of his dad?
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Post by: Westy on July 15, 2004, 12:01:33 PM
Yeah Midnight Target.  One and the same.  His Dad, Ken SR,  was certainly real and old enough to have served in WWII but the USAAF stories about him were all made up.  Complete rubbish.



edited to add:


lol.  Even as late as last year he was still at it.

http://www.hiredguns-hq.com/guns/LinksPages/KenSr.htm


even found a picture of the bastard

http://www.hiredguns-hq.com/guns/PhotoGalery/tibbets.jpg
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Post by: storch on July 15, 2004, 12:03:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by CyranoAH
nor 599

LOL
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Post by: Trell on July 15, 2004, 12:14:23 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
No, what it shows is common logic. It would only be "you" that lost again. It will not add up anyway you look at it.

 Have you ever been stung like this?
Have you ever got stuck with a lemon from GM , Ford, etc and weighed the costs of attorney fees to recoup against the loss you allready have invested and decided to take the loss?
  Have you ever gotten a bill from a utility company that`s was incorrect and was not your charges and in the end paid the bill because it was less hassle and less expensive than persuing the options?
  Have you ever booked a flight with a prominent airlines only to arrive at the terminal and find you are not listed on the passenger list?
  If none of these has ever happened to you , then you must be very, very young. Either that or I want to know how you are getting the internet service from deep within the amazon jungle.
No i have never had a lemon car,  but there are laws for that in the books,.

Yes i have had utility charges that were wrong.  And you know what i did, I called and complained, Sent documantation to back up my side.

I am sure i have been over charged on small things but It was not important enough for me to even worry about it.

Booked a fligjt?  That is y there are travel agents,  You know the servise intersty  is great, If you quit trying to cut corners to save your buck, and work with in the systems  you wont have too many troubles with the airlines.



Maybe I Grew up in a family that taught personal responsibilty. Rather then blamming my screw ups on every one else.
maybe your common logic is everyhitng you do is everyone else's fault, that you are perfect.  If knowing my mistakes and dealing with them is the amazon then thank god i am there insted of the world you live in.
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Post by: Lizking on July 15, 2004, 12:19:02 PM
Rather then blamming my screw ups on every one else.


This is exactly what your Bud Voss is doing.
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Post by: storch on July 15, 2004, 12:26:12 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
No, what it shows is common logic. It would only be "you" that lost again. It will not add up anyway you look at it.

 Have you ever been stung like this?
Have you ever got stuck with a lemon from GM , Ford, etc and weighed the costs of attorney fees to recoup against the loss you allready have invested and decided to take the loss?
  Have you ever gotten a bill from a utility company that`s was incorrect and was not your charges and in the end paid the bill because it was less hassle and less expensive than persuing the options?
  Have you ever booked a flight with a prominent airlines only to arrive at the terminal and find you are not listed on the passenger list?
  If none of these has ever happened to you , then you must be very, very young. Either that or I want to know how you are getting the internet service from deep within the amazon jungle.


Most of these folks don't seem to have real world experience, have never heard "throwing good money after bad" or are militantly ignorant.  That's what makes this BB so interesting!!
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Post by: Habu on July 15, 2004, 12:28:42 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Westy
Ken Strohm (aka KenJR)  snip

 KenJR is still out there in the WWII flightsim community afaik.  In FA I think.  But over the past 6 years I know I cost him far more business than he ever made off of me. And that serves as my justice.


I actually know that guy. He was playing Fighter Ace back when I did about 3 years ago. He came into the game and got really involved with all sorts of suggestions and offers to help.

I don't know if he is still there but fascinating to hear your experience.
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Post by: lazs2 on July 15, 2004, 12:44:29 PM
redtail.. sorry, was probly an inside joke..  gunman 26 left in a huff but came back as gunman 42 because "I am twice as good now and 2 times 26 is 42 you idiots!".

lazs
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Post by: Flit on July 15, 2004, 12:49:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Voss



8. TAS is gone.

TAS, as it was, will never be. The ideas created by ME were stolen and incorporated in games like Aces High, and WWII Online. If any of you were around then (and many of you claim to have been) then you should know this. Which of you broke the agreement of the non-disclosure contract you signed? Oh, wait, Hobutt released you from it, didn't he? You should know a little more about the law then. He doesn't have the right to summarily modify a contractual agreement after the fact.

You continue to attack my handle and name. Yet, in truth you owe me a thanks for all the great ideas without which you would find yourself playing WarBirds to this day. Yes, I believe HT stole my ideas through losers like you.

Have a nice day.

 This is all I need to see.
 If anyone doubts the story after this post,well I'll leave it at that.
  So Voss, how well do you know Wild Bill?;)
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Post by: Red Tail 444 on July 15, 2004, 12:59:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by flyingaround
If the Hornets care not about "honor" or "respect" then of course you won't care.  The case against metavoss is crystal clear.  Any squad with the slightest whiff of integrity would have booted metavoss out immediatly upon discovering his past.  The Hornets can of course fly with who they choose, BUT it does speak volumes about your squads character.

Of all the properties which belong to honorable men, not one is so highly prized as that of character.
--Henry Clay


No man who is corrupt, no man who condones corruption in others, can possibly do his duty by the community
--Theodore Roosevelt


Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud.
--Sophocles


All honor's wounds are self-inflicted.  
--Andrew Carnegie


Laws control the lesser man. Right conduct controls the greater one.
--Chinese Proverb


He that is good, will infallibly become better, and he that is bad, will as certainly become worse; for vice, virtue and time are three things that never stand still.  
--Charles Caleb Colton


The reality is, if we tell the truth, we only have to tell the truth once. If you lie, you have to keep lying forever.
--Rabbi Wayne Dosick


Man's character is his fate.
--Heraclitus


Integrity is the core of our character.
--L. Lionel Kendrick


I'm really pissed you didn't add MY quote to the ones you posted...see below :mad:  :D
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Post by: Red Tail 444 on July 15, 2004, 01:00:35 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Staga
swooosh...  sound of irony just flew past your head  :)


LMAO Oh chit, typo :rofl

No prob lazs, no one's perfect (especially those certain posters lurking around here that think they are). I was just bustin your balls in good fun anyway.
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 15, 2004, 01:02:28 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Trell
No i have never had a lemon car,  but there are laws for that in the books,.

Yes i have had utility charges that were wrong.  And you know what i did, I called and complained, Sent documantation to back up my side.

I am sure i have been over charged on small things but It was not important enough for me to even worry about it.

Booked a fligjt?  That is y there are travel agents,  You know the servise intersty  is great, If you quit trying to cut corners to save your buck, and work with in the systems  you wont have too many troubles with the airlines.



Maybe I Grew up in a family that taught personal responsibilty. Rather then blamming my screw ups on every one else.
maybe your common logic is everyhitng you do is everyone else's fault, that you are perfect.  If knowing my mistakes and dealing with them is the amazon then thank god i am there insted of the world you live in.


  Well I envy you then bud because you evidently live in a fictional "perfect world" that quite frankly does not exist.
  You and every person above the age of 12 has been scammed and paid the price. To say otherwise is just BS.
  Your claims of reporting, taking action at all costs and all expense to avoid or recoup from a misdoing  don`t hold beans. It just don`t happen. BTW, you are a pefect target for a good scam artist simply because you have the belief you can check backgrounds and facts on everything. A good scam artist could play you like a fine violin. This is the way things work in the real world. That`s the reason these folks can get by with it over and over again. The cost to recover losses over weigh the actual benefits and people are just not going , in the majority of cases, take more money out of their pocket to take the chance that these individuals will pay for their wrong doings. The system has loophole after loophole and these people know exactly where their line is to be safe.
  Is OJ Simpson actualy guilty? Positively.
  Was he found guilty in a court of law? Nope.
  Was millions of dollars spent trying to bring him to justice and make him pay for his crime. Ya damn betcha.
  Was these very prominent people involved in the loss of millions to bring him to justice scammed out of their money. Hell yes.
  Does these same people use every opportunity to get in print and on TV, the outrage of this happening and to spread the word that a threat still exists anywhere this murderer is allowed to live, mingle, etc?  Absolutely, and rightly so.  If and when O.J. ever loses it again,( and I truly beleive this will happen), he has the perfect defense allready built in by folks such as yourself that believes every thing is peachy in Happy Town and cry foul saying the victims could have avoided it and they are responsible.  Logic such as you have stated here is exactly what makes possible for the professinal criminal to continue to be just that. In other words my friend, you have allready been scammed by them into supporting the very thing that keeps them in the ballgame.
 Your example of "there is travel agencies" used above is hilarious. Travel agencies are a legalized scam taking money from folks for a total uneeded service. They far and beyond make more screw ups, with no recourse to the customer, than the average person ever will dealing direct with the airlines of choice, etc. In other words , if you live by your above stated beliefs, you have not only been scammed big time, but you also are to the point of supporting the scammer.
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Post by: mietla on July 15, 2004, 01:08:11 PM
Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
redtail.. sorry, was probly an inside joke..  gunman 26 left in a huff but came back as gunman 42 because "I am twice as good now and 2 times 26 is 42 you idiots!".

lazs


:D
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Post by: Shamus on July 15, 2004, 01:32:04 PM
LOL Trell, time for a rebait dont ya think? :)  

(btw..he does know how to run a background investigation and has a bit of knowledge about the travel industry)
:rofl

shamus
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 15, 2004, 01:48:33 PM
Airhead
"Not pissed and not trying to be funny, GTO. Trying to be serious for a bit (life has been serious lately instead of fun, it's a cyclical thingie) and seriously- almost 600 posts condemning the 418th cause Voss is a member?

If he ripped you off, sue him. If you have knowledge he's conspiring to commit a crime, call the police. And if your respect for somebody has diminished because they're members of the 418th then get therapy, you need it.

Now have a nice day. Seriously."


I personaly was not condemning the hornets, but some of their sqaud members have shown themselves to be real low lifes. There are ways to defend a budy without lowering yourself to the level of a 12 year old.

I know I am not inocent on this thread and I have done my share of flaming, but I have tried to keep it to at least a semi mature level, and yeah in the grand sceme this thread is pretty lame. But I do agree with the people who think the Voss story needs to stay alive.

Voss is still around, therefore the people need to know just what kind of loser he is, much like the people living in a town should be told a child molestor is in the area. It helps the comunity help the scum bag to not hurt anyone again.

He has shown no remorse at all, and his threads in main were pretty digusting, he would try and con again if given the chance.


Sorry to hear life for you is not inspiring your sense of humor, you were a true artist!
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Post by: Trell on July 15, 2004, 01:49:51 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
Well I envy you then bud because you evidently live in a fictional "perfect world" that quite frankly does not exist.
  You and every person above the age of 12 has been scammed and paid the price. To say otherwise is just BS.
  Your claims of reporting, taking action at all costs and all expense to avoid or recoup from a misdoing  don`t hold beans. It just don`t happen. BTW, you are a pefect target for a good scam artist simply because you have the belief you can check backgrounds and facts on everything. A good scam artist could play you like a fine violin. This is the way things work in the real world. That`s the reason these folks can get by with it over and over again. The cost to recover losses over weigh the actual benefits and people are just not going , in the majority of cases, take more money out of their pocket to take the chance that these individuals will pay for their wrong doings. The system has loophole after loophole and these people know exactly where their line is to be safe.
  Is OJ Simpson actualy guilty? Positively.
  Was he found guilty in a court of law? Nope.
  Was millions of dollars spent trying to bring him to justice and make him pay for his crime. Ya damn betcha.
  Was these very prominent people involved in the loss of millions to bring him to justice scammed out of their money. Hell yes.
  Does these same people use every opportunity to get in print and on TV, the outrage of this happening and to spread the word that a threat still exists anywhere this murderer is allowed to live, mingle, etc?  Absolutely, and rightly so.  If and when O.J. ever loses it again,( and I truly beleive this will happen), he has the perfect defense allready built in by folks such as yourself that believes every thing is peachy in Happy Town and cry foul saying the victims could have avoided it and they are responsible.  Logic such as you have stated here is exactly what makes possible for the professinal criminal to continue to be just that. In other words my friend, you have allready been scammed by them into supporting the very thing that keeps them in the ballgame.
 Your example of "there is travel agencies" used above is hilarious. Travel agencies are a legalized scam taking money from folks for a total uneeded service. They far and beyond make more screw ups, with no recourse to the customer, than the average person ever will dealing direct with the airlines of choice, etc. In other words , if you live by your above stated beliefs, you have not only been scammed big time, but you also are to the point of supporting the scammer.


I have never lived in a fictional world  I live as a  cynic   I don’t believe anyone but close friends, I don’t buy things on Blind faith, I buy things on research ,  if that mean I will be scammed I would like to ask HOW?  You are the one that seems to defend people buying things on blind faith rather than asking for proof of a product is the right thing to do.

You may be right, I may buy something that turns out to be bad, but you know what?? It will be my fault for not having it checked out first.

You seem to think because I check everything out I am going to get scammed?  Now you are right that must be "Common logic” lol

I was not at the oj trials and did not spend my ever waking moments watching it so I don’t know if he is guilty or not,  I don’t have enough information to make the decision.


You are dead wrong about travel agents, They get paid to keep you happy, they survive on repeated business, and will normally cover cost of any problems that are made, Can you say the same about the airlines?, They also get paid because of the information they have and experience in the tourism interest, they have knowledge about good hotels and are paid for knowing as much as pliable,

Tell me are electricians, computer techs, builders or any other service people also scammers?  You can do all those jobs cheaper your self
So you must support scammers as well.

Scammers get away with things Because of people Like U  Ones that decied that bthey want to be the morality police, To tell everyone else how they should act but that will not take the moral responsibility to act on there ow, to file chargers, or to even take them to joe browns court.

I am not defending anyone,  I am asking the mob for  the Proof before they burn the witch
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Post by: Sixpence on July 15, 2004, 01:52:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Trell
I am not defending anyone,  I am asking the mob for  the Proof before they burn the witch


You remind me of cartmann

Cartmann: "I did not get abducted by aliens"

Kyle: " Dude, there's a 60 foot antenna sticking out of your prettythang!"

Cartmann: "I don't know what you're talking about"
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Post by: Trell on July 15, 2004, 01:59:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sixpence
You remind me of cartmann

Cartmann: "I did not get abducted by aliens"

Kyle: " Dude, there's a 60 foot antenna sticking out of your prettythang!"

Cartmann: "I don't know what you're talking about"


Lol this from the mob huh?
Still looking for the smoking gun,  One piece of proof that he is anything more than a lier.

were you one of the ones that lost money sixpence?
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 15, 2004, 02:01:07 PM
It is interesting this thread still lives. Skuzzy has to know about it.


I think that says something about the whole Voss thing. More so now then yesterday when it was more new, there is no way they could have missed all this stuff.
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Post by: HUN on July 15, 2004, 02:03:32 PM
Hi Everybody :D

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Post by: Lizking on July 15, 2004, 02:04:23 PM
Well, as far as I am concerned, lying about a military career is as bad or worse than scamming a few bucks.
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Post by: Edbert on July 15, 2004, 02:06:33 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Trell
I am not defending anyone,  I am asking the mob for  the Proof before they burn the witch

That attitude is understandable and even commendable, but you have to also understand the timeline here. This is about much more than TAS, and all the talk about scmmers and such diverts attention from the littany of offenses by the one called Voss. There is NO doubt an the mind of anyone who is objective that Voss is an unbelievably scummy and sick individual. That was never in question on this thread and even some of Metatron's staunchest supporters would probably agree to that. The only part of this saga that was in question is whether or not metatron IS Voss. If you re-read this thread you will see that that is no longer in question.  The proof that Voss=scum is there you only have to open your eyes to see it, you can of course choose to ignore it as well. The choice is yours.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 15, 2004, 02:10:51 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GtoRA2
Airhead
"Not pissed and not trying to be funny, GTO. Trying to be serious for a bit (life has been serious lately instead of fun, it's a cyclical thingie) and seriously- almost 600 posts condemning the 418th cause Voss is a member?

If he ripped you off, sue him. If you have knowledge he's conspiring to commit a crime, call the police. And if your respect for somebody has diminished because they're members of the 418th then get therapy, you need it.

Now have a nice day. Seriously."


I personaly was not condemning the hornets, but some of their sqaud members have shown themselves to be real low lifes. There are ways to defend a budy without lowering yourself to the level of a 12 year old.

I know I am not inocent on this thread and I have done my share of flaming, but I have tried to keep it to at least a semi mature level, and yeah in the grand sceme this thread is pretty lame. But I do agree with the people who think the Voss story needs to stay alive.

Voss is still around, therefore the people need to know just what kind of loser he is, much like the people living in a town should be told a child molestor is in the area. It helps the comunity help the scum bag to not hurt anyone again.

He has shown no remorse at all, and his threads in main were pretty digusting, he would try and con again if given the chance.


Sorry to hear life for you is not inspiring your sense of humor, you were a true artist!


I second this on every point!
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 15, 2004, 02:11:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GtoRA2
It is interesting this thread still lives. Skuzzy has to know about it.


I think that says something about the whole Voss thing. More so now then yesterday when it was more new, there is no way they could have missed all this stuff.


Trust me, they KNOW about it! ;)

Zazen
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Post by: Trell on July 15, 2004, 02:12:03 PM
I think this thread is still here becasue  There have been very few personal attacts against oneanother( other than voss of course.  as long as it stays a discussion and not a flame fest I dont see that changing .
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Post by: Nefarious on July 15, 2004, 02:30:34 PM
Just figured I'd stop in and say hi.
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 15, 2004, 02:31:35 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Trell
I have never lived in a fictional world  I live as a  cynic   I don’t believe anyone but close friends, I don’t buy things on Blind faith, I buy things on research ,  if that mean I will be scammed I would like to ask HOW?  You are the one that seems to defend people buying things on blind faith rather than asking for proof of a product is the right thing to do.

You may be right, I may buy something that turns out to be bad, but you know what?? It will be my fault for not having it checked out first.

You seem to think because I check everything out I am going to get scammed?  Now you are right that must be "Common logic” lol

I was not at the oj trials and did not spend my ever waking moments watching it so I don’t know if he is guilty or not,  I don’t have enough information to make the decision.


You are dead wrong about travel agents, They get paid to keep you happy, they survive on repeated business, and will normally cover cost of any problems that are made, Can you say the same about the airlines?, They also get paid because of the information they have and experience in the tourism interest, they have knowledge about good hotels and are paid for knowing as much as pliable,

Tell me are electricians, computer techs, builders or any other service people also scammers?  You can do all those jobs cheaper your self
So you must support scammers as well.

Scammers get away with things Because of people Like U  Ones that decied that bthey want to be the morality police, To tell everyone else how they should act but that will not take the moral responsibility to act on there ow, to file chargers, or to even take them to joe browns court.

I am not defending anyone,  I am asking the mob for  the Proof before they burn the witch


  I`m willing to bet that your opinion will change with a little maturity and age.  The old rose colored glasses will fade enough so you will see things in a little more realistic light.
  Since you have gotten so confused and seem to be trying to put "your" meanings to things that have been clearly stated otherwise , our discussion is over.  
Have a good un.
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Post by: Trell on July 15, 2004, 02:37:14 PM
And that was the answer i was looking for,
soneone who does not want to justify his points, insted just used a picture.
btw I really love the age cracks when you dont even know my age.

Thank you... really.
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Post by: mosgood on July 15, 2004, 02:52:26 PM
Comon guys.... let's talk about strippers instead!!!  :cool:

I'm heading down to one after work...  anyone want me to pick ya up something while I'm there??
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Post by: storch on July 15, 2004, 02:55:22 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Trell
And that was the answer i was looking for,
soneone who does not want to justify his points, insted just used a picture.
btw I really love the age cracks when you dont even know my age.

Thank you... really.


Where did I hear those were worth a thousand words?  Wipe the spit from your monitor and edit your spelling.
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Post by: Grimm on July 15, 2004, 02:59:50 PM
Trell,  
Your reasoning seems a bit flawed to me.    You keep saying if your the victum of a crime or any wrong doing,  its your fault for not protecting yourself and the person that did the wrong is inocent.    

If a Young woman wears a pretty dress and someone assaults her its her fault for wearing a pretty dress???   Thats the same logic.  

I do agree that folks should try to take measures to protect themselves.  In part that is what many in the flight sim community are doing right now in this forum.   Still, Wrong is wrong in my eyes.

Voss did wrong for several things,  Lying to people about TAS,  Cheating folks out of time and money,  Impresonating a military vet,  claiming HT stole Ideas from him,  etc....

I have a feeling you believe he is Scum like the rest of us,  but are getting hung up on a small point about proof of Conning folks out of money.    

I think I will go on the word of those that claim they did,  Voss's word isnt worth believing.   Its good enough for me, since this is not a court of law,  just a disscussion in the community.
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 15, 2004, 03:01:36 PM
Voss has been turned pretty much into everyones *****, him getting a little stipper costume is prolly soon to follow.


Picture that one Mos!!:D
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Post by: Horn on July 15, 2004, 03:02:52 PM
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Originally posted by Trell
Lol this from the mob huh?
Still looking for the smoking gun,  One piece of proof that he is anything more than a lier.

were you one of the ones that lost money sixpence?


From someone who considers himself cynical and a "researcher before a buyer" you sure haven't gotten off the dime on this one. Point your browser to google, goto google groups and type in Voss, TAS and Paul Hinds into the search engine.

You will get tons of information to answer your questions. You will also see what the hell we're talking about.

h
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Post by: Sikboy on July 15, 2004, 03:08:01 PM
Wow, I'm amazed at the staying power of this thread lol.

-Sik
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Post by: Trell on July 15, 2004, 03:15:43 PM
Thanks grim that is one of the best posts so far.
Now with the women that is not really the same problem, But i will work with it.

Ok a women is raped, and she does not report it, what is to stop him from doing it again, I do not mean that she should folow him around for the next 7 years looking for what he is calling himself like the people of the compunty have been doing, I am talking about a police report, File charges, take him to cord, and save the world from a rapist,

No one has done that with voss.  But with out doing that it is allmost like like condoning it.

I am not for scam artist, I am for the filing charges against them if they did somehting wrong, and if it is to much of a bother to do that, then to forget about them.

how can i put this,   If a scammer took money from me, and i got as worked up as some of u in the compunity has, I would have done sonething about it.

So much of what i have read here is hearsay,  secondhand discussions, somehting they heard from a friend.
You are right I am getting hung up about the proof of theft, becasue with out proof of theft, this is just a card castle.


Do
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Post by: hitech on July 15, 2004, 03:15:50 PM
Posted BY MetaTron.

Quote
He gave my three businesses enough of a tax break for me to put another fifty-seven people to work. When profits went up again I hired another twenty-three people. If this trend continues another one-hundred people will have jobs over the next four years.



Any questions why this thread hasn't been locked?


HiTech
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Post by: Edbert on July 15, 2004, 03:17:42 PM
Quote
Originally posted by hitech
Posted BY MetaTron.

 


Any questions why this thread hasn't been locked?


HiTech


Nope, we understand completely.

PS. Happy Birthday Dale!
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Post by: Trell on July 15, 2004, 03:18:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Horn
From someone who considers himself cynical and a "researcher before a buyer" you sure haven't gotten off the dime on this one. Point your browser to google, goto google groups and type in Voss, TAS and Paul Hinds into the search engine.

You will get tons of information to answer your questions. You will also see what the hell we're talking about.

h


horn  nothing i could find on google showed any charges filed, no police report filed, so judgment against voss, or even any type of paper proof of how much money or how many people he is accused from stealing from.
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 15, 2004, 03:18:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by hitech
Posted BY MetaTron.

 


Any questions why this thread hasn't been locked?


HiTech


Nope. Never was a doubt why HT. U da man.
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Post by: Westy on July 15, 2004, 03:19:05 PM
OMG.   Proof a skunk can't get rid of it's stripe




http://216.91.192.19/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123794&highlight=profits
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Post by: Trell on July 15, 2004, 03:20:03 PM
LOL, well i am glad it is still open.


But it is time for be to get back to work,  will check back latter
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Post by: Citabria on July 15, 2004, 03:26:51 PM
lol and he is at it again right now!!!

Quote
Originally posted by MetaVOSS
He gave my three businesses enough of a tax break for me to put another fifty-seven people to work. When profits went up again I hired another twenty-three people. If this trend continues another one-hundred people will have jobs over the next four years.
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Post by: storch on July 15, 2004, 03:27:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Trell
I have never lived in a fictional world  I live as a  cynic   I don’t believe anyone but close friends


The person who best scammed me was a very close friend and the friendship went back to just after highschool for me.  He slowly fleeced me out of a consdierable amount of money over five year's time.  He was able to do so with clever lies and because I refused to question his integrity but rather questioned his decisions with regard to business.  I was stupid and I paid the price.  Since then I have a new rule no business with friends or family.  It keeps things friendlier.
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Post by: VOR on July 15, 2004, 03:28:20 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Westy
Just to reenforce what Jackal1 is saying I'll tell about my one bad personal experience from a deal online but it involves a different, but just as scummy!, conman.

 Several people, including myself, were ripped off by a conman back when I was playing AW in 1997-98.    I was naive and I trusted this guy Ken Strohm (aka KenJR) who at the time was a community leader and real all around well-liked guy. He'd just formed a PC building business partnership with the lead trainer for AW and was to be the supplier of  PC's for the AW 1998 convention.  IMO, if people close to Kesmai and the AW Convention group themselves were doing business with him then I figured why not me?  When he would post systems on the nntp newsgroup  to inquires by people as to where to buy a 'puter he would post systems that sounded great. He promised "great" deals for his AW buds too. It sounded perfect!

 I did some checking by emailing with several people about him and recieved nothing alerting back so I felt safe and bought a PC from him.

 To make a long story short the PC I got was was NOT what was ordered and was clearly inferior.  I eventually found out he didn't build itt but had the local PC sweat shop in town (Florida) make it.  I called and emailed him to discuss the problems but he would not answer my emails and his phone (turned out to be a cellphone) stopped working. So after a few weeks went by I called his business partner, a handicapped veteran, and after talking with him (he had no invoice of a PC ever sold to me even though I had one with thier letter head on it)  I found out where my PC originated from. And that sadly he could not honor any warranty on it but would help me any other way he could. I also found out that his partnership with Strohm had terminated in the past week because he found out Strohm had been defrauding him too. He also screwed over the 98 AW con people also and several other minor people and businesses. So it was a pretty widespread thing.

 So what to do?  I couldn't get a refund.  I couldn't negotiate or deal with him to upgrade the PC to include the right perpherals that should have been in there. Call the police?  Sue him?  
 Nope. All of that would have cost more than the $1900 I'd spent for a substandard PC.  Instead I, as I imagine many scammed by Voss did, get my pound of flesh by bringing his name up every now and then & ostracising him. Alerting anyone who shows an interest in buying something from him that he'll rip them off.  KenJR is still out there in the WWII flightsim community afaik.  In FA I think.  But over the past 6 years I know I cost him far more business than he ever made off of me. And that serves as my justice.


I think I remember this guy! Didn't he own a B-17, his brother own an F4U, and he was often pitching his PCs in the AW arenas? I recall him mentioning that he sold alot of em at airshows cause he would demonstrate them with AW3 running on them. Talked about getting 90+ FPS (which was pretty cool back then). If it's the same guy I think it is. Pretty sure.
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Post by: Westy on July 15, 2004, 03:33:59 PM
That's him Vor.  I rememberl him telling me all about the B-17 and his brother flying an F4U when we talked on the phone (when I ordered the PC)
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Post by: AWBrat on July 15, 2004, 03:46:08 PM
(cracks knuckles)

Sorry I'm late! I see we've already broke ground and are bulldozing all the crap back to whence it came...

/wave HT

Hi Voss...remember ME? Shall we continue where we left off from the last war of words...or would you like save yourself the time and pain, tuck tail and run...AGAIN!

I'm admittedly a little rusty...and after so many years now, it's become a bit more difficult to hunt down the petrified craptastic quotes from you that infested the flightsim community like crabs on an unwashed hooker...but I'll give it a go if you wish...

I guess you could always resort to "I don't remember you, I have no idea who you are." again...for like the 4th time actually...and always after you manage to resurface and I push you back down like the floating **** you are...

+Brat
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Post by: HUN on July 15, 2004, 03:52:44 PM
Roth Roh We now have an experienced  bigweeker ^ in here this could get really good...
:D :cool:
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Post by: Citabria on July 15, 2004, 03:58:58 PM
lol VOSS headhunters have picked up his trail and are closing in for the kill.
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 15, 2004, 03:59:26 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AWBrat
(cracks knuckles)

Sorry I'm late! I see we've already broke ground and are bulldozing all the crap back to whence it came...

/wave HT

Hi Voss...remember ME? Shall we continue where we left off from the last war of words...or would you like save yourself the time and pain, tuck tail and run...AGAIN!

I'm admittedly a little rusty...and after so many years now, it's become a bit more difficult to hunt down the petrified craptastic quotes from you that infested the flightsim community like crabs on an unwashed hooker...but I'll give it a go if you wish...

I guess you could always resort to "I don't remember you, I have no idea who you are." again...for like the 4th time actually...and always after you manage to resurface and I push you back down like the floating **** you are...

+Brat

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/22_1089924901_carpcamo1.gif)
:D
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 04:02:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by hitech
Posted BY MetaTron.

 


Any questions why this thread hasn't been locked?


HiTech


actually yes Dale....

why wasn't it locked when the monkeys started shootin peanuts at the Hornets....

If you have a problems with Meta fine....but don't you think it went a little too far when potatoNETS started flyin around....

maybe I should start a thread all about them FAT DUMB BASTARDS....I will give it 5 minutes before its locked

showing your true colors Dale?
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 15, 2004, 04:03:13 PM
Jackal1
 Where the heck is that Arlo qoute from your sig? That is comic gold!!
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 04:07:20 PM
Quote
Originally posted by HUN
Roth Roh We now have an experienced  bigweeker ^ in here this could get really good...
:D :cool:


Ahem .... another experienced BWer. ;)
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 15, 2004, 04:08:30 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GtoRA2
Jackal1
 Where the heck is that Arlo qoute from your sig? That is comic gold!!


  LOL I beleive it was in the original VOSS thread. too many to keep up with, but Arlo has came out with some real collectors items. :D
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Post by: hitech on July 15, 2004, 04:12:35 PM
Wish your squad hadn't got caught up in this slo, but it apears they have suffered some fall out from the duck shooting.


HiTech
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Post by: airbumba on July 15, 2004, 04:15:54 PM
Trell u  are trully a scumbag if you spend so much effort defending  scumbags, now even rapists shouldn't be chased for 7 years.....lol. Scumbag.
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Post by: Citabria on July 15, 2004, 04:15:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
actually yes Dale....

why wasn't it locked when the monkeys started shootin peanuts at the Hornets....

If you have a problems with Meta fine....but don't you think it went a little too far when potatoNETS started flyin around....

maybe I should start a thread all about them FAT DUMB BASTARDS....I will give it 5 minutes before its locked

showing your true colors Dale?


the real hornets always knew this was never about their squad. it was about VOSS alone and his amazing fraudulent practices.

there is a small number of hornet squad members that saw fit to drag the squad into it to "protect" or "stand up" for VOSS but overall they have been pretty much ignored in spite of themselves because no one is really interested in the hornet squad nor interested in berating them. the fascination and malice lies with this scam artist and his unrepentent consistent practices of deception and the fact that he is in the hornet squad is merely a coincidence.
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Post by: midnight Target on July 15, 2004, 04:30:34 PM
I feel sorry for the Hornets. Not only do they have Voss to call their own, they have at least 3 members who feel its the victim's fault when a wrong is committed.

I've been a Nightmare since AW2. I'd be gone in a heartbeat if something similar were to occur.
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Post by: Furious on July 15, 2004, 04:36:06 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
...maybe I should start a thread all about them FAT DUMB BASTARDS....


Yes!!!  Please do.  It would be fun as heck.  Hell, I will even help ya.  Those FDP are a bunch of loser scumbags.  I hate 'em.


...'course none of 'em are chronic liars or cry babies, but there is plenty of other crap.  We will have a field day.
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Post by: Shane on July 15, 2004, 04:38:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by midnight Target
I've been a Nightmare since AW2. I'd be gone in a heartbeat if something similar were to occur.


that was one reason why i never re-joined the Hired Guns in FR AW3, after kenjr had weaseled his way into the squad.
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 04:47:40 PM
Quote
Originally posted by midnight Target
I feel sorry for the Hornets. Not only do they have Voss to call their own, they have at least 3 members who feel its the victim's fault when a wrong is committed.

I've been a Nightmare since AW2. I'd be gone in a heartbeat if something similar were to occur.


matter of perception....

because we call you stupid for giving money to someone over the Internet...

you actually think this...your quote ' at least 3 members who feel its the victim's fault when a wrong is committed.'

yes we feel for the victims....as being idiots...nothing more nothing less

like I said...matter of perception
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Post by: VOR on July 15, 2004, 04:49:49 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Westy
That's him Vor.  I rememberl him telling me all about the B-17 and his brother flying an F4U when we talked on the phone (when I ordered the PC)


Wow, this whole thing comes as a surprise. He seemed like such a likeable guy, and everyone seemed to think pretty highly of him. I flew around with him now and then as well. I guess with the advantage of hindsight it should have been obvious the guy was full of it.
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Post by: VOR on July 15, 2004, 04:51:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
matter of perception....

because we call you stupid for giving money to someone over the Internet...

you actually think this...your quote ' at least 3 members who feel its the victim's fault when a wrong is committed.'

yes we feel for the victims....as being idiots...nothing more nothing less

like I said...matter of perception


Pretty weak.
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 04:52:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by hitech
Wish your squad hadn't got caught up in this slo, but it apears they have suffered some fall out from the duck shooting.


HiTech


problem is Dale they did...and you did nothing too stop it.....you actually encouraged it.

the thread was about 1 person....not a squad.

thx for showing your true colors.
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 04:53:25 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
matter of deception....

like I said...matter of deception


:aok
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Post by: Kwan on July 15, 2004, 04:53:32 PM
Can't believe I read the WHOLE THING....  :)
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Post by: Trell on July 15, 2004, 04:55:06 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Kwan
Can't believe I read the WHOLE THING....  :)



Lol you should try posting in half of it:aok
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Post by: Sikboy on July 15, 2004, 04:55:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
problem is Dale they did...and you did nothing too stop it.....you actually encouraged it.

the thread was about 1 person....not a squad.

thx for showing your true colors.


Going to defile Hitechs breakfast now?

I just want to know, so I can plan my meals accordingly.


-Sik
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 04:55:25 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
the thread was about 1 person....not a squad.


Don't blame Dale for you feeling like Voss was worth defending for some bizarre reason. ;)
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 04:55:50 PM
lol Arlo:D
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 05:02:19 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
Don't blame Dale for you feeling like Voss was worth defending for some bizarre reason. ;)


do you understand what perception means Arlo.....

he did nothing to anyone in the squad he is now....so why should we go on a witch hunt just because Fester's a little frustrated and starts posting stuff that was done 2 years ago...

I don't live in the past....and the past will not dictate my future.

until Meta does something to ME, then me and him will have problems....If he does something bad to someone in the squad then me and him will have problems...but that just did not happen
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 05:03:10 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sikboy
Going to defile Hitechs breakfast now?

I just want to know, so I can plan my meals accordingly.


-Sik


SikBoy....your a 0 on a scale of 1 to 10...get lost
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Post by: Westy on July 15, 2004, 05:05:28 PM
SLO I hate to break it to you but you're handle has quicky taken on a whole different meaning from what you intended it to be.

 You really, really should quit while you are able.
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Post by: Sikboy on July 15, 2004, 05:05:43 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
SikBoy....your a 0 on a scale of 1 to 10...get lost


"you're" :)

Poor guy, can't even keep up. Some enforcer lol.

-Sik
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Post by: midnight Target on July 15, 2004, 05:11:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
matter of perception....


yes we feel for the victims....as being idiots...nothing more nothing less

like I said...matter of perception


Seems pretty clear to me.

:aok
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 05:11:57 PM
Do you understand what "scumbag that isn't worth your time defending" means, Slo? No ... you don't. Aamof, you're so blissfully ignorant of the simple concept that you're willing to strap yourself to Voss and be his living shield. And guess what .... he's willing to let you. Yup ... he's your good friend, Slo. But since being taken advantage of only applies to money exchanging hands and all .... :aok
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Post by: Sikboy on July 15, 2004, 05:15:08 PM
ROFL, I just noticed that you were the history professor from the Mers El Kabir Thread.

In that thread, I figured your problem was just basic ignorance. Now I'm leaning towards willful stupidity.

-Sik
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Post by: midnight Target on July 15, 2004, 05:18:05 PM
Maybe we shall dub thee....


Slowhead of the potatonuts
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 15, 2004, 05:19:01 PM
Is this the largest thread ever?
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Post by: Pongo on July 15, 2004, 05:19:15 PM
The Hornets have brought there portion of this on themselves in my mind.

posts like this"When you're number 1, someones always trying to knock you down.  You America basher!   (j/k)"

show how they decide who is in their squad. If they are victims in this thread then they have made themselves victims.

They were doing just fine trying to confuse the issue of if metrodome is voss or not. And had he just stayed out of it this thread would have been dead 400 posts ago. But he cannot open his mouth without lieing and he will lie in anyway that makes himself look better richer etc.
Being that he has a habit of creating fake accounts and then posting to defend himself with them you will see that accounts that defend him are suspect. Not because people are insane, but becuase he does do that.  

My favorite vossism.
He was on channel one last year or the year befor. Someone was talking about playing the game on a huge TV. I had been looking at big TVS and was interested. Voss pipes in that he plays on a 70 inch model that he picked up recently. I ask what make. He tells me. I Swap out to the interent and look up the manufacturer. They dont have a 70 inch model. I swap back and ask if its a new model? He says the latest model.
I confirm the manufacturer and then tell him its a stupid thing to lie about there is no such TV. He starts imediatly off making up why only he has this special huge TV that doenst exist.
There is Voss for ya. You ask yourself..why lie? Cant help it. Why not admit it? Cant do it. His only defense of lies is more lies.
People that pass on his defenses that they read on thier squad BBS are probably just passing on lies themselves.

Fly with who you like. But if you defend a lier then prepare to be flamed for it.
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 05:21:13 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Westy
SLO I hate to break it to you but you're handle has quicky taken on a whole different meaning from what you intended it to be.

 You really, really should quit while you are able.


your opinion means nothing too me Westy
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Post by: Marlboro on July 15, 2004, 05:22:18 PM
I think all the Guys Defending Voss had some thing to do with it or are planing too.. Watch out for that  squad .. :mad:
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 05:27:04 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Marlboro
I think all the Guys Defending Voss had some thing to do with it or are planing too.. Watch out for that  squad .. :mad:



see what I mean Dale.....
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Post by: lazs2 on July 15, 2004, 05:28:33 PM
according to ripsnort... support for voss is at an all time high on their potatonets forum.

Seems the more they learn about the guy the more they like him.

lazs
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Post by: Slash27 on July 15, 2004, 05:29:10 PM
Is this the largest thread ever?


It will be. Good read so far. I just wish I could take it to the john with me.
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Post by: Redd on July 15, 2004, 05:31:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
problem is Dale they did...and you did nothing too stop it.....you actually encouraged it.

the thread was about 1 person....not a squad.

thx for showing your true colors.




Slo

This is not about the Hornets

Voss came into Hitech's game 6 years ago and tried to con and lure away his customer base.He is back now claiming that Hitech stole his idea's.
Would I close the thread if I was Dale ?  - no way.



Redd


PS  Voss  - having the idea to build a realistic , graphically perfect flight sim is not the hard thing - doing it is the hard thing.
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Post by: Citabria on July 15, 2004, 05:35:18 PM
700 lol

(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/Voss_story.jpg)
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Post by: straffo on July 15, 2004, 05:36:15 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sikboy
ROFL, I just noticed that you were the history professor from the Mers El Kabir Thread.

In that thread, I figured your problem was just basic ignorance. Now I'm leaning towards willful stupidity.

-Sik


Actually concernig this thread Slo was not completly wrong.

And later Toulon prooved the french navy had more honor than the british governement.
(take note I'm not speaking of the Royal Navy)
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Post by: Redd on July 15, 2004, 05:37:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
do you understand what perception means Arlo.....

he did nothing to anyone in the squad he is now....so why should we go on a witch hunt just because Fester's a little frustrated and starts posting stuff that was done 2 years ago...

I don't live in the past....and the past will not dictate my future.

until Meta does something to ME, then me and him will have problems....If he does something bad to someone in the squad then me and him will have problems...but that just did not happen



Given everything you know about Voss , one question is , would he cheat the game he is playing if it was at all possible.

The answer has to be yes .

For that reason alone I wouldn't have him in a squad.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: 2bighorn on July 15, 2004, 05:40:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
see what I mean Dale.....
So Hornets are the victims now?

Let me quote you again
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
yes we feel for the victims....as being idiots...nothing more nothing less
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Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 05:42:05 PM
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Post by: Pongo on July 15, 2004, 05:43:17 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO

quote:
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Originally posted by Marlboro
I think all the Guys Defending Voss had some thing to do with it or are planing too.. Watch out for that squad ..  
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see what I mean Dale.....


see what we mean. A guy who doenst match any game handle logs on and posts that and you imediatly grasp at it and start using it in your defence. Any idea who marlboro might be?
He isnt in the game and he had 4 posts and joined this month some time.
What do you think slo? think your squadi would start a new account to add some wood to the fire and make this seem like people hate your squad now?
If voss did that do you defend it?   If its voss then you are spreading his lies.
Are you sure its not your squadi up to his usual tricks?
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Post by: Citabria on July 15, 2004, 05:45:22 PM
the irony of slo being the victim of voss' defense and looking to ht for sympathy while proclaming that the victims of voss' treachery are to blame themselves for being idiots... and all the while slo is another voss victim...


lol
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 05:46:31 PM
Straffo.....SikBoy is a Sick boy....delusional in all aspects.....only his truths concern him.

he actaully still thinks the US won WW2....:D

pas grave mon pote....je vais canceller mon compte avec HTC....Il m'a montre ca veritable penser sur le sujet....ces un wannabe tous comme les autre....typique....pis c'est pas moi qui va payer pour son gaz d'avion...un client de plus ou un de moin....il sent fous
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 05:47:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
the irony of slo being the victim of voss' defense and looking to ht for sympathy while proclaming that the victims of voss' treachery are to blame themselves for being idiots... and all the while slo is another voss victim...


lol


victim of what oh great wannabe attention seeker
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Post by: Citabria on July 15, 2004, 05:50:40 PM
victim of being a pawn.
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 05:51:46 PM
oh and BTW Fester....I don't need Voss to tell me your an Idiot....I've known that for a long time now
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 05:52:11 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
see what I mean Dale.....


Don't blame Dale. This is your doing. ;)
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 05:52:26 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
victim of being a pawn.


a pawn too what
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Post by: straffo on July 15, 2004, 05:52:26 PM
Une petite derniere avant d'aller au lit :)

Je pense que tu te monte le bourrichon, je ne crois pas que cela merite autre chose que de laisser ce post être oublié.

Même si il resurgira tot ou tard ... ils ont bonne mémoire ici :)

Je pense personellement que tu devrais prendre sur toi et laisser ce thread mourir.

Reconnais quand même que Voss à l'air d'être un personnage peu fréquentable mais je comprend que tu défende bec et ongle un squadie c'est très honorable.

Mais cela ne doit pas te faire oublier que en fesant cela tu peux agir à l'encontre de ton squad et lui faire du tord.

Je tre repete laisse tomber cette histoire et amuse toi dans AH :)

@+ je vais me pieuter :)
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 05:53:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
Don't blame Dale. This is your doing. ;)


sure I attacked my own squad...your starting to sound funny....you know the straight jacket kinda funny :p
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Post by: lazs2 on July 15, 2004, 05:55:30 PM
so slow.... do you really believe that metavoss has hired 57 more emplyees in his 3 bussines's this year?   How bout...

do you really believe that ht in concert with some unscrupulous TAS beta testers.... stole all the hard work voss had done and now... AH is simply voss's TAS and HT did nothing?

How bout voss playing on a 70" screen that doesn't exist?   His lies continue to this day.  

The man is one tiny little certifiable nutbag..    Guess the fact that he lives on line and racks up points for you guys cuts a lot of BS huh?

lazs
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 05:56:02 PM
Quote
Originally posted by straffo
Une petite derniere avant d'aller au lit :)

Je pense que tu te monte le bourrichon, je ne crois pa


tarbanac parle donc Francais:lol....t'a derniere phrase je ne comprend pas
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Post by: straffo on July 15, 2004, 05:58:40 PM
il est 1 heure du matin je suis plus tres frais :)


(jai édité mon post :))
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 06:01:48 PM
Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
so slow.... do you really believe that metavoss has hired 57 more emplyees in his 3 bussines's this year?   How bout...

do you really believe that ht in concert with some unscrupulous TAS beta testers.... stole all the hard work voss had done and now... AH is simply voss's TAS and HT did nothing?

How bout voss playing on a 70" screen that doesn't exist?   His lies continue to this day.  

The man is one tiny little certifiable nutbag..    Guess the fact that he lives on line and racks up points for you guys cuts a lot of BS huh?

lazs


1 time only Laz...just 1.

what Meta does outside the game is of no concern too me....don't forget the word GAME

Dale coulda stole his ideas from space aliens and its still no concern too me....don't forget the word GAME

70's screen...now that really doesn't concern me...but DAMN that would be fun playin the GAME on a 70 inch screen

now the last one is beyond me.....you're just interested in bashing
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Post by: Grimm on July 15, 2004, 06:01:48 PM
Oh no.. Now you have done it!  

They are speaking in tongues!
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 06:02:11 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
sure I attacked my own squad...your starting to sound funny....you know the straight jacket kinda funny :p


You just don't get it, do ya, Jethro? YOU making the huge deal about defending Voss by saying stupid things like "It's a matter of perception. People giving him their money were stupid. I haven't given him any money and he's my friend and my squadmate, therefor Voss is good. Everyone else is a sucker!" Is what's giving people the PERCEPTION that the Hornet squadron is filled with bad eggs. And you blaming everyone else, including HT, just sounds like a Voss handpuppet.

Now blame me, too, for your stupidity. :D :aok
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 06:04:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Grimm
Oh no.. Now you have done it!  

They are speaking in tongues!


yes Freedom Tongues:D
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Post by: Citabria on July 15, 2004, 06:04:19 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
Pongo....you make too much sense....shut up


If your stupid enough to send someone money without checking there backgrounds....you deserve that big L(loser) on your forehead....

as for Fester....your an attention seeker young man....always coming back to the same ol'song and dance.

try and be creative for once....change your tune.

the 418 Hornets belongs to Busher.....

any of you prettythangwipes say anything about the 418...your talking about Busher

and that in my book is a no touch subject.....wanna whine about Voss or Meta....go right ahead

touch Busher....and I'll personnelly piss in your cornflakes


Quote
Originally posted by SLO
your a jealous person Zazen....

twice now you posted that thread....completely out of context too

and yes whels does have a very big ego....

and yes so does Meta....and Hammy has gotten alot better

like I make personel threats to go to your home and piss in your cornflakes(read between the lines dumbprettythang)....

all I have to do is get Skuzzified and bye bye thread


Quote
Originally posted by SLO
thats cause your 2 slow in your comprehension level....


Quote
Originally posted by SLO
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
Out of context? It was a direct reply to your threatening a BBS member if he talked badly about a Hornet. All the while you yourself are on record as doing just that!

That's "IN" CONTEXT!

Nice try though, keep trying!:aok


Zazen
[/QUOTE


twice you fruit cake...that in my book is jealousy.

and WTF are you doin bringing up old post writtin 2 years ago....you got a serious case of wannabe [/B]


Quote
Originally posted by SLO
Zazen 99% of your posts are always negative.....

your fishing in the wrong pond my wannabe friend...

If only you could handle a plane like you do your mouth you would be one of the best fighters in this game....

enough....your just not worth it
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Post by: Citabria on July 15, 2004, 06:06:43 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
and again you post like an ass....now that is to be expected coming from you....

and you to are welcome to come up here.....just leave your guns behind....no dogs running around loose here.




the whole thread is full of posts like this from you.
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Post by: JB73 on July 15, 2004, 06:10:15 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Is this the largest thread ever?
no i dont think so...

the "who are you" with pictures had 900 posts IIRC.

srarch wont find it for me though
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 06:11:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
You just don't get it, do ya, Jethro? YOU making the huge deal about defending Voss by saying stupid things like "It's a matter of perception. People giving him their money were stupid. I haven't given him any money and he's my friend and my squadmate, therefor Voss is good. Everyone else is a sucker!" Is what's giving people the PERCEPTION that the Hornet squadron is filled with bad eggs. And you blaming everyone else, including HT, just sounds like a Voss handpuppet.

Now blame me, too, for your stupidity. :D :aok


wrong my wannabe Fester puppet...

I'm friendly too everyone in the squad....and don't YOU think its stupid for some1 too send money over the Internet to some1 you hardly know.....

UNTIL he proves to me otherwise(Meta that is)....I'll be the judge...not you....not Dale...and certainly not the fruitcakes on this here board.

and once again....I'm not here to defend Meta....but the squad(which is why I wanted DALE to explain himself which HE HIMSELF said the squad got caught in this)....go back and read
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Post by: lazs2 on July 15, 2004, 06:12:13 PM
well... I think slo should be banned for the simple fact that I used to like cornflakes but have been turned off of em by his threats to my breakfast cereal.

lazs
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Post by: VOR on July 15, 2004, 06:12:19 PM
I've always thought ENRON got a bad deal. I mean, they never duped ME out of any money, and well, the people that they DID dupe were just a bunch of idiots who had it coming.
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Post by: JB73 on July 15, 2004, 06:13:39 PM
Quote
Originally posted by JB73
no i dont think so...

the "who are you" with pictures had 900 posts IIRC.

srarch wont find it for me though
oops i stand corrected.. who are you? (pics) WAS the biggest with 720.. this is now officially the longest thread.
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Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 06:13:44 PM
Here ya go lazs2



(http://noodles.neopages.net/images/humor/l33t_cereal.gif)
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 06:13:47 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
the whole thread is full of posts like this from you.


still doesn't explain your pawn comment
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 06:17:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by VOR
I've always thought ENRON got a bad deal. I mean, they never duped ME out of any money, and well, the people that they DID dupe were just a bunch of idiots who had it coming.



glass of water and an ocean are 2 different things....wouldn't you agree
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 06:17:35 PM
Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
well... I think slo should be banned for the simple fact that I used to like cornflakes but have been turned off of em by his threats to my breakfast cereal.

lazs


:D
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Post by: Pongo on July 15, 2004, 06:18:28 PM
No reply eh SLO.
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 06:18:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO

and once again....I'm not here to defend Meta....but the squad(which is why I wanted DALE to explain himself which HE HIMSELF said the squad got caught in this)....go back and read


BS .... you've done more harm to your squad in this thread than even Meta at this point. I'm sure it's appreciated by your squadies. ;)
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Post by: Citabria on July 15, 2004, 06:18:56 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
still doesn't explain your pawn comment


you will never understand it.
yet everyone else who has seen what you posted does.
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Post by: VOR on July 15, 2004, 06:19:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
glass of water and an ocean are 2 different things....wouldn't you agree


Only in terms of quantity. Water is still water.
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Post by: Habu on July 15, 2004, 06:22:09 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
oh and BTW Fester....I don't need Voss to tell me your an Idiot....I've known that for a long time now


You calling someone an idiot is like toliet bowl of wet beer diarrhea telling a glass of water it smells.
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Post by: Citabria on July 15, 2004, 06:28:45 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
still doesn't explain your pawn comment


Main Entry: 1pawn
Pronunciation: 'pon, 'pän
Function: noun
1 : one of the chessmen of least value having the power to move only forward ordinarily one square at a time
2 : one that can be used to further the purposes of another  

Quote
Originally posted by SLO

all I have to do is get Skuzzified and bye bye thread



but you still do not get it. and you never will.
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Post by: storch on July 15, 2004, 06:36:06 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AWBrat
(cracks knuckles)

Sorry I'm late! I see we've already broke ground and are bulldozing all the crap back to whence it came...

/wave HT

Hi Voss...remember ME? Shall we continue where we left off from the last war of words...or would you like save yourself the time and pain, tuck tail and run...AGAIN!

I'm admittedly a little rusty...and after so many years now, it's become a bit more difficult to hunt down the petrified craptastic quotes from you that infested the flightsim community like crabs on an unwashed hooker...but I'll give it a go if you wish...

I guess you could always resort to "I don't remember you, I have no idea who you are." again...for like the 4th time actually...and always after you manage to resurface and I push you back down like the floating **** you are...

+Brat



OOOOH good start *starts popping corn sends mama to costco for a few cases of Becks*  Please don't be deterred carry on.
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Post by: Morpheus on July 15, 2004, 06:41:37 PM
I have just one question.

Where do I pick up my copy of Cliff Notes for "The VOSS CONSPIRACY Thread"?
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Post by: Sikboy on July 15, 2004, 06:44:12 PM
Quote
Originally posted by straffo
Actually concernig this thread Slo was not completly wrong.

And later Toulon prooved the french navy had more honor than the british governement.
(take note I'm not speaking of the Royal Navy)



Straffo,

I agree wholeheartedly, and I think my posts and paper showed that. Where SLOwit shows his ignorance/stupidity is with the notion that someing is true simply because he says it is. That might work well with the other fry jokeys at the local Burger King, but doesn't really stand up in the light of day.

SLO does have a point, especially WRT Mers El Kabir: I AM only interested in the truth.

All he's got is a pocketfull of weak smack and a ton of denial.

-Sik
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Post by: Lizking on July 15, 2004, 06:44:28 PM
and don't YOU think its stupid for some1 too send money over the Internet to some1 you hardly know

You really don't get it do you?  This ultra melon stole time, money and respect from those to whom he had befriended in an online community.  They knew him as well or better than you claim to, yet you call them suckers, and can not see the big sucking form of your own lips.  He is currently using the Hornets as a cover, and laughing at how they protect him.

You really are a bit slow.
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Post by: Sikboy on July 15, 2004, 06:46:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO

pas grave mon pote....je vais canceller mon compte avec HTC....Il m'a montre ca veritable penser sur le sujet....ces un wannabe tous comme les autre....typique....pis c'est pas moi qui va payer pour son gaz d'avion...un client de plus ou un de moin....il sent fous


Awww. don't leave cupcake, I'll miss you so.
:p

-Sik
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Post by: midnight Target on July 15, 2004, 06:48:13 PM
You know there really are a ton of cool nicknames that can start with 'SLO'.

Lets see how many we can think of and get this puppy to 1000!!
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Post by: AWBrat on July 15, 2004, 06:48:26 PM
If you were to cover up all the names and mention of Voss in this thread...I could still pick out the blubbering idiots that would come to his defense simply based on their blind stupidity...

Slo...you easily fit the bill of the type of person that this ultra melon would surround himself with. Voss is the type of person that reaches towards anyone he can find that has an IQ lower than his (think Mr Potatoe Head here) and attaches to them like a leech. Sucking out what little intelligence they have and filling them with vitriol garbage and lies. What did he promise you? A ride on his pony? A picture of you doing a "thumbs up" on the splash page of his next successful online flightsim (slated to be released in summer of 2902).

If he was a convicted murderer and child pornographer and people found out he was here and came to these boards to let everyone know...would you still stand up for him by saying "well, he never raped my child or killed anyone in my family...so until he does, he's my bestest friend in the whole wide internet!!!"

Go download a clue brother...the reason people are attacking your virtual squadron is because of your virtual stupidity in this thread...you're like a meteor of ignorance orbiting a fat bloated planet of bull**** and trying to tell us it smells like roses.

As much as you THINK you know Voss...most of the people here know him much better than you...as they felt the same way about him that you do at one point...and now you're pissed off at THEM because they're trying to warn YOU not to fall for it.

Hell...even if Voss hadn't made his appearance here...I'd still have the same opinion of you and your squad simply based on what a completely self absorbed moron you are...

If I was in your squad...at this point...I'd be more worried about what people think about you then I would about what they think of Voss...



Come on Jay...I'm still here waiting for ya...
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Post by: -MZ- on July 15, 2004, 06:48:34 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO

UNTIL he proves to me otherwise(Meta that is)....I'll be the judge...not you....not Dale...and certainly not the fruitcakes on this here board.
 


So you REALLY thinks he owns a company with 80 employees or whatever?   Face it - the guy is a liar, and a person's word is all we have to go on in this medium.
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 15, 2004, 06:50:33 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Lizking
and don't YOU think its stupid for some1 too send money over the Internet to some1 you hardly know

You really don't get it do you?  This ultra melon stole time, money and respect from those to whom he had befriended in an online community.  They knew him as well or better than you claim to, yet you call them suckers, and can not see the big sucking form of your own lips.  He is currently using the Hornets as a cover, and laughing at how they protect him.

You really are a bit slow.

  I think the term you are looking for is "punked out" . :D
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Post by: storch on July 15, 2004, 06:51:47 PM
Quote
Originally posted by straffo
Une petite derniere avant d'aller au lit :)

Je pense que tu te monte le bourrichon, je ne crois pas que cela merite autre chose que de laisser ce post être oublié.

Même si il resurgira tot ou tard ... ils ont bonne mémoire ici :)

Je pense personellement que tu devrais prendre sur toi et laisser ce thread mourir.

Reconnais quand même que Voss à l'air d'être un personnage peu fréquentable mais je comprend que tu défende bec et ongle un squadie c'est très honorable.

Mais cela ne doit pas te faire oublier que en fesant cela tu peux agir à l'encontre de ton squad et lui faire du tord.

Je tre repete laisse tomber cette histoire et amuse toi dans AH :)

@+ je vais me pieuter :)


d'accord
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 15, 2004, 06:52:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
....je vais canceller mon compte avec HTC....Il m'a montre ca veritable penser sur le sujet....ces un wannabe tous comme les autre....typique....pis c'est pas moi qui va payer pour son gaz d'avion...un client de plus ou un de moin....il sent fous


A true Artist... He wrote his most candid comments in French.
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Post by: Morpheus on July 15, 2004, 06:52:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AWBrat
If you were to cover up all the names and mention of Voss in this thread...I could still pick out the blubbering idiots that would come to his defense simply based on their blind stupidity...

Slo...you easily fit the bill of the type of person that this ultra melon would surround himself with. Voss is the type of person that reaches towards anyone he can find that has an IQ lower than his (think Mr Potatoe Head here) and attaches to them like a leech. Sucking out what little intelligence they have and filling them with vitriol garbage and lies. What did he promise you? A ride on his pony? A picture of you doing a "thumbs up" on the splash page of his next successful online flightsim (slated to be released in summer of 2902).

If he was a convicted murderer and child pornographer and people found out he was here and came to these boards to let everyone know...would you still stand up for him by saying "well, he never raped my child or killed anyone in my family...so until he does, he's my bestest friend in the whole wide internet!!!"

Go download a clue brother...the reason people are attacking your virtual squadron is because of your virtual stupidity in this thread...you're like a meteor of ignorance orbiting a fat bloated planet of bull**** and trying to tell us it smells like roses.

As much as you THINK you know Voss...most of the people here know him much better than you...as they felt the same way about him that you do at one point...and now you're pissed off at THEM because they're trying to warn YOU not to fall for it.

Hell...even if Voss hadn't made his appearance here...I'd still have the same opinion of you and your squad simply based on what a completely self absorbed moron you are...

If I was in your squad...at this point...I'd be more worried about what people think about you then I would about what they think of Voss...



Come on Jay...I'm still here waiting for ya...




hehehe nice!

LOL this is good stuff here!:D
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Post by: Sikboy on July 15, 2004, 06:53:37 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
yes Freedom Tongues:D


Lol, now that was funny.

No, Seriously, that was funny.

-Sik
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Post by: Citabria on July 15, 2004, 06:55:09 PM
ROFLMAO AWbrat

I'm getting some popcorn for this.
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Post by: Lizking on July 15, 2004, 06:55:36 PM
No, Jackal, being Punked involves an admission of truth at the end so the person being punked knows he was screwed.  Voss can not make such an admission, directly, because then he WILL be liable in a legal sense.  As is, he is free to allude, besmirch and continue his lies, because of idiots like slo, more concerned with their game-rank than with associating with salamanders.
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Post by: Citabria on July 15, 2004, 06:59:22 PM
AWbrat you seem to have some history with voss bullsht you gotta spill it im dying to hear the story.

(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/Voss_story.jpg)
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Post by: RedTop on July 15, 2004, 07:00:03 PM
Hits pause button.....

I just got back from Wendy's with My triple w/Cheese..Biggie Fry..and Biggie Dr. Pepper...  

Im now back at my desk at work eating........Continue:lol

Pushes Play
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Post by: storch on July 15, 2004, 07:03:13 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AWBrat
If you were to cover up all the names and mention of Voss in this thread...I could still pick out the blubbering idiots that would come to his defense simply based on their blind stupidity...

Slo...you easily fit the bill of the type of person that this ultra melon would surround himself with. Voss is the type of person that reaches towards anyone he can find that has an IQ lower than his (think Mr Potatoe Head here) and attaches to them like a leech. Sucking out what little intelligence they have and filling them with vitriol garbage and lies. What did he promise you? A ride on his pony? A picture of you doing a "thumbs up" on the splash page of his next successful online flightsim (slated to be released in summer of 2902).

If he was a convicted murderer and child pornographer and people found out he was here and came to these boards to let everyone know...would you still stand up for him by saying "well, he never raped my child or killed anyone in my family...so until he does, he's my bestest friend in the whole wide internet!!!"

Go download a clue brother...the reason people are attacking your virtual squadron is because of your virtual stupidity in this thread...you're like a meteor of ignorance orbiting a fat bloated planet of bull**** and trying to tell us it smells like roses.

As much as you THINK you know Voss...most of the people here know him much better than you...as they felt the same way about him that you do at one point...and now you're pissed off at THEM because they're trying to warn YOU not to fall for it.

Hell...even if Voss hadn't made his appearance here...I'd still have the same opinion of you and your squad simply based on what a completely self absorbed moron you are...

If I was in your squad...at this point...I'd be more worried about what people think about you then I would about what they think of Voss...



Come on Jay...I'm still here waiting for ya...


That's some funny stuff there roll on Brat roll on
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Post by: Westy on July 15, 2004, 07:03:48 PM
"you're like a meteor of ignorance orbiting a fat bloated planet of bull**** and trying to tell us it smells like roses."

I'm literally rolling here :)    


[edited: HiTech said it best :)  ]
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 15, 2004, 07:03:49 PM
( In reply to Lizking. The damn thread moving too fast to get a reply in without a quote. lmao)
No, I was using the term"punked out". It has an all together different meaning than "punked" if you get my drift, but your doing quite well. Carry on.
VOSS might be willing to admit some guilt if he could figure out a way to blame one of his many personalities.
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Post by: Lizking on July 15, 2004, 07:06:18 PM
When your whole life is a lie, you can never admit to any part of  it, else you are lost.  That is why it is a losing proposition to lie small, much less big like Voss or Bobn.
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Post by: hitech on July 15, 2004, 07:06:21 PM
AWBrat's writeing reminds me of DokGonzo.


HiTech
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 07:06:30 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
BS .... you've done more harm to your squad in this thread than even Meta at this point. I'm sure it's appreciated by your squadies. ;)


Thats between me and them.....and they don't have far to go to find me
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 07:08:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
Thats between me and them.....and they don't have far to go to find me


All they have to do is look between MetaVoss's legs. :D
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Post by: Lizking on July 15, 2004, 07:10:38 PM
I have always benn of the understanding that if you make a statement, then it is up to you to prove it.

I have seen the following in Voss's own posts, so let's see a little proof:

The name of his currently bustling business, that is adding employees at a startling rate.

That is current, posted on this board, today.  Prove that statement, and I for one will go away, regardless of all his other lies.
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 07:17:04 PM
eaiting...gimme a few.

so many replies to do....hard work man

Pongo...relax...wait your turn

this brat wannabe Fester puppet 1st :D
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 15, 2004, 07:23:43 PM
OMG! OMG! OMG This stuff is GREEEEAT!
Slo man friggin duck buddy!
after the first comment on why the Hornets let this scumbag in the squade nothin more woulda been said about you guys. Most of the Hornets are well respected and stand-up guys. Wasnt until a "few" others started getting mouthy in here and in 2 other threads that "THEY" were bashed on. NOT the Hornets as a whole. Your starting to look like your having a Mr.Black style meltdown here and I really hate to see that








ps yall dont mind iffen I use your handles in my book do ya?
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Post by: Raubvogel on July 15, 2004, 07:24:40 PM
damn...a month without intardnet access and I almost missed this....
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Post by: stiehl on July 15, 2004, 07:25:17 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Westy
"you're like a meteor of ignorance orbiting a fat bloated planet of bull**** and trying to tell us it smells like roses."

I'm literally rolling here :)    That's some fine Bratitude you're beaning him with ;)


Don't forget "Go download a clue.."
 Good stuff.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 15, 2004, 07:27:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
problem is Dale they did...and you did nothing too stop it.....you actually encouraged it.

the thread was about 1 person....not a squad.

thx for showing your true colors.


Come to the defense of the indefensable, and you will suffer the same fate as he, it's really that simple. You knew what you were doing, and I'll wager great money you've known Voss = Metatron for a looooooong time. You, Ripsnort and Hammy are not like some innocents caught in the preverbial crapstorm. You are getting what you deserve, and the potatonets are getting sucked down with you. You did this to the potatonets not us. You could have let Voss get what he deserved and let it be, like some in your squadron, but you couldn't do that, so you will suffer the fallout from that decision.

Zazen
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Post by: Scrap on July 15, 2004, 07:27:36 PM
Whew! Finally caught up!  ... well where is this going next?

Gentlemen,

Bring on the Dancing Horses!
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 15, 2004, 07:28:45 PM
Now there's a game!

(http://home.neo.rr.com/svea/Voss2.gif)

(http://home.neo.rr.com/svea/gamepieces2.gif)

Play with a single die.  You can't lose!

eskimo
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Post by: Nash on July 15, 2004, 07:29:28 PM
YEAH BABY SWEET!
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 15, 2004, 07:30:09 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
the irony of slo being the victim of voss' defense and looking to ht for sympathy while proclaming that the victims of voss' treachery are to blame themselves for being idiots... and all the while slo is another voss victim...


lol


The hypocracy of the potatonets knows no bounds! These guys actually crack me up! :rofl

Zazen
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Post by: VOR on July 15, 2004, 07:30:53 PM
Excellent Eskimo! :D :rofl
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Post by: Scrap on July 15, 2004, 07:33:38 PM
Wow Eskimo! Couldn't have been timed any better!!!! WTG bro!



Now I'm off to the MA.  With all you good sticks drooling over this thread, someone has to keep the JBs from becoming #1.  

:eek:

j/k kidding guys JBs ur all a fun bunch and wonderful pilots IMHO.  :aok
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 07:34:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
Come to the defnese of the indefensable, and you will suffer the same fate as he, it's really that simple. You knew what you were doing, and I'll wager great money you've known Voss = Metatron for a looooooong time. You, Ripsnort and Hammy are not like some innocents caught in the preverbial crapstorm. You are getting what you deserve, and the potatonets are getting sucked down with you. You did this to the potatonets not us. You could have let Voss get what he deserved and let it be, like some in your squadron but you couldn't do that, so you will suffer the fallout from that decision.

Zazen


like I'm supposed to be scared about an online persona....

sorry willcard but the more the merrier....never ran from a fight never will...

I know 1 thing though....Fester will gloat about this for a long time too come....attention seeker got his attention....sounds like a Voss wannabe...don't you think Fester

you're as bad if not worst little man....you just took another path to get attention....

I see said the blind man:aok
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 15, 2004, 07:36:36 PM
Wow TAS is finally released!!!!
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Post by: Lizking on July 15, 2004, 07:40:47 PM
You guys are still giving the Hornets the attributes of a few individuals.  Until the acting CO comes on and personally defends Voss, you should direct your spew at posters, not squadrons.  And I know I slipped back a page or too, but it was wrong.  Slo, et al are speaking for themselves, not the Hornets, we have to presume.
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Post by: Nash on July 15, 2004, 07:43:10 PM
Thing about the Hornets and SLO et al....

In a year, a variation of this thread will again arise.

Nobody will remember it had any connection to a squad called the Hornets or a guy called SLO.

Just Voss.

So The Hornets need not worry about their reputation.

And they should also probably not waste their breath.
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Post by: Grimm on July 15, 2004, 07:46:01 PM
Quote
Originally posted by eskimo2
Now there's a game!

 You can't lose!

eskimo


OMG!   Thats too cool.   Eskimo your the Greatest!
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 07:46:02 PM
Speaking of generalities .... I only see two that can be singled out as making this a "Hornet" issue at this point:

Slo and Zaz.
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Post by: Nash on July 15, 2004, 07:47:08 PM
zactly Arlo.

More harm than good.
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Post by: Lizking on July 15, 2004, 07:50:32 PM
So, we have determined that Voss is still an alleged(!) liar, and several other gentlemen (or ladies, as the case may be), are willing to defend him.  No proof of anything other than random electrons, so I guess we need to just pad it out to 1,000 and let it die for 6 months?
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Post by: Nash on July 15, 2004, 07:54:22 PM
Someone oughta just turn this entire thing into a PDF and post the damn thing every year or so.

The only thing that ever changes are the defender's names.
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Post by: storch on July 15, 2004, 07:55:02 PM
Quote
Originally posted by eskimo2
Now there's a game!

(http://home.neo.rr.com/svea/Voss2.gif)

(http://home.neo.rr.com/svea/gamepieces2.gif)

Play with a single die.  You can't lose!

eskimo


Dude you have way too much time on your hands!! funny stuff.
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Post by: One0One on July 15, 2004, 07:56:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Wow TAS is finally released!!!!


Thats to funny. :rofl :rofl
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 07:56:59 PM
here...no more Hornets.

now its me against you 150 Fester wannabe's....

back in 5....work calls
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Post by: Nash on July 15, 2004, 07:58:11 PM
but it aint about you SLO...
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 07:58:28 PM
No ... it's proven that Voss is an actual liar as well as a conman and MetaTron admitted he was Voss. MetaVoss isn't remorseful. Slo thinks Voss is worth defending. A few others did as well but I think they wised up. A MAJORITY of this community think otherwise .... to the point of roasting his alleged nads in public. As well as anyone else's who's dumb enough to get in the way. Yeah ... it'll probably happen again. And don't say it like it's a bad thing. ;)
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Post by: VOR on July 15, 2004, 07:58:54 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
now its me against you 150 Fester wannabe's....


(http://similarminds.com/images/leader/4.jpg)
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Post by: Overlag on July 15, 2004, 07:59:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by ghostdancer
Oh, I misunderstood then .. I thought Overlag was speaking for himself saying that he (Overlag) thought it was okay because they were stupid and thus deserved to be scammed.


thats what i ment, i dont agree with scammers but if someone is so THICK to send money to someone over the net with no real proof of it, they deserve to get stung.

From what ive been told most of the **** posted here is aload of rubbish about Voss/meta. And why is it brining hornets into it?


Quote
Originally posted by ghostdancer

If he was actually talking about how Voss justified doing what he did in his own mind (Voss's Mind), I take back any sarcasm or scorn in my writing toward Overlag.

I actually agree that Voss probably thought what he was doing was justified (twisted it around and is still doing so) in his mind so that he is blameless and that the other people are the one's who deserved it or actually are the one's who caused it.

Very typical thing in human nature is that nobody percieves themselves to be a bad person or to be doing immoral actions. And that they find a point of view or perspective that justifies their actions to themselves. [/B]


Nope, not justified at all, but what did HE do? no one has any proof, its just "well this guy said voss did this" or "oh i heard about this guy getting scammed by another guy called voss" bah bah bah, theres no proof, no nothing.

If it really did happen, why didnt you lot of whining babies get the police or whatever into it?

From what ive heard from "our side" is that he was part of a group of people, he didnt take any money from it, he infact lost money/time from it. But again, this is more rumour, no prove and i really cant care about something that supposed to have happend like 5 years ago.
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 08:00:15 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Lizking
So, we have determined that Voss is still an alleged(!) liar, and several other gentlemen (or ladies, as the case may be), are willing to defend him.  No proof of anything other than random electrons, so I guess we need to just pad it out to 1,000 and let it die for 6 months?


read again....until he does something too me I will not follow YOUR lead.

I'm not a Fester wannabe follower.....I judge people by my own merits...not yours :aok
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Post by: Citabria on July 15, 2004, 08:02:14 PM
lol classic eskimo
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Post by: Lizking on July 15, 2004, 08:03:30 PM
Good for you, Slo!
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Post by: Sandman on July 15, 2004, 08:03:59 PM
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/632_1089859623_tas.jpg)
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 08:04:27 PM
come now...only 205 posts to go
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 15, 2004, 08:05:51 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Overlag


Nope, not justified at all, but what did HE do? no one has any proof, its just "well this guy said voss did this" or "oh i heard about this guy getting scammed by another guy called voss" bah bah bah, theres no proof, no nothing.

 


Over , have you not read his interviews and his communications where HE is perpetuating the scam?
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Post by: Citabria on July 15, 2004, 08:07:01 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sandman
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/632_1089859623_tas.jpg)


ROFLMAO
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 08:08:12 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
I'm not a Fester wannabe follower.....I judge people by my own merits...not yours :aok


Wouldn't it be better to judge them by their's? Or is it one and the same meaning in this case? :D
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Post by: Drunky on July 15, 2004, 08:08:22 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
sounds like a Voss wannabe


I know you are SLO but to make this statement is extremely obtuse.
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Post by: Morpheus on July 15, 2004, 08:08:35 PM
lol its getting closer!;)
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 15, 2004, 08:08:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sandman
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/632_1089859623_tas.jpg)


Oh man, that's a good one!

Proof!  Voss was right all along!

eskimo
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 15, 2004, 08:08:47 PM
Damn
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Post by: Drunky on July 15, 2004, 08:11:13 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
now its me against you 150 Fester wannabe's....


LOL, now we are Fester wannabe's.

Awww, did SLO learn a new word?  Look at the little boy use his new word.  Isn't it cute?
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 08:15:11 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
Wouldn't it be better to judge them by their's? Or is it one and the same meaning in this case? :D


nah....following Dale's lead of bein hooked on phonics:eek:
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 15, 2004, 08:17:24 PM
SLO didnt you have some sort of insect avatar?
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Post by: flyingaround on July 15, 2004, 08:17:59 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
I see said the blind man:aok


"you're a liar" sad the deaf mute.
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 08:18:26 PM
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/ThanksSlo.jpg)
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Post by: Drex on July 15, 2004, 08:19:53 PM
Well at least I got to see some old friends on here.  Heya  Smut and Redd.

Voss didn't lie about leviathn sucking.

Drex
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Post by: Estes on July 15, 2004, 08:20:15 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
SLO didnt you have some sort of insect avatar?


lol he took away all his squad affiliation from his BB name.  :rofl
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Post by: Lizking on July 15, 2004, 08:20:34 PM
Just so you guys will know-I have a flyable Kate.  Here is a pic of me in it, as I attack Pearl Harbor:

(http://www.lizking.com/profile.jpg)

At the time, I was undercover for the CIA(not the real CIA, but the supersecret organisation that came before it.  All records have been expunged for national security reasons, of course).  

Needless to say, I dropped my bombs on one "our" mini-subs, sinking it before it could sink one of our battleships.  Still undercover, I was later able to break and send the Japanese codes, so you could say I was directly responsible for the US defeat over Japan.

I would love to provide more information and proof, but a damned rabid bat just flew into the secret super-computer center, biting me on my philtrum.  If I live, I will post more pictures soon.  Until then, feel free to send donations to assisst in the restoration of Amelia's plane.  After I rescued her, she was all too willing to donate her beat-up plane to my secret musem.
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Post by: SOB on July 15, 2004, 08:22:12 PM
Wow, this could actually get to 1000.
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Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on July 15, 2004, 08:23:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Overlag
From what ive been told most of the **** posted here is aload of rubbish about Voss/meta.


By who? Voss?

I was there at the time - I even sent in an email asking to be part of the beta, very little of this is inaccurate except there may not have been any monetary contributions.
-SW
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 08:25:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
SLO didnt you have some sort of insect avatar?


yup....was a Hornet....they are too nice for me to continue like this....make fun of me is ok....but I made the mistake of representing the Hornets....my bad

too my follow Hornets....sorry
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Post by: Red Tail 444 on July 15, 2004, 08:26:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
lol VOSS headhunters have picked up his trail and are closing in for the kill.


How many times can one person be killed?
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 08:26:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Drunky
LOL, now we are Fester wannabe's.

Awww, did SLO learn a new word?  Look at the little boy use his new word.  Isn't it cute?


try this 1 you FAT DUMB BASTARD....

FOLLOWER
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 08:28:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/ThanksSlo.jpg)


hope you notice he's wearing your famous military uniform...did you guys finally accept the gay boys
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 15, 2004, 08:29:19 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
yup....was a Hornet....they are too nice for me to continue like this....make fun of me is ok....but I made the mistake of representing the Hornets....my bad

too my follow Hornets....sorry




IMO Just kick Voss out of the squad, hes an unrepentant loon and has a really bad and recurring history in the flight sim community.  No reason for a whole group of people to be tainted by that nut, because he will never stop making trouble for himself or those associated with him.
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Post by: Drunky on July 15, 2004, 08:29:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
try this 1 you FAT DUMB BASTARD....

FOLLOWER


It's Fat DRUNK Bastard, you hoser.

Remember, tomorrow morning I'll be sober and you will still be pretty damn stupid.

[edit]

Wait, follower?  I thought we were wannabes.
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Post by: Drifter1234 on July 15, 2004, 08:29:51 PM
Eskimo,

Greatest game ever printed.

Way to funny Eskimo  

mucho
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Post by: Sikboy on July 15, 2004, 08:29:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
hope you notice he's wearing your famous military uniform...did you guys finally accept the gay boys


Of course he's wearing a military uniform, the guy's a war hero

-Sik
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Post by: Nash on July 15, 2004, 08:30:35 PM
SLO.... Am I to understand that Voss is still in the Hornets and you are out?

Not sayin' anything.... It's just an interesting turn of events is all...
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 08:31:42 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Drunky
It's Fat DRUNK Bastard, you hoser.

Remember, tomorrow morning I'll be sober and you will still be pretty damn stupid.


recipricated....

and its still Fat Dumb Bastard too me
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 15, 2004, 08:31:56 PM
Yea SLO I know u and I fight on this BBS a lot but I dont think its right that you let Voss lunatic behavior drive you away from your squad buddies.
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 08:34:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Nash
SLO.... Am I to understand that Voss is still in the Hornets and you are out?

Not sayin' anything.... It's just an interesting turn of events is all...



what happens is when I talk people will see Hornets and not me....they think I speak for the rest of the squad...which I don't

I have too much respect for Busher too keep this going....guess I will have too apologize to my Friend before this is over.
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Post by: Drunky on July 15, 2004, 08:36:48 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
recipricated....

and its still Fat Dumb Bastard too me


Wow.  I'm having flashbacks of arguing with Mr. Black again.

Your amazing intellectual capacity for witty banter amazes me.  How do you come up with these quips?

Do you stay up all night thinking up your comebacks or do you have ghost writers to supply you with these cerebrial gems?
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Post by: Nash on July 15, 2004, 08:37:06 PM
I guess I'm just a bit confused about what's in it for you.

Like... it looks like you've lost some. But, what's there to be gained, ultimately?
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Post by: Sandman on July 15, 2004, 08:37:26 PM
I often censor my opinions as well, just in case someone might think poorly of Nash...

:aok
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 08:38:12 PM
So you'd rather ditch the squad than MetaVoss?

You .... chose .... poorly. :cool:
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Post by: Lizking on July 15, 2004, 08:38:13 PM
Well, it is not a bad policy to wear no colors if you like to argue.  I never have, because I speak from my own ignorance, not as a representative of a group.
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 08:38:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yea SLO I know u and I fight on this BBS a lot but I dont think its right that you let Voss lunatic behavior drive you away from your squad buddies.


can't grun....Meta hasn't done anything wrong since being in the squad....I cannot and will not judge him by his past actions...and I'm only the XO not CO(thats for Busher to decide who's in and out)

its a pisser I know....but I believe till some1 does wrong by me I have no right to judge em.

hmm hope you can understand what I'm tryin to say
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Post by: Nash on July 15, 2004, 08:38:19 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sandman
I often censor my opinions as well, just in case someone might think poorly of Nash...

:aok


Shaddup studmuffin!
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 08:39:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
hope you notice he's wearing your famous military uniform...did you guys finally accept the gay boys


Not my uniform, Jethrine. :D
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 08:40:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Drunky
Wow.  I'm having flashbacks of arguing with Mr. Black again.

Your amazing intellectual capacity for witty banter amazes me.  How do you come up with these quips?

Do you stay up all night thinking up your comebacks or do you have ghost writers to supply you with these cerebrial gems?


nah I do it in between Trades and my back ups that keep fuggin up...

and whats your level of intelligence....
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Post by: Sandman on July 15, 2004, 08:40:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Nash
Shaddup studmuffin!


LOL.
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Post by: Lizking on July 15, 2004, 08:42:29 PM
Watch it, slo, he's got a tank!
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 08:44:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Lizking
Well, it is not a bad policy to wear no colors if you like to argue.  I never have, because I speak from my own ignorance, not as a representative of a group.


that was my mistake
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 08:45:20 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
So you'd rather ditch the squad than MetaVoss?

You .... chose .... poorly. :cool:


I didn't ditch anything....
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Post by: Brat on July 15, 2004, 08:49:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by hitech
AWBrat's writeing reminds me of DokGonzo.


HiTech


Ahhhhh...much better. Dusted off the old account, can't believe I remembered the password. No HT...I'm not DoK...but I still keep a copy of his bible on my bookshelf (printed and bound). Can't believe you don't remember me as we've gone round and round a few times pre AH. I've been called the second coming of DoK, but that's seriously reaching. He was and always will be the king of words in my eyes (as well as most).

Quote
Originally posted by SLO
eaiting...gimme a few.

so many replies to do....hard work man

Pongo...relax...wait your turn

this brat wannabe Fester puppet 1st :D


Hrmmm...thought I was first...did I miss something? Or were those muffled gutteral sounds I heard coming out of Voss's rectum from you?

Eskimo...holy mother of God that is sooooooooooo saved, printed and framed...

Now the dirt...I was one of the late comers into being invited to beta test that vaporware piece of **** known as TAS...Mr. Voss offerered me a beta position if I'd pay him money to help cover costs of production.

I also at the time sent him my resume because I was a Q&A specialist that worked for a company that handled the licensing agreements between publishers and distributors or game software...I actually BETA tested Airwarrior briefly before it was released (little known fact - company name was Strategic Alliance Partners for anyone interested in doing a background check, was a static test and was never online, but I was hooked right away).

Voss emailed me back asking me questions about investing and stock options and basically extending his con to include trying to employ me for free on a basis of getting paid when the game was released. That was the last I heard from him, I never bothered to reply.

I warned people about him and told everyone he was full of ****, some people listened, others paid me no heed. I spent a full 2 and half months screaming "I TOLD YOU SO" when the bomb finally dropped and the excuses ran rampant.

Anyways...LOT of familiar faces here. Too many to list...so I'll just say "heya guys...long time no see" and leave it at that...

SLO...allow me to beat my own drum for a second here. You do NOT want to start in with me....I understand you don't know who I am, as you're still a puppy as far as online sims go and especially what goes on in the communities...so before you open monosyllabic rathole you call a mouth, you may want to research who you're about to get virtually *****slapped back into DOS by...

Can I get an "amen?"

Geeezuz...that board game...too much...rofl...
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Post by: Nash on July 15, 2004, 08:49:32 PM
fired?
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Post by: straffo on July 15, 2004, 08:50:30 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yea SLO I know u and I fight on this BBS a lot but I dont think its right that you let Voss lunatic behavior drive you away from your squad buddies.


Je pense que GRUN à parfaitement raison.

bon maintenant  tu laisse tomber cette triste histoire ?

J'en reviens pas ... je me suis reveillé à cause de cette connerie ...:eek:
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Post by: MetaTron on July 15, 2004, 08:51:29 PM
Never fails to amaze me. You bozos think you can mandate the actions of anyone in the genre. I'm not going anywhere, and it doesn't look like the Hornets take their orders from you bozos, either.
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 08:51:44 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
I didn't ditch anything....


Sure ya did. You may still be a member but you've decided that MetaVoss's honor is more important than your squad's. Ripping off the patch is a little late now. You've yet to give a good reason for being MetaVoss's champion. "He hasn't screwed me .... out of money .... yet." isn't a very good one. "Nobody's proven he's a scumbag as well as he has himself so far." isn't either.

Truly .... unless you're receiving some direct benefit from your actions here (i.e. MetaVoss paying you .... money) ... then you're just a sucker. :D
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 08:53:35 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MetaTron
Never fails to amaze me. You bozos think you can mandate the actions of anyone in the genre. I'm not going anywhere, and it doesn't look like the Hornets take their orders from you bozos, either.


Ah .... I see you poking your pinhead up from behind Slo's back. :D
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Post by: Lizking on July 15, 2004, 08:54:39 PM
Never fails to amaze me. You bozos think you can mandate the actions of anyone in the genre. I'm not going anywhere, and it doesn't look like the Hornets take their orders from you bozos, either.


Now he is hiding behind thier skirts publicly.
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Post by: Brat on July 15, 2004, 08:58:40 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MetaTron
Never fails to amaze me. You bozos think you can mandate the actions of anyone in the genre. I'm not going anywhere, and it doesn't look like the Hornets take their orders from you bozos, either.


What...no hello from you Voss? No "I'm going to find out where you live and send some Special Ops Ninjas in black helicopters that owe me a favor because I pulled their kitten from a burning secret spacecraft to kill you?"

You dissappoint me...

It's their community to mandate you squealing *******...you just circle it like some mastubatory teenager looking for handouts...changing your persona every 6 months until your drawn out of the closet and exposed like some crossdressing football player in High School...

Take your beating and STFU...or go make a new account and see how long you can hide again...
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 15, 2004, 08:58:49 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MetaTron
I'm not going anywhere

:D  Yea, you are going somewhere. The ride is just so smooth you won`t know till the end of the trip.
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Post by: midnight Target on July 15, 2004, 09:05:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Brat
What...no hello from you Voss? No "I'm going to find out where you live and send some Special Ops Ninjas in black helicopters that owe me a favor because I pulled their kitten from a burning secret spacecraft to kill you?"

You dissappoint me...

It's their community to mandate you squealing *******...you just circle it like some mastubatory teenager looking for handouts...changing your persona every 6 months until your drawn out of the closet and exposed like some crossdressing football player in High School...

Take your beating and STFU...or go make a new account and see how long you can hide again...


Sweet!

You need to hang around more Brat.
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 09:07:49 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Nash
I guess I'm just a bit confused about what's in it for you.

Like... it looks like you've lost some. But, what's there to be gained, ultimately?


the day I was Born....all the nurses gathered around.....they all looked in wide wonder....at joy they have found.....head nurse spoke up....and said leave this one alone....cause I can tell ya honey....he's bad too the bone
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Post by: Sikboy on July 15, 2004, 09:09:35 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
the day I was Born....all the nurses gathered around.....they all looked in wide wonder....at joy they have found.....head nurse spoke up....and said leave this one alone....cause I can tell ya honey....he's bad too the bone


lol. Indeed.

-Sik
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Post by: Red Tail 444 on July 15, 2004, 09:16:39 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
the day I was Born....all the nurses gathered around.....they all looked in wide wonder....at joy they have found.....head nurse spoke up....and said leave this one alone....cause I can tell ya honey....he's...


...edited for poor taste......sorry guys...
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 09:19:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Brat
SLO...allow me to beat my own drum for a second here. You do NOT want to start in with me....I understand you don't know who I am, as you're still a puppy as far as online sims go and especially what goes on in the communities...so before you open monosyllabic rathole you call a mouth, you may want to research who you're about to get virtually *****slapped back into DOS by...

Can I get an "amen?"

Geeezuz...that board game...too much...rofl...



guess I won't make your christmas card list :D

who gives a watermelon who you are....you're just another online geek like us
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 09:22:48 PM
Quote
Originally posted by straffo
Je pense que GRUN à parfaitement raison.

bon maintenant  tu laisse tomber cette triste histoire ?

J'en reviens pas ... je me suis reveillé à cause de cette connerie ...:eek:



va te coucher straffo...je m'amuse avec eux.
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 09:25:21 PM
148 to go
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 09:27:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
Sure ya did. You may still be a member but you've decided that MetaVoss's honor is more important than your squad's. Ripping off the patch is a little late now. You've yet to give a good reason for being MetaVoss's champion. "He hasn't screwed me .... out of money .... yet." isn't a very good one. "Nobody's proven he's a scumbag as well as he has himself so far." isn't either.

Truly .... unless you're receiving some direct benefit from your actions here (i.e. MetaVoss paying you .... money) ... then you're just a sucker. :D


sorry Arlo....you keep repeating yourself...and going nowhere....you judge people by what others tell you....fine....not me.....comprende amigo
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Post by: Brat on July 15, 2004, 09:32:34 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
guess I won't make your christmas card list :D

who gives a watermelon who you are....you're just another online geek like us


Is that your tail I see tucked between your legs...or is that Voss's hand stuffed up your ass...it's a bit blurry from this distance as you run backwards...

Come on Voss...you squealing wussy...how long I gotta stand here gutpunching one of your special ed minions before you grow some brass ones? Or did they remove your nuts by mistake thinking it was another brain tumor?

Came here looking for a fight and all I got was a new board game...

This sucks...

SLO...bah...nevermind...

/release
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 09:34:35 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Brat
Is that your tail I see tucked between your legs...or is that Voss's hand stuffed up your ass...it's a bit blurry from this distance as you run backwards...

Come on Voss...you squealing wussy...how long I gotta stand here gutpunching one of your special ed minions before you grow some brass ones? Or did they remove your nuts by mistake thinking it was another brain tumor?

Came here looking for a fight and all I got was a new board game...

This sucks...

SLO...bah...nevermind...

/release



bah...go away Mr.Nobody

coming in here thinking you're all it....deflate that oversized melon you call a head
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Post by: Nash on July 15, 2004, 09:34:37 PM
hey that was a sweet board game dude I'm printing it out.
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 09:35:51 PM
damn works over.....no 1000 today

to be continued:cool:
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Post by: Brat on July 15, 2004, 09:41:34 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
bah...go away Mr.Nobody

coming in here thinking you're all it....deflate that oversized melon you call a head



SLO
Registered: Jan 2002

Brat
Registered: Sep 1999

Rook takes Pawn...checkmate!

Wanna play again?
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Post by: Lizking on July 15, 2004, 09:44:55 PM
Wow, Brat is 5 to Slo's 2!  You guys spel gud for children!
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Post by: SLO on July 15, 2004, 09:46:39 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Brat
SLO
Registered: Jan 2002

Brat
Registered: Sep 1999

Rook takes Pawn...checkmate!

Wanna play again?


hmm...wanna tell me what dates have to do with anything.

do we get special treatment for being registered earlier...or is this your over sized ego talking
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Post by: NUKE on July 15, 2004, 09:55:16 PM
Quote
Originally posted by hitech
Posted BY MetaTron.

 


Any questions why this thread hasn't been locked?


HiTech



I think it's awesome! You'd be a god if you made a forum just for this thread. :D

Brat, lol.....you had me rolling. What ever happened to you? Do you play any other online games anymore? I used to go by ->SUN in AW.
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Post by: Overlag on July 15, 2004, 10:03:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
Over , have you not read his interviews and his communications where HE is perpetuating the scam?


where are they?
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Post by: DrDea on July 15, 2004, 10:14:09 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AWBrat
you're like a meteor of ignorance orbiting a fat bloated planet of bull**** and trying to tell us it smells like roses.


Wow.Thats SERIOUS sig material there baby.:rofl
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Post by: DrDea on July 15, 2004, 10:28:17 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
yup....was a Hornet....they are too nice for me to continue like this....make fun of me is ok....but I made the mistake of representing the Hornets....my bad

too my follow Hornets....sorry


  Voss gets another one.
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Post by: DrDea on July 15, 2004, 10:37:03 PM
Brat.Your a fresh breath of fetid air.I respect that :)
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Post by: Redd on July 15, 2004, 10:40:56 PM
Anyone still doubting that one man voss and paul hinds are all the same man ....Slo  ?


These are pretty funny - must be hard to remember who you are when you are so many people.




From: John \"OneMan\" Birkes (oneman@nwark.com)
Subject: Re: How to reduce rcoket damage in LAN quake
View: Complete Thread (5 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.games.computer.quake.misc, rec.games.computer.quake.play ing
Date: 1997/07/31

sv_maxvelocity?

- Voss

Zenin wrote in article <5rbelq$7i4$8@nntp2.ba.best.com>...
: Jeffrey C. Gilkey wrote:
: > If you know how to slow them down, I want to know that too.
:  >snip<
:
:  Hehe, I've always wanted to speed them up myself. :)
:
: --
: -Zenin
:  Quake Clan After Shock (Did you feel that?)
:  The Bawdy Cast - Rocky Horror Picture Show (San Jose, CA)
:  Zenin's Rocky Archive (http://www.best.com/~zenin/)
:  zenin@best.com
:

From: John \"OneMan\" Birkes (oneman@nwark.com)
Subject: Re: Screensaver creator
View: Complete Thread (5 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.rendering.raytr acing
Date: 1997/07/28

Check http://www.freeware.com for screen saver programs. Nearly on a weekly
basis I see new programs cycle through. Usually, they offer the ability to
test drive before you buy. Also, usually, they have annoying messages added
within your animation. It is a good way to make you sure you are
comfortable with the particular system, though.

Good luck,
Paul Hinds

Darcy Johnston <93johnst@scar.utoronto.ca> wrote in article
...
: Does anyone know of a program that I could use to create screensaver
: files? I want to take an animation I made with povray and turn it into a
: screensaver file. I don't just want to be able to use as a screensaver,
: but actually save it as a .scr file.
:
: Is there a program that allows you to do that, and if so, where can I find
: it?
:
: Thanks,
: Darcy
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Post by: SaburoS on July 15, 2004, 10:41:27 PM
[soapbox]
LOL, funny how we're getting worked up over who's right and who's wrong. This fight has gotten more about proving who's right and one-upmanship in the insult game rather than the ACTUAL facts. From what I've read here:
Here are the sides......
Pro-Voss: Slo and the other Hornet's that have posted here seem to be saying that they'll need actual proof rather than heresay evidence in order to show their fellow squaddie the exit door. Are Slo and the others being manipulated by Voss/Metatron/whatever? Could be, maybe not. But excuse them for showing loyalty to a squaddie. Remember, they want proof, not rumors and inuendo. Have a statement from an individual that claims he was defrauded? Really, how much? If so , why not go to small claims court (what, a $6.00 filing fee)? Wouldn't that be reward alone to atleast have the case heard. Think of the witnesses (at least of those that state of being defrauded) or the affidavites that could be presented to a judge. there are two sides to any story with hardly 100% accuracy from both sides. Usually some bias going on. If some lost money in a 'scam', they didn't investigate further the people and company involved?

Anti-Voss: How can anyone associate themselves with such a pathological lying conman! Why the stuuf I've read is more than enough to convince me that he's guilty as sin. Why anyone would take the time to actually associate themselves with Voss has got to be insane/stupid/gullible/in cahoots with him. We must get rid of that lowlife Voss out of our game!
(I could go on and on the antiVoss samples but will stop here-LOL)

What I think and ACTUALLY KNOW AS FACT may or may not be two different things. From the samples provided by others in their personal dealings with Voss (as well as my own with him) I'd say he's a pathological liar - just a hunch, mind you.
If what was written about him was 100% true, then of coarse, he's a conman as well. Who here has actually given money to Voss? Step forward. State your case. Sorry, but a "I know someone who said he was ripped off by Voss, see? Here's the internet write-up!" just doesn't cut it as evidence or fact.
Now having said that, does it mean that Voss didn't defraud others of money? No, he could very well have. Fact is WE REALLY DON'T KNOW! We're GUESSING.
I lean into the "Voss' is guilty" crowd, but don't know for a fact.
In any case, I'd never loan, give, invest in anything to anyone unless I was willing to lose it. It is a risk, after all.

I think where some of the Hornet's made an error was the mudslinging back at the accusers. Had they kept their arguments on the high-road, a good 2/3rds of this thread wouldn't be down in the gutter. the attention shifts from what actually happened to a oneupmanship insult contest.

This thing against Voss isn't going to go away. With the alledged defrauding in our history, I'd seriously doubt anyone would be gullible to fork over money in such 'programs'.

Year after year, this alledged Voss episode will continue to resurface no matter. Try to keep in mind that we're a mirror of the community we're in. You get back in kind how you treat others. Can the personal insults and lets get to the heart of the matter shall we?

..........[/soapbox]

Hope you can bury the hatchet, check your egos at the door, and take the chips off your shoulders. You're all losing focus what this is about.
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Post by: Redd on July 15, 2004, 10:49:21 PM
And I love this one , patting himself on the back with one of his other personalities - brilliant.





From: John \"OneMan\" Birkes (oneman@nwark.com)
Subject: Re: Screen Shots gif vs jpg
View: Complete Thread (4 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim
Date: 1997/04/05

As usual, the Master has overwhelmed respondants. :) heehee, just kidding
all.

JOB

Paul "Voss" Hinds wrote in article
<01bc4079$bc9a98c0$6de361ce@vosswars.ppp>...
: Properly utilized, images in jpeg format should not take up any more
: bandwidth then the gif format. It really depends on the diversity of colors
: and the compression scheme more then format. For instance, there's a
: shareware program on the net called "Paint Shop Pro." Version 4 allows you
: to modify file format preferences. Under gif you can modify the files
: transparency values and state, which isn't very helpful for minimizing the
: image file size. Jpeg allows you to change dots/inch and compression ratio,
: but you have to work for it.
:
: I suspect people are posting images of 16Mil colors with a standard 15%
: compression, versus pushing compression. See, the image gets "lossy" and
: details drop out. No one wants to post a lossy picture. If used correctly,
: the two formats support the same color depth and sharpness with NO
: difference in file size. It is just easier to hit that "Save as..." button.
:
: Just a thought.
:
: Paul "Voss" Hinds
:
:
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Post by: Redd on July 15, 2004, 10:53:06 PM
Oneman and "the Master" Voss after having a meaningful chat with himselves on the past and future direction of flight sims.











From: John \"OneMan\" Birkes (oneman@nwark.com)
Subject: Re: Strategy Plus Picks WarBirds As Best Online Game for 1996
View: Complete Thread (19 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim, alt.games.air-warrior, alt.games.prop-sim, alt.games.network, comp.sys.mac.games.flight-sim
Date: 1997/04/08

Blue Baron wrote in article
...
:
: Then I got all reasonable and mature about it and saw it for what
: it was.  WB success is an expression of our success, for certainly WB
: would never have come into existence without AW.  Similarly, if CK ever
: comes to pass it will be an expression of WB's inspiration, and so it
: goes.  TAS?  I hope so.
:

I got it straight from Voss (the Master) that TAS is/was inspired by AW.
TAS was nearly fully conceived when WB went pay-for-play. Otherwise, our
main competition would be Sierra (WW1). Voss still insists that TAS is the
ultimate expression of realism (Screaming Demons be damned) and that our
game depends on the success of yours (AW & WB).

So, I hope you enjoy many years of fruitful endeavor.

John "OneMan" Birkes
Gotta go, sixteen-billion polygons are calling my name
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Post by: Grimm on July 15, 2004, 10:54:13 PM
Dont forget,  some people here think impersanating Military pilots is wrong too.  Voss has that going for him as well.
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Post by: Grimm on July 15, 2004, 10:55:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Wotan
Public ridicule has always been a powerful tool to expose and keep in check those who would otherwise exploit people.

Since the Flight games are fluid in that folks move in and out I don’t see anything wrong with revisiting the issue.

The problem isn’t with those who keep the light on the charlatans but with the Voss "fan bois".

Voss should do everyone favor and just disappear. At the very least he should be man enough to voluntarily withdraw from the wHornets and spare them from the hype. The more they are forced to defend him the worse they themselves look.


My 2 cents...


(dragged over from another thread)

Well Said Wotan
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 11:09:59 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
sorry Arlo....you keep repeating yourself...


You say something stupid ... I call you stupid .... you say something stupid .... I call you stupid ..... you say something stupid .... I call you stupid. Yeah. :aok
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Post by: B17Skull12 on July 15, 2004, 11:13:34 PM
this thread is going for a 1000 post.
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Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 11:16:18 PM
I say this thread breaks 1500 before HT locks it after saying  "You clueless dolt".




:D
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Post by: Bodhi on July 15, 2004, 11:20:28 PM
This whole thread sucks, about as much as Voss sucks the anal drippage out of a dead hezbollah terrorists ass....
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 15, 2004, 11:21:07 PM
Did Voss ever tell any of you guys about his movie career?

(http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/filmes/scorpion-king/scorpion-king-poster02.jpg)
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Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 11:23:23 PM
Oh, thought it was this one...


(http://www.topvod.net/movie/moviepic/030903090721.jpg)
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 15, 2004, 11:25:08 PM
I thought Voss starred in the movie Red Scorpion?

Karaya
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Post by: airbumba on July 15, 2004, 11:27:18 PM
Slo, tu parti pas? Pourquoi?

 Si c'est vrai, j'ai veux ton email avant, envoyer moi a

 andrew_pro@yahoo.com
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Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 11:27:26 PM
(http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/coverv/56/133656.jpg)
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Post by: mosca on July 15, 2004, 11:28:52 PM
Really, it's the only entertainment on the 'net right now.

I got ripped off by a cyberfriend a couple months ago, for $35. It isn't worth chasing a guy 2000 miles away. Instead I found out everywhere he posts and told the story, and let everyone else decide.

I figure, $35 is a small price to pay to find out about a man's true character. Not that I'd want to pay it 7,000,000,000 times to find out about EVERYONE'S character, but once in a while is OK.

It's not always a sucker play to send money to someone you know only through the internet. You can lose the money, but come out with a better reward by outing a con.

Hey, Westy.

Mosca
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 15, 2004, 11:31:46 PM
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Originally posted by Overlag
where are they?


Here`s something to get ya warmed up.
............................. ............................. ...........

Posts: 1069

Wahoooey. Break out the shovels for it's getting deep.....



From: Paul \"Voss\" Hinds (vosswars@nwark.com)
Subject: Re: TAS CK AW2 WB

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim
Date: 1997/03/30


Well, let's see! I am the head programmer at Pro-Line. I do have a form of
brain cancer, but I am going to out live you all!

Pro-Line has 38 very bright programmers/CADists/etc. working on TAS the
FEW. This wasn't true just a month and a half ago. Things change. I started
a lot of them out by having them put together parts of TAS BoB. True, we
still haven't put all of the pieces together,...yet.

Will the average flier prefer TAS to AWII, or WB? I doubt it. TAS has a
very realistic "handling model." Notice I didn't say "flight model." I am
referring to, not only the flight model, but the ground handling of every
aircraft. Users will have to learn the specifics of aircraft types, cockpit
load, gunsights, radio procedures, even weapon specific ballistics are
included. You won't catch any German 20mm's possessing one muzzle velocity
in one plane, and another muzzle velocity in some other plane. It's the
same round, it flies the same. The cyclic rate of fire may vary, as it
should for specific weapons, but the velocity will remain the same.

I took great pains to make sure that every plane flies exactly as it
should. I went so far as to hunt down specific types and check them out
myself. That isn't easy, and you can still argue that actual aircraft of
the war period had different configurations from planes of today. While
that is true you will find that the essence, or flavor, of each aircraft is
well represented. (When you climb out of the Hurricane make sure you look
for the glycol soaked pants cuff on your right leg )

Technology of the Second World War has been carefully considered, and is
represented realistically. Radar? Well, yes, but not the radar you might
expect. Radar information is related verbally. Yes, TAS includes voice
communications. For people without microphones we have included a default
"Command" and "Intercom" vox command summary. Hit a button and your wingie
will hear your "Break right!" signal blare through his PC speakers (if you
have your radio set correctly). You can even use our built in utility to
change your "Break right" to Top Gun's "Holy ****, it's Viper!", if you're
so inclined.

I have seen furballs in these other sims last for 15-20 minutes, with ever
increasing intensity. I will be surprised to see a dogfight last even a few
minutes in TAS, and there won't be any dead guys killing you a mere minute
after you kill them.

We have weather too. Not just fog, or haze. We have actual weather fronts
that move. Weather can shut down flight operations for a particular field,
and you won't like that! We even have seasons represented. The camo schemes
on your planes will vary (if morale and operational levels permit
repainting) as the seasons change.

Oh, and there's much, much more...

Bear with us, as many have said you would. I have never understood how a
game can be a matter of life-or-death.

I made them all sign NDA's, though, so this ***hole is going to shutup and
sit down.

Paul "Voss" Hinds
Creator of "Tactical Aero Squadron"
--------------------------------------------------------
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 15, 2004, 11:45:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by hitech
AWBrat's writeing reminds me of DokGonzo.


HiTech


Geezuz, HT.

Is running a technology start-up in the Bush Economy not challenging enough and you need to risk having your privates fed into a pencil sharpener for thrills?

A Mutual Friend has invited me to visit in Dallas and inspect his latest sim. And if you persist in this slander, I'll be looking for you too. Since moving to Los Angeles I have started to run with an angry gang of Samoans who have converted to Judaism. When a 350-pound Samoan swears at you in Yiddish it is indeed a scary thing. And they have their own ritualistic ways of meting out retribution - like darts dipped in the venom of scorpions with brain tumors who can fly F-16.

:-)

HAR! OiNk! (tm) 4Q!

    -DoK (the one and only - thank Gawd)
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 15, 2004, 11:47:54 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Lizking
You guys are still giving the Hornets the attributes of a few individuals.  Until the acting CO comes on and personally defends Voss, you should direct your spew at posters, not squadrons.  And I know I slipped back a page or too, but it was wrong.  Slo, et al are speaking for themselves, not the Hornets, we have to presume.


Actually go read this thread below. Busher, the CO of the potatonets and many other potatonets  eagerly defend Voss, and are none too diplomatic about it. Of the 52 potatonets on their roster at least 20 of them have publicly, on these boards,
come out in defense of Voss in one way or another. Of those 52 on the roster only 38 appear to be 'active'. Therefore, a majority of active potatonets are publicly in support of Voss.http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123291

Zazen
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Post by: DrDea on July 15, 2004, 11:48:12 PM
WHoo Hoooo fresh blood :)
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 15, 2004, 11:48:48 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Geezuz, HT.

Is running a technology start-up in the Bush Economy not challenging enough and you need to risk having your privates fed into a pencil sharpener for thrills?

A Mutual Friend has invited me to visit in Dallas and inspect his latest sim. And if you persist in this slander, I'll be looking for you too. Since moving to Los Angeles I have started to run with an angry gang of Samoans who have converted to Judaism. When a 350-pound Samoan swears at you in Yiddish it is indeed a scary thing. And they have their own ritualistic ways of meting out retribution - like darts dipped in the venom of scorpions with brain tumors who can fly F-16.

:-)

HAR! OiNk! (tm) 4Q!

    -DoK (the one and only - thank Gawd)


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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 11:48:52 PM
DoK GoNzO is posting in the piss on Voss thread!!!!!

Wait .... is this REALLY DoK gOnZo? :cool:
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 15, 2004, 11:48:59 PM
350 pound men aren't scary, they're typically, IMMENSELY overweight.  

Karaya
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 15, 2004, 11:52:05 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
DoK GoNzO is posting in the piss on Voss thread!!!!!

Wait .... is this REALLY DoK gOnZo? :cool:


There can be only one.
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Post by: AKIron on July 15, 2004, 11:52:31 PM
Gotta get at least one post in this thread in case it breaks a record. Will we get our names in Guinness? ;)
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 15, 2004, 11:53:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by MetaTron
Never fails to amaze me. You bozos think you can mandate the actions of anyone in the genre. I'm not going anywhere, and it doesn't look like the Hornets take their orders from you bozos, either.


Even if HiTech bans you for life from the game? I beg to differ my sociopathic whippin' boy! You'll be back to trying to scam 14 year olds out of their lunch money in the AOL teen chat rooms in a heartbeat!

Zazen
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Post by: Nash on July 15, 2004, 11:53:45 PM
DoK.... This has always bothered me....

Beach Volleyball..... For or Against?
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 15, 2004, 11:54:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
There can be only one.


Unless you're from West Hollywood.
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Post by: Arlo on July 15, 2004, 11:56:47 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Masherbrum
350 pound men aren't scary, they're typically, IMMENSELY overweight.  

Karaya


(http://www.wildsamoan.com/pic-lib/rikishi/Rikishi4.jpg)

"Karaya is mine!" - the Wild Samoan
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 15, 2004, 11:58:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Nash
DoK.... This has always bothered me....

Beach Volleyball..... For or Against?


For it only when played by The Juggies.
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 15, 2004, 11:59:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
(http://www.wildsamoan.com/pic-lib/rikishi/Rikishi4.jpg)

"Karaya is mine!" - the Wild Samoan


He'd be crying in Yiddish, when his fat-burdened body is writhing in pain from a broken knee.

Karaya
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: JB73 on July 16, 2004, 12:00:03 AM
LMAO post count just dropped 1 from 897 to 896
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Post by: Arlo on July 16, 2004, 12:00:55 AM
Quote
Originally posted by AKIron
Gotta get at least one post in this thread in case it breaks a record. Will we get our names in Guinness? ;)


If you're talking longest continuous thread on the internet .... try this one:

http://forums.prospero.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=foxfirefly&ft=1&ctx=1&cacheTag=57-56&ld=&gfc=1&msg=4235.1

Approaching 397,000 posts. May be in the running.
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Post by: JB73 on July 16, 2004, 12:01:09 AM
oh what the heck...
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 16, 2004, 12:01:11 AM
9 HUNDO

Karaya

B17, I win :D
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Post by: B17Skull12 on July 16, 2004, 12:01:14 AM
900!
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Post by: DJ111 on July 16, 2004, 12:01:37 AM
90................1!!!!




<*@#&^$*% Skull!>
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Post by: JB73 on July 16, 2004, 12:01:41 AM
lol karaya you got it

thief
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Post by: Avenger on July 16, 2004, 12:02:07 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Geezuz, HT.

Is running a technology start-up in the Bush Economy not challenging enough and you need to risk having your privates fed into a pencil sharpener for thrills?

A Mutual Friend has invited me to visit in Dallas and inspect his latest sim. And if you persist in this slander, I'll be looking for you too. Since moving to Los Angeles I have started to run with an angry gang of Samoans who have converted to Judaism. When a 350-pound Samoan swears at you in Yiddish it is indeed a scary thing. And they have their own ritualistic ways of meting out retribution - like darts dipped in the venom of scorpions with brain tumors who can fly F-16.

:-)

HAR! OiNk! (tm) 4Q!

    -DoK (the one and only - thank Gawd)


We are not worthy of your presence on this bb.
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 16, 2004, 12:02:48 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JB73
lol karaya you got it

thief


hehe.  Shall we race for 1,000? :D

Karaya
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Post by: DJ111 on July 16, 2004, 12:03:27 AM
I'm game fer 1,000  :)
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Post by: JB73 on July 16, 2004, 12:03:41 AM
naw im tired.. of to find some of this elusive internet "pr0n" everyone talks about .. then sleepy
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Post by: Octavius on July 16, 2004, 12:04:37 AM
Quote
Originally posted by MetaTron
You bozos...


whoa, low blow dude. :(
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 16, 2004, 12:07:07 AM
910! Biatches!
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 16, 2004, 12:08:22 AM
911 <> WTC (Never Forget)

Karaya
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Post by: majic on July 16, 2004, 12:08:52 AM
Anybody have MrBlack's email?  We just have  to have him in this thread.  

Who's side would he take?  And how does SRV figure into all of this?

Say, you don't think he and Voss worked together in Central America do you?
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 16, 2004, 12:09:51 AM
Quote
Originally posted by majic
Anybody have MrBlack's email?  We just have  to have him in this thread.  

Who's side would he take?  And how does SRV figure into all of this?

Say, you don't think he and Voss worked together in Central America do you?


SRV was on the Grassy Knoll, come on, we all know that! :)

Karaya
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 16, 2004, 12:10:50 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
Even if HiTech bans you for life from the game?
Zazen


Geeez Kneeez, here`s another one of the examples I was refering to earlier.
  It is impossible to do Zaz.
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Post by: Grits on July 16, 2004, 12:12:30 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
There can be only one.


The unfortunate thing is most folks wont know how significant it is that Voss brought DoK to this board.
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Post by: Arlo on July 16, 2004, 12:19:09 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Grits
The unfortunate thing is most folks wont know how significant it is that Voss brought DoK to this board.


It's one of the signs or armageddon isn't it?
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Post by: storch on July 16, 2004, 12:23:39 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
the day I was Born....all the nurses gathered around.....they all looked in wide wonder....at joy they have found.....head nurse spoke up....and said leave this one alone....cause I can tell ya honey....he's bad too the bone


I think that is "gazed" and not "looked".
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 16, 2004, 12:24:16 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
Geeez Kneeez, here`s another one of the examples I was refering to earlier.
  It is impossible to do Zaz.


Why is that? Just curious? HTC owns and operates AH at it's sole discretion, they have the right to refuse service to anyone, even an ex-CIA, F16 pilot, that got bit by a scorpion, before he developed a brain tumor and ran away with alot of people's money.

Zazen
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Post by: DJ111 on July 16, 2004, 12:24:32 AM
On the day I was born, the nurses all gathered 'round
And they gazed in wide wonder, at the joy they had found
The head nurse spoke up, and she said leave this one alone
She could tell right away, that I was bad to the bone
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 16, 2004, 12:26:01 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
Why is that? Just curious? HTC, owns and operates AH at it's sole discretion, they have the right to refuse service to anyone, even an ex-CIA, F16 pilot, that got bit by a scorpion, before he developed a brain tumor and ran away with alot of people's money.

Zazen


Morpheus, you asked fo rthe Clif's Notes version of Fester's book, here it is. :D

Karaya

Zazzy, I'm gonna use this as sig. material.  Vintage <>
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 16, 2004, 12:26:37 AM
George Thurogood was from Wilmington Delaware, the town where I grew up. He went to Brandywine highschool. There's a girl I know whose father, according to legend, beat ole Georgie up back in the tenth grade because Georgie, for all his guitar skills, was a wuss and a loudmouth.

Basically, Slo, guitar skills or not, you're just second fiddle to a guy who does siding now.
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 16, 2004, 12:29:39 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Basically, Slo, guitar skills or not, you're just second fiddle to a guy who does siding now.


Siding!  ROTFLMMFAO.  Stop, make this lunacy stop, I say! :)

Karaya
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 16, 2004, 12:29:46 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
Why is that? Just curious? HTC, owns and operates AH at it's sole discretion, they have the right to refuse service to anyone, even an ex-CIA, F16 pilot, that got bit by a scorpion, before he developed a brain tumor and ran away with alot of people's money.

Zazen


  Zaz, can`t you see what this l`il puke has went through to get back in over and over.
  You don`t have to  sign up under your own name. You don`t have to use your own credit card, bank acct, etc to pay.
  IPs are  easily changed. It goes on and on.
  Some of the crap this twit has pulled to get back in the community allready is unbelievable. He is not here for his health or the love of the game.  (He can`t give a crap about the game, he`s too busy figuring ways around it to game it.)
  Getting booted , then coming back in again would be a snap. Nothing to it.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 16, 2004, 12:30:30 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Masherbrum
Morpheus, you asked fo rthe Clif's Notes version of Fester's book, here it is. :D

Karaya

Zazzy, I'm gonna use this as sig. material.  Vintage <>


Feel free, I would copyright my material but I'd hate to have to fight Voss/Metapotato in court for the rights to it when he claims I actually stole it from him! So, consider it public domain. ;) <>

Zazen
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Post by: Red Tail 444 on July 16, 2004, 12:33:54 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
When a 350-pound Samoan swears at you in Yiddish it is indeed a scary thing.


It would seem so...however, no less scary than an 85 pound Jewish man swearing at you in Samoan
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 16, 2004, 12:35:26 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
Zaz, can`t you see what this l`il puke has went through to get back in over and over.
  You don`t have to  sign up under your own name. You don`t have to use your own credit card, bank acct, etc to pay.
  IPs are  easily changed. It goes on and on.
  Some of the crap this twit has pulled to get back in the community allready is unbelievable. He is not here for his health or the love of the game.  (He can`t give a crap about the game, he`s too busy figuring ways around it to game it.)
  Getting booted , then coming back in again would be a snap. Nothing to it.


He can only have access to so many people's credit cards, unless credit card fraud is another one of his 'entrepreneurial businesses'. Everytime he rears his ugly head, lop it off. Allowing him to circle the very community he victimized like a buzzard is unfair to the rest of us, and puts us all at unnecessary risk. He is not very hard to identify and quash if he did come back, he's not half as smart as he thinks he is. He's acutely sociopathic personality demands he seek attention, that alone will always unmask him in short order.

Zazen
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 16, 2004, 12:36:02 AM
This thread is starting to remind of me of some of the cheaper porn I downloaded last week. I'm not sure why.
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 16, 2004, 12:36:30 AM
Billy Squier is now a gardener in Long Island.

Karaya
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Post by: storch on July 16, 2004, 12:39:40 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Capt. Pork
George Thurogood was from Wilmington Delaware, the town where I grew up. He went to Brandywine highschool. There's a girl I know whose father, according to legend, beat ole Georgie up back in the tenth grade because Georgie, for all his guitar skills, was a wuss and a loudmouth.

Basically, Slo, guitar skills or not, you're just second fiddle to a guy who does siding now.


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 16, 2004, 12:40:03 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Masherbrum
Billy Squier is now a gardener in Long Island.

Karaya


I'm going to sleep... Be kind to Shatner, Karaya.
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Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on July 16, 2004, 12:40:08 AM
Bow chika bow ow
-SW
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Post by: snapperhead on July 16, 2004, 12:41:42 AM
is it just me or has this thread turned into postpotato 101
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 16, 2004, 12:44:16 AM
Quote
Originally posted by snapperhead
is it just me or has this thread turned into postpotato 101


It took you 932 posts to figure this out?

Karaya
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Post by: Arlo on July 16, 2004, 12:45:32 AM
(http://agdb.net.ru/images/simulation_sex_1.jpg)
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 16, 2004, 12:50:08 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
He can only have access to so many people's credit cards, unless credit card fraud is another one of his 'entrepreneurial businesses'. Everytime he rears his ugly head, lop it off. Allowing him to circle the very community he victimized like a buzzard is unfair to the rest of us, and puts us all at unnecessary risk. He is not very hard to identify and quash if he did come back, he's not half as smart as he thinks he is. His acutely sociopathic personality demands he seek attention, that alone will always unmask him in short order.

Zazen


  Well , I agree with you about the lopping of the head, but see how he hides behind someone else and they carry the ball for him?
  I`ll ask again....do you really think that he is only using one account, playing under one squad affiliation, etc now?
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Post by: DJ111 on July 16, 2004, 12:52:08 AM
Gettin' closer to 1,000...
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 16, 2004, 12:57:11 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
Well , I agree with you about the lopping of the head, but see how he hides behind someone else and they carry the ball for him?
  I`ll ask again....do you really think that he is only using one account, playing under one squad affiliation, etc now?


That's my point, we don't need to concern ourselves with 'what if' scenarios. We KNOW one account that is Voss. It is that account he has chosen to use as his 'hook' account. If you quash that one and he doesn't have another, he will have to re-incarnate himself and start this process of trust building all over again. If he does have another account he has been using in 'shades'.. well.. same difference, he will have to bring that one to the forefront and begin trust building once more. Either way we will have successfully reset his 'pattern of victimization' through trust-building. If he is never given the opportunity to build trust with a significant portion of the community he will have little success perpetrating another defrauding scheme on us.

Eventually he will run out of potential victims, time, patience, credit cards, and power-ranger type names for his 'super-ego' accounts. By then, hopefully, he will either be in prison, in a maximum security mental facility for the criminally insane, or dead by the hand of one his 'marks'.

Zazen
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 16, 2004, 12:57:26 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DJ111
Gettin' closer to 1,000...


I have to sleep now!  2am.  <>

To all who are worried about this htread going to hell in a hand basket. Don't Fret, tomorrow around 10am this baby will pick up more steam than Nell Carter in a Sauna.

Karaya
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Post by: snapperhead on July 16, 2004, 01:01:13 AM
im bored, and me and my g/f got in a fight so here is a pic of her arse


(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/95_1089957325_100_0257.jpg)
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Post by: DJ111 on July 16, 2004, 01:02:11 AM
Too............sleepy........ but....must....make.....1,000......!


(http://www.heatercats.com/weblog/images/sleep_b.JPG)
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 16, 2004, 01:10:41 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
That's my point, we don't need to concern ourselves with 'what if' scenarios.
Zazen


  I wasn`t dealing with what ifs. :D
  I was just wondering how much you had put together.
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Post by: Nash on July 16, 2004, 01:11:50 AM
Quote
Originally posted by snapperhead
im bored, and me and my g/f got in a fight so here is a pic of her arse


That is, perhaps, the best thing I've ever read in my whole entire life.
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 16, 2004, 01:16:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
I wasn`t dealing with what ifs. :D
  I was just wondering how much you had put together.


By now you must know...I am very thorough! ;)

Zazen
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 16, 2004, 01:24:20 AM
BTW, the above picture is over rated. Def not a perk ride. Wouldn`t be worth spending the points on.
  Landing gear is too beefy for the frame. Tail fin leaves a lot to be desired. Appears to be some major structural damage before even leaving the runway, especialy the skin.
  Probably sounds like a 262 on the strip, but once airborn will handle like a 110, sluggish and unresponsive, especialy when carrying eggs. :D
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Post by: Slash27 on July 16, 2004, 01:53:03 AM
# 945




Im watching This is Spinal Tap
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Post by: NUKE on July 16, 2004, 02:04:42 AM
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Originally posted by Slash27
# 945




Im watching This is Spinal Tap


Nigel and I shant work together again.
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Post by: Slash27 on July 16, 2004, 02:11:05 AM
Hello Cleveland!!
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Post by: NUTTZ on July 16, 2004, 02:20:05 AM
yea, I hope he gets into another fight with her and when she turns around... Snap another picture;)

NUTTZ

Quote
Originally posted by Nash
That is, perhaps, the best thing I've ever read in my whole entire life.
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Post by: jodgi on July 16, 2004, 03:19:37 AM
"............... This one goes to 11."
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Post by: flyingaround on July 16, 2004, 03:32:06 AM
just doing my part to hit 1000 posts on this thread.


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    Many dog behinds - I celebrate
    By kissing your face.

    I sound the alarm!
    Paper boy - come to kill us all
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    Sniff this and weep.

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Post by: straffo on July 16, 2004, 03:33:18 AM
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Originally posted by SLO
va te coucher straffo...je m'amuse avec eux.


dans ce cas je t'aide

+1 :)
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 16, 2004, 03:42:13 AM
WoW
 I knew there was a reason slow has been on ignore for years. What a tool.

Wave from voss's bellybutton little man!
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Post by: HUN on July 16, 2004, 03:48:15 AM
Hey:

Anybody have +Brat's classic post on EA about the "Indian" tech support conversation?
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Post by: HUN on July 16, 2004, 03:56:35 AM
God, I learned everything about AW from DoK’s write-ups.  What memories…

Dikta GonZo (http://www.gonzoville.com/DoK/dikta.html)
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Post by: Hortlund on July 16, 2004, 04:14:43 AM
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Originally posted by Brat
I spent a full 2 and half months screaming "I TOLD YOU SO" when the bomb finally dropped and the excuses ran rampant.


Yeah, that must have made you really popular. I cant imagine anything more annoying than someone behaving like that.
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Post by: SunTracker on July 16, 2004, 04:19:05 AM
Theres a guy named "voss" posting on the F-16.net forums.  The f-16.net forums are for hardcore fans of the F-16.

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-1115.html
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Post by: fd ski on July 16, 2004, 05:55:07 AM
upside to all Voss's threads is that all the old faces come out of the woodwork :D
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Post by: DipStick on July 16, 2004, 05:58:22 AM
958 and counting. Will it make it to 1000? Only time will tell.
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Post by: Meatwad on July 16, 2004, 06:24:35 AM
Holy cow flyingaround, I about fell outta the chair reading that one!

This has to be the longest topic ever on the BBS.
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Post by: SaburoS on July 16, 2004, 06:29:27 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SunTracker
Theres a guy named "voss" posting on the F-16.net forums.  The f-16.net forums are for hardcore fans of the F-16.

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-1115.html


Couldn't be 'our' Voss if we're going by alledged history. First, that Voss would have to come across as some type of pioneer super genius. After establishing that, he'd start making claims of an evolutionary product that can be had for $$. He'd show some awesome models (done on computer) to WOW the unsuspecting 'victims.' He'd set up multiple personalities. One would be to 'interview' the 'Inventor' so the 'interview' ends up on an unsuspecting website (maybe even a magazine). Other 'personalities' would be around to spread the word of how great this "Voss" inventor is.
Of coarse in the end, no one would actually have and concrete $ figures of how much they actually were 'duped' out of. Never mind that everyone seems to be pointing to the same 'interviews' or 'personal stories' as actual proof of what actually happened. Notice not a single lawsuit is ever filed. Not even at Small Claims Court......
That Voss in that F16 forum doesn't sound like an expert....for now.

The above is alledged only. As to the actual past incident, did Voss actually accept contributions under false pretenses? Looks like he did by his actions, but truth be told, I don't see actual evidence, only accusations by those that actually haven't 'invested' money. I'd like to see some actual figures by those involved directly, not heresay evidence.
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Post by: Smut on July 16, 2004, 06:38:13 AM
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Originally posted by Drex
Well at least I got to see some old friends on here.  Heya  Smut and Redd.

Voss didn't lie about leviathn sucking.

Drex


Drex! I heard a nasty rumor you were back. I'm still in the "sticking my toe back into the pool" stage, but I'm having fun.

Was winging with DoK last night in Jugs, and we DIDN'T DIE!

-Smut

p.s. Bite me Voss
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Post by: Redd on July 16, 2004, 06:39:08 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SunTracker
Theres a guy named "voss" posting on the F-16.net forums.  The f-16.net forums are for hardcore fans of the F-16.

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-1115.html



Can't be the same Voss . AH Voss wouldn't work for the company , he'd own it.











voss
Newbie



Joined: Jun 02, 2004
Posts: 3

   
  Posted: Jun 02, 2004 - 05:48 PM    
I work for a company that manufactures fuel metering products for this aircraft. I am attempting to locate information relating to maintenance intervals of the engine (hot section, time between overhaul) along with average operating hours per month or annually.

Can you help or provide direction as to where I might locate this type of information.

Thank you
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Post by: Redd on July 16, 2004, 06:42:57 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Drex
Well at least I got to see some old friends on here.  Heya  Smut and Redd.

Voss didn't lie about leviathn sucking.

Drex




G'day Drex - long time :)


This is definitely a party thread   - good to see you , grab a bowl of pretzels
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Post by: Vila on July 16, 2004, 07:00:04 AM
Originally posted by Overlag
thats what i ment, i dont agree with scammers but if someone is so THICK to send money to someone over the net with no real proof of it, they deserve to get stung.

From what ive been told most of the **** posted here is aload of rubbish about Voss/meta. And why is it brining hornets into it?


Told by who? Voss?  His buddies?

Voss did all this stuff, I was there.


 

Nope, not justified at all, but what did HE do? no one has any proof, its just "well this guy said voss did this" or "oh i heard about this guy getting scammed by another guy called voss" bah bah bah, theres no proof, no nothing.

I'm an eye witness to at least some of the accusations.  That's proof enough for me ;)

If it really did happen, why didnt you lot of whining babies get the police or whatever into it?

I wasn't personally ripped off.  I have no cause to go to the police.  But Voss has lost ALL honor.  You weren't around so you can;t know.  You probably figure you're stepping up and helping a buddy.  That's honorable, but he doesn't deserve it.

From what ive heard from "our side" is that he was part of a group of people, he didnt take any money from it, he infact lost money/time from it. But again, this is more rumour, no prove and i really cant care about something that supposed to have happend like 5 years ago.

You SHOULD care.  If you defend him, then it's YOUR honor and reputation on the line.  Voss never even apologized for all the crap he spewed.
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Post by: Vila on July 16, 2004, 07:06:49 AM
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Never fails to amaze me. You bozos think you can mandate the actions of anyone in the genre. I'm not going anywhere, and it doesn't look like the Hornets take their orders from you bozos, either.


Bozos?  Look out!  He means business!

Hey VOss, got any more pics of your P-51?  
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Post by: Arlo on July 16, 2004, 07:27:38 AM
From: Robey (lprice19@idt.net)
Subject: Re: TAS, Rich stop and consider...

Date: 1997/06/01
 
rich wrote:
>
> Well the bbs is now read only !  I hope some of you are happy now :(

Rich I think you miss the point. Read Pagan's post about conditions for reopening it. Specifically Paul addressing false claims he has made about his military service (being a F-16 pilot with kills in the Gulf).

Happy?  Hell no...pissed off that Paul lied about this. I believed him when he told me he flew F-16s.

I can't for the life of me understand why a guy that made the statement, "I dedicate my life to my God, my family, etc..." would LIE about his accomplishments. And then turn around and ignore the problem. Where did I get that statement? Go to the TAS BBS and do a "userpeek" at Paul Hinds.

And now Rich, you're upset with guys like me who challenged Paul's veracity? Why? I didn't give him brain cancer, I've claimed he has fabricated some outlandish fairey tales.

Mike made a business decision to close the BBS. I agree completely with that decision. I made a combustible retort on there Sunday night in response to Mike Barr saying in effect, [paraphrasing now] "we should show Paul more respect because of Paul's combat service."

How can I be more clear? I claim that Paul D. Hinds of Fayettville AR, NEVER attended the USAFA, flew F-16s, nor flew combat in F-16s and shotdown 2 Iraqis. IMO Paul's claims are an INSULT to real life veterans.

I make no claims against Paul's business partner Michael P. Hobuss of Austin TX. I believe Mike to be an honorable man. Mike has officially stated he has NO COMMENT about my challenge or Paul's service record.

Robey Price (Major USAFRes)
Former F-16 Pilot

From: Luis Caamano (luisc@cris.com)
Subject: Re: TAS, Rich stop and consider...

Robey.  I think you picked the worst moment to come up
with this.  The man is dying for crissake!  Do you think
he or his family cares about what you think at this moment?
Do you think he or his family would come up and answer
anything?  If I were on my death bed and somebody comes
asking about any claims ... I guess my last gesture in
life would be to raise my middle finger regardless of how
noble or correct your claims are.

I dunno, the whole TAS thing is pretty weird.

+=aaCL=+ "Royal Knights"

From: Toad (squireNOSPAMtoad@ibm.net)
Subject: Re: TAS, Rich stop and consider...

Obviously a response from a person who's never done anything in his life
to be proud of.

Sorry, pal .. but wannabe's, imposters, pretenders .. they _are_ scum of
the earth, climbing to some height on the achievements (and blood and
bodies) of others that they envy.

Do you have _any_ accomplishment you consider worthy?  If so .. how
would you feel if someone else claimed that same accomplishment .. and
was a fraud?  BFD?  Not likely.

I hope he gets better too .. but if his claims to USAF, Academy, F16
pilot, air combat, etc. are bogus .. he's just as worthless a wannabe as
any of the others.  His programming may be great, he may have all the
friends in the world in the aviation and flight sim areas .. but he'll
have no friends in the ranks of the veterans.

I await his response to the charges against him with great interest.  I
haven't joined the thread to date because I feel he has _not_ been able
to respoond (due to health).  But when he _does_ start communicating
again .. his response to the charges had better be one of the first
things out of his keyboard.  Or I'll consider him guilty by "failure to
appear."

I don't go around wearing Vietnam hats or jackets or patches, don't make
the parades, don't join the clubs and associations .. but I damn sure
get pissed when someone pretends to be SF or MACV(SOG) or Recon or
whatever. And I can totally sympathise with real-world fighter pilots
who've "seen the elephant" as they say.

David Kirschbaum
SGM, USA SF (Ret)

From: Nosferatu (nosfer@concentric.net)
Subject: Re: TAS, Rich stop and consider...

F***ing kangaroo court jesters! Have you *proved* Paul's claims beyond a reasonable doubt? Thought not.
--
Nos
Vancouver, Canada

From: wurger@cris.com (wurger@cris.com)
Subject: Re: TAS, Rich stop and consider...

Nos, his claims have been disproven beyond a reasonable doubt. As 'Paul Hinds' he claimed he attended the U.S.A.F. Academy.
When the yearbooks were checked for every year he said he was there, there was no mention of him...and I don't buy the 'changed his name from what it *really* was because of covert operation involvement' ..they selected him for some covert operation involving flying a F-16 while he was at the U.S.A.F. Academy? Before he ever attended flight school? There are numerous other claims which have been disproven, but I won't mention them for the 65th time or so in this newsgroup. What I will mention again is that for 3 months Robey tried to get some verification from Paul Hinds via email, and received no responses from Paul at all during this time. However, Paul responded to email sent by people not 'putting the heat on him' usually within a day or so of sending him a message.

The guy is a liar. Once again, I don't want him to die, and I can feel for his friends and family. And I am totally willing to drop the whole matter until 'Paul Hinds' can respond to Robey's questions. But I will not have some clueless person (yourself Nos...this is not
an attack on you - I am referring to the fact that Robey has spent
months researching 'Paul Hinds' claims, and you have not) post
responses that could possibly dilute the facts that Robey has
uncovered, thereby causing someone to think for an instant that
there is a viable excuse/reason for Paul Hinds failure to back up his claims.

Nos, I can understand why you are defending Paul Hinds, I myself
have a weak spot for the apparent 'underdog'. But in this matter, I have been convinced of/become aware of facts that most others
do not have knolwedge of.

So until the 'truth comes out' Nos, let's just agree to disagree. You
seem like a reasonably decent fellow (anyone who likes the Clubfoot Orchestra can't be all that bad...), sound cool to you?

     Respectfully Yours,
     Mike W.
     'pips' in WB
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Post by: Westy on July 16, 2004, 07:46:08 AM
Ok.  Please STOP making those lame count hyping posts.  It's as "fulfilling" as tissue paper stuffed in a bra.


 *The explicit and revealing pictures of pissed of GF's is more than welcome and are more expected at this point however.

 For the rest may I suggest using the moment to create a witful but biting, caustic  barb aimed at the Vosstitute and his sheep?





Hiya Mosca! Long time no 'see'  :)
Hiya Dok.  Dok, did you save that map you and Nuttz were working on perchance?  And  Oh! All of Worcester says hello... ;)
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Post by: streakeagle on July 16, 2004, 08:02:52 AM
On any other message board, anyone who was caught 100% lying about military service was instantly banned for life.

Of course, one or more of the moderators of such forums was usually a veteran or currently serving.

I doubt anyone at HTC has ever served in the military, but it would be greatly appreciated by a veteran like myself if the same policy were followed here.

Being a veteran doesn't automatically make you an honest and honorable man deserving respect, but pretending to be a veteran for personal gain certainly makes you a dishonest bastard deserving no respect. Those with the Christian idea of forgiveness should still understand that while you may forgive someone in your heart, that doesn't excuse them from accountability and punishment for their actions... especially when they are a remorseless SOB. Jesus said forgive, not forgive and forget. On the other hand, if you feel like turning your other cheek, feel free to contact Metatron to find out what you can do to help him finish TAS.

I don't buy into mental illnesses either... to go to an extreme, anyone who would do what Hitler did obviously had some mental/emotional issues, but that doesn't excuse their actions.

Paul Hinds/Voss/Metatron has demonstrated that he will use any means available to impress his own delusions of grandeur on any one he can to satisfy his emotional (and perhaps monetary) needs. Allowing him to participate in any community enables him to continue.
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 16, 2004, 08:21:39 AM
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Originally posted by streakeagle
On any other message board, anyone who was caught 100% lying about military service was instantly banned for life.

Of course, one or more of the moderators of such forums was usually a veteran or currently serving.

I doubt anyone at HTC has ever served in the military, but it would be greatly appreciated by a veteran like myself if the same policy were followed here.

Being a veteran doesn't automatically make you an honest and honorable man deserving respect, but pretending to be a veteran for personal gain certainly makes you a dishonest bastard deserving no respect. Those with the Christian idea of forgiveness should still understand that while you may forgive someone in your heart, that doesn't excuse them from accountability and punishment for their actions... especially when they are a remorseless SOB. Jesus said forgive, not forgive and forget. On the other hand, if you feel like turning your other cheek, feel free to contact Metatron to find out what you can do to help him finish TAS.

I don't buy into mental illnesses either... to go to an extreme, anyone who would do what Hitler did obviously had some mental/emotional issues, but that doesn't excuse their actions.

Paul Hinds/Voss/Metatron has demonstrated that he will use any means available to impress his own delusions of grandeur on any one he can to satisfy his emotional (and perhaps monetary) needs. Allowing him to participate in any community enables him to continue.


I think Pyro was in the Coast Guard.

eskimo
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 16, 2004, 08:22:05 AM
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Originally posted by streakeagle
On any other message board, anyone who was caught 100% lying about military service was instantly banned for life.

Of course, one or more of the moderators of such forums was usually a veteran or currently serving.

I doubt anyone at HTC has ever served in the military, but it would be greatly appreciated by a veteran like myself if the same policy were followed here.

Being a veteran doesn't automatically make you an honest and honorable man deserving respect, but pretending to be a veteran for personal gain certainly makes you a dishonest bastard deserving no respect. Those with the Christian idea of forgiveness should still understand that while you may forgive someone in your heart, that doesn't excuse them from accountability and punishment for their actions... especially when they are a remorseless SOB. Jesus said forgive, not forgive and forget. On the other hand, if you feel like turning your other cheek, feel free to contact Metatron to find out what you can do to help him finish TAS.

I don't buy into mental illnesses either... to go to an extreme, anyone who would do what Hitler did obviously had some mental/emotional issues, but that doesn't excuse their actions.

Paul Hinds/Voss/Metatron has demonstrated that he will use any means available to impress his own delusions of grandeur on any one he can to satisfy his emotional (and perhaps monetary) needs. Allowing him to participate in any community enables him to continue.


Exactly! Off with his head!!:mad:

Well, the head of his current incarnation anyways.

I'll bet good money Voss/Metapotato is actually a fry cook at McDonald's. (no offense intended to McDonald's):aok

Zazen
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Post by: Redd on July 16, 2004, 08:22:05 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Vila

And still more "old fella's"  popping in to say hello

Mate, the 38 is pretty good here they tell me, you might like it.


G'day !


Redd
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 16, 2004, 08:24:31 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
I'll bet good money Voss/Metapotato is actually a fry cook at McDonald's. (no offense intended to McDonald's):aok

Zazen


I would have guessed the "mop boy" instead :D

Karaya

Morning Zazzy
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 16, 2004, 08:37:35 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Masherbrum
I would have guessed the "mop boy" instead :D

Karaya

Morning Zazzy


Morning Karaya! <>

Zazen :cool:
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Post by: DieAz on July 16, 2004, 08:42:29 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO


..and the past will not dictate my future.

 



Those, that forget history, are doomed to repeat it.
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Post by: Trell on July 16, 2004, 08:50:10 AM
Those that dwel in the past will never experence the present
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Post by: Sixpence on July 16, 2004, 08:54:03 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Trell
Those that dwel in the past will never experence the present


Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
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Post by: Karaya on July 16, 2004, 08:56:29 AM
Just trolling to add to the post meter.

I had a few Voss encounters many moons ago. He has always been a source of controversy.

This thread is definately entertaining!
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Post by: lazs2 on July 16, 2004, 09:08:00 AM
trell.... do you really think that exposing the past of an urepentant liar and fraud is "living in the past"?    The man has poped up again and... he is telling a bunch of new whoppers.

you must be looking to get on with the potatonets.

lazs
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 16, 2004, 09:08:32 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Sixpence
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.


Once bitten, twice shy!
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Post by: hitech on July 16, 2004, 09:11:07 AM
Yankee was in the gulf as an ATC.
Pyro in the CG.



DokGonZo: Well thats a hell of a how do you do. Make sure you stop in and say Hi if you come see our friend.


HiTech
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Post by: Nash on July 16, 2004, 09:13:39 AM
Fool me...... Won't get fooled again!
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Post by: Flit on July 16, 2004, 09:22:24 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Voss
Misconceptions:

1. I wasn't a member of the 13th in AH1 or AH2.

Icer is WRONG. I was C.O. of the 13th for quite some time.
Icer is wrong still. Even after giving up the C.O. position I flew with the 13th for quite a while before Rude blew a gasket one night. Still a few 13th are good guys. Just not the latest additions.

2. Zazen knows me at all.

Zazen doesn't even appear on my scope. He must be one of the degenerate AW crowd that I care nothing about. A lamer I never knew, nor ever will. Trash.

3. I stole money from a crowd of guys in a beta program of some sort?

Shear fantasy. You guys fantasize while accusing me of something you lamers are engaging in is rather hypocritical don't you think? HA! You losers must have absolutely no life. I have asked you all to post proof of this over the years and no one ever has. I hope none of you have children or pets, because I know you'd beat on them. I care not for your loses you turds. Call the FBI if you think they care.

4. Conspiracy

Elevating yourself to the level of perpetrator is a new low even for you Cit. Show me your evidence. I seem to have read that you don't have a computer for flying, yet you can stir the pot with photoshop edits. You're pathetically disconnected from the real world. What are you, eighteen years old? You weren't even around in the days of the TAS beta. Pathetic.

5. I'm flying AH today?

Shortly after the 357th dried up (thanks to Citabria's duplicity) I left the game. This had something to do with a divorce and the poverty that I found myself in as a result. Divorce will do that to you. I still think HT should have left the price at $29.95 and the AH community wouldn't be full of the degenerates that it is. Someone is using Voss? Must be a low life indeed. I would suspect Citabria.

6. Citabria is a skilled artist.

The lame truth is he downloaded 3D Studio off of Kazaa. Software piracy is a crime Cit. Welcome to the club of criminals you so merrily degrade.

7. I care about you punks.

You're all girl scouts. Bend over girlies.

8. TAS is gone.

TAS, as it was, will never be. The ideas created by ME were stolen and incorporated in games like Aces High, and WWII Online. If any of you were around then (and many of you claim to have been) then you should know this. Which of you broke the agreement of the non-disclosure contract you signed? Oh, wait, Hobutt released you from it, didn't he? You should know a little more about the law then. He doesn't have the right to summarily modify a contractual agreement after the fact.

You continue to attack my handle and name. Yet, in truth you owe me a thanks for all the great ideas without which you would find yourself playing WarBirds to this day. Yes, I believe HT stole my ideas through losers like you.

Have a nice day.

To those that wrote me on this subject: I don't need anymore reminders that degenerates exist in this genre. I know full well that there is little evidence of intelligent life here. The entire purpose of this genre has escaped the majority of its users. It has degenrated (thus my use of the term degenrates) into a piss and whine genre.

I have better things to do with my time.

 for those of you who did'nt or don't want to read the whole thread, this is on page 4.
 I would say that  #8 says it all.
  Would'nt that be considered slander ?
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 16, 2004, 09:25:11 AM
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Originally posted by Flit
for those of you who did'nt or don't want to read the whole thread, this is on page 4.
 I would say that  #8 says it all.
  Would'nt that be considered slander ?


It's written, so it is actually a clear-cut case of libel.
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Post by: Trell on July 16, 2004, 09:27:18 AM
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.


If yoiu follow the bush quote,

Fool me once shame on u,   Fool me twice and you wont do it again  :aok
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 16, 2004, 09:29:27 AM
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Originally posted by DieAz
Those, that forget history, are doomed to repeat it.


As a warning to those misguided souls that have demonstrated their hero worship of Voss we should recall what the Romans did to warn their enemies, actual and potential.

Put his head on a pike along the main road to Rome, with a message on a plaque at the bottom, "Beware! or you will suffer the same fate" :eek:

Zazen
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Post by: Trell on July 16, 2004, 09:31:08 AM
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Originally posted by lazs2
trell.... do you really think that exposing the past of an urepentant liar and fraud is "living in the past"?    The man has poped up again and... he is telling a bunch of new whoppers.

you must be looking to get on with the potatonets.

lazs



aww  turning into a liberal laz?

I thought you didnt like people telling you how to think.

Btw I thought the arguments were over, and we were just doing
old useless saying :aok

And no if I start flying again it will not be with the hornets.
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Post by: Shamus on July 16, 2004, 09:54:52 AM
Another slow day at work I see Trell..lucky that you review the logs over there:)

shamus
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Post by: lazs2 on July 16, 2004, 10:02:11 AM
trell... people aren't telling me how to think... I was around when it all happened... I seen the doctored screenshots... talked to people who met the man.

We are not just vitual community... I have met maybe 100 or more of the people who are posting on these boards... a few have remained friends and we socialize.   I have had them in my home and me in theirs.

voss is a POS.    There is a good chance that we could meet him in all of his 5'2" glory.   I would not like him to think that he is welcome to be around me... in the game or in person.

In every other case that I can think of... People that I have had differences with on these boards, I have had no problem with meeting them or even having them in my home.    Ravs and I have just sent each other books that we think would interest the other... Money well spent.

voss is unrepentant... so long as he is....  these types of threads will continue.

If he owned up to all of it and asked to be forgiven.... and, of course... stopped friggin lying..  I bet that when one of these threads started....

people would let bygones be bygones and bringing up his past would be in poor taste.

bringing up the past now, with this POS a hole is simply prudent and correct .

lazs
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Post by: Bodhi on July 16, 2004, 10:03:43 AM
I will say it again... VOSS is a POS.
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Post by: NUTTZ on July 16, 2004, 10:04:13 AM
Doing my part also to be in the biggest thread. I've not been involved with this, but have been around threw it. A mention of KenJr was brought up, KenJr, i believe appologized.
one small lie led to another to help fortify the first lie and it snowballed, no harm was done no money taken. appology accepted.

I can see both sides of the coin here, I like Ripsnort, I don't like Voss, I can't believe Ripsnort would associate with Voss or be in the same squad. YES, I don't personally know either one outside AH, but you get a clue as to their personalities from the postings in here and threw the years.

I've made ALOT of friends from AW to AH threwout the years, and have met ALOT of them IRL. Air shows and even slept over their houses. I'd buy Ripsnort a beer, I wouldn't walk across the street to pee on Voss if he was on fire. Now, do I stop talking to Ripsnort? Hmmm tuff call, I'll still buy Rip that beer, but will always wonder why he would associate with Voss.

You know, I think the core of this thread is Voss never said " I'm sorry" It takes a big man to say that. I do believe what transpired was true, I also believe restitution and I'm sorry helps to reheal those wounds. Do i have expirence with being taken, YES SIR!! I have a court date in December to retreave almost $250,000 US. Was I scammed ? Yes, was I a sucker? I believe not. This crooked realestate company bulked 8.6 mil from people who bought property threw his office. He is in jail at the moment, but "sold" these Fake leins against my 2 houses and my 2 buildings when i refinanced ( sent in fake paperwork that HE had purchased my properties) then sold the property. I still own all my properties and the last court date unfreezes my money in escrow. If anyone calls me a SUCKER, i will go postal on them ( there that should get another 200 Sucker replies)

We aall tell little lies, just don't cover THEM up with bigger lies. I don't even have time for lunch most days, let alone 2 Phd's.


NUTTZ
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 16, 2004, 10:08:09 AM
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Originally posted by NUTTZ
You know, I think the core of this thread is Voss never said " I'm sorry" It takes a big man to say that. ) NUTTZ


Voss is 5'2" correct? :D

Karaya
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Post by: Frodo on July 16, 2004, 10:12:15 AM
(http://members.sparedollar.com/proffers/2.jpg)

:D
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Post by: Trell on July 16, 2004, 10:12:59 AM
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Originally posted by Shamus
Another slow day at work I see Trell..lucky that you review the logs over there:)

shamus


Ya My job is hell sometimes :aok
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Post by: JAGED on July 16, 2004, 10:16:48 AM
Six more to go...  :)
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Post by: DJ111 on July 16, 2004, 10:17:10 AM
closer....
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Post by: Charon on July 16, 2004, 10:21:29 AM
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It's written, so it is actually a clear-cut case of libel.


I deal with libel as a journalist but the Internet is a bit different. In general, the key to libel/defamation is that the stated materials have to be clearly false.  You get into various intent issues, etc., but if the material is true...

So for Voss being libeled, if you look at claims made about Voss you would have to check to see if they occurred or not. If they occurred, which would apparently be very easy to verify given all of the written statements Voss himself provided, then no Libel. There doesn't seem to be much room for a "he said, she said" type of thing here.  Also, Voss could possibly be considered a public figure because of his actions as the producer of TAS and his active, outgoing communications. This would make it even harder to win a libel case.

If you look at the claims Voss made about Hitech -- they might not be actionable either. If Voss listed a bunch of feature for TAS, even if he never executed any of them in code or with an actual product, and HTC incorporated some of those features in a real game, it might not be actionable. Hitech might also be considered a public figure, raising the bar.  I seriously doubt it would be worth HTC's resources in any event.

This is all just opinion.  If I have questions I contact my publisher's lawyers :)

Charon

Here's a good general link: http://law.buffalo.edu/Academics/courses/629/computer_law_policy_articles/CompLawPapers/holland.htm
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Post by: Bodhi on July 16, 2004, 10:24:18 AM
Charon, what do you write?
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Post by: Pongo on July 16, 2004, 10:27:02 AM
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Originally posted by streakeagle
On any other message board, anyone who was caught 100% lying about military service was instantly banned for life.

Of course, one or more of the moderators of such forums was usually a veteran or currently serving.

I doubt anyone at HTC has ever served in the military, but it would be greatly appreciated by a veteran like myself if the same policy were followed here.

Being a veteran doesn't automatically make you an honest and honorable man deserving respect, but pretending to be a veteran for personal gain certainly makes you a dishonest bastard deserving no respect. Those with the Christian idea of forgiveness should still understand that while you may forgive someone in your heart, that doesn't excuse them from accountability and punishment for their actions... especially when they are a remorseless SOB. Jesus said forgive, not forgive and forget. On the other hand, if you feel like turning your other cheek, feel free to contact Metatron to find out what you can do to help him finish TAS.

I don't buy into mental illnesses either... to go to an extreme, anyone who would do what Hitler did obviously had some mental/emotional issues, but that doesn't excuse their actions.

Paul Hinds/Voss/Metatron has demonstrated that he will use any means available to impress his own delusions of grandeur on any one he can to satisfy his emotional (and perhaps monetary) needs. Allowing him to participate in any community enables him to continue.


Man thats a great post
There are indeed veterens at HTC. But I think your banishment proclimation would he hard to enforce. I dont know if Skuzzy is a veteran but he certainly respects service a great deal.
 
Comunity is the big issue I think. We may tear each other to ribbons in the game and on this BBS. But honesty is something that we take for granted. Some of the most right wing guys on this board say things that to me seem so twisted as to sound like lies.
I am absolulty sure the same is true of things I say from my POV. But I know that at worst they are picking and choseing facts that support their POV and then maby jumping to a conclusion. So there are real flame fests and hard words passed.
But I know they are honest people that are stretching to make a point and convice an advesary of thier POV. I hope they know the same thing of me.

Voss is totaly different animal. He will utterly lie and then utterly lie repeatedly to try to cover it up. He will lie about anyone that attacks him to anyone that will listen. He will show up here allmost imediatly with a shade account confusing the debate and drawing people into defending his lies.

He is murder for the comunity. Sociopaths are that way.
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Post by: Heater on July 16, 2004, 10:27:03 AM
Well, I heard that this was Voss's New ride. so I would not piss him off to much.

(http://www.xs4all.nl/~heater1/stelth.jpg)
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Post by: DJ111 on July 16, 2004, 10:27:26 AM
(http://www.rich.frb.org/econed/museum/images/confedstockthou.jpg)
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Post by: SirLoin on July 16, 2004, 10:27:27 AM
Yip..Voss lost my support when he claimed HiTech ripped off code/ideas from him.
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Post by: Charon on July 16, 2004, 10:28:15 AM
I cover the petroleum industry, mainly downstream (from the refinery to the local  gas station).

Charon
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Post by: lazs2 on July 16, 2004, 10:31:59 AM
nuttz... I have met ripsnort in person... we got along well and...

I bet he would tell you that the next time I see him I will be giving him a lot of crap for defending and hanging out with that POS voss.

knowing rip... I bet he is gonna feel pretty embarassed by all this soon enough..

Voss knew what he was doing pandering to a squat that is mostly UK guys who are out of the loop and unlikely to run into people who kew voss or knew people who did.

lazs
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Post by: Westy on July 16, 2004, 10:32:35 AM
" KenJr, i believe appologized."

Not to anyone he conned, ripped off, stole from or hoodwinked.

What that conman wrote to the AW community, in response to his being bagged, was something that read like what you can see Voss reply with.  However KenJR never sounded as though he were spewing buile nor did I sense spittle was dripping from his chin as Voss does when he responded.
 His response was empty and sounded like he was blaming other people for his lies and decptions. The outright thievery and ripping off he never apologized or came clean on. So fuff him too.
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Post by: JB73 on July 16, 2004, 10:34:18 AM
wow!

am partially amazed this had the legs for 1k.. with almost no "thread padding" of meaningless "in" comments (propotionatly to the total number of posts).
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Post by: lazs2 on July 16, 2004, 10:36:26 AM
sirloin.. I agree... that is low but.. you can't blame veterans that think he is a POS because of his veteran claims... pilots who think he is a POS because of his pilot lies... code writers because of his code writing lies...  peopel with integrety because the POS is who he is...bussines owners becaus...

and on and on and on...

I can't think of anyone who couldn't be offended by the POS on some level.

lazs
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 16, 2004, 10:38:51 AM
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Originally posted by Smut
[...]

Was winging with DoK last night in Jugs, and we DIDN'T DIE!

-Smut

p.s. Bite me Voss


Ah yes. The P-47 -- The Cadillac Escalade of the Skies.
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Post by: Guppy35 on July 16, 2004, 10:44:41 AM
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Originally posted by NUTTZ
Doing my part also to be in the biggest thread. I've not been involved with this, but have been around threw it. A mention of KenJr was brought up, KenJr, i believe appologized.
one small lie led to another to help fortify the first lie and it snowballed, no harm was done no money taken. appology accepted.

NUTTZ


Like hell he apologized.  I've only been reading this thread, but I can't let that one go.

Old KenJr played victim, like somehow it was all a big mistake.   He sat quiet while his defenders ran to his aid and I took all kinds of heat for having raised the question about the truth or lack therof in his stories.

He's used his stories to try and present himself as some kind of authority on things.  Had folks all wrapped up in the 'memorial flight" for his fictional WW2 father etc.  And as Westy pointed out he had scammed people with the computer stuff etc.

Not long ago we saw he was spewing the same BS about Dad again and called him on it again.  Funny how it came down from his website again cause he knew it was BS.

AS long as you let these guys live behind the lie, it will end up hurting someone.

All it takes for a guy like Voss to get emboldened again, is to see all those folks rushing to his defense, writing it off as the past, or minimizing his actions.  He'll bide his time, and when the opportunity arises he'll try and sucker someone else.

Thankfully the community takes care of itself for the most part, and clearly HTC is letting the AH community police itself  in this case.

Dan/Slack
(+Tiff in AW when all the KenJr stuff went down)
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Post by: Horn on July 16, 2004, 10:47:48 AM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Ah yes. The P-47 -- The Cadillac Escalade of the Skies.


Man, they'll let anyone in here.

WB DoK!

h
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Post by: AWBrat on July 16, 2004, 10:48:16 AM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Geezuz, HT.

Is running a technology start-up in the Bush Economy not challenging enough and you need to risk having your privates fed into a pencil sharpener for thrills?

A Mutual Friend has invited me to visit in Dallas and inspect his latest sim. And if you persist in this slander, I'll be looking for you too. Since moving to Los Angeles I have started to run with an angry gang of Samoans who have converted to Judaism. When a 350-pound Samoan swears at you in Yiddish it is indeed a scary thing. And they have their own ritualistic ways of meting out retribution - like darts dipped in the venom of scorpions with brain tumors who can fly F-16.

:-)

HAR! OiNk! (tm) 4Q!

    -DoK (the one and only - thank Gawd)


Nice job HT...look what you've done now?

Hi DoK...welcome to Los Angeles! If you get bored out here, look me up. We can setup a cage match, my Mexican Mormons vs your Yiddish Somoans. Your guys may be bigger, but my guys can fling Chiclets like nobodys business!

This thread has degenerated into post count central and I still haven't heard from Voss directly...at least in the past he's put up a little bit of a struggle before I splattered him across the internet like a Taco Bell burrito after midnight...

So if you'll excuse me, I'll head back to my cell and count the ceiling tiles.

Take care all...see you in six months when this **** happens again.
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Post by: Westy on July 16, 2004, 10:51:24 AM
Smut and Dok "flying" online?   Now that really makes me want to sign up again in the hopes of running into them.  Not that I've a prayer with my myopic SA but there's always the hope that one small magic BB would find it's mark and I'd score one of flightsimdoms golden fleece hides  :)
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Post by: AWBrat on July 16, 2004, 10:55:30 AM
KILL WESTY!!!
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 16, 2004, 10:57:13 AM
DokG was from WBs and wrote the 190 guide book? Also lived in the land of the Kangaroo or NZ?


I think this thread would have died if a few of the hornets that came here and made utter tulips of themselves had not.


Then again without them, maybe Voss would have come to defend himself more.
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Post by: Pongo on July 16, 2004, 10:58:52 AM
"This thread has degenerated into post count central and I still haven't heard from Voss directly...at least in the past he's put up a little bit of a struggle before I splattered him across the internet like a Taco Bell burrito after midnight...
"
Your not looking hard enought. look back at page 3 or 4
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Post by: Citabria on July 16, 2004, 10:59:57 AM
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Originally posted by GtoRA2


I think this thread would have died if a few of the hornets that came here and made utter tulips of themselves had not.


Then again without them, maybe Voss would have come to defend himself more.


1000 posts in 4 days...
amazing. this is the longest fastest moving thread so far for the ah bbs. the two other high post number/rate ones were "who are you" 720 posts and "these girls need our help" 655 posts

it really is a book now lol

(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/Voss_story.jpg)
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Post by: Jagr on July 16, 2004, 11:00:25 AM
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Originally posted by Mini D
I used to wish people would just drop this whole "Voss/TAS" thing, then Voss started posting on the subject and it became quite clear as to why that should never happen.

This is going to be kinda long... you've been warned.

I was not a TAS beta tester
I was playing WB at the time of the "scam"


I've generated an overall opinion of this situation that seems to vary a bit from what others are trying to portray:

  • In regards to being an "F-16/P-51 pilot":  Voss flies remote control aircraft.  He had a model F-16 and P-51 as well as some others.  He also insisted that flying R/C aircraft gave you extremely accurate incite into the performance characteristics of planes.  This morphed into "I'm an F-16 pilot" and "I own a P-51"
  • I don't recall seeing Voss claim he had 2 PhDs.  I believe it was something that was said about him in an interview with an on-line gaming magazine.  That said, I distinctly remember that Voss never said anything to correct the error.  I have no idea if he actually told the individual that he had 2 PhDs.  Really, only 2 people in the world know the answer to that one.
  • I don't recall anyone losing money through "investments" other than his partner who gave him some computer hardware.  I honestly believe this aspect of things has been exagerated in vitrolic posts.
  • The brain tumor excuse and scorpion bite excuse were actually from Voss.  From what I've seen to date and given the excellent timing of both, I sincerely believe both were lies.
  • Voss was outed by an actual AFA graduate who actually gave voss the bennifit of the doubt at first then recognized the outright lies in regards to military service and decided enough was enough.
  • Voss did present "screenshots" that weren't actually screenshots of a game but simply generated pictures (from what I have no idea).
  • Voss presented a doctored picture of a P-51/pilot where he superimposed his head over the other pilot's in order to prove he had a P-51.
  • Voss claimed to have a game capable of doing things that everyone wanted in a game at the time and has not shown a single line of the code to anyone.  He still maintains that he "invented" aspects of games that in effect translate to being "more realistic" and thus are actually aparent to anyone that knows anything about combat/aircraft/war.
  • Voss did claim that he was friend with someone at the FBI and was going to turn in people for violating their TOS agreement from the beta test period of TAS.
  • Nobody recieved a single beta copy of TAS to steal secrets from.
Voss started "TAS" on the premise that it would be easy to do something that AW and WB were claiming would be extremely difficult (if not impossible at the time) to do.  He lied to get people to support TAS in doing so.  The "TAS will be able to do this... why can't your game?" slams started rolling into both AW and WB threads and called all the programmers to the mat.  Voss loved every minute of it... since he didn't have to do much other than seed the misconceptions with simple harmless lies.

The lies Voss was telling grew out of control, and Voss (being something of an idiot) didn't know when to throw in his hand and began lieing more... only not little white lies... real whoppers.  But that was OK, because he still had some support from those who simply had to believe that AW and WB programmers had their heads up their tulips and a better world did exist.

It finally snapped when Voss simply took it too far and pissed on the wrong people.  That's when Voss disappeared multiple times... citing multiple reasons.

And here we are... watching Voss claim it is everyone else that has it wrong.  He didn't lie, he didn't defraud, he was not the villain people make him out to be.  There is some level of truth to that, as there was to almost every other lie voss told.  That's the truly sad thing about him: he believes that a part truth is not a lie.

MiniD [/B]


Most of the stuff here is fairly accurate..or at least close enough for government work..  I was a TAS beta tester, and I bought an Orchid 3dfx card on a Firday on TAS's word that he was releasing the BETA after compiling it that weeked (which led to the "oh the file corrupted"  that led to a basic bluff calling which led to the famous brain tumor, then the old scorpion bite under my fingernail stories..  from there on it got really sick..

As for your first point..  Voss may fly RC planes..  but his stories of F16 pilotage followed his stories of being an AF Academy grad, having shot down 2 migs in DS, and leaving an F16 canopy with my name on it it the Iraqi desert after he had to punch out of an F16, then when told that the AF actually recrods trivial details like lost F16's and shot down Migs, he said he was living under an assumed name because Iraqi intelligence was after him..thats why he wasn't in the AFA Graduation records etc. etc. etc...

He's a liar..  and a really sick liar..  Personally I bought a 3dfx card about 5 months before I had anything to play on it..while it was at its highest price..  

His usual MO after having his bluff called was to come out on the attack pretty aggressively with a total disinformation campaign and personal attcks as I've seen here..then eventually when enough pressure came to bear he'd make up some really assinine excuse (and post under another handle that Voss is really sick..nearly dead..don't tell anyone but just please stop pushing your point) I'm not sure if his personal low point was pretending to have been a combat fighter pilot, or asking for people to "pray for Voss while he fights cancer under another name..

He's sick..  I was there..I had personal emails with him (under several names actually that detailed both his claims, his counter claims,  and his really sick excuses..  not board posts but emails from his ISP..  I talked personally to the people who "outed him" from his F16 pilot lies.. )
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 16, 2004, 11:01:01 AM
Quote
Originally posted by GtoRA2
DokG was from WBs and wrote the 190 guide book? Also lived in the land of the Kangaroo or NZ?
 


You're thinking of DocDoom.
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Post by: storch on July 16, 2004, 11:02:36 AM
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Originally posted by Pongo
Man thats a great post
There are indeed veterens at HTC. But I think your banishment proclimation would he hard to enforce. I dont know if Skuzzy is a veteran but he certainly respects service a great deal.
 
Comunity is the big issue I think. We may tear each other to ribbons in the game and on this BBS. But honesty is something that we take for granted. Some of the most right wing guys on this board say things that to me seem so twisted as to sound like lies.
I am absolulty sure the same is true of things I say from my POV. But I know that at worst they are picking and choseing facts that support their POV and then maby jumping to a conclusion. So there are real flame fests and hard words passed.
But I know they are honest people that are stretching to make a point and convice an advesary of thier POV. I hope they know the same thing of me.

Voss is totaly different animal. He will utterly lie and then utterly lie repeatedly to try to cover it up. He will lie about anyone that attacks him to anyone that will listen. He will show up here allmost imediatly with a shade account confusing the debate and drawing people into defending his lies.

He is murder for the comunity. Sociopaths are that way.


Stop that Pongo.  you are making sense.  that's atypical of you.  I don't know or care about Voss but the silver lining for me here is a fresh look at folks whose opinion and POV I was ready to dismiss out of hand.  good post.

*empathetic mode off*
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Post by: Pongo on July 16, 2004, 11:07:29 AM
Thats why the contrast is telling. Storch.  You dont have to aggree with someone to respect that they are trying to find the truth.  But its human nature to get pissed at someone who appears to be eloquently spouting gibberish. If they are smart enought to be eloquent why cant they be smart enough to see it your way?
Dishonesty though. Especially pathalogical dishonesty.
What do you do with that?
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 16, 2004, 11:08:26 AM
Yeah, I am confused,

You did the scenrio lights?


I forsure remeber your 4Q sqaud page.
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 16, 2004, 11:09:43 AM
Some of you old time WBs players out remeber Confirmed Kill? I just started a thread about that, what happened with that? Did they ever put out a game or was it all BS?
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Post by: Drex on July 16, 2004, 11:10:26 AM
Look out the barn is open, heya Vila.

Jagr, good to see you bud.  Everything going well with you?

Smut,  Let me know when your online so I can wing with you all and get you killed repeatedly.


Drex
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Post by: SirLoin on July 16, 2004, 11:11:52 AM
I hope this never happens to your squad Lazs..:rolleyes:
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Post by: Westy on July 16, 2004, 11:12:25 AM
Popcorn.....   Tao of Dok.......   popcorn.

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popcorn.....



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(sure wish ole Vosstard would defend himself a bit.  Need a bloody "edge of your seat" finale' to Citabria's book...
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Drex on July 16, 2004, 11:13:57 AM
It wont happen to us under lazs watch.  He's a good PR Officer.

Drex
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Post by: Moose1 on July 16, 2004, 11:14:48 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Geezuz, HT.

Is running a technology start-up in the Bush Economy not challenging enough and you need to risk having your privates fed into a pencil sharpener for thrills?

A Mutual Friend has invited me to visit in Dallas and inspect his latest sim. And if you persist in this slander, I'll be looking for you too. Since moving to Los Angeles I have started to run with an angry gang of Samoans who have converted to Judaism. When a 350-pound Samoan swears at you in Yiddish it is indeed a scary thing. And they have their own ritualistic ways of meting out retribution - like darts dipped in the venom of scorpions with brain tumors who can fly F-16.

:-)

HAR! OiNk! (tm) 4Q!

    -DoK (the one and only - thank Gawd)


Be afraid.  Be VERY afraid.

So who wants to set up the pay-per-view Psychotic (Alleged) Video Game Developer Steel Cage Texas Death Match?

Paul "Voss" Hinds and his imaginary homeboy "Oneman" vs Derek "Battlecruiser 3000" Smart and a Coke machine.

I'd pay for it.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Citabria on July 16, 2004, 11:15:18 AM
yeah wheres voss?

bravely ran away he did.

brave sir VOSS
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 16, 2004, 11:15:31 AM
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Originally posted by Westy
Smut and Dok "flying" online?   Now that really makes me want to sign up again in the hopes of running into them.  Not that I've a prayer with my myopic SA but there's always the hope that one small magic BB would find it's mark and I'd score one of flightsimdoms golden fleece hides  :)


Killing me and getting killed me are two completely different propositions at this point. The Dark Side still serves me well and I find I can still generally get away from anything under 5-to-1 odds. Except when the shrapnel lodged in my skull from fighting in Grenada flares up, of course.

My gunnery still sucks big time. No doubt in some part due to an allergic reaction to a bite from a Peruvian Carpentar Ant on my elbow last Fall. Once the swelling went down I was told I had contracted leprousy and it's hard to shoot when slabs of skin keep sticking to the desk and peeling off when I try to move my arm.

Pray for me.

:rofl

But anyway ... yeah ... I started flying a week or so ago again. Once the "2 Weeks" is up I may try to get my old account reactivated ... or just stay in semi-obscurity (though my new handle isn't that tough to spot).
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Post by: Moose1 on July 16, 2004, 11:16:24 AM
Quote
Originally posted by GtoRA2
Some of you old time WBs players out remeber Confirmed Kill? I just started a thread about that, what happened with that? Did they ever put out a game or was it all BS?


I don't think Domark ever put CK out after the big split.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Pongo on July 16, 2004, 11:16:42 AM
I think other people have been stealing TAS ideas.

(http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/160704/illustrious1.jpg)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: snapperhead on July 16, 2004, 11:24:17 AM
ahh what the hell, I'm still pissed but not pissed enough to show the face.


(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/95_1089994963_dcp_077912.jpg)
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Post by: AWBrat on July 16, 2004, 11:24:55 AM
Geezuz HT...you think you could possibly take off the whole "send email to me when someone replies to this thread" as the default for peoples accounts?

I just opened up Outlook and I have like 300 emails in the past 12 hours...
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Westy on July 16, 2004, 11:26:51 AM
That's what I'm talking about!!!

BTW, who's the guy hiding under the covers behind her?




(off for two weeks vacation later today.  If people returning are still flying AH then I reckon I'll jump in for some getting killed repeatedly too. I was always good for that.)
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 16, 2004, 11:27:33 AM
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Yeah, I am confused,

You did the scenrio lights?


I forsure remeber your 4Q sqaud page.


No.

I created the scenario format in the first place in Air Warrior. Then Jokker asked me to migrate and expand the concept to WB when he started ICI. Which I did.

The last major event I ran was Solomons II in 1997. Even had T-shirts printed for all the participants.

The Lites came later.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on July 16, 2004, 11:28:05 AM
Confirmed Kill was re-released by Eidos later down the road, after WB2.0 I think.

It was called Confirmed Kill II, think it got about 3 or 4 beta releases deep and then was **** canned.

A few years later, it was attempted to be resuscitated... that one flopped and it sunk beneath the waves for its eternal rest.

The CKII release wasn't all that bad, but there was very little to it other than some nice advances in eye candy.
-SW
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Post by: SirLoin on July 16, 2004, 11:29:57 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
yeah wheres voss?

bravely ran away he did.

brave sir VOSS



Hey Clitabria..Congrads on the new BBS record!:D
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: majic on July 16, 2004, 11:32:40 AM
"Derek "Battlecruiser 3000" Smart"

I see him post all the time on another mesage board I frequent.  He has quite a few detractors as well, but not in the same league as Voss.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: GtoRA2 on July 16, 2004, 11:32:56 AM
LOL
 But you did have the 4Q web site?

 Was it Solomons one that went down in the first frame? like huge server crash and got delayed?

I am starting to feel goofy now, but I really did play.


I flew as a SBD pilot in one frame of the Solomons, but then the crash happenend but it may have been a Cali thing.

I remeber @home losing cable modem service in the bay area for like a week or something.


I was with Vf-17 back then, Zollman remebers me!! ;)
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Post by: majic on July 16, 2004, 11:33:52 AM
Quote
Originally posted by AWBrat
Geezuz HT...you think you could possibly take off the whole "send email to me when someone replies to this thread" as the default for peoples accounts?

I just opened up Outlook and I have like 300 emails in the past 12 hours...



:rofl
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Post by: lazs2 on July 16, 2004, 11:33:55 AM
sirloin... as drex said... I am a dilligent and self appointed dictator and public relations officer for the BK's ....

Even as kind and sensitive as I am tho.... If we were bilked into letting voss or anyone half as bad as him into the squad...

He woulda been out the minute this all came out.

Even usless players like drex and leviathn are allowed to soil our reputation  and drag down our scores simply because even tho they lack skill and keep us from our rightful place as the extremely coveted #1 squad and all the respect  that positon entails.... even tho they prevent that...

they are not frigging insane, lying POS's

hope that helps clear this up.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Post by: Citabria on July 16, 2004, 11:42:16 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SirLoin
Hey Clitabria..Congrads on the new BBS record!:D


not me guy.
all i did to start this thread was make this pic and quote greyeagles account of what happened. I had no idea the forest was so dry when i lit the match.

(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/Voss_story.jpg)
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 16, 2004, 11:42:48 AM
Quote
Originally posted by GtoRA2
LOL
 But you did have the 4Q web site?

 Was it Solomons one that went down in the first frame? like huge server crash and got delayed?

 


Yeah ... the load from Sols I blew a gasket on the server and it was decided to not try again until things had been ruggedized and tested and stuff like that there.

All my old AW/WB stuff can still be found linked off of http://www.gonzoville.com ... including the 4Q site.
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 16, 2004, 11:52:04 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
not me guy.
all i did to start this thread was make this pic and quote greyeagles account of what happened. I had no idea the forest was so dry when i lit the match.

(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/Voss_story.jpg)


As long as your kindling is dry, it's gonna light.

Karaya
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Post by: JB73 on July 16, 2004, 11:54:09 AM
Quote
Originally posted by AWBrat
Geezuz HT...you think you could possibly take off the whole "send email to me when someone replies to this thread" as the default for peoples accounts?

I just opened up Outlook and I have like 300 emails in the past 12 hours...
go into "user CP" at the top of the page, in there go to "edit options" and on that page is the radio button:
Use 'Email Notification' by default?

select no.

took me a while to find that one too LOL.

also at the bottom of the "post message" screen is a check box for email noticifation. if you have use by default set to no, you can always enable it for a certain therad by just checking that box.
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Post by: Grits on July 16, 2004, 12:10:39 PM
OK, since we are over 1000 posts, lets recap:

Voss is MetaTron, and is a scumbag, and is in hiding

Hornets are OK, but need to watch their backs

Arlo thinks he would be a good sub for Churchill

Brat is circling waiting for MetaVoss to up so he can vulch him

Deej111 learned how to post pics

DoK is back flying, and is still evil as ever

Did I miss anything?
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Post by: JB73 on July 16, 2004, 12:18:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Grits
OK, since we are over 1000 posts, lets recap:

Voss is MetaTron, and is a scumbag, and is in hiding

Hornets are OK, but need to watch their backs

Arlo thinks he would be a good sub for Churchill

Brat is circling waiting for MetaVoss to up so he can vulch him

Deej111 learned how to post pics

DoK is back flying, and is still evil as ever

Did I miss anything?
add what i (and hopefully others) learned about voss being the ashat of the flight sim culture... thats about is.
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 16, 2004, 12:24:59 PM
I remember Voss's only Oscar Winning role for Best Actor.  "Catch Me If You Can"

Karaya
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Post by: lazs2 on July 16, 2004, 12:30:28 PM
grits... I believe a better summary can be had by playing a round of eskimos game of "scorpions"

lazs
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 16, 2004, 12:33:11 PM
Grits
 You should add.
 HT is good with the whole comunity flaming Voss.
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Post by: Citabria on July 16, 2004, 12:34:32 PM
lol eskimos game just cracks me up

Quote
Originally posted by eskimo2
Now there's a game!

(http://home.neo.rr.com/svea/Voss2.gif)

(http://home.neo.rr.com/svea/gamepieces2.gif)

Play with a single die.  You can't lose!

eskimo
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 16, 2004, 12:35:29 PM
Eskimo,   you need to add an additional PhD square.  He "has" two of them.

Karaya
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Post by: Flit on July 16, 2004, 12:41:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Grits
OK, since we are over 1000 posts, lets recap:

Voss is MetaTron, and is a scumbag, and is in hiding

Hornets are OK, but need to watch their backs

Arlo thinks he would be a good sub for Churchill

Brat is circling waiting for MetaVoss to up so he can vulch him

Deej111 learned how to post pics

DoK is back flying, and is still evil as ever

Did I miss anything?

 and Let's not forget that Voss claims HT stole from him
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Post by: culero on July 16, 2004, 12:47:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by NUTTZ
Doing my part also to be in the biggest thread. I've not been involved with this, but have been around threw it. A mention of KenJr was brought up, KenJr, i believe appologized.
one small lie led to another to help fortify the first lie and it snowballed, no harm was done no money taken. appology accepted.
snip


Nah, Dave, KenJr did his own share of ripping money off, too, from several people we know about. He also caused Stil a little real-world grief during the setup for the San Francisco AWCon, by promising to supply some boxes for use there then being a no-show. There was also harm a-plenty caused to the AW community by the ****-storm that followed his "outing" and the circumstances that existed at the time.

He was more pathetic than Voss by far, but for sure was harmful.

culero
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Post by: culero on July 16, 2004, 12:52:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
There can be only one.


Prove it. Post yer picture.

culero ~runs like hell~ ;)
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 16, 2004, 12:56:48 PM
Quote
Originally posted by culero
Prove it. Post yer picture.

culero ~runs like hell~ ;)


Bite me.
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Post by: Smut on July 16, 2004, 01:01:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by snapperhead
ahh what the hell, I'm still pissed but not pissed enough to show the face.


(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/95_1089994963_dcp_077912.jpg)


We have TOE!

(sorry, my Smut personna made me say that...)

-Smut
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Post by: Moose1 on July 16, 2004, 01:02:58 PM
Quote
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by culero
Prove it. Post yer picture.

culero ~runs like hell~  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Bite me


If that doesn't prove it's DoK, what will?
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Post by: NUTTZ on July 16, 2004, 01:03:32 PM
Thanx for filling me in, I was only aware of the 'B-17" incident, and the comp stuff.

as for you, you flying AH anymore?
NUTTZ


Quote
Originally posted by culero
Nah, Dave, KenJr did his own share of ripping money off, too, from several people we know about. He also caused Stil a little real-world grief during the setup for the San Francisco AWCon, by promising to supply some boxes for use there then being a no-show. There was also harm a-plenty caused to the AW community by the ****-storm that followed his "outing" and the circumstances that existed at the time.

He was more pathetic than Voss by far, but for sure was harmful.

culero
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Post by: Smut on July 16, 2004, 01:03:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Drex

Smut,  Let me know when your online so I can wing with you all and get you killed repeatedly.


Drex


That's one thing I seem to be pretty good at on my own...

...but yeah, I'll fly with ya dude.

:)

-Smut
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Post by: Smut on July 16, 2004, 01:06:23 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
The last major event I ran was Solomons II in 1997. Even had T-shirts printed for all the participants.
 


I never did get my shirt. :p

-Smut
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Post by: Arlo on July 16, 2004, 01:07:13 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Guppy35
Like hell he apologized.  I've only been reading this thread, but I can't let that one go.

Old KenJr played victim, like somehow it was all a big mistake.   He sat quiet while his defenders ran to his aid and I took all kinds of heat for having raised the question about the truth or lack therof in his stories.

He's used his stories to try and present himself as some kind of authority on things.  Had folks all wrapped up in the 'memorial flight" for his fictional WW2 father etc.  And as Westy pointed out he had scammed people with the computer stuff etc.

Not long ago we saw he was spewing the same BS about Dad again and called him on it again.  Funny how it came down from his website again cause he knew it was BS.

AS long as you let these guys live behind the lie, it will end up hurting someone.

All it takes for a guy like Voss to get emboldened again, is to see all those folks rushing to his defense, writing it off as the past, or minimizing his actions.  He'll bide his time, and when the opportunity arises he'll try and sucker someone else.

Thankfully the community takes care of itself for the most part, and clearly HTC is letting the AH community police itself  in this case.

Dan/Slack
(+Tiff in AW when all the KenJr stuff went down)


And good for you, Dan. Piss on KenJr. I remember how my first inclination when that happened was to play "devil's advocate" and to stand up for the slimeball until he could have his say. And stand ...... and stand ...... and wait ......

Never again. The pathological mold is now an obvious one. Can be spotted a mile away. It'll become second nature, eventually, to those being dumbarses here and now.
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Post by: Arlo on July 16, 2004, 01:09:10 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Westy
Smut and Dok "flying" online?   Now that really makes me want to sign up again in the hopes of running into them.  Not that I've a prayer with my myopic SA but there's always the hope that one small magic BB would find it's mark and I'd score one of flightsimdoms golden fleece hides  :)


I'll wing with ya and maybe buy you (and hopefully me) an extra 5 seconds. :D
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Post by: Arlo on July 16, 2004, 01:12:43 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SirLoin
I hope this never happens to your squad Lazs..:rolleyes:


I hope it never happens to anyone's (but it probably will). Furthermore .... I hope the Hornets have actually survived this debacle somewhat intact and wiser.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Capt. Pork on July 16, 2004, 01:14:08 PM
Smut, who's on your avatar?
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Post by: Citabria on July 16, 2004, 01:14:32 PM
hey brat dokgonzo and you others not ussually around how did you find out about this thread? is there a voss detection network setup? so when he is found he can be smashed back into hiding by the origional people who were there?

hehe if so that rocks.
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Post by: Arlo on July 16, 2004, 01:16:53 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GtoRA2

I was with Vf-17 back then, Zollman remebers me!! ;)


That's right. We still have to get you a uniform. Most of our members have shot down zeros in real life, yaknow.
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Post by: Arlo on July 16, 2004, 01:17:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
not me guy.
all i did to start this thread was make this pic and quote greyeagles account of what happened. I had no idea the forest was so dry when i lit the match.

(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/Voss_story.jpg)


Posting the pic once per page is enough, Cit. :lol
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Naso on July 16, 2004, 01:22:06 PM
How's the bet gone?

;)
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 16, 2004, 01:23:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
hey brat dokgonzo and you others not ussually around how did you find out about this thread? is there a voss detection network setup? so when he is found he can be smashed back into hiding by the origional people who were there?

hehe if so that rocks.


I have a friend at the NSA who alerts me whenever my name is being taken in vain.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Citabria on July 16, 2004, 01:23:54 PM
but im like really proud of it arlo haha.
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Post by: Citabria on July 16, 2004, 01:25:04 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I have a friend at the NSA who alerts me whenever my name is being taken in vain.


great I just spewed coke all over my laptop screen lol
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 16, 2004, 01:26:01 PM
tick tick tick tick tick  This just in............
Frito Lay and Pace Picante sauce stock up two points since the start of this thread.
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Post by: Grits on July 16, 2004, 01:40:02 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Moose1
If that doesn't prove it's DoK, what will?


Not to mention that not even the most pathalogical liar like MetaVoss would have the nads to impersonate DoK.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: GtoRA2 on July 16, 2004, 01:44:29 PM
LOL Arlo! were can I find a real zero to shoot down! ;)
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Post by: Grimm on July 16, 2004, 01:45:13 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
hey brat dokgonzo and you others not ussually around how did you find out about this thread? is there a voss detection network setup?

hehe if so that rocks.


Fester,  Shoot me an Email and Ill give you the inside track.   (in my sig line)
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 16, 2004, 01:47:13 PM
LOL Grimm
is there really a Voss detection network then?:D
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: AWBrat on July 16, 2004, 01:47:37 PM
I'm the keeper of the online flightsim community alert status...

Whenever Voss opens his fat squealing mouth we go straight to red...a strike team of bull**** detection specialists are scrambled and google search engines go into overdrive. I'm usually the last one on scene with a big roll of that yellow crime scene tape and a giant piece of chalk to draw the outline of the body when it's all done...which is usually follwed by me drawing funny faces on him and giving him large breasts and a moustache.

As for DoK...that's an easy one...you ever see the movie Beetlejuice?

HT said his name once...I just slid it in a couple more times and WHAMO!

I tried using that trick at a bar once when I was bored...after I said his name the third time...the only thing that happened was some drunk fell off a barstool mumbling something about "blood pig"

/shrug

Edit: stupid email notification option!!!
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 16, 2004, 01:47:54 PM
Either stop reposting the pic of that pitifull child or let`s pitch in and buy her some Clearasil.
  Snapperhead, go pop that Mt Everest of a pimple on her flight deck of a chest, would ya?
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Post by: Supe on July 16, 2004, 02:16:05 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Redd
Quote
Originally posted by Vila

And still more "old fella's"  popping in to say hello

Mate, the 38 is pretty good here they tell me, you might like it.


G'day !


Redd [/B]


That P38 is the death of me. It probably would be good if I could remember how to fly...

It's funny to see all the old Flying Pigs come back on after years, and people like Vila, DoK and (not so much) myself having 20 posts between us. Heh. "Junior members" is sort of funny to see by Vila and DoK.

Supe
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Post by: Smut on July 16, 2004, 03:15:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Smut, who's on your avatar?


Jolene Blalock

Yeah I'm a geek.

-Smut
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Post by: Montezuma on July 16, 2004, 03:16:56 PM
This thread should be a sticky.
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Post by: DeadDuck on July 16, 2004, 03:30:07 PM
Let me chime in here.  There is a good reason to have threads like this.  A lot of light and noise makes it hard for vermin like Voss and Kenjr to hide.  One of my big regrets of AW was that we didnt jump on Kenjr sooner.  Several of us knew his whole B17 story was bogus, but we wrote it off as a troll.

Its a good thing to make sure that snakes cant slither under the door.

DD

p.s.  Hey all
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Post by: AWBrat on July 16, 2004, 03:38:23 PM
Quack! Gangs all here...

WTF is Slug..that's who we're missing...
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Post by: GreenCloud on July 16, 2004, 03:39:55 PM
lmfao...nice board game...
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Citabria on July 16, 2004, 03:42:19 PM
hey grimm wheres that email I gotta hear all about the VOSS detection system hehe.
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Post by: Avenger on July 16, 2004, 03:49:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
hey brat dokgonzo and you others not ussually around how did you find out about this thread? is there a voss detection network setup? so when he is found he can be smashed back into hiding by the origional people who were there?

hehe if so that rocks.


Yes there is but further deployments are going to have to be under a revised sop. Something needs to be done about fng dolts mistaking some of us for voss because we hate voss. Explain the logic in that.
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Post by: Grimm on July 16, 2004, 03:49:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DeadDuck


p.s.  Hey all


Hey DD
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Post by: Grimm on July 16, 2004, 03:52:01 PM
Fester,  
Mail is sent.

Of course If in event you are captured the president will disavow any knowledge of that mail.   ;)

Hey,  this is just like the old Mad Magazine stuff,  Spy vs Spy  ;)

Which Spy is Voss??
Title: from 4Q:
Post by: Octavius on July 16, 2004, 04:00:18 PM
(http://www.gonzoville.com/DoK/4Q/images/airwarpier.gif)

rofl!!!
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 16, 2004, 04:16:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Smut
Jolene Blalock

Yeah I'm a geek.

-Smut


I thought it was. She's one of my favorites.
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Post by: Grits on July 16, 2004, 04:20:34 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DeadDuck
DD

p.s.  Hey all


QUACK!!

MetaVoss is really in trouble now, he has an ill tempered water foul after him.

Gonna have to mark this day on my calendar, both DoK and DD chimed in. I almost feel like I'm back in the dark recesses of the GEnie Air Warrior Forum.

Any chance we might see ya up flying DD?
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Post by: airbumba on July 16, 2004, 04:27:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Nash
DoK.... This has always bothered me....

Beach Volleyball..... For or Against?



I'm for it, I married a beach volleyball star, her name was Sandy Crack.
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Post by: airbumba on July 16, 2004, 04:30:16 PM
Charon, if u have time could u email me with your email addy, I have some questions about writing and publishing.

Thanks in advance.


andrew_pro@yahoo.com
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Post by: Arlo on July 16, 2004, 05:03:16 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GtoRA2
LOL Arlo! were can I find a real zero to shoot down! ;)


Or maybe it's "All of us have shot down zero airplanes in real life." :confused:
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Post by: Arlo on July 16, 2004, 05:05:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Avenger
Yes there is but further deployments are going to have to be under a revised sop. Something needs to be done about fng dolts mistaking some of us for voss because we hate voss. Explain the logic in that.


Cause you're Voss, dammit. Just accept it! ;)
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Post by: Darkish on July 16, 2004, 05:23:39 PM
What a totally absorbing read.

Read through the thread and relevant links once, and I am left with the following thoughts.

Paul Voss has an extremely low opinion of himself and his achievements in life so far.  Unfortunately his initially successful attempts to enrich his standing with those he considers peers, reinforced a pattern of self-denial and pathological lying, spiralling hopelessly out of control and ending in flames.  People got burnt.  A lesson was learnt by the flight sim community, but not, it appears, by Voss.  
This thread has drawn the interest and contribution of some names - reminded me of "Excession"  Iain M Banks - and lended some heavy hitting authority to statements made.

The 418th Hornets are quick to defend a perceived attack on their squadron's honour, tactics or game play & rightly so: but only a couple have stepped up to actively defend their squad mate.  I am left with the impression that by defending Voss's actions the question of his current identity has been resolved.   The defence questioning his identity was far more effective, but the man himself laid that to rest.  I will be interested in the CO's reaction.

I would have liked to have seen more of a fight but I guess you can't have everything.  Thanks for this thread, it was all news to me and needs to be known.  Named and Shamed - sorted.

p.s. excuse sig, normally post in bug forum :D
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Post by: DeadDuck on July 16, 2004, 05:32:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Grits
QUACK!!

MetaVoss is really in trouble now, he has an ill tempered water foul after him.

Gonna have to mark this day on my calendar, both DoK and DD chimed in. I almost feel like I'm back in the dark recesses of the GEnie Air Warrior Forum.

Any chance we might see ya up flying DD?


Always a chance, but the amount of effort it would require to get up the first time currently exceeds my motivational index by about a factor of 10:p

DD
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Post by: SLO on July 16, 2004, 05:48:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Darkish
What a totally absorbing read.

I would have liked to have seen more of a fight but I guess you can't have everything.  


Me too....and I was just gettin warmed up :D
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Post by: Arlo on July 16, 2004, 05:57:43 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
Me too....and I was just gettin warmed up :D


If you mean your tactics of boring people to tears or inducing pity in others were actually the first stages of a cunning and devious plan then I wish you could have warmed up faster than a degree a day or so. :D
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Post by: Citabria on July 16, 2004, 05:59:12 PM
I'm asuming metaVOSS has asumed a new identity and game handle by now... any guesses on his next callsign?
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Post by: Ack-Ack on July 16, 2004, 06:01:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Did Voss ever tell any of you guys about his movie career?

(http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/filmes/scorpion-king/scorpion-king-poster02.jpg)



You need to change The Rock into The Voss/Metatron and change the title to Red Scorpion King.


ack-ack
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 16, 2004, 06:02:12 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
Me too....and I was just gettin warmed up :D


Dunno, SLO, don't sell yourself short, if your goal was to drop your pants and show your bare arse for the world to laugh at, you warmed up REAL friggin' quick! :rofl

Zazen
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Post by: Arlo on July 16, 2004, 06:06:10 PM
Hmmmm .... can we have 5 guesses for the pot?

Vipe007
Stinger
Festard
Notvoss
AntiCit
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 16, 2004, 06:08:11 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
Hmmmm .... can we have 5 guesses for the pot?

Vipe007
Stinger
Festard
Notvoss
AntiCit


My bet would be on the potatonet Voss hero worhip club's mantra...


SUCKAS

It has kind of a double meaning, especially if he added an additional 'S' ;)

Zazen
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Post by: SLO on July 16, 2004, 06:08:22 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
tactics of boring people to tears or inducing pity



man....from what dimension are you from
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Post by: SLO on July 16, 2004, 06:09:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Zazen13
Dunno, SLO, if your goal was to drop your pants and show your bare arse for the world to laugh at, you warmed up REAL friggin' quick! :rofl

Zazen


you seem to make alot of references on the Gay side.....

are you a gay Zazen?
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Post by: Zazen13 on July 16, 2004, 06:11:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
you seem to make alot of references on the Gay side.....

are you a gay Zazen?


Nothing particularly gay about you showing your arse to all of us. It's not like we WANTED to see your skinny hairless rump. ;)

Zazen
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Post by: AWBrat on July 16, 2004, 06:12:15 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
Hmmmm .... can we have 5 guesses for the pot?

Vipe007
Stinger
Festard
Notvoss
AntiCit


What about BLO?
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Post by: Ack-Ack on July 16, 2004, 06:13:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
yeah wheres voss?

bravely ran away he did.

brave sir VOSS



Didn't you know?  His hemorroids...err I mean brain cancer flared up again and is in his death bed.  But we're all going to be going over to his house and wash his warbirds for him and finally play that TAS beta he promised to release oh so many years ago.  Ironman and Oneman are going to be buying the beer.



ack-ack
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Post by: Ack-Ack on July 16, 2004, 06:15:40 PM
Quote
Originally posted by snapperhead



(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/95_1089994963_dcp_077912.jpg)




Voss is a chick?



ack-ack
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Post by: Slash27 on July 16, 2004, 06:18:53 PM
man....from what dimension are you from

Texas
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Post by: Ack-Ack on July 16, 2004, 06:21:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GtoRA2
LOL Grimm
is there really a Voss detection network then?:D



Yeah, it's called BW.



ack-ack
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Post by: Arlo on July 16, 2004, 06:30:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
man....from what dimension are you from


The normal one you occasionally visit.
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Post by: Guppy35 on July 16, 2004, 06:39:34 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
I'm asuming metaVOSS has asumed a new identity and game handle by now... any guesses on his next callsign?


Something people will recognize immediatley cause that guy gets his rocks off thinking he matters regardless.  

He wouldn't be able to stand not being known.

In some respects I would guess he's loved this entire thread in a sick sort of way

Dan/Slack
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Post by: Nash on July 16, 2004, 06:46:16 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
I'm asuming metaVOSS has asumed a new identity and game handle by now... any guesses on his next callsign?


TenMan
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Post by: Bodhi on July 16, 2004, 06:48:48 PM
You think this thread will break 2000?
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Post by: Torque on July 16, 2004, 06:49:27 PM
It should be named "Moby Dick".
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Post by: NUTTZ on July 16, 2004, 07:11:37 PM
SORRY  I couldn't resist
(http://mysite.verizon.net/vze89ceb/vossdork.jpg)

NUTTZ
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Post by: Urchin on July 16, 2004, 07:27:17 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SirLoin
Yip..Voss lost my support when he claimed HiTech ripped off code/ideas from him.


I KNEW you were a good guy Sirloin :).
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Post by: Estes on July 16, 2004, 07:32:18 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
I'm asuming metaVOSS has asumed a new identity and game handle by now... any guesses on his next callsign?


I seen him in the MA just 5 minutes ago as MetaTron
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Post by: Urchin on July 16, 2004, 07:40:02 PM
This is the thread that never ends my friends, this is the thread that never ends....
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Post by: Drifter1234 on July 16, 2004, 07:44:55 PM
A few more replies and it is almost deserving of its own forum status.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 16, 2004, 08:11:38 PM
OK ... I couldn't resist either.

(http://www.gonzoville.com/FILEZ/vossidentity2.jpg)
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Post by: Nash on July 16, 2004, 08:13:39 PM
lol... the small print is gold.
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Post by: airbumba on July 16, 2004, 08:19:39 PM
'Filmed in Tumorvision'


:rofl
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 16, 2004, 08:34:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
OK ... I couldn't resist either.

(http://www.gonzoville.com/FILEZ/vossidentity2.jpg)


ROTFLMAO,
Awesome job!

He has a book, a board game, and now a movie (STARRING MATT DAMON!!!).  

eskimo
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 16, 2004, 08:34:58 PM
a handle that would work would be: Cmntysqueak
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 16, 2004, 08:38:45 PM
Here’s the entire collection so far:

(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/Voss_story.jpg)

(http://home.neo.rr.com/svea/Voss2.gif)

(http://home.neo.rr.com/svea/gamepieces2.gif)

(http://www.gonzoville.com/FILEZ/vossidentity2.jpg)

(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/whiner.jpg)

eskimo
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Post by: Drunky on July 16, 2004, 09:20:05 PM
I was going to start a new thread stating I Can Prove Everything Voss Has Said Is True (ala my Mr. Black is a Sniper and I Can Prove It thread) but enough has probably been said already.
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Post by: Rino on July 16, 2004, 09:53:19 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
I'm asuming metaVOSS has asumed a new identity and game handle by now... any guesses on his next callsign?


Mighty Morphing Power Psycho? ;0
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 16, 2004, 11:21:25 PM
Man, this sucks coming down off of this thread; knowing that there probably will never be a better or longer thread ever.  It’s kind of sad that it’s lost its steam in some ways…

I sure wish that Voss would create another online identity to defend himself so that we could play “Whack a Mole” some more.  Or perhaps one of his “MiniVoss” cult followers might get a 64th wind and chime in supporting his furor.

Then again, maybe someone will make a Voss song or pull string toy.

eskimo
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Post by: DrDea on July 16, 2004, 11:36:40 PM
Folds up the lawn chair.Wow that was refreshing.:aok
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Post by: Trell on July 16, 2004, 11:39:18 PM
Hey doc,  I could have sworn that you were now in the old tucks,  What, did you try stealing shamus's plane again?
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Pooh21 on July 17, 2004, 02:38:39 AM
Wow a picture of a three breasted woman, this thread has it all.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Citabria on July 17, 2004, 06:05:11 AM
Quote
Originally posted by eskimo2
ROTFLMAO,
Awesome job!

He has a book, a board game, and now a movie (STARRING MATT DAMON!!!).  

eskimo


don't forget his three multibillion dollar companies currently hiring hundreds of people, all run as subsidiaries of his primary corporation....
THE VOSS VAPORWARE FLIGHTSIM DEVELOPMENT COMPANY
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Post by: culero on July 17, 2004, 08:28:08 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Moose1
If that doesn't prove it's DoK, what will?


Ya think? :)

culero
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Post by: culero on July 17, 2004, 08:32:16 AM
Quote
Originally posted by NUTTZ
Thanx for filling me in, I was only aware of the 'B-17" incident, and the comp stuff.

as for you, you flying AH anymore?
NUTTZ


Yeah, mostly scenarios, but I also pop in the MA to make sure each patch hasn't porked me and sometimes to goof for a while. No worries, I'm still as much of a dweeb as I ever was :p

culero
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 17, 2004, 10:16:21 AM
So here lies the one known as VOSS
  Stinking, moldy and covered in moss
  His whole life was a sham
  He lived just to scam

  Scorpions, heart attacks, tumors and more
  His lies were cheap as potato
  A flight sim consisting of only smoke
  He turned himself into a really big joke

  Ironman, Oneman, GPreddy and VOSSie himself
  One at a time , all put on the shelf
  All of the many pathetic personalites
  You need some new pants, You`ve wore out the knees

  So I ask my l`il scorpion boy
  What is planned for your next ploy
  Bring it on back you scumbag seed
  And once again your salad will be tossed indeed
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Post by: DrDea on July 17, 2004, 10:48:25 AM
Worse Trell.I pooped in the cockpit.Remember when he used my 109 for a planter?Paybacks.Actually Im kinda outta the loop for right now.I'll be back in there shortly tho.  
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Post by: Trell on July 17, 2004, 11:03:57 AM
I keep saying the same thing:)  One of these days    I am going to have to swipe my pedels back from Shamus and try it again.  Just time for me has been really tight.
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Post by: Heater on July 17, 2004, 11:13:16 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DeadDuck

DD

p.s.  Hey all



Damn...Long Long time mate, Hows life?
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Post by: snapperhead on July 17, 2004, 01:51:42 PM
Wow its been like 2 hours and no one has posted.
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 17, 2004, 01:53:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by snapperhead
Wow its been like 2 hours and no one has posted.


Postpotato :p

Karaya
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Post by: Grizzly on July 17, 2004, 03:06:41 PM
Wow! A party at HiTech's house and nobody invited me. Had to say a few words though, not about Voss, you guys are doing fine there.

Brat has returned, IMO in even better form than ever. And the most infamous of all, DoK Gonzo. You even got DeadDuck to drag his tail feathers in here. And HT, Westy, Arlo, Kelly and all... Hiyas all, I've been reading this thread with tears of laughter. Ah, the memories! Fester, I don't know if you know all these guys (there's more in the woodwork) but they are your kind of folk. These are some of the demented characters that helped create a virtual world of delicious. glorious hate and laughter. May it live for eternity.

grizzly
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Post by: DeadDuck on July 17, 2004, 05:08:35 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Heater
Damn...Long Long time mate, Hows life?


Heater!  I'm doing fairly well:)  How are you doing?  I really am tempted to try to fly again.  

DD
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 17, 2004, 05:22:06 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You need to change The Rock into The Voss/Metatron and change the title to Red Scorpion King.


ack-ack


I was gonna do it but then a scorpion bit me..
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Post by: Citabria on July 17, 2004, 05:32:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Grizzly
Wow! A party at HiTech's house and nobody invited me. Had to say a few words though, not about Voss, you guys are doing fine there.

Brat has returned, IMO in even better form than ever. And the most infamous of all, DoK Gonzo. You even got DeadDuck to drag his tail feathers in here. And HT, Westy, Arlo, Kelly and all... Hiyas all, I've been reading this thread with tears of laughter. Ah, the memories! Fester, I don't know if you know all these guys (there's more in the woodwork) but they are your kind of folk. These are some of the demented characters that helped create a virtual world of delicious. glorious hate and laughter. May it live for eternity.

grizzly


yeah after watching brat unleash that shtstorm on voss that had me laughing my arnold off I'd have to agree.
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Post by: Grimm on July 17, 2004, 06:32:02 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Grizzly
Fester, I don't know if you know all these guys (there's more in the woodwork) but they are your kind of folk.  


See Fester,  You really should come over to Voss Detection society (BW)    ;)
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Post by: Citabria on July 17, 2004, 07:14:23 PM
hey grimm send me another email with the info on it i accidently deleted my inbox messages before moving the ones i needed to keep.
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Post by: Munkii on July 17, 2004, 07:33:28 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
hey grimm send me another email with the info on it i accidently deleted my inbox messages before moving the ones i needed to keep.


Is BW still on it's own server or are the Krait's hosting it now?  I can't remember the server info.  Someone shoot an e-mail too me please.  munkii@gmail.com
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Post by: Horn on July 17, 2004, 07:52:47 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Munkii
Is BW still on it's own server or are the Krait's hosting it now?  I can't remember the server info.  Someone shoot an e-mail too me please.  munkii@gmail.com


done
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Post by: AWmoggy on July 17, 2004, 08:32:51 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AWBrat
KILL WESTY!!!


that's my line, Cupcake.


so, what does one use for joysticks and throttles, etc., these days?

-moggy
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Post by: NUKE on July 17, 2004, 08:36:07 PM
now Moggy is here too...hehe, this is the king of all threads. :)

Be cool if some more AW airfields stopped by.
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Post by: Drifter1234 on July 17, 2004, 08:39:19 PM
Whoa,

We are not worthy.  (In Best Garth Impersonation)
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 17, 2004, 08:41:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AWmoggy
that's my line, Cupcake.


so, what does one use for joysticks and throttles, etc., these days?

-moggy


 WOOT! It`s complete now. Moggy is here. :D
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Post by: Lizking on July 17, 2004, 08:41:33 PM
Yeah, the only other time I have seen this many of these old ladies was when WB purged the free accounts and they came out of the woodwork to piss and moan about losing the free accounts they hadn't played on in years.


Dok
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 17, 2004, 08:47:12 PM
Quote
Originally posted by NUKE
now Moggy is here too...hehe, this is the king of all threads. :)

Be cool if some more AW airfields stopped by.


 LMAO Seems like I spent  95% of my time going from Twi To Mog...................Oh wait.............I did . :D
  When is the last time anyone heard from our AW DEA agent, Bill?
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Post by: Stang on July 17, 2004, 08:47:26 PM
OMFG!!!!!! BEST POST EVAR!!!!!

Fester. yer killing me dude... the faint picture of the scorpion on the book cover got me laughing so hard i'm in tears on the ground banging my fist on the desk!!  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Post by: Ack-Ack on July 17, 2004, 09:03:28 PM
Quote
Originally posted by NUTTZ
SORRY  I couldn't resist
(http://mysite.verizon.net/vze89ceb/vossdork.jpg)

NUTTZ



A kill has been recorded...




ack-ack
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Post by: culero on July 17, 2004, 09:03:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AWmoggy
that's my line, Cupcake.


so, what does one use for joysticks and throttles, etc., these days?

-moggy


What's best ain't changed (CH) except I hear that people like the new USB versions.

culero (still using the old gear)
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Post by: Ack-Ack on July 17, 2004, 09:07:53 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
LMAO Seems like I spent  95% of my time going from Twi To Mog...................Oh wait.............I did . :D
  When is the last time anyone heard from our AW DEA agent, Bill?




Haven't heard from Bill= in a few years now but we've still got him on the 479th roster for when he decides to come back.



ack-ack
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Post by: DrDea on July 17, 2004, 09:13:53 PM
Jesus Moggy!!!  Where the heck did YOU come from  
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Post by: Meatwad on July 17, 2004, 09:53:35 PM
Longest thread ever on this BBS!
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Post by: AWmoggy on July 17, 2004, 09:57:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DrDea
Jesus Moggy!!!  Where the heck did YOU come from  


Where did I come from?  One night, long ago, dad got mom drunk...

"Jesus Moggy".  I like that - think the handle is taken?

-moggy
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Post by: AWmoggy on July 17, 2004, 10:00:02 PM
Quote
Originally posted by culero
What's best ain't changed (CH) except I hear that people like the new USB versions.

culero (still using the old gear)



never really like the CH stuff all that much.  I still have a couple of TMaster Pros with the 20 lb springs, but they're in storage in Denver...

-moggy
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Post by: DrDea on July 17, 2004, 10:20:31 PM
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Post by: Flit on July 17, 2004, 10:29:28 PM
Wow, hiya Moggy
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Post by: Grits on July 17, 2004, 10:37:28 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AWmoggy
never really like the CH stuff all that much.  I still have a couple of TMaster Pros with the 20 lb springs, but they're in storage in Denver...

-moggy


Howdy Moggy. Yup, now this thread is complete.

I never liked the CH stuff back in the day, but the new TM stuff is junk. When I decided to start flying online again this Jan I went all CH Pro USB stuff. Six months of hard use and it all looks, feels, and works like brand new. Some dont like the light springs in the CH sticks, but since I had not used a joystick in 8 years, it was not hard to adapt and now I wouldn't have anything else.
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Post by: Staga on July 17, 2004, 11:20:32 PM
Well it's been a while since AW n00bs were falling from the skies of AH...  Ahh those memories :)

(yeah I've been drinking for last 12 hours but I'm Finn so forgive me).
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 17, 2004, 11:43:35 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Haven't heard from Bill= in a few years now but we've still got him on the 479th roster for when he decides to come back.



ack-ack


  Yea, I don`t know if he`s still running the NE TX Task Force in Longview or not. I haven`t heard from him in a long, long while.
  l
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Post by: DJ111 on July 18, 2004, 12:40:55 AM
(http://www.razorwax.com/kjetil/webpic.jpg)


OH MY COD!!
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Rafe35 on July 18, 2004, 12:42:57 AM
ROFL!!! :D :D :D :lol
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Post by: Seeker on July 18, 2004, 01:29:02 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DeadDuck
Heater!  I'm doing fairly well:)  How are you doing?  I really am tempted to try to fly again.  

DD



I'd be really tempted to shoot you if you did......

:)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: airbumba on July 18, 2004, 02:31:41 AM
Piece of cake!
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Post by: Orig on July 18, 2004, 02:32:45 AM
Moggy,

I have a saitek x36/x35 joystick/throttle setup and I like it.  It connects via either usb or jstick port and I use it with USB.  Saitek finally redid their stick programming utility so it actually makes sense.

I am also using analog ch pedals which are hooked up to the joystick port with an analog wheel.  AH is smart enough that even with all these controllers, I can still select what axis I want to use for what and it all works.

I've had the saitek for a couple of years and although I'm not too rough on sticks, this is one of the first I've found that hasn't gotten all sloppy at the center point.  I don't know how the newer saitek stick/throttle setups work but if they're anything like the x36/x35 they ought to be fine.  Lots of buttons, hat switches, a switch that can be programmed to be like a mouse, an analog rocker and 2 digital/analog wheels on the throttle, etc etc.  The programming tool (mine is version 3.2.x) is fairly easy to use now and it works under winXP.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: DrDea on July 18, 2004, 02:35:19 AM
CH Pro pedals and the CH Fighter stick.Ya cant lose.....well,ya CAN get shot down but ya cant lose.:aok
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 18, 2004, 02:41:53 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Lizking
Yeah, the only other time I have seen this many of these old ladies was when WB purged the free accounts and they came out of the woodwork to piss and moan about losing the free accounts they hadn't played on in years.


Dok


A promise is a promise, and a deal is a deal. You obviously have no clue how much time some of us put in for those free accounts. ICI got a huge bargain.

Now you best get back to your poodle before the lube gets all dried up.
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 18, 2004, 07:53:17 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
A promise is a promise, and a deal is a deal. You obviously have no clue how much time some of us put in for those free accounts. ICI got a huge bargain.

Now you best get back to your poodle before the lube gets all dried up.


ROFLMAO
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: DipStick on July 18, 2004, 08:04:27 AM
Must say this is the funniest thread I've read anywhere. Lots of good laughs for a long night a work. Thanks to all the artist relief too. Good stuff.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Lizking on July 18, 2004, 08:48:53 AM
Sure I do, Dok.  I STILL have a free account.

ps-it is a Basingi, not a poodle, they make me itch.
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Post by: 2shad4u on July 18, 2004, 10:51:31 AM
whoa 24 pages and i think 1108 post if im right....all i got to say is whoa, i dont even know what its about:eek:
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Post by: Arlo on July 18, 2004, 10:58:42 AM
The following is a public service announcement for those who really don't know what it's about:
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/VOSSpsa.gif)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: 2shad4u on July 18, 2004, 11:11:11 AM
lol you guys have to much free time and i was wrong this is now post 1183
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Post by: straffo on July 18, 2004, 11:15:00 AM
My god Arlos stop making your art with your old 386 and it's CGA card.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: 2shad4u on July 18, 2004, 11:17:02 AM
i know this is off topic but by the looks of it this is where i might get the most replies. now for a quick computer question, i had a p2 computer which i could not upgrade to play ah2, so i went out and got a used p3 with a gforce2 mx400 vid card 64mb, and 128mb system ram. i was wondering if i could take the stick of ram out my old computer and put it into this one, is it possible?

                                                        thanks,
                                                               2shad4u
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Post by: Arlo on July 18, 2004, 11:23:25 AM
Quote
Originally posted by straffo
My god Arlos stop making your art with your old 386 and it's CGA card.


(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/Pierre.gif)
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Post by: DrDea on July 18, 2004, 11:29:52 AM
That gforce 2 400 MX isnt going to cut it.I also doubt if the ram will be interchangable.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Capt. Pork on July 18, 2004, 11:31:27 AM
Arlo, I think you should make all your posts with the help of R.Lee from now on.
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 18, 2004, 11:59:15 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
The following is a public service announcement for those who really don't know what it's about:
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/VOSSpsa.gif)


This is exactly the kind of thing that this tread needed.  Great job Arlo, I love it.

eskimo
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Post by: 2shad4u on July 18, 2004, 11:59:53 AM
well it runs the game fine usually get a frame rate of around 40 or sometimes more but it will drop to about 4 for no reason and spike right back up. and the system ram is always used up almost all the way when in flight. i says "systemmem 126.8 and then used is normally around 125 and it was at 126 for the whole time in flight.....what if i put the other stick of ram into try just to see if it would work? would it mess up my computer at all?
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Brat on July 18, 2004, 11:59:57 AM
I packed up my joystick into a box with all my exgirlfriends stuff when I kicked her out...

Attached a little note to it that said...

"You'll probably need this more than I will now"
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: DrDea on July 18, 2004, 12:05:22 PM
It wont hurt to try,but P2 ram and P3 ram wont be interchangable.It may not even fit in there.Im surprised a 400MX is running it.You can try,but your best bet is to surf around a bit and figgure out what type of ram you have.512 is about as low as I would go on ram.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Grimm on July 18, 2004, 12:11:37 PM
Yes,  You could try that other stick of ram.   Im not sure what types of RAM your using,  but they would need to be compatible types.    

Other find out what type of ram you have and watch for a good deal on some ram.   Check here maybe
Computer Geeks (http://www.compgeeks.com)
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Post by: Grimm on July 18, 2004, 12:14:49 PM
Hey Doc Death,

Did ya Miss my Thread a couple weeks ago.   Iv got AH2 Rocking along on one of my old back up boxs.   Its a PII 450mhz.    Its not great,  but works.

But what does this have to do with VOSS.

Lets get back to the Job at hand.....

Hey Hornets!   Have you guys decided to cut ties with Voss yet???
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: straffo on July 18, 2004, 12:31:00 PM
Nothing like a 140 kb reply :D
:lol

Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/Pierre.gif)
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Post by: DrDea on July 18, 2004, 12:31:55 PM
Yea Grim I saw that.WTG :)    And your right.Where IS that scum of the earth hideing?:lol
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: 2shad4u on July 18, 2004, 12:33:37 PM
thanks for you help guys am going to try it now, will let you know how it works
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Grimm on July 18, 2004, 12:38:48 PM
Oh Voss..   Oh Voss..

Come out,  Come out

Where ever you are......
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: 2shad4u on July 18, 2004, 12:45:14 PM
sweet!!!...............i think it works i plugged it in booted up pc, did the dxdiag, now i have 254mb of ram, that means it works right? did not have any trouble booting up just did as normal
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Capt. Pork on July 18, 2004, 01:08:35 PM
(http://www.mauisunseeker.com/images/gay.jpg)

1200!
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 18, 2004, 01:13:58 PM
Here's a recap of the Voss graphics and Voss story so far:

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/284_1090174270_vossimation.gif)

eskimo
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Post by: DrDea on July 18, 2004, 01:16:18 PM
LMFAO Eskimo.We can count on you to put it all in a nicely wrapped package  :)

Doc
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Post by: Nash on July 18, 2004, 01:22:22 PM
Resize that thing and Voss has a spanky new avatard.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Jackal1 on July 18, 2004, 01:27:20 PM
Bwahahahahahahha!!! <-----Bows repeatedly.
  Arlo, dude were not worthy of your uncontested VOSS bashing skills. Awesome. :D
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 18, 2004, 01:32:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Nash
Resize that thing and Voss has a spanky new avatard.


(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/284_1090175526_vossimation64.gif)

eskimo
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Post by: Sox62 on July 18, 2004, 01:35:39 PM
This thread is absolutely amazing.It's almost made me late for work-twice.

Brat-you used to have a pretty lively message board back when AW was still a game.Anything like that around now?
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 18, 2004, 01:37:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
Bwahahahahahahha!!! <-----Bows repeatedly.
  Arlo, dude were not worthy of your uncontested VOSS bashing skills. Awesome. :D


Here here,

We want more!  Make another one Arlo!

eskimo
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 18, 2004, 01:40:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by eskimo2
Here here,

We want more!  Make another one Arlo!

eskimo


  And you sir, are the undisputed King of board games. :D
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Post by: Misfit on July 18, 2004, 03:42:21 PM
All this thread did was make me realize this whole "Community" is freakin NutZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Metavoss on July 18, 2004, 05:22:13 PM
:)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: DrDea on July 18, 2004, 05:28:29 PM
Ahhhh at last.A slight bit of honesty:rofl
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 18, 2004, 05:29:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Metavoss
:)


(http://eurokdj.free.fr/covers/cov_scooter1.jpg)
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Post by: Brat on July 18, 2004, 08:31:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sox62
This thread is absolutely amazing.It's almost made me late for work-twice.

Brat-you used to have a pretty lively message board back when AW was still a game.Anything like that around now?


As a matter of fact...I'm very very slowly working on a site that's dedicated to gamers discussion of online gaming...ala lum the mad...

The skeleton is up...I've tested a few formats (none that I like as of yet). The only thing I really got right was the domain name...

http://www.epeen.com (http://www.epeen.com)

"Where the size of your member is measured by your online attitude."

Once I figure out exactly where I plan on going with it...I'll let you guys know. Online gaming is so expanse now, that I need to narrow down basis. Was thinking about concentrating on the game makers themselves instead of the games. Discussions about the companies, who's running them, what they're up to and finally how they suck and we all hate them and we all have better ideas on how to run their business...

Hey Voss...wanna do an interview? SNORK!

Don't bother going to the site as of yet...I'm tearing it all down and the only thing that's up there are a couple outdated articles.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Arlo on July 18, 2004, 08:58:43 PM
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/mailcall.gif)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Meatwad on July 18, 2004, 10:01:50 PM
R. Lee Emery :D
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Post by: United on July 18, 2004, 10:04:14 PM
I would read these posts and make a half-arsed attempt at making a good post, but theres 1215 of em and I dont have weeks to do so.  Holy Crap!
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 18, 2004, 10:10:49 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Brat
As a matter of fact...I'm very very slowly working on a site that's dedicated to gamers discussion of online gaming...ala lum the mad...

The skeleton is up...I've tested a few formats (none that I like as of yet). The only thing I really got right was the domain name...

http://www.epeen.com (http://www.epeen.com)

...


Shoot me an email if you want a hand with that Brat. I've been using PostNuke for gonzoville.com for a few years and it works well for that (I prefer the coding disciple that team has pver phpNuke's).
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Post by: Capt. Pork on July 18, 2004, 10:27:02 PM
Arlo...

Here's a request:

Get R. Lee to sing Sheena Easton's For Your Eyes Only, as featured in the 80s Bond flick of the same title.
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Post by: Vermin -=<4Q>=- on July 18, 2004, 10:42:48 PM
Damn, Voss hasn't died from bellybutton cancer yet??

-Voim
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 18, 2004, 11:42:10 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Vermin -=<4Q>=-
Damn, Voss hasn't died from bellybutton cancer yet??

-Voim


HAR!
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 18, 2004, 11:51:47 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Vermin -=<4Q>=-
Damn, Voss hasn't died from bellybutton cancer yet??

-Voim


  I understand that Oneman Birkes is taking a correspondence course in proctology just in case.
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Post by: Ack-Ack on July 19, 2004, 02:46:03 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
Yea, I don`t know if he`s still running the NE TX Task Force in Longview or not. I haven`t heard from him in a long, long while.
  l



The last time we heard from him he was but he said he was going to be MIA for a few months.  It's been almost 4 years now.


ack-ack
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Post by: Red Tail 444 on July 19, 2004, 08:49:08 AM
Quote
Originally posted by eskimo2
Here's a recap of the Voss graphics and Voss story so far:

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/284_1090174270_vossimation.gif)

eskimo


...even more hyonotic than GSholz's avatar....:D

Ok now, who metavoss?
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 19, 2004, 09:10:02 AM
Metavoss,

You had me going there for a minute or two.  I didn’t notice that it was Metavoss and not Metatron.  For awhile I was thinking, “Man, he is being a real sport about this; this is just about the first time he’s ever been cool.”  I guess that I’ve seen Metavoss in this thread so much that it didn’t catch my eye as being different.  

eskimo
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Post by: rpm on July 19, 2004, 09:54:15 AM
Sounds like somebody needs a lawyer.
(http://www.renegadechickens.com/spaceghost/WilliamsStreet/hbaal.jpg)
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: eskimo2 on July 19, 2004, 10:31:29 AM
866 responces of the 1,225 so far have been from these 38 folks who have responded 10 or more times each.  572 from the folks who have responded 20 or more times.  341 from 30 or more responces.

SLO  67
Zazen13  64
Arlo  60
Citabria  49
GtoRA2  36
Jackal1  35
Westy  30
Trell  27
Ripsnort  25
eskimo2  25
DrDea  24
Capt. Pork  24
lazs2  22
Masherbrum  22
Pongo  21
DJ111  21
Sikboy  20
SirLoin  18
airbumba  18
Avenger  18
Nash  17
storch  17
Lizking  17
WilldCrd  17
midnight Target  15
Edbert MOL  14
Redd  14
NUKE  14
DoKGonZo  14
Grimm  13
Red Tail 444  13
straffo  12
ghostdancer  11
JB73  11
Ack-Ack  11
GRUNHERZ  10
Octavius  10
Furball  10

Toatal 866

Gotta love Excel!

eskimo
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Post by: TheDudeDVant on July 19, 2004, 10:39:16 AM
Quote
Originally posted by eskimo2
866 responces of the 1,225 so far have been from these 38 folks who have responded 10 or more times each.  572 from the folks who have responded 20 or more times.  341 from 30 or more responces.

SLO  67
Zazen13  64
Arlo  60
Citabria  49
GtoRA2  36
Jackal1  35
Westy  30
Trell  27
Ripsnort  25
eskimo2  25
DrDea  24
Capt. Pork  24
lazs2  22
Masherbrum  22
Pongo  21
DJ111  21
Sikboy  20
SirLoin  18
airbumba  18
Avenger  18
Nash  17
storch  17
Lizking  17
WilldCrd  17
midnight Target  15
Edbert MOL  14
Redd  14
NUKE  14
DoKGonZo  14
Grimm  13
Red Tail 444  13
straffo  12
ghostdancer  11
JB73  11
Ack-Ack  11
GRUNHERZ  10
Octavius  10
Furball  10

Toatal 866

Gotta love Excel!

eskimo


Im hurt.. I didnt make the list..   :o Baahh!
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 19, 2004, 10:50:08 AM
Quote
Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Im hurt.. I didnt make the list..   :o Baahh!


LOL, this post just bumped you to 10 responces!  Congratulations!  You are now a hard core retard like the rest of the folks in this list!

eskimo
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 19, 2004, 10:53:26 AM
Also, 180 folks have responded so far...

eskimo
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Post by: TheDudeDVant on July 19, 2004, 11:00:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by eskimo2
LOL, this post just bumped you to 10 responces!  Congratulations!  You are now a hard core retard like the rest of the folks in this list!

eskimo


AHHH!!  Im starstruck! I would just like to take the next few moments to thank my friends and family for getting me to the moment in my life! I feel so honored! I would like to thank my huked own funics teacher for learning me to spell and type.. I would also like to thank metavoss for his being of the lowlife despicable degenerate blob of ilk that made all this possible! Heres to you metavoss, !!!

Thankyou... Thankyou all!! God bless america!

kappa
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Post by: Morpheus on July 19, 2004, 01:42:40 PM
Quote
Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
AHHH!!  Im starstruck! I would just like to take the next few moments to thank my friends and family for getting me to the moment in my life! I feel so honored! I would like to thank my huked own funics teacher for learning me to spell and type.. I would also like to thank metavoss for his being of the lowlife despicable degenerate blob of ilk that made all this possible! Heres to you metavoss, !!!

Thankyou... Thankyou all!! God bless america!

kappa


lol here here!
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Post by: Misfit on July 19, 2004, 02:12:27 PM
I still cant help to laugh that all this was started by a guy that is by no means a saint ie (Fester). So before you all go layin down with Dogs (IE takin a Side) of either Fester or Metavoss ya better have a damn good flea collar.

I personally was not there when all this Vosscrap took place and by looking at the mud slinging will deff. take note of Meta. I also see alot of people slinging **** though that were not even there nor even being old enough. I am curious fester, you said you where a beta tester for TSA and you are 26 now. So i can get a time line of these events how old were you exactly when this took place?

Best leave this for the people that were involved. Warning is good but leave it at that (for us who were not there). The Horde mantallity of this community is BS. DOGPILE on the underdog!!!!!

BTW ARLO that is some serious funny **** bro.
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Post by: Misfit on July 19, 2004, 02:16:59 PM
BTW Eskimo
I love that part from Monty Pythons "Search for the Holy Grail". Everytime i read it i bust up laughin :D
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Post by: Trip01 on July 19, 2004, 02:23:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Misfit
I am curious fester, you said you where a beta tester for TSA and you are 26 now. So i can get a time line of these events


I was invited to be a TAS beta tester. It was around the time that CK was in beta (later to become WB). I'm not sure when that was, but  roughly 1997 I think.

For the record I certainly was not asked for any money but I do recall having to sign some paperwork, I think an NDA.

Trip
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Post by: wombatt on July 19, 2004, 03:39:02 PM
Quote
Originally posted by eskimo2
866 responces of the 1,225 so far have been from these 38 folks who have responded 10 or more times each.  572 from the folks who have responded 20 or more times.  341 from 30 or more responces.

SLO  67
Zazen13  64
Arlo  60
Citabria  49
GtoRA2  36
Jackal1  35
Westy  30
Trell  27
Ripsnort  25
eskimo2  25
DrDea  24
Capt. Pork  24
lazs2  22
Masherbrum  22
Pongo  21
DJ111  21
Sikboy  20
SirLoin  18
airbumba  18
Avenger  18
Nash  17
storch  17
Lizking  17
WilldCrd  17
midnight Target  15
Edbert MOL  14
Redd  14
NUKE  14
DoKGonZo  14
Grimm  13
Red Tail 444  13
straffo  12
ghostdancer  11
JB73  11
Ack-Ack  11
GRUNHERZ  10
Octavius  10
Furball  10

Toatal 866

Gotta love Excel!

eskimo


You have way to much time on your hands.
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Post by: wombatt on July 19, 2004, 03:43:05 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
The following is a public service announcement for those who really don't know what it's about:
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/VOSSpsa.gif)


Wow Thats funny!
Unless you are Asian then the GOOK comment was offensive.

Buttlipps how are you still here?
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 19, 2004, 03:54:44 PM
Quote
Originally posted by wombatt
You have way to much time on your hands.


It took longer to type, "866 responces of the 1,225 so far have been from these 38 folks who have responded 10 or more times each. 572 from the folks who have responded 20 or more times. 341 from 30 or more responces. " than it did to gather and crunch the information.  But yes, I do have too much time on my hands durring the summer.

eskimo
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Post by: Arlo on July 19, 2004, 06:21:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by wombatt
Wow Thats funny!
Unless you are Asian then the GOOK comment was offensive.

Buttlipps how are you still here?


(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/jackoff.gif)
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Post by: DrDea on July 19, 2004, 07:21:58 PM
Quote
You have way to much time on your hands


  Beat me to it.:p
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Post by: Citabria on July 19, 2004, 09:30:46 PM
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Originally posted by Misfit
I am curious fester, you said you where a beta tester for TSA and you are 26 now. So i can get a time line of these events how old were you exactly when this took place?


you are full of crap I never said I had anything to do with TAS much less a beta tester for it.
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Post by: NUKE on July 19, 2004, 10:37:40 PM
I heard that TAS sofware was very advanced and that HTC and Warbirds basicaly stole most of the code that Voss created. Is this true?
Title: VossBox 20 song
Post by: NUKE on July 19, 2004, 10:49:49 PM
VossBox 20
"Unwell "


All day pecking at the keyboard
Scouting marks around the net
All night hearing voices telling me
That I should get some sleep
Because tomorrow I might be good for something

Hold on
Feeling like I'm headed for an bellybutton beating
And I don't know why

[Chorus]

Cause I'm just crazy, more than  a little unwell
I know right now you can all tell
But stay awhile and maybe then you'll see
Five different sides of me
Totally crazy, and more than a little impaired
I know right now you don't care
But soon enough you're gonna think of me
And the five guys I used to be
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Post by: Sixpence on July 20, 2004, 01:23:53 AM
This is my second post for those who are counting.
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Post by: Misfit on July 20, 2004, 01:26:34 AM
Full of crap, NO. Misread original post yes :D

Just went back and saw where its said "This is from a close associate". So you see where the mix up might have come from.

But once again this does fall on the part where i said "Leave it to the people that where there" sport.:D

With all the BS that has been posted, a simple mind like myself is easily confused:rolleyes:

My apologies for misreading it.
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Post by: Scatcat on July 20, 2004, 01:33:33 AM
Your all wrong, I'm Voss.. I mean metatron.. No no I'm Paul. *$(% ya'll got me confused again :confused:
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Post by: Octavius on July 20, 2004, 09:57:41 AM
!?
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Post by: Flit on July 20, 2004, 10:38:57 AM
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Originally posted by NUKE
I heard that TAS sofware was very advanced and that HTC and Warbirds basicaly stole most of the code that Voss created. Is this true?

It is according to Voss/Metatron- See page 4 of this thread
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 20, 2004, 11:04:08 AM
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Originally posted by Scatcat
Your all wrong, I'm Voss.. I mean metatron.. No no I'm Paul. *$(% ya'll got me confused again :confused:


I`ll vouch for this. Just yesterday I visited PaVosScaTron at his mansion. He was terminaly  ill , with not much hope from the Doctors. The A-Team were all there to show their respect to this fallen hero.
  I walked outside for a smoke and this big hulk of a guy was putting gold spoke rims on PaVossScaTron`s P-51 that was parked in the back yard by the hog pen.
  He introduced himself as Mr. T. a.k.a. as B.A. I noticed he had a tear in his eye and he told me...." Face, the Colonel, and Murdoch all have accomplished many heroic deeds, but nothing, not even close to what The "Big Guy" has done ".
  I asked him how the big guy had been injured. He looked around to see if anyone was listeneing. He said " I`m gonna tell you , but , Pity Da Foo that repeats this".  He went on to tell the story of how "The Big Guy" had been on a Secret Ops mission in Tijuana to gather info on Juan "Pimp Daddy" Garcia concerning a prostitute operation.  I can`t repeat all the details he told me because they still carry a B.S. classification.
  I can tell you that "The Big Guy`s" cover was operating a street taco vender's cart and that a steam table lid was left there.  B.A. said that he had talked to him just days before and everything was fine. He told me that a chigger bite to the nads was all it took to cause a bad reaction to the picante sauce and it put "The Big Guy" down.
  At one point he asked me if I had ever read the Strike Force series of books. I`m still confused about this.
  I`ll get back to you as time permits with updates on "The Big Guy".
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Post by: Vermin -=<4Q>=- on July 20, 2004, 11:14:52 AM
Voss and Al Gore invented the internet waaaay back when. Of course Al ended up stealing it from Voss and took the credit. After that, Voss had his state of the art, flight sim code stolen and came down with da bellybutton cancer. It's been down hill ever since. Woe is Voss.. :(
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Post by: JB73 on July 20, 2004, 11:16:45 AM
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Originally posted by Vermin -=<4Q>=-
Voss and Al Gore invented the internet, waaaay back when.
welcome back... go ahead and make fun of yourself again... we will pay no mind.





edit well 1250 1/4 of the way to 2000. amazing

sort of a mini-milestone
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Post by: Vermin -=<4Q>=- on July 20, 2004, 11:36:00 AM
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Originally posted by JB73
welcome back... go ahead and make fun of yourself again... we will pay no mind.

 


Cool, let me pour ya a nice big frosty mug of STFU then. :aok
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Post by: Naso on July 20, 2004, 11:57:14 AM
< Pause >















< Play >

Sorry, beer was finished.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 20, 2004, 02:03:42 PM
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Originally posted by JB73
welcome back... go ahead and make fun of yourself again... we will pay no mind.
 


Uhhh ... JB ... you don't want to be doing this.
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Post by: AWBrat on July 20, 2004, 02:43:18 PM
No please JB...by all means...DO IT!!!

I sooooo wanna watch this..
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Post by: JB73 on July 20, 2004, 02:56:13 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Uhhh ... JB ... you don't want to be doing this.
saw a post from yet another newly registered BBS member, after reading this all jumped on the "bandwagon"

if he is an "old hand" comming back for this topic, then i retract my comment.

i can see the respect you get and how many here know who you are, so i will take your word on who is who. i'vs only been in the sim community for 2 1/2 years (flying from feb 2002 reg. here april 2002).

sir
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Post by: NUTTZ on July 20, 2004, 03:04:36 PM
SO You still have that Mustang 5.0?


NUTTZ
P.S. Directed to Mr Moggy
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Post by: NUTTZ on July 20, 2004, 03:05:38 PM
Hiyas Brat, How life been treating ya?


NUTTZ

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Originally posted by Brat
As a matter of fact...I'm very very slowly working on a site that's dedicated to gamers discussion of online gaming...ala lum the mad...

The skeleton is up...I've tested a few formats (none that I like as of yet). The only thing I really got right was the domain name...

http://www.epeen.com (http://www.epeen.com)

"Where the size of your member is measured by your online attitude."

Once I figure out exactly where I plan on going with it...I'll let you guys know. Online gaming is so expanse now, that I need to narrow down basis. Was thinking about concentrating on the game makers themselves instead of the games. Discussions about the companies, who's running them, what they're up to and finally how they suck and we all hate them and we all have better ideas on how to run their business...

Hey Voss...wanna do an interview? SNORK!

Don't bother going to the site as of yet...I'm tearing it all down and the only thing that's up there are a couple outdated articles.
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Post by: AWBrat on July 20, 2004, 03:07:04 PM
JB...the 4Q tag is usally a dead give away...avoid it like the plague...

They're all really really REALLY old bitter men with laserbeams shooting out of their eyeballs and razorblades taped to their tongues...

Edit: I'm great...ever since I stopped flying sims...probably avoided some kind of breakdown and saved a few peoples lives in the process..
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Post by: Horn on July 20, 2004, 03:09:07 PM
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Originally posted by JB73
saw a post from yet another newly registered BBS member, after reading this all jumped on the "bandwagon"

if he is an "old hand" comming back for this topic, then i retract my comment.

i can see the respect you get and how many here know who you are, so i will take your word on who is who. i'vs only been in the sim community for 2 1/2 years (flying from feb 2002 reg. here april 2002).

sir


Wise man.

h
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Post by: Guppy35 on July 20, 2004, 03:22:29 PM
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Originally posted by AWBrat
JB...the 4Q tag is usally a dead give away...avoid it like the plague...

They're all really really REALLY old bitter men with laserbeams shooting out of their eyeballs and razorblades taped to their tongues...

Edit: I'm great...ever since I stopped flying sims...probably avoided some kind of breakdown and saved a few peoples lives in the process..


It appears you are mellowing in your old age too Bobby :)

Glad to see you out and about again

Dan/Slack
(+Tiff )
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 20, 2004, 03:24:51 PM
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Originally posted by JB73
saw a post from yet another newly registered BBS member, after reading this all jumped on the "bandwagon"

if he is an "old hand" comming back for this topic, then i retract my comment.

i can see the respect you get and how many here know who you are, so i will take your word on who is who. i'vs only been in the sim community for 2 1/2 years (flying from feb 2002 reg. here april 2002).

sir


Verm was my wingman from like '88 to '96. Yes ... you read that right ... 1-9-8-8. Bush Sr. was only a VP back then.
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Post by: AWBrat on July 20, 2004, 03:36:35 PM
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It appears you are mellowing in your old age too Bobby


ouch...
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Post by: JB73 on July 20, 2004, 04:02:38 PM
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Originally posted by AWBrat
They're all really really REALLY old bitter men with laserbeams shooting out of their eyeballs and razorblades taped to their tongues...
 
LOL sound like cool guys. would be great to meet some of the original flight sim junkies!
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Post by: midnight Target on July 20, 2004, 04:07:09 PM
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Originally posted by JB73
edit well 1250 1/4 of the way to 2000. amazing

sort of a mini-milestone


Math your best subject?
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 20, 2004, 04:30:55 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Math your best subject?


LOL, I was going to let it go... but... LOL

eskimo
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Post by: SLO on July 20, 2004, 04:42:23 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Verm was my wingman from like '88 to '96. Yes ... you read that right ... 1-9-8-8. Bush Sr. was only a VP back then.


so that means what....you been shaggin sheep longer then any.....congrats geek
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 20, 2004, 04:49:42 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
so that means what....you been shaggin sheep longer then any.....congrats geek [/QUOTE

Your ignorance is most remarkable.
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Post by: AWBrat on July 20, 2004, 04:57:09 PM
DoK...remember that old video of the sheep running into their pen...and the one that slams into the wall going mach speed?

/points at SLO
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Post by: SLO on July 20, 2004, 05:00:21 PM
Brat and gonzo holding hands....now ain't that beautiful....lovely picture I tell ya.

mind pointing to what the ignorant part is.....the geek or the sheep shaggin:D
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 20, 2004, 05:10:27 PM
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Originally posted by SLO


mind pointing to what the ignorant part is.....the geek or the sheep shaggin:D


Yes.
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Post by: Grizzly on July 20, 2004, 05:13:45 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
so that means what....you been shaggin sheep longer then any.....congrats geek


If I'm not mistaken, DoK put the sheep in AW, and each subsequent online sim. But of course, being Voss, you probably know that.
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Post by: Quarters on July 20, 2004, 05:13:55 PM
(Takes a seat next to Brat)

Thanks for putting out the Qt-Signal. The communication channels still seem to be working well.

(nods a greeting to DoK and Verm)
'Sup, gents? Long time.


So, what we got goin' on in here?
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Post by: SLO on July 20, 2004, 05:25:11 PM
well now....your the Geek who put sheeps into the game....well now you are a true god.....

wait a minute...didn't the sheep come from REAL planes using sheep fields during WW2.....

but I'm sure it was your idea in the 1st place....
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 20, 2004, 05:29:48 PM
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Originally posted by Grizzly
If I'm not mistaken, DoK put the sheep in AW, and each subsequent online sim. But of course, being Voss, you probably know that.


That's half true.

In the old, old, old daze of half-time Air Warrior we needed some way to entertain ourselves during climb-out. I mean, we're talking long enough that one of my squadmates would often times drive down to the packy for cigarettes and let the plane climb on autopilot.

Anyway ... we used to tell jokes on channel 1 to pass the time (and to try to forget what our MasterCard bill would look like at month's end cuz this was steep hourly billing). For whatever strange reason, sheep jokes seemed to make an impression on folks.

Then sheep started to become part of the AW culture. I still remember the old Aggressors pic that someone did up. And then Grey Eagle started to put sheep in some of his artwork. And then sheep were actually in the game all of a sudden.

Go figure.

Here's  the Aggie recruiting poster I mentioned before. I can't recall who did this, but it was worth saving. SLO - try not to get too excited by the image, you don't want your keyboard all crusty in the morning.

(http://www.gonzoville.com/DoK/AW/images/aggies.gif)
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Post by: Lizking on July 20, 2004, 05:31:13 PM
That is a goat.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 20, 2004, 05:33:20 PM
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Originally posted by Lizking
That is a goat.


Well aren't you picky.
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Post by: SLO on July 20, 2004, 05:34:13 PM
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Originally posted by Grizzly
If I'm not mistaken, DoK put the sheep in AW, and each subsequent online sim. But of course, being Voss, you probably know that.



well congrats to gonzo for the un-original idea.....

Grizz if your tryin to impress me...its not working.

slo is on BBS....Slowhand in the MA Grizz....come and test your little theory.(gotta wait though...testing WW2OnL)

and I was SLohd in AW....sorry to bust your stupid bubble Griz
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Post by: Quarters on July 20, 2004, 05:36:16 PM
Making the sheep explode in AW3 had a beneficial side effect. The explosion/smoke effect used was the same one for buildings. The smoke columns could be seen from a sector to a sector and a half away.

Soon people were getting into the habit of strafing/bombing the defenses out at an enemy field and then pinging an Explod-a-Sheep to use as an "All Clear" marker for the C-47 full of paratroopers orbiting nearby.
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Post by: hitech on July 20, 2004, 05:43:18 PM
Greets Quaters, Vermin.


HiTEch
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Post by: Lizking on July 20, 2004, 05:43:29 PM
What can I say-I know my ungulates.
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Post by: Arlo on July 20, 2004, 05:55:09 PM
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/Slosays.gif)

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Originally posted by Lizking
That is a goat.

(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/sherlock.gif)

:D
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Post by: Lizking on July 20, 2004, 06:00:37 PM
Sir, Yes Sir!

(http://www.bodbiz.com/images/push-up%20b_w.jpg)
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Post by: Quarters on July 20, 2004, 06:03:29 PM
Right back at you, HT. Pleasure to be in your house, as usual.
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Post by: SLO on July 20, 2004, 06:04:55 PM
gettin stale there Arlo....
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Post by: JB73 on July 20, 2004, 06:05:08 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Math your best subject?
LOL i'd have hoped you'd all "get it" 250 is 1/4 of 1000...since we past the 1000 post mark we are 1/4 of the way to the 2000 post mark (from the 1000 post mark)

he noone ever said i have excellent written communication skillz
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Post by: midnight Target on July 20, 2004, 06:06:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by JB73
LOL i'd have hoped you'd all "get it" 250 is 1/4 of 1000...since we past the 1000 post mark we are 1/4 of the way to the 2000 post mark (from the 100 post mark)

he noone ever said i have excellent written communication skillz


Please stop. I'm not allowed to laugh this hard at work... looks bad.
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Post by: Arlo on July 20, 2004, 06:08:46 PM
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/gofar.gif)
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Post by: JB73 on July 20, 2004, 06:08:54 PM
DOH!

will edit it now lol

but DMNIT you know what i meant
i know you did i know you did!!!!!!!

LOL
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 20, 2004, 06:14:28 PM
The little yellow bus has not picked slo up from this thread yet??
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Post by: AWBrat on July 20, 2004, 06:33:52 PM
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Originally posted by Quarters
(Takes a seat next to Brat)

Thanks for putting out the Qt-Signal. The communication channels still seem to be working well.

(nods a greeting to DoK and Verm)
'Sup, gents? Long time.


So, what we got goin' on in here?


ROFL...I took the long way around...I would have payed good money to hear that conversation...

Mythic Employee: Jeff...I just got this really really strange message for you on a message board...(repeats cryptic message littered with two letter abbreviations)

Quarters: OMG...TO THE BATCAVE!!!

SLO...anyone ever tell you that you're really funny?

Didn't think so...

The difference between people like DoK and others that have recently appeared on these boards and yourself...  

1. The obvious intelligence barrier that you can't seem to get past

2. A sense of humor which you seem to lack

3. Wit, which you seem to think you have but somehow you missed the T in the front along the way.

4. Charm, in which the closest you'll ever get to is a box of cereal with a Leprechaun on the front and a shiny surprise inside

5. The ability to hold a conversation above a third grade reading level sans Dick and Jane fight the Luftwaffe

6. History of the game, community and it's players

7. Last but not least, the ability to choose your friends wisely. I hear Linda Rondstat is looking for a new buddy, why don't you give her call.

I'm sure everyone appreciates your effort to be the new king of flame and we all love watching you flail around blindly trying to prove yourself over and over again by making a complete squealing fool out of yourself with your amazing ability to completely butcher the English language in a simple one sentence reply, but we've seen it all before...years and years ago...by people more intelligent, funnier, and nastier than you'll ever be...

Save yourself the trouble and go find one of those auto flamewar generators on the web...at least it will be legible enough for us to understand and we can quit pooling money together to send you new batteries for your Speak N Spell...

If that's not an option, I suggest you spend about a decade in some AOL chatrooms to sharpen up your mad flaming skillz...by then you can come back and claim to be one of the Veterans you so freely like to take a swing at...

Please...for the love of GOD save your monosyllabic, drooling, spittle infested, pimple sucking, wannabe 1337, legal excuse for a wire coat hanger and a handul of salt pre birth reply for another time...

My heart just can't handle another zinger from such a superbly idiotic individual today...
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Post by: phookat on July 20, 2004, 06:39:28 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
gettin stale there Arlo....


You're getting owned.  Stop now.

Keep em coming Arlo. :D
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Post by: eskimo2 on July 20, 2004, 06:43:37 PM
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Originally posted by phookat
You're getting owned.  Stop now.

Keep em coming Arlo. :D


I'm still laughing pretty hard too.

Arlo rules.

eskimo
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Post by: type_char on July 20, 2004, 06:55:37 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Lizking
Sir, Yes Sir!

(http://www.bodbiz.com/images/push-up%20b_w.jpg)


I can do about 15 pushups.
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Post by: Misfit on July 20, 2004, 06:57:42 PM
So can someone tell me the real story i have read about the "4 Horsemen". I mean since you old vets are here and we have your attention be cool to have something positive come out of this crap.

I have heard and read old forum stuff of a group of guys that use to straight up dominate in AWer. I cant tell if it is truth or myth and i believe they were called the "4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse". I first heard of them back when i started AW3 and since have caught mention of them in a few old forums.
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Post by: SLO on July 20, 2004, 07:18:20 PM
Quote
Originally posted by phookat
You're getting owned.  Stop now.

Keep em coming Arlo. :D


really...If you say so.

well I mean your opinion matters too me so much that you must be correct.....

guess your into young kids posting comical drawings on a BBS
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Post by: SLO on July 20, 2004, 07:25:20 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AWBrat
ROFL...I took the long way around...I would have payed good money to hear that conversation...

Mythic Employee: Jeff...I just got this really really strange message for you on a message board...(repeats cryptic message littered with two letter abbreviations)

Quarters: OMG...TO THE BATCAVE!!!

SLO...anyone ever tell you that you're really funny?

Didn't think so...

The difference between people like DoK and others that have recently appeared on these boards and yourself...  

1. The obvious intelligence barrier that you can't seem to get past

2. A sense of humor which you seem to lack

3. Wit, which you seem to think you have but somehow you missed the T in the front along the way.

4. Charm, in which the closest you'll ever get to is a box of cereal with a Leprechaun on the front and a shiny surprise inside

5. The ability to hold a conversation above a third grade reading level sans Dick and Jane fight the Luftwaffe

6. History of the game, community and it's players

7. Last but not least, the ability to choose your friends wisely. I hear Linda Rondstat is looking for a new buddy, why don't you give her call.

I'm sure everyone appreciates your effort to be the new king of flame and we all love watching you flail around blindly trying to prove yourself over and over again by making a complete squealing fool out of yourself with your amazing ability to completely butcher the English language in a simple one sentence reply, but we've seen it all before...years and years ago...by people more intelligent, funnier, and nastier than you'll ever be...

Save yourself the trouble and go find one of those auto flamewar generators on the web...at least it will be legible enough for us to understand and we can quit pooling money together to send you new batteries for your Speak N Spell...

If that's not an option, I suggest you spend about a decade in some AOL chatrooms to sharpen up your mad flaming skillz...by then you can come back and claim to be one of the Veterans you so freely like to take a swing at...

Please...for the love of GOD save your monosyllabic, drooling, spittle infested, pimple sucking, wannabe 1337, legal excuse for a wire coat hanger and a handul of salt pre birth reply for another time...

My heart just can't handle another zinger from such a superbly idiotic individual today...


this has got to be pointed at me....

well Brat, you sound like a frustrated wannabe self-important lad.

not gettin enough recognition are we now.

witty attention seeker....

and I don't listen too young frustrated wannabe self-important people....

good luck in your recognition search....
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 20, 2004, 07:36:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
this has got to be pointed at me....



Now that's funny.
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Post by: Brat on July 20, 2004, 07:39:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
this has got to be pointed at me....


Did the fact that I used your name give it away? Damn...and here I was trying to be all sneaky about it!

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well Brat, you sound like a frustrated wannabe self-important lad.


I'm always frustrated...that's a given...that happens when you get past puberty and graduate from junior high school...one day you'll understand...as for being self important...yeah...you guessed it babykins...I'm the most important person in my life...IMAGINE THAT!!!

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not gettin enough recognition are we now.

witty attention seeker....


(http://www.epeen.com/images/hullo.jpg)

Hate to tell you this sunshine...but YOU'RE the one rattling around these boards picking fights with everyone in hopes you get noticed here. Myself and the others are just passing through. I'm sure if I did a little research I'd find what I can only assume. You're a loudmouthed waste of space that feels his title is in jeapordy on these boards

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and I don't listen too young frustrated wannabe self-important people....


I imagine that would be very difficult for you then...I bet you have a really really loud voice and talk like a deaf person...

Quote
good luck in your recognition search....


Oh...I've already attained mine...from years and years of knocking simplistic boobs like yourself around the internet...SLO...does the term "Spastic Colon" mean anything to you? You should probably do a little research and get to know the term...it's basically a quivering *******...something you've managed to master.

You know what...I don't even know why I'm bothering...someone just informed me your French Canadian...what's the point in starting a battle with you when you'll just surrender before the fighting starts...
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Post by: Habu on July 20, 2004, 07:39:43 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
really...If you say so.

well I mean your opinion matters too me so much that you must be correct.....

guess your into young kids posting comical drawings on a BBS


Keep watching those online snuff videos SLO. Is there anything else you do in real life that might get a person or two in here to have an ounce of respect for you?
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Post by: Misfit on July 20, 2004, 07:40:59 PM
SLO

Bud just walk away. This is really not worth it. You have done what ya thought was right. No one can blame ya for trying to stand up for a squadie. But now ya need to just move on.

BTW this is Jinx
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Post by: Misfit on July 20, 2004, 07:43:39 PM
BTW none of you ol Aces heard of the 4 horsemen? Damn was really looking foward to having that cleared up.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 20, 2004, 07:56:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Misfit
BTW none of you ol Aces heard of the 4 horsemen? Damn was really looking foward to having that cleared up.


Could be after my time of active flying. Quarters or Moggy may know.
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Post by: J_A_B on July 20, 2004, 08:10:59 PM
If I recall, basically they flew FW-190A-8's and picked on the many newer players shortly after the "10,000 dweebs" arrived from the SVGA box set.   I forget the little details (like who they were) as I barely played until the AOL days due to the fees at the time.

DoK was probably in WarBirds by then.


OMG....I posted in "the thread"......WHAT HAVE I DONE?


J_A_B
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Post by: flyingaround on July 20, 2004, 08:19:30 PM
(http://www.epeen.com/images/hullo.jpg)

Awesome.  What's great is i got 2 to 1 that it went over SLO's head.

And SLO, please keep it up.  All message boards need a resident idiot, and even though you are a tad overqualified, I'm sure MetaVoss can give ya' some tips.



(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/SLV/SH003.jpg)

here's my idea of foreplay.
http://www.junglewalk.com/video/Sheep-movie.asp

'allo AW legend types.  I need to cruise by BW soon and see how everyone is doing.

Curious if any remembers Yuri, Sin, or +Died, (former squadies o' mine) and if they still about.
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Post by: SLO on July 20, 2004, 08:34:47 PM
Brat I really think you got the wrong Idea mate......surrender....surren der what dumbprettythang

get your old joyatick outta the toilet.....come to the MA....and give Slowhand a shout...

I'll give you sector....plane, alt, speed whatever you want....lets see if i'm gonna surrender then.

and BTW brainless one...thats French Canadian....not French from France

thx you for the lack of respect....

ever think that English is my second language and not my 1st.....oh wait....since your so smart you already figured that 1 out.

and BTW...the community is in the MA....not on this BBS
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Post by: SLO on July 20, 2004, 08:36:49 PM
Hiya Jinx....

bud I'm just passing time....work is nice and smooth so time to waste.

might as well waste em on useless wannabe's who think typing on a BBS is LIFE Important:D
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 20, 2004, 08:43:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
Hiya Jinx....

bud I'm just passing time....work is nice and smooth so time to waste.

might as well waste em on useless wannabe's who think typing on a BBS is LIFE Important:D


Slowyawn pulls out his variant on the ever-deadly "get a life" gambit.

Brilliant!
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Post by: Citabria on July 20, 2004, 08:44:42 PM
SLO, people find what dokgonzo and brat say amuzing, interesting and entertaining.

what you post merely makes what they post seem 10 times better.
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Post by: Lizking on July 20, 2004, 08:52:43 PM
Y'all leave Slo 'lone.  He is French I think, and using English as a second language.  That doesn't explain the content of his posts, but it does excuse his syntax and spelling (which is better than HT, anyway).
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 20, 2004, 08:56:53 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO


and BTW...the community is in the MA....not on this BBS


I think we found the new community support manager for Vossware, Inc.
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Post by: Nash on July 20, 2004, 08:58:11 PM
I don't use the word gambit nearly enough.
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Post by: SLO on July 20, 2004, 09:11:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Citabria
SLO, people find what dokgonzo and brat say amuzing, interesting and entertaining.

what you post merely makes what they post seem 10 times better.


glad your entertained...isn't it what its all about:p

and no Fester...I don't give a fug about em....and I will not do what you do....kiss there prettythanges
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Post by: Ack-Ack on July 20, 2004, 09:16:18 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
well now....your the Geek who put sheeps into the game....well now you are a true god.....

wait a minute...didn't the sheep come from REAL planes using sheep fields during WW2.....

but I'm sure it was your idea in the 1st place....




SLO, it's about time you just walk away.  We already know you're an idiot, you don't have to keep proving it over and over again.



ack-ack
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Post by: SLO on July 20, 2004, 09:16:18 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I think we found the new community support manager for Vossware, Inc.


amazing.....such wit....impressive
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Post by: SLO on July 20, 2004, 09:19:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
SLO, it's about time you just walk away.  We already know you're an idiot, you don't have to keep proving it over and over again.



ack-ack


lucky I don't give a watermelon about YOUR opinion eh ACK

next time use I instead of WE.....like I said....the community is in the MA not on this BBS
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Post by: Citabria on July 20, 2004, 09:19:32 PM
for me it is. I like to laugh.

as for your need to post crap that isn't funny or amuzing is only made tollerable by others ability to flame you with posts that are hilarious, and lets not forget that you are the biggest bellybutton kisser in this thread with your blind subservience to VOSS the scumlord of the internet.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 20, 2004, 09:21:44 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
amazing.....such wit....impressive


Thank you. Now, try to emulate it and maybe people won't be quite so convinced that you're using a stale croissant for brains.
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Post by: Citabria on July 20, 2004, 09:22:49 PM
lol

[yoda] to dokgonzo you listen yes yes [/yoda]
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Post by: Ack-Ack on July 20, 2004, 09:25:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
lucky I don't give a watermelon about YOUR opinion eh ACK

next time use I instead of WE.....like I said....the community is in the MA not on this BBS




The community is both the MA and the BBS, but then you've proven way to stupid to realize that.  Now I supposed you're gonna be really stupid and challenge me in the MA like you did Grizz.


ack-ack
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Post by: SLO on July 20, 2004, 09:28:11 PM
Fester my favorite wannabe all-star....

did I tell you lately how much you suck...you suck Dale...you now suck on Gonzo and Brat....shall we continue and see who else you will kindly suck in the future.

we found one of your little tricks remember....anymore tricks up your sleeve....only the future will tell.

ya maybe I should start a thread on your famous Get Perks quickly MAP(and you knew about it BEFORE the map came out)
since your a nobody, ya just ain't worth it

funny or amuzing.....who gives a chit.....see I'm God....I can actually tune you bozo's out:cool:
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Post by: SLO on July 20, 2004, 09:29:15 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Thank you. Now, try to emulate it and maybe people won't be quite so convinced that you're using a stale croissant for brains.


sorry Dok...I ain't no wannabe.....and I really don't wannabe like you....thx very much
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Post by: DrDea on July 20, 2004, 09:30:28 PM
I gotta see the NEW roast  :)
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Post by: SLO on July 20, 2004, 09:33:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The community is both the MA and the BBS, but then you've proven way to stupid to realize that.  Now I supposed you're gonna be really stupid and challenge me in the MA like you did Grizz.


ack-ack



sorry ack.....your space ship flyin 38 is a little too high for me....but anytime you willing.....give a shout.....you'll get sector speed alt and plane type....and may the best win
and just maybe your gonna figure YOU were stupid to even come near....lotsa so called vets paid that price


Grizz knows exactly were I'm gonna be.....but it wasn't for Grizz...it was for Brat.
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Post by: Brat on July 20, 2004, 09:34:45 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO

funny or amuzing.....who gives a chit.....see I'm God....I can actually tune you bozo's out:cool:


Yes...as you've done every 30 seconds for the past 4 1/2 hours...tuned us out...

SLO...your online persona reminds me of a washcloth tucked away neatly under a teenagers bed next to the lotion...

You'll just keep soaking it up until there's nothing left but the crusty remains of what could have been a human being...
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Post by: SLO on July 20, 2004, 09:36:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Brat
Yes...as you've done every 30 seconds for the past 4 1/2 hours...tuned us out...

SLO...your online persona reminds me of a washcloth tucked away neatly under a teenagers bed next to the lotion...

You'll just keep soaking it up until there's nothing left but the crusty remains of what could have been a human being...


or just maybe this is gonna get 2000 posts...you ever figure that out oh lowely master of nothing
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Post by: SLO on July 20, 2004, 09:37:07 PM
damn works over...cya'll tomorrow:p
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 20, 2004, 09:43:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
Fester my favorite wannabe all-star....

did I tell you lately how much you suck...you suck Dale...you now suck on Gonzo and Brat....shall we continue and see who else you will kindly suck in the future.

we found one of your little tricks remember....anymore tricks up your sleeve....only the future will tell.



What did you say about 10 posts ago: "next time use I instead of WE" ... tsk, tsk ... you best put that croissant of a brain back in the microwave. You can't keep track of your own spew for half an hour.

First you get all fixated on sheep, now on sucking. What's a matter? Your nuts in a bunch because Flopsy has just been sheared and is a bit cranky? Is that the kind of trick you look for on those cold winter nights?

Quote

ya maybe I should start a thread on your famous Get Perks quickly MAP(and you knew about it BEFORE the map came out)
since your a nobody, ya just ain't worth it

funny or amuzing.....who gives a chit.....see I'm God....I can actually tune you bozo's out:cool:


Wow. From the "get a life" ploy to the "I can leave when I want to" ploy, with a couple minor stops along the way for vintage predictable drivel throw in for nostalgia. If you bob and weave this well in the MA, then you ... well ... you must die a whole lot.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 20, 2004, 09:46:01 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
sorry ack.....your space ship flyin 38 is a little too high for me....but anytime you willing.....give a shout.....you'll get sector speed alt and plane type....[...]


Sounds like he picked high-altitude P38's ... reedin iz phunduhmendal.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 20, 2004, 09:46:34 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
damn works over...cya'll tomorrow:p


Have fun with Flopsy.
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Post by: midnight Target on July 20, 2004, 09:50:32 PM
I'm picturing one of those old inflatable clowns with the sand in the bottom. No matter how hard you smacked it, it kept coming back for more.
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Post by: Lizking on July 20, 2004, 09:54:14 PM
I'm seeing a drunken Daddy beating his child because he can.
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Post by: NUKE on July 20, 2004, 09:54:56 PM
Quote
Originally posted by midnight Target
I'm picturing one of those old inflatable clowns with the sand in the bottom. No matter how hard you smacked it, it kept coming back for more.


you mean your supposed to hit those clowns!?? Now I feel like a moron...I used to hug and kiss mine and have tea parties with it. God I miss that clown.
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Post by: Drunky on July 20, 2004, 09:58:56 PM
I'm just surprised that he keeps coming back if we are all "wannabe's" and we "suck" so badly.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Hornets made him drop the avatar and squad sig due to embarassment derived from his posts.

Slo (and you are living up to your nick) you seem to have a lot of people telling you that you are acting very stupidly.  Apparently you do not think so.  Simple questions follow:  Does anyone else agree wth you?   Does anyone else besides yourself think that you are 'handing it to them' better than you are 'getting it'?

Next point.  You are getting your bellybutton handing to you in this 'intellectual' debate that you continue to pursue and now you resolve it to 'meet me in the MA, I'll give you sector, alt etc'.  What is this going to prove?

First, chances are that you will probably stack the odds in your favor with a little help from your friends.  Secondly, just what the hell is that going to prove if you manage to not die and actually kill someone?  'Yeah...see... I'm right 'cause I keeled them in the MA.  See, that makes me right on the BB 'cause I keeled them.  This makes them ALL wrong on the BB.'

I can only hope this is a really, really good troll and I'm stupid enough for falling for it.
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Post by: Ack-Ack on July 20, 2004, 10:02:43 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
just maybe your gonna figure YOU were stupid to even come near....lotsa so called vets paid that price

 



Too funny, I've seen you run...err fly.  No worries on my end who'd win.



ack-ack
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Post by: Lizking on July 20, 2004, 10:02:47 PM
you are-you posted a picture of yourself in front of a VFW tank, fer christs sake!
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Post by: Drunky on July 20, 2004, 10:09:10 PM
But I looked seksy if front of that VFW tank.  I seem to recall that you did the same :p

Gambit.
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Post by: Quarters on July 20, 2004, 10:10:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
well now....your the Geek who put sheeps into the game....well now you are a true god.....


What level of diety-hood to I get for putting the sheep in the opening cinematic?
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Post by: JB73 on July 20, 2004, 10:13:50 PM
found this funny.. yeah im dumb

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/180_1090379594_untitled.jpg)


im really starting to like this dokgonzo dude!

bro hope to see you flying someday!
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Post by: Quarters on July 20, 2004, 10:14:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Could be after my time of active flying. Quarters or Moggy may know.


(blank stare)
(shrug)

Doesn't ring a bell.
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Post by: Grizzly on July 20, 2004, 10:39:22 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Brat
SLO...your online persona reminds me of a washcloth tucked away neatly under a teenagers bed next to the lotion...

You'll just keep soaking it up until there's nothing left but the crusty remains of what could have been a human being...


Now, this is funny!  =oD

grizzly
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Post by: Lizking on July 20, 2004, 10:51:09 PM
Grizz, no insult intended, but what is with your signature?  Do you have an inordinate amount of problems that make it easier just to post the whole damn thing everytime you speak, or what?

Don't get me wrong, I go even geekier and have a gif, but it ain't my sig.  yours is bigger than WWIIOL forum sigs, and that is just ugly.

(http://www.lizking.com/diagram0104.gif)
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Post by: Dos Equis on July 20, 2004, 10:58:11 PM
If you didn't care what happened to me,
And I didn't care for you
We would zig zag our way through the boredom and pain
Occasionally glancing up through the rain
Wondering which of the buggers to blame
And watching for pigs on the wing.
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Post by: Brat on July 20, 2004, 10:59:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Quarters
(blank stare)
(shrug)

Doesn't ring a bell.


What's the date today QT?

See what happens kids? Just say "no" to drugs!
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Post by: Grizzly on July 20, 2004, 11:01:48 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
slo is on BBS....Slowhand in the MA Grizz....come and test your little theory.(gotta wait though...testing WW2OnL)


Well I'll be damned. I'm not sure because of your accent, but I can swear you called me out! Well, how about that! Ol' grizzly being called out for the first time ever. And Slo is the one who done it.

So help me out here... you want to meet me in the MA so you can pretend to kill me with a make believe airplane, and then you'll be a man. And I'm supposed to be scared of getting killed, even though I've been killed a bazillion times already?

Trembling in my boots, I am.

grizzly
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Post by: Grizzly on July 20, 2004, 11:18:37 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Lizking
Grizz, no insult intended, but what is with your signature?  Do you have an inordinate amount of problems that make it easier just to post the whole damn thing everytime you speak, or what?

Don't get me wrong, I go even geekier and have a gif, but it ain't my sig.  yours is bigger than WWIIOL forum sigs, and that is just ugly.

(http://www.lizking.com/diagram0104.gif)


Oops... I'm sorry. I used that signature for the AH2 beta. I had forgotten to turn off the signature option, and I had the show signatures disabled so I didn't realize it was being posted. It should all be gone now.
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Post by: Drex on July 20, 2004, 11:25:50 PM
Heya DOK,

        Always had a great time flying in your scenerios.  Truely good times, of course running them was probably less of a good time. In any event they were greatly appreciated and a lot of fun.

Drex
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Post by: Dos Equis on July 20, 2004, 11:30:46 PM
Hi Drex.

I just wanted to go on record as being somebody who told Bryan Walker in many forums and wherever I could that Confirmed Kill was a pipe dream, and that it would never see the light of day. It's not often I am on the right side of history. I don't want to equate the revised CK with TAS, clearly CK was a real game being worked on - but it never did get released.

Since we seem to be digging up ghosts here...

From: Sergei Bondarenko (Sergei.Bondarenko@p7.f12.n5001.z2.fidonet.org)
Subject: Confirmed Kill Preview
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
Newsgroups: fido7.ru.game.flight
Date: 1997/07/30

Hello All!

Confirmed Kill
by Leonard (Viking1) Hjalmarson

Yes, Virginia, 1997 will be THE year of the flight simulation, and the Internet
is one of the main vehicles that will make this true. There are TWO incredible
pieces of simulation in the works for all those WB and AW fans, and for others
who have avoided that particular pursuit because "suspension of disbelief" in
the form of great graphics had not yet arrived. TAS is one, and Confirmed Kill
by Eidos International will be the other....
Eidos International is a new comer on the map this year, and what a year they
are having! With the introduction of TombRaider, and two more inredible
simulations in the works, they are certainly making a splash in the simulation
world!
Eidos is currently working on three major projects: Flying Nightmares II,
Flying Nightmares Commandant, and Confirmed Kill. Bryan Walker is heading up the
development for these military simulations, and Bryan has the background to see
that its done right, with a number of years piloting AH64 Apaches under his
belt.
Flying Nightmares: Commandant looks like an incredible blend of strategy and
simulation in a virtual battlefield. Confirmed Kill, on the other hand, is
looking to make a major dent in the multi-player world previously dominated by
Air Warrior and WarBirds. From what I have seen and heard to date, Tactical Aero
Squadron will be the only competitor worthy of note with the coming release of
CK.
A little history is in order. This sim has been on the drawing board even since
the ICI/Domark split. ICI launched Warbirds and Domark (now Eidos) kept the CK
name and began working on an entirely new sim. Latest estimates for release
place CK somewhere in February.
The Simulation
The largest delay for CK has been the construction of flight models. Modelling
in CK will surpass anything seen to date, possibly excluding TAS which is also
in beta. More than 450 parameters, including gunnery and damage models, must be
individually entered for each aircraft. From weights and dimensions, to
measurements of thrust lines, and even prop dimensions... all this information
goes into making a state of the art on-line simulation.
At the moment, CK will have thirteen airframes available on release. Nine more
will be added later. Altogether twenty-seven ac will be modelled, eventually
including five Soviet ac such as the La-7.
Initial aircraft include the P51D Mustang, F6F3/5 Hellcat, Spitfire MK .V/IX,
F4F Wildcat, F4U-1D Corsair and the P38J Lightning. Allied ac to be added later
include the P51H, P47N Thunderbolt, Spitfire MK.XVI, SBD Dauntless and TBM
Avenger.
Initial German aircraft include the Bf 109G/K, JU-87G2 Stuka, FW 190A5 and FW
190D9. Japanese aircraft will be limited initially to the A6M5 Zero, followed
later by the Ki-84 Frank, Kate and Val. Initial Russian aircraft will include
the IL-10 Sturmovik and LA-5/7, followed later by the Yak 3/9.
No more milling around an area wondering what to do, scenarios will be designed
around clear-cut objectives. The mission planner is being designed to allow the
player to design and save their own created scenarios, and the planner will
allow a high degree of tactical planning and organization. Dedicated squadron
areas will enhance the comaraderie.

Player Interface and Mission Planner

Arranging flights should be a simple matter, even for newcomers. A Player Lobby
has been developed which will allow players to meet and sort allies and
opponents by Name, Squadron, Rank, and Connection quality. Players will be able
to choose from dozens of historically accurate and play balanced scenarios.
As can be seen from the screen shots, (taken from a beta running under
Rendition acceleration) suspension of disbelief has jumped up a few notches.
When you are spiralling groundward, you may forget you are only flying your PC.
And with support for major 3d hardware included, frame rate issues at high
resolutions will no longer nag.
Following the current trends, CK will come with the standard virtual cockpit.
Correctly implemented, this is a great addition to Situational Awareness. A
padlock mode that realistically mirrors the human limitations of neck strain
should also be included.
As for difficulty, flight models, damage, models, gunnery models, red
outs/blackouts, sun blind spots, mid-air collisions, ammunition loads, and fuel
consumption are just a few of the parameters that can be adjusted for each
scenario. (The scoring system makes adjustments for the difficulty settings, so
killing everything in sight with all the settings on their easiest level won't
make anyone King...)
To my delight, much of Cks design is dedicated to attack aircraft, so surface
units will have realistic behaviors, including self-defense and avoidance
tactics! Not only does this add an entirely new dimension for a sim, it also
contributes to realism. When you are also dealing with moving and offensive
ground targets, you are in an environment that keeps you moving!

Viva la Difference!

CK plans a major departure from the Warbirds/AW environment. Players will be
required to agree on terms of engagement before the fight begins. In Warbirds or
AW, one was always at the mercy of anyone who had simply started flying before
you and had the energy/alt advantage.
Not only will such changes mean that skill will count for more, it will mean
less counting from the back account too! Furthermore, with CK available on the
Total Entertainment Network for a flat monthly fee of $30 for unlimited air
time, it promises to be a great addition to the simulation world! Later in the
year a single player version will also appear....

Sergei
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 20, 2004, 11:35:04 PM
Heh ... yeah, I think we called WB  "Confirmed Birds" for a while there.
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Post by: Dos Equis on July 20, 2004, 11:55:07 PM
I had forgotten how much of a fit Voss threw back then when Robey debunked him. He really threw a tantrum. He starts screaming "it's none of your business" like a little freak. You can see the seams coming off and the dreamworld beginning to explode. It kind of reminds me of the end of "Identity" where John Cusack starts screaming just as he realizes he's the Fester-esque killer.

From: Paul \"Voss\" Hinds (vosswars@nwark.com)
Subject: Re: TAS discussion. (typed in a hurry so sue me)
View: Complete Thread (6 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim
Date: 1997/06/06

: Nos, his claims have been disproven beyond a reasonable doubt. As

BULLHOCKEY!!!!

pips, R.Price, et al,

If you are looking for confirmation, or denial, go to hell, stop reading
now, and accept your current opinion as *truth*. I don't lie. That should
be simple enough, even for you twits.

  I don't appreciate the general witchhunt you guys have created in
response to letters sent just a month ago. Not even a month ago. To LIE and
pat each other on the back for a "good kill" after a few of you got
together and gossiped and rumorized, etc. is just totally unlike anything
an Air Force Officer would do. Navy pukes maybe, but not Air Force.
Furthermore, to perpetuate this *crap* on the usenet is something I would
expect of idiotic brats, not airmen.

  To begin with, this all began after a review I did with Michael and *name
withheld* for our "soon to be released" game. Michael slipped and said
something "off the record" which I then corrected and asked *name withheld*
to ignore. He agreed. Three months passed before Robey Price began looking
into things which are none of his business. Got that Robey? It's NONE OF
YOUR BUSINESS! You, and you alone, are responsible for the escalation of
this crap. I don't blame you (too much) though. It must be pretty boring
hauling cattle for a living. Had I NOT fallen ill at such a poorly timed
occasion I would have gotten back to you. I believe your letter deserved
more then a perfunctory (look it up) note which is all I have had time for.
Yes, I answered others. No, they were short notes and did not involve
calling up people in far away places to confirm something for you CHILDREN!
BTW, your note was dated May 10, 1997. Not March 10, which some idiots are
trying to convince us all of. I am not so easily fooled, so get used to it.
  Yes, pips, I quess that includes you.
  THEN! Of all the nerve! You send a young man into a den of lions to
obtain information for your kangaroo court! Do you really lack
entertainment to this degree? Just what the hell did you expect him to come
back with? Then I get all these psychopathic ravings in my email. "Oneman
and Voss are the same guy", and "I called the University." You're a real
loser Robey! I mean that! Even the liberal press of today has more couth
then to print such rubbish before they CAREFULLY review the facts.
  Do I owe you an explanation? Hell no! Am I going to give you one? In a
pigs eye!
  I never said anything like what you are implying (hell, outright stating)
on the BBS, on WB, or even in AW. If you think I did, or any of your
friends, you need to get off the cold medicine and rejoin the real world.
  Now, I wonder why Paul "Voss" Hinds is SO PISSEY? Well, you have
obviously made an outright attempt to thwart my efforts in creating a bona
fide flight simulation. You have made Michael so nervous he is withdrawing
from our partnership. You have caused the closing of our BBS, and now my
best development team element is so upset he's withdrawn from the team. Now
my squad has even asked for my resignation! Thanks "skeptical *******" (his
words)! Could I sue you? YES! Am I going to? I don't think it's necessary.
Do I want you on the beta team? I think you know the answer; all of you.
  The next time you hear something on a VIRTUAL GAME, take it for the
virtual crap it is. You never know who is flying that rig over there. I
know ICI doesn't like more then one person flying a single account. So
fornicating what! If they want to keep me off the game, that's their loss.
I expect to lose quite a bit of ground with all the bull splatter you've
stirred up. I appreciate it, I really do.
  Now, if you don't mind, I am going to have to work VERY hard to come up
with the cash to finance the completion of this game. The extra work load
is something you helped to perpetuate. I appreciate all the information you
forwarded regarding fields of the era, but that does not give you the right
to make demands upon me. I offered "Tactical Aero Squadron" up for FREE
testing with a FREE discussion board. I did not deserve the accusations
that you forced upon all of us, and I do not need your crap now, nor in the
future.
  I know you have delighted in creating havoc and mayhem on the Internet.
You went so far as to warn Michael and Bill not to give me any money. You
probably don't know that I gave Michael 50% of Pro-Line just for discussing
ideas and helping to create a playable game. I never asked Bill for
anything. Nothing. (In all fairness Michael was nice enough to furnish a
development computer)
  So! Where's your scandal? In your head *******! Vent it for us!
  Don't bother sending me email in the future. It'll get sent to the
recycle bin before it ever gets here. I promise you.
  Now, I am off to recuperate my health. I don't expect there will be much
of a test group left when I get back (I hope in three weeks). I will inform
everyone via the web site when TAS is ready (we have a demo coming together
too). If Michael really does withdraw from our partnership it may take a
little longer, as that would require a visit to Austin to finalize
legalities. Maybe longer then anyone will care to wait.
  Does the sun rise and set around your ass? I think not!
 
  THANKS ROBEY!

Paul "Voss" Hinds
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Post by: Misfit on July 21, 2004, 12:16:03 AM
So the 4 Horsemen were legit:D
I am a A8 junkie (its a love/hate thing) and have been this way since AWer 3. J_A_B i appreciate the heads up. Sure do wish i could find out who they were. AWer game IDs i mean. DocDoom one of the 4?

When i first heard of em i didnt believe the "Myth". Pretty cool to find out they were legit.
Title: Irony
Post by: Drunky on July 21, 2004, 12:16:13 AM
Oh the irony

Quote
Originally posted by Paul 'Voss' Hinds
*snip*

Now, I wonder why Paul "Voss" Hinds is SO PISSEY?

*snip*

Now my squad has even asked for my resignation!
THANKS ROBEY!

*snip*

Paul "Voss" Hinds


Funny how history repeats itself.

Slo 'I don't live in the past' perhaps you should pay attention to history.
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Post by: Drunky on July 21, 2004, 12:26:37 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Misfit
I am a A8 junkie (its a love/hate thing) and have been this way since AWer 3.


The A8 has always been my favorite of the 190's.  D9 flies extremely well but *shrug* I've always favored the A8.  It doesn't fly as well or roll as well as the the Dore but it does have one helluva gun package.

I imagine Slo flies suck pussified planes as spits or la7s.  He's a wannabe that wishes he could compete with someone as good as Fester/Citibria.  In fact, I believe that Slo (being the wannabe) is probably sucking in suck planes.  Just becuase he's a wannabe that sucks planes.  Probably his suck planes are all wannabes.  I'd be willing to bet that all the suck plane are all wannabes and they just don't know it.  Hell, he probably thinks that all the suck planes are all wannabes and all wannabes are all the suck planes.  Perchance, all suck are alll wannabes.  Of course it must be considered that all wannabes are suck also.

Hey Slo...you seem to keep lining up these duel like Mr. Black would line up fist fights.

Hiya Rip.  Post me a few pictures please.
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Post by: Sox62 on July 21, 2004, 12:50:59 AM
The second I saw Brat's first post I just knew this thread would come back to life.


GBY Brat.
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Post by: Arlo on July 21, 2004, 12:59:11 AM
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/Slorate.gif)
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Post by: Nash on July 21, 2004, 01:05:11 AM
lol omg good stuff.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 21, 2004, 01:15:21 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Sox62
The second I saw Brat's first post I just knew this thread would come back to life.


GBY Brat.


Too bad the community isn't here in the BBS.
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Post by: Pongo on July 21, 2004, 01:19:33 AM
I will never every flame arlo again.
ever
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Post by: J_A_B on July 21, 2004, 01:31:02 AM
Misfit--

I looked up your group of guys on some OLD Air Warrior web sites.   This may not be completely accurate but it's the best I can do (remember in this time frame I was barely involved with AW)

The "Four Horsemen" of Air Warrior as they're now remembered made their reputation on the Mac AirWarrior beta server in the 1995 era.  Their ID's were Fogy, Fool, Bull, and Columbo according to the info I dug up.   Basically they were Ex-GENIE players who, as such, were far more skilled than the maority of MAc AW players (most of whom were new to flightsims) and accordingly they owned the virtual skies for a time.

Obviously someone who was actually present on that server in this time frame could confirm or correct this.  I was not playing steady until mid 1996, and never on the MAC version.


J_A_B
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 21, 2004, 01:44:06 AM
Quote
Originally posted by J_A_B
Misfit--

The "Four Horsemen" of Air Warrior as they're now remembered made their reputation on the Mac AirWarrior beta server in the 1995 era.  Their ID's were Fogy, Fool, Bull, and Columbo according to the info I dug up.   Basically they were Ex-GENIE players who, as such, were far more skilled than the maority of MAc AW players (most of whom were new to flightsims) and accordingly they owned the virtual skies for a time.

J_A_B


I remember Fool (#5047 I think) and Fogy. The other two don't ring a bell. Fool was pretty good ... but not an Untouchable.
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Post by: Nash on July 21, 2004, 01:46:19 AM
Quote
Originally posted by J_A_B
Misfit--

I looked up your group of guys on some OLD Air Warrior web sites.   This may not be completely accurate but it's the best I can do (remember in this time frame I was barely involved with AW)

The "Four Horsemen" of Air Warrior as they're now remembered made their reputation on the Mac AirWarrior beta server in the 1995 era.  Their ID's were Fogy, Fool, Bull, and Columbo according to the info I dug up.   Basically they were Ex-GENIE players who, as such, were far more skilled than the maority of MAc AW players (most of whom were new to flightsims) and accordingly they owned the virtual skies for a time.

Obviously someone who was actually present on that server in this time frame could confirm or correct this.  I was not playing steady until mid 1996, and never on the MAC version.


J_A_B


Those guys were in the Shadow Riders. Awesome group. If anyone's heard from Bull tell him to give me a ring.
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Post by: Misfit on July 21, 2004, 01:49:16 AM
Once again J_A_B, i appreciate it. Now this is good stuff:D
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Post by: Nash on July 21, 2004, 01:53:15 AM
er but... I hung with those guys... They weren't Four Horsemen or 4Q or whatever.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 21, 2004, 02:00:11 AM
I'm pretty sure Fool flew in the Flying Circus for a while too.
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Post by: J_A_B on July 21, 2004, 02:04:36 AM
"four horsemen"  just seems to be a nickname somebody gave them on the mac server; makes sense if their actual squad name was "Shadow Riders" as Nash suggests.


Hey DoK, weren't you a fan of the Russian rides, specifically the LA series?   Or am I thinking of some other guy?  


J_A_B
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Post by: Nash on July 21, 2004, 02:08:38 AM
lol.... Starting to see where the confusion is coming from....

The info J_A_B dug up is from the Smoking Wreks webpage, from "The Book of Mac Dweeb" wherein it says:

"and finally didst come the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: Fogy, Fool, Bull, and Columbo. Demi-Gods were they, and many an hour in Air Warrior didst they fly in years past, and countless were the dweebs they had rent asunder."

"Four Horsemen" is just a fancy way of talking about 4 guys in the Shadow Riders. They were a Pony squad, mainly.

The writing is great.... the work of none other than Spitboy.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 21, 2004, 02:09:43 AM
Quote
Originally posted by J_A_B
"four horsemen"  just seems to be a nickname somebody gave them on the mac server; makes sense if their actual squad name was "Shadow Riders" as Nash suggests.


Hey DoK, weren't you a fan of the Russian rides, specifically the LA series?   Or am I thinking of some other guy?  


J_A_B


I campaigned for their inclusion. Planes like the Yak-3 and La-7 scared the SLO out of the Germans so it seemed like they should be in the game.
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Post by: Thrawn on July 21, 2004, 02:20:17 AM
Only on the intardnet will you find a bunch of guys trying to act like a bunch of badasses because they were involved with a freaking video game ages ago.  :aok
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 21, 2004, 02:22:13 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Thrawn
Only on the intardnet will you find a bunch of guys trying to act like a bunch of badasses because they were involved with a freaking video game ages ago.  :aok


I'm bored with you already.
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Post by: Thrawn on July 21, 2004, 02:27:12 AM
Well I'm certainly relieved.  I don't have to worry about any of that devistating text you might type at me.  :rolleyes:
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Post by: J_A_B on July 21, 2004, 02:27:16 AM
Thanks for clearing it up Nash.   Doing the best I can to answer Misfit but my best is far from perfect.

J_A_B
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Post by: Nash on July 21, 2004, 02:36:00 AM
This "video game" involves people, history, friendships, folklore and you name it. It spans well over a decade.

As such, people tend to discuss it. It's not about being a badass. It's about recollection, saying hi to old friends, and etc.

I don't really see the connection to the dismissive phrase "video games", but dismissive is exactly what that phrase is supposed to connote.

It really shouldn't be dismissed.

If the entire AH2 community were forced to go back and learn about all that came before, it'd look a lot different out there right now.
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Post by: Thrawn on July 21, 2004, 02:39:48 AM
I'm sure you're right Nash, but I find the level of pompousness too much (and yes I appreciate the hypocracy).
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Post by: Nash on July 21, 2004, 02:40:27 AM
there is that....
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Post by: flyingaround on July 21, 2004, 06:48:29 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Brat
your online persona reminds me of a washcloth tucked away neatly under a teenagers bed next to the lotion...

You'll just keep soaking it up until there's nothing left but the crusty remains of what could have been a human being...


sig. material there.  fekin' hillarious!!
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Post by: Smut on July 21, 2004, 06:58:08 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Thrawn
Only on the intardnet will you find a bunch of guys trying to act like a bunch of badasses because they were involved with a freaking video game ages ago.  :aok


You seem to be the one trying to act like a badass. All I see is a bunch of online vets reconnecting.

And some of us are proud of our "freaking video game" work.

So piss off.

-Smut
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Post by: Quarters on July 21, 2004, 07:16:51 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Brat
What's the date today QT?


If you need to know the date just look above your name after you make a post, Brat. HT's put all teh b3llz 4nd whi5tl3z in this here badboy of a forum system.

Why do I always have to keep instructing you in the easy things?

1) Get a calendar
2) Getting your picture taken with booth babes is ok.
3) Always show up to E3 parties early so you can get in before the fire marshal starts turning people away.


Simple stuff, see?
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Post by: Mini D on July 21, 2004, 08:03:29 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Dos Equis
I just wanted to go on record as being somebody who told Bryan Walker in many forums and wherever I could that Confirmed Kill was a pipe dream, and that it would never see the light of day. It's not often I am on the right side of history. I don't want to equate the revised CK with TAS, clearly CK was a real game being worked on - but it never did get released.
I still have the beta CDs from CK.  I remember seeing people start right in with the "CK is gonna have...." stuff on the forums in the old day.  Anyone arguing that way obviously wasn't beta testing it.  But, at least that was an honest effort at a game.

MiniD
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Post by: Horn on July 21, 2004, 09:20:34 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Nash
"and finally didst come the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: Fogy, Fool, Bull, and Columbo. Demi-Gods were they, and many an hour in Air Warrior didst they fly in years past, and countless were the dweebs they had rent asunder."

"Four Horsemen" is just a fancy way of talking about 4 guys in the Shadow Riders. They were a Pony squad, mainly.

The writing is great.... the work of none other than Spitboy.


Fool flies here pretty regularly for The Damned. Columbo is over at WB's, still onna Mac (as is Spitboy). Bull & Fogy have been MIA for quite a while. They were part of the Shadow Riders squad.

h
(old MacAW guy)
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Post by: TheDudeDVant on July 21, 2004, 09:35:33 AM
Horn, were you ever just plain Mac? I'm almost certain I remember flying and
n a 'Mac'... hehe
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Post by: Naso on July 21, 2004, 09:56:22 AM
This thread is awesome.

I am sad that I have discovered the on-line sims, and the relative communities, so late.

The old times you vets are talking about must have been wonderful, funnier, and happier.

And I could have learned a better english reading the forums.

;)
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 21, 2004, 10:13:33 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Thrawn
I'm sure you're right Nash, but I find the level of pompousness too much (and yes I appreciate the hypocracy).


Sometimes pompousness is justifiied.

Now scamper away, sphincter-dweller.
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Post by: AWBrat on July 21, 2004, 10:29:15 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Quarters
If you need to know the date just look above your name after you make a post, Brat. HT's put all teh b3llz 4nd whi5tl3z in this here badboy of a forum system.

Why do I always have to keep instructing you in the easy things?

1) Get a calendar
2) Getting your picture taken with booth babes is ok.
3) Always show up to E3 parties early so you can get in before the fire marshal starts turning people away.


Simple stuff, see?


Touche`

Best E3 party ever...wish we could have gone...

So how's the new digs...what's it like working for Mark Jacobs <---ROFL!!!

Next time you're wandering around the DAoC side of things, give Sanya (Tweety), Copper, Lum and Olivia a really dirty look and tell them it was from me...
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Post by: Horn on July 21, 2004, 10:39:07 AM
Quote
Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Horn, were you ever just plain Mac? I'm almost certain I remember flying and
n a 'Mac'... hehe


Neg, wasn't me. There was a Mac flying Bz IIRC in MacAW--dunno what became of him--as an additional note--Ren, Coach, NB, Tinman, Snoman, & Felix are all flying here for The Damned--some of ya'll might remember a name or two... ;)

h
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Post by: midnight Target on July 21, 2004, 10:46:08 AM
OMG names out of the past.

Many of them killed me repeatedly.

Anyone remember ?
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Post by: GtoRA2 on July 21, 2004, 10:49:30 AM
MT
 you flew under the handle ????



:D :D :D
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 21, 2004, 10:56:52 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Naso
This thread is awesome.

I am sad that I have discovered the on-line sims, and the relative communities, so late.

The old times you vets are talking about must have been wonderful, funnier, and happier.

And I could have learned a better english reading the forums.

;)


For the history-minded, I posted many of my recollections of the early daze of AW on my site.

T-Rex a'la Mode (http://www.gonzoville.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=12)
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Post by: AWBrat on July 21, 2004, 11:10:09 AM
Thanx DoK...great read, as always
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Post by: Horn on July 21, 2004, 11:11:01 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
For the history-minded, I posted many of my recollections of the early daze of AW on my site.

T-Rex a'la Mode (http://www.gonzoville.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=12)


Oh and 715 is here too (from your first story on that page).

h
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 21, 2004, 11:11:58 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Thrawn
Only on the intardnet will you find a bunch of guys trying to act like a bunch of badasses because they were involved with a freaking video game ages ago.  :aok


  Hear that sound? That`s the unpacking of crates, the opening of boxs that were packed long ago.  It`s the solid click of  joysticks and rudders being attached to PCs. It`s the sound of old warriors once again donning armor ( in some cases studded leather G-strings :D ).
  Hear the murmur of voices getting louder, growing closer? That`s the sound of warrior friends reuniting to do battle.
  Hear the thunder on the horizon? Behold the second coming of greatness !
  No better place than hear. No better time than NOW.  :) <--- I borrowed that one.
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Post by: AKIron on July 21, 2004, 11:12:00 AM
We're gonna have to pick up the pace here if we're ever gonna catch that 300K+ post thread on some bbs. Doin' my part.
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Post by: Misfit on July 21, 2004, 11:58:43 AM
J_A_B, Nash and 4 guys thanks for clearing that up for me. I believe what Nash found is exactly what i had read years ago and started my quest to find out about the "4 Horsemen".

Now what about this mail thing i've heard whispers about called "Big Week" i think it is?


BTW HARRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!:D
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Post by: Horn on July 21, 2004, 12:03:10 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Misfit

Now what about this mail thing i've heard whispers about called "Big Week" i think it is?


Not email, a UseNet newsgroup.

Point your newsreader to

news.kraits.org, then click on bigweek.general & bigweek.sheepspen (if you like a hetero gentleman's club).

Bring thick skin or better yet lurk the place for a while to see how stuff works there. To see the participants, goto http://www.look-at-ewe.com

h
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Post by: Misfit on July 21, 2004, 12:10:44 PM
Danke for the info once again.
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Post by: midnight Target on July 21, 2004, 12:25:28 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GtoRA2
MT
 you flew under the handle ????



:D :D :D


LOL.. no

BUN was Bunny. She flew for C-land IIRC. Very cool Aviatrix.
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Post by: Vermin -=<4Q>=- on July 21, 2004, 12:52:15 PM
Quote
Originally posted by hitech
Greets Quaters, Vermin.


HiTEch


Howdy HT!  The hate in this thread summoned me back from the underworld. :D

  It's been ages since I've seriously played a WWII flight sim, but I have to admit AH 2.0 looks and feels mighty sweet! I'm gonna have to pick up a decent sick and throttle this weekend and start working off the years of rust. :)

 I can already tell that Slo and I will be da very best of friends!

*Wave* to Dok, Quarters and the rest of the old guys who managed to stay alive this long. :)
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Post by: Arlo on July 21, 2004, 12:58:56 PM
My dark side (the side well hidden) has always wanted to be a 4Q.

Alas .... my light (pale) side belongs to VF-17.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 21, 2004, 01:17:05 PM
Hey Verm. I fly for the Rooks with a bunch of the squealing Pigs and other names from the past. I'll look for you online. Get a VOX headset too ... it makes a huge difference.

The hardest thing to get back is gunnery. The SA, flying skills, and Hate never really fade.
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Post by: seabat on July 21, 2004, 01:30:53 PM
Jeez, I had forgotton how much fun the old AW boards were when some of the names above got rollin.
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Post by: Tex68 on July 21, 2004, 01:43:16 PM
almost there......
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Post by: Tex68 on July 21, 2004, 01:44:18 PM
1400

:)  :D  :p  :cool:  :lol  :rofl  :aok
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Post by: Misfit on July 21, 2004, 02:05:58 PM
Hey Arlo,
I just saw your pick on the Big Week pic board. Ya better stay with the Darkside :lol ............................. ..........................J/K

BTW Gonzo didnt mean to leave ya out of the "Thanks" posted above just grouped ya in with the 4Qs:cool:
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Post by: Nwbie on July 21, 2004, 02:06:19 PM
Just wanted to get in, I started way back when aol was pay per hour, I remember getting first charge card bill after 1 1/2 monthes and hiding it from the wife mostly muttering, oh chit, oh chit, 1 1/2 months of augering into the runway trying to takeoff, and shooting at the same teammates and not knowing that all that text yelling was aimed at me lol.
Great bunch of guys in those days, still thank NB (Fidel and whoever his other six split personalities were :) ), sehob, Worid, buncha WM number dudes, for having the patience to teach us newbs during those days.


NwBie
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 21, 2004, 03:05:26 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Misfit
Hey Arlo,
I just saw your pick on the Big Week pic board. Ya better stay with the Darkside :lol ............................. ..........................J/K

BTW Gonzo didnt mean to leave ya out of the "Thanks" posted above just grouped ya in with the 4Qs:cool:


I was the leader of the 4Q ... but wasn't involved with (or even heard of) the 4 Horsemen..
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Post by: DieAz on July 21, 2004, 05:05:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Nwbie
Just wanted to get in, I started way back when aol was pay per hour, I remember getting first charge card bill after 1 1/2 monthes and hiding it from the wife mostly muttering, oh chit, oh chit, 1 1/2 months of augering into the runway trying to takeoff, and shooting at the same teammates and not knowing that all that text yelling was aimed at me lol.
Great bunch of guys in those days, still thank NB (Fidel and whoever his other six split personalities were :) ), sehob, Worid, buncha WM number dudes, for having the patience to teach us newbs during those days.


NwBie




You old guys are funny as all get out, hope yall stick around. yall liven things up around here ;)
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Post by: Drifter1234 on July 21, 2004, 06:44:51 PM
All this talk of olden days got my old brain cells working.

Does anyone remember a series of posts on the AW BB about a guy who worked at NASA.  I believe the posts were made in the 1995-6 time frame but were about the early days of NASA.  

Rememeber then as being some of the funnier things I had seen.
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Post by: SLO on July 21, 2004, 07:59:28 PM
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Too funny, I've seen you run...err fly.  No worries on my end who'd win.



ack-ack


yup thats what they said too....

your confidence is high VMPR....

oh and how did you see me run when you're perched at 25k....

cheap talk bubba, why don't we let our guns do the talking.
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Post by: Misfit on July 21, 2004, 08:03:19 PM
O my bad Gonzo
Thought you were one of the guys who remembered  one of em. The ID was "Fool" or something.
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No matter
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Post by: Nash on July 21, 2004, 08:08:01 PM
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Originally posted by Misfit
The ID was "Fool" or something.


Yup you have it right. And according to Horn, Fool flies here in AH now for the Damned.

The peices are starting to fall into place, grasshopper. You know what you have to do.
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Post by: J_A_B on July 21, 2004, 08:13:40 PM
"Does anyone remember a series of posts on the AW BB about a guy who worked at NASA. I believe the posts were made in the 1995-6 time frame but were about the early days of NASA. "


Do you mean "Scavenger" in the 1993 time frame?  

The Musketeers website has them availalble online.

I Was There by T. Naughton (http://www.musketeers.org/THUD/scav/index.html)


J_A_B
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Post by: Arlo on July 21, 2004, 08:18:15 PM
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Post by: DJ111 on July 21, 2004, 08:19:37 PM
Yer goin straight to hell fer that one!



:rofl
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Post by: Drifter1234 on July 21, 2004, 08:21:21 PM
J_A_B

Beautiful that was exactly what I was looking for.   Remembered them but did not realize they were scavenger.  

Thanks for the link.

Oh my god, The 386 divine wind. I forgot all about that one.  

Again thx
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Post by: SLO on July 21, 2004, 08:34:12 PM
in the game Arlo, you know, the game, were you suck worse then a noob(a blindfolded noob at that)
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Post by: Arlo on July 21, 2004, 08:56:35 PM
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Post by: mietla on July 21, 2004, 09:03:11 PM
:D
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Post by: airbumba on July 21, 2004, 09:10:14 PM
So where'd Meta whoever go?

....and will we see more of a new name...very shortly...or is he already in our midst?

(possibly a name starting with an A, or would Paul /Voss have the balls to comeback?)

t.i.a.t.c.i.v.r.s.u.n.i.
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 21, 2004, 11:40:05 PM
So,

I'm sitting here waiting for a freakin' auction on Ebay to end at 2am EST so's I can blithly snipe it at the last second (from the greedy little clutches of dweebs that really think it's about bidding it up fair and square) and I was faced with a choice on how to kill some time:

A) Put my non-waterproof Maglight in a big ol' ziplock bag, grab a net, and try to relocate a bullfrog that thinks my swimming pool is a Chineese karaoke bar with free crickets on the buffet. (Singing starts at 11.)

OR

B) Jump into this thread from hell.

Cod forgive me, I don't feel like getting all wet just to have the pleasure of walking an angry frog 1/4 mile down to the dock to throw him in.  So I'm here.

Ya, Ya, this is a new account - I lost the cookie to my "Ratbo" account and long since killed the braincell that knew the password. That's OK - I was known by the lame bellybutton handle of =B17= in AW much longer than when I finally arrived at something original like Ratbo.  (PS - no not the ******* B17 from the AW2 Beta)

So I was reading this thread and continually getting amazed at who popped out of the woodwork.

Summary:  There are a couple online preditors that "the greater community" will always out - wherever they *think* they are hiding.

(No Slo - the community is not in the MA - the community is located somewhere intangible - beyond the limits of your ability to reason - call it the Twilight Zone if you want.)

These preditors have taken real people for real money and real trust - not in an arena. Those of us that were around the 1st time don't really feel the need to "prove it again beyond a reasonable doubt" you take the warning - or you don't.

It's unfortunate that (Slo aside) that MetaVoss's squad got caught up in this. My take is this: Hornets, there are people telling you that you now have a **** in your pants, you can wear that **** proudly like a badge of honor, or you can shake it down the pantleg.  Like someone said, just because a convicted child molester didn't bugger *your* kid is no reason to hand him a new pack of Cub Scouts.  (Slo - you catching any of this?)

Dale, you're right - Brat's style does appear reminiscent of the DoK of old. Bobby was always ascerbic, and later studied a lot of the stuff of Mark and the 4Q and BB and etc etc. He was also burned pretty well by gaming companies. With him, the art is both instinctive and a "schooled thing". He's gotten better with age.

I spent the last hour laughing at a BBS as I have not done in ages it seems. I want to thank Slo for being the idiot du jour (is my French ok?) so as to let the masters do what they do. I've seen Jimi Hendrix play a guitar behind his back, I've seen Joe Perry do a nice tribute to that act. You (Slo for clarity) however, have mastered the art of painting a bullseye on your back while staring straight ahead and screaming. If ignorance is bliss, you must be in nirvanna dood.

I've never seen anyone insult HT, Verm, and Dok in the same thread - most impressive performance. If BB came in here and did a rant on internet sociopaths - you'd no doubt teach him a thing or two also.

In a sick way - I want to thank Voss and KenJr for being the ultimate piles of ***** that keep the old flies circling the wagons. DD nailed it though, it's the spotlight that keeps them from doing further harm.

If more vets keep flying - I'll have to buy a joystick....  I'm not sure burnout ever has a real ending - but if DoK can do it - then perhaps we all have some hope - even DD .

This thread brought tears to my eyes.... in more ways than one.

Something fluttered.....

-W
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Post by: Slash27 on July 22, 2004, 12:12:43 AM
Nash, thats the best damn avatar yet. Holy monkey those are nice.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 22, 2004, 01:00:22 AM
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Originally posted by SLO
in the game Arlo, you know, the game, were you suck worse then a noob(a blindfolded noob at that)


(http://www.gonzoville.com/FILEZ/slo-clown.gif)
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Post by: Nash on July 22, 2004, 01:06:10 AM
I have a certain amount of confidence in my abilities....

But one can never be sure...

Therefore, I will NEVAH fight a guy holding a dildo.
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Post by: Brat on July 22, 2004, 01:06:25 AM
OMG...ROFL...geezuz DoK...I'm going to have nightmares until I'm your age now...

Howdy Wayne...thanks...I think...

This thread is great...brings back so many fond memories...now all we need is for Zanth to sleep with everyone and it'll be just like AW...

Damn...did I say that out loud?
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Post by: airbumba on July 22, 2004, 01:57:25 AM
Brat, does your sig mean, F$#% Yourself you F@#*&& ^ F&^%* ?
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Post by: Arlo on July 22, 2004, 02:00:34 AM
Fortunately, yes, you fine fellow.
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Post by: Quarters on July 22, 2004, 07:08:34 AM
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Originally posted by Nwbie
Just wanted to get in, I started way back when aol was pay per hour


Look, It's a young-un!
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Post by: Quarters on July 22, 2004, 07:27:02 AM
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Originally posted by AWBrat
Touche`
So how's the new digs...what's it like working for Mark Jacobs <---ROFL!!!

Next time you're wandering around the DAoC side of things, give Sanya (Tweety), Copper, Lum and Olivia a really dirty look and tell them it was from me...


Mark the person is far different than Mark the persona, Brat---and this is a perfect thread to state that since everyone will grok the concept.

Think of it is this way...he's been doing something right 'cause he outlasted the Newscorp and EA corporate droids in the online space. Truth be told he's a really nice guy and honestly cares for his employees. I know you'll find that hard to swallow, given your past run-ins with him online, but it is true.

I talk to Sanya daily. Sanya's been ribbing me since the day of my interview and I enjoy picking on her too. Scott I don't know so well. He and I (and a few others) are going to Meltdown next week so maybe I'll have a chance to drop your name and watch him go ghost-white.

Dunno who Copper and Olivia are. I'll have to ask around.
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Post by: Maniac on July 22, 2004, 07:57:30 AM
Cool thread.

I will have to print this monster out and read it on my vacation under the sun with a beer or two..

If anyone said hello to me in this thread (only read like the 5 first pages) then to you hehe.

:aok
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Post by: slimm50 on July 22, 2004, 08:31:14 AM
How long can a thread go on? Is there no limit? Dear Lord, let it end, puhleeeeeeeeezzzzze!:p
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 22, 2004, 08:36:33 AM
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Originally posted by Nwbie
, 1 1/2 months of augering into the runway trying to takeoff, and shooting at the same teammates and not knowing that all that text yelling was aimed at me lol.
Great bunch of guys in those daysB]


So.....nothing much has changed for ya, has it bro? lmao  I can still make a much more artistic crater than you can though. Just like in AW. lol
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Post by: slimm50 on July 22, 2004, 08:56:36 AM
Holy shreckin crap:eek:  I tried to print this beast out.....680 pages!!!
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Post by: SirLoin on July 22, 2004, 08:58:48 AM
Yer gonna need a replacement cartridge before this thread is done.
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 22, 2004, 09:25:34 AM
"Wake up Voss"

Karaya
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Post by: Pongo on July 22, 2004, 10:28:31 AM
jesus christ Nash cut it out
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Post by: AWBrat on July 22, 2004, 10:53:18 AM
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Originally posted by Quarters
Mark the person is far different than Mark the persona, Brat---and this is a perfect thread to state that since everyone will grok the concept.

Think of it is this way...he's been doing something right 'cause he outlasted the Newscorp and EA corporate droids in the online space. Truth be told he's a really nice guy and honestly cares for his employees. I know you'll find that hard to swallow, given your past run-ins with him online, but it is true.

I talk to Sanya daily. Sanya's been ribbing me since the day of my interview and I enjoy picking on her too. Scott I don't know so well. He and I (and a few others) are going to Meltdown next week so maybe I'll have a chance to drop your name and watch him go ghost-white.

Dunno who Copper and Olivia are. I'll have to ask around.


I'm sure he is different when it comes to his employees...that's the one thing that he has done right and the primary reason he's been successful. He surrounded himself with the right people. Hiring Tweety and Lum was a genious move IMHO...

I will give him credit where it's due...RvR combat was another great move...it gave players a team based PvP and cut out the end game. DAoC is probably the most addicting game out there and if their marketing department would have done a better job, I bet they'd be outselling EQ right now.

I think right now he's trying to spread himself a bit to thin with the new projects (but I won't say anything since I know you're actually working on the new project) and I think he needs to retool his support department...the CSR's for DAoC are the WORST customer support I've ever come across and they're freaking PAID employees. I got better service from volunteer staff than I've ever got in DAoC.

Other thing that bothers me is he's more interested in pumping out new content than he is in dealing with glaring issues that have been in the game for years (population balance). They tried to address it once, but it failed miserably and now it's like they just threw their hands up and said "screw it!"

Olivia is Georgia Wall (possibly the person that passed on the message to you) and Copper is one of the producers in charge of...I think content...not sure though. Can't remember his real name. I was actually going to meet up with Scott at E3, one of my Guild members does a lot of volunteer work for Mythic and was hanging out with him, but I couldn't get out there because our network took a nosedive and I ended up working for 29 hours straight that weekend.

I'm tired of this kind of work, I really want to break into the gaming industry. I don't understand what I'm doing wrong though, my resume IMHO is more than adequate and I honestly think I could bring a LOT to a gaming company in the support department...hell...I've managed a help desk that supported over 2,500 users spread out across 30 different countries. Maybe I'm aiming to high in applying for the management positions, but I just can't bring myself to start as someone doing in game support or answering phones.

Blizzard is probably sick of hearing from me...I really didn't want to leave California, but after the past two years, I don't really care where I live anymore.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 22, 2004, 11:17:55 AM
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Originally posted by AWBrat
[...]

I'm tired of this kind of work, I really want to break into the gaming industry.
[...]


You'll be sorrrrryyyy ...
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Post by: Smut on July 22, 2004, 12:37:52 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
You'll be sorrrrryyyy ...


Yeah, what DoK said, doubled.

-Smut
(ex-OSI/EA flunky)
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Post by: Brooke on July 22, 2004, 02:28:28 PM
I just recently am getting back into on-line flying, wandered around a bit in these message boards, and Horn pointed me here.

Holy crap!  Look at all the geezers around!  I can't believe it!

Is AH and its bulletin board the place that has built or is building the community like we used to have in the GEnie days?  Ye gods, that's great if so.

-- Brooke
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Post by: jaxxo on July 22, 2004, 02:35:38 PM
Anyone know where VMPR from aw is currently...i know he swore he would never play another sim after aw. Whats his new handle?
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 22, 2004, 02:36:09 PM
OK, should we start taking odds on when BB is going to show up in here?
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Post by: mietla on July 22, 2004, 02:46:11 PM
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Arlo and Dok, stop this child abuse or someone will end up in tears.
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Post by: Quarters on July 22, 2004, 04:13:21 PM
Brat,

You can say "Imperator", we announced it officially at E3. I'm not working solely on it now, either. I'm on a cross-product tech team.

I'll agree with DoK's assessment to a point. You'll definately be sorry if you work for, or with, a large publisher. EA and SOE compete for the most cluelessness on a daily basis. Yes, I'm biased because I've worked for EA and with Sony. I got screwed over by both of them so I think the bias is justified. Developers that can self-publish or just use a distributor to get on store shelves are a different story, though.

Have you tried NCSoft, btw? They have enough newly released and upcoming online games slated that they very well could use some help in their customer support department.
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Post by: Lizking on July 22, 2004, 04:19:03 PM
I heard Wild Bill was hiring.....
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 22, 2004, 04:22:47 PM
If you mean Greg, I think it was Vampi in the last days of AW.

I havn't seen him since the Ploesti scenario where he was a CO.
I think it might have burnt him out. By the end of that gig each CO had a lawyer instead of an XO hehe.

I was just thinking of him last night too as I was reminiscing in my head.

-W


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Originally posted by jaxxo
Anyone know where VMPR from aw is currently...i know he swore he would never play another sim after aw. Whats his new handle?
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Post by: killnu on July 22, 2004, 04:28:01 PM
jaxxo, last i heard VMPR was unable to play AH do to his connection/puter.  guess he lives in the boonies or something and cant get a good internet connect so he is unable to play.
~S~
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Post by: Guppy35 on July 22, 2004, 05:14:07 PM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=
If you mean Greg, I think it was Vampi in the last days of AW.

I havn't seen him since the Ploesti scenario where he was a CO.
I think it might have burnt him out. By the end of that gig each CO had a lawyer instead of an XO hehe.

I was just thinking of him last night too as I was reminiscing in my head.

-W


VMPR was definatly not Vampi :)

Vampi was flying with us Nomadic types during that time on the sly.  VMPR wasn't real fond of us at the same time for some reason

Dan/Slack
+Tiff back then
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Post by: Grits on July 22, 2004, 05:52:24 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
The hardest thing to get back is gunnery. The SA, flying skills, and Hate never really fade.


I agree with DoK 100% here. I quit AW in '96 and didnt play any games of any type until January of this year.  My SA and basic  combat skills came back very quickly, but gunnery took much longer and was the source of much frustration. There is not a more frustrating situation than outflying your opponent by a wide margin and not being able to shoot well enough to kill them.
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Post by: NUTTZ on July 22, 2004, 06:04:01 PM
Nicest guy I've ever met. Was an Honor to meet him. Man, BB has a gift of gab. The spoken word is his canvas, and CAN THAT MAN PAINT or what?

NUTTZ
P.S. I never did get to thank whomever is was held me back from getting in the Middle of BB and Snail. For I would of trully been Snailsheet.

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
OK, should we start taking odds on when BB is going to show up in here?
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 22, 2004, 06:49:40 PM
I thought Gray Eagle was the artiste of the crew?
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 22, 2004, 07:14:47 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I thought Gray Eagle was the artiste of the crew?


  And a truly great one.
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 22, 2004, 07:15:35 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo

I thought Gray Eagle was the artiste of the crew?


Correct DoK, Frank was the lead artist for most of the AW stuff, yes. Funny you mentioned him, we were just talking to his wife on the phone the other night.

I think Nuttz was just using a metaphor for BB being an artist with the spoken word.

I had to read it three times to catch on too - age kills.  :D

I betcha BB pops in if this keeps going much longer.

-W
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 22, 2004, 07:24:45 PM
Just didn't know BB got into painting.

I still have GE's "Blood Dragon" picture on the entry to my DoK archive site. I described a scene to him at one of the Con's and he rendered it all out - right down to the Kriegsmarine camo job.
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Post by: Nash on July 22, 2004, 07:29:37 PM
pssst....

I think he meant BB used words real gud.

"...BB has a gift of gab. The spoken word is his canvas, and CAN THAT MAN PAINT or what?"
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 22, 2004, 07:31:43 PM
Oh yeah - duh - I shouldn't try to read and code at the same time.
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Post by: Nash on July 22, 2004, 07:32:28 PM
sometimes reading this forum is LIKE reading code.
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 22, 2004, 08:06:59 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Just didn't know BB got into painting.

I still have GE's "Blood Dragon" picture on the entry to my DoK archive site. I described a scene to him at one of the Con's and he rendered it all out - right down to the Kriegsmarine camo job.


My attemt to clear it up the BB thing went down with your code, looks like Nash got through.  :D

Back to GE, when he was working in Mass (and I was in NH) for a while and playing Evercrack a lot,  Jami and I got real friendly with him and Cathy. We played with them almost every night as a group of four, (sometimes five with his brother Pat)  and we had them over to dinner a few times. We still try to keep in relatively close touch.

One of those times Frank brought over some ( a lot) of his work. Now he's good all around, but he has a particular "knack" for rendering vehicles of all types. Seems he was a gearhead in his younger days - might have something to do with it. He definately has a gift.  

I like Randy Green's work a lot too, you prolly saw it during your quick stop at the Dallas AW CON (the one SB ran)

-W

PS: to Westy in Worchester - we moved to S.C. - but that's another story.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 22, 2004, 08:13:54 PM
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
speaking of wich.......Its not that I dont want to read through 510 posts BUT.....is this a true story or pure fiction


You can't handle the truth. Or even recognize it.
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Post by: Lizking on July 22, 2004, 08:15:30 PM
I recognize the tiddies in Nash's avatar.  Oops, did I just out myself  as a Hunster?
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 22, 2004, 08:19:29 PM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=
Now he's good all around, but he has a particular "knack" for rendering vehicles of all types. Seems he was a gearhead in his younger days - might have something to do with it. He definately has a gift.  



Yeah. He used to drag race in SoCal as a kid. Then rode Harleys after his tour. I think he told me he serviced Thud's in SE Asia ... or something like that ... but the details kind of elude me now.

He learned most of his craft on his own - just a natural.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 22, 2004, 08:28:27 PM
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Originally posted by Lizking
I recognize the tiddies in Nash's avatar.  Oops, did I just out myself  as a Hunster?


Oh ... that isn't "Breast Bongo Fiesta" then?
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Post by: Aub on July 22, 2004, 10:47:16 PM
Someone should bring Pasha in ehre to show him that clown... he'll love it.
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Post by: Hajo on July 23, 2004, 12:06:25 AM
Westy.............ohhhhhhhhhh Westeeeeeeeeeee.

Hey.....about the 8th page of this post I ran out of Corana, Have any at your place???? With Lime?

Oh....I have the popcorn.....but getting dry here and looks like I'll be reading for awhile!

BTW....where ya been?  Hope all is well.
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Post by: airbumba on July 23, 2004, 12:09:28 AM
Hey Dok, Brat and all ye ole simmers, I made this for you guys a while ago..enjoy

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115297

..and thanks for advancing the aviation simm world to make up for my lack of 172 rental money.


RL is a fun fly, but no room for errors, here I can make all the mistakes I want.But never in the verbal flight envelope,I have too much respect for the world of flight to sully it  with my opinions on worldly matters.  Someone mentioned 'community', well I believe that aviation as a 'community' started long before man ever left the ground and will continue long after man has lawn darted.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 23, 2004, 12:31:55 AM
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Originally posted by airbumba
Hey Dok, Brat and all ye ole simmers, I made this for you guys a while ago..enjoy
 


Geeee ... I kind of expected Enzflight ... with their spokesman "Smilin' Voss".
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Post by: NUKE on July 23, 2004, 12:40:00 AM
DoK and other ghosts from the past; when are you gonna get your tulips into ah?
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 23, 2004, 12:49:29 AM
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Originally posted by NUKE
DoK and other ghosts from the past; when are you gonna get your tulips into ah?


I've been flying occasionally for a couple weeks now.
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Post by: Brooke on July 23, 2004, 02:47:46 AM
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Originally posted by NUKE
DoK and other ghosts from the past; when are you gonna get your tulips into ah?


It's very nifty to see so many AW old timers here.  I had no idea.

Athought I didn't find this forum until yesterday, I started flying a reasonable amount a few weeks back and have signed up for Jordi's BoB scenario.  I agree with other folks -- getting gunnery skills back takes a while.

I'm seeing if my old contact info for BB is good.  If so, I'm going to try to get his carcass over here, too.
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Post by: Ack-Ack on July 23, 2004, 04:15:46 AM
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Originally posted by SLO
yup thats what they said too....

your confidence is high VMPR....




VMPR?  How did he get involved in this?

Once you come to terms that you suck, you will feel at peace with yourself.  Until then you'll keep making an bellybutton out of yourself.

Oh, and if Voss was to make a sharp right turn, your neck would snap :)


ack-ack
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 23, 2004, 05:22:16 AM
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
VMPR?  How did he get involved in this?

Once you come to terms that you suck, you will feel at peace with yourself.  Until then you'll keep making an bellybutton out of yourself.

Oh, and if Voss was to make a sharp right turn, your neck would snap :)      



Hey Ack,

Slo tucked tail and ran 2 pages ago. I'd like to think it was the reasoned reply that I did, but I know better. The clown with the purple dildo is more likely what scared him off.  :D

I'm only here now because the carpet guy is coming ("1st thing in the AM") to pull the wool in the new marine shop. I had a hangover, but fortunately I left the last drink laying about.

-W
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Post by: Naso on July 23, 2004, 05:51:13 AM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
For the history-minded, I posted many of my recollections of the early daze of AW on my site.

T-Rex a'la Mode (http://www.gonzoville.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=12)



You invented scenarios ???? :eek:



My Messiah !!!!!
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Post by: Nilsen on July 23, 2004, 06:06:28 AM
Nah, i use dvd- because its more compatible then the dvd+ standard.
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Post by: Quarters on July 23, 2004, 07:33:34 AM
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Originally posted by Brooke
I'm seeing if my old contact info for BB is good.  If so, I'm going to try to get his carcass over here, too.


He's up in Toronto now. If you can't get a hold of him I can shake the tree a bit.
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Post by: Quarters on July 23, 2004, 07:34:41 AM
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Originally posted by NUKE
DoK and other ghosts from the past; when are you gonna get your tulips into ah?


Great, a whole new group of people that know I'm an easy target and want to get a piece of me.

I downloaded it while I was playing City of Heroes last night.
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Post by: Pongo on July 23, 2004, 10:49:45 AM
tink tinker tink tink.
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Post by: AWBrat on July 23, 2004, 11:22:38 AM
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Originally posted by NUKE
DoK and other ghosts from the past; when are you gonna get your tulips into ah?


Well...I was never a great pilot...I can be the first to admit that. I just had the ability to wing myself with great pilots. I mean...I wasn't a total squealing noob...I could hold my own, but I could never get to that "next level" like so many of the guys that are here now. In the very early days of RR I was a God...but the transition to FR for me wasn't very smooth and I could never really grasp it like I wanted to...

The only times I really flew well is when +Dead (Todd) would let me wing with him and I'd work off of his abilties (man we had some great times in shades accounts)...other than that, I just flew with the Nomads and would help come up with the nuttiest schemes that we could muster (night of 1000 Tiffs!, the drone wars, high altitude base captures...etc)

People like Badz used to torture the **** out of me...I tried for like a year straight to kill that bastard one on one and think I may have won maybe twice...out of a thousand times. I was one of those guys that would search out the hardest target to kill and do my damndest to beat them (chasing HR around for HOURS)...I rarely ever succeeded, but when I did it made it all worth it.

My home was always on the boards and in the chat buffers...I was the Nomad pitbull...you pissed anyone off...and they'd unleash me in chat for few minutes until Tiff would say "ok Brat...that's enough" and then it was back to my cage...

To this day I seriously think that all the old school players (older than me) banded together to teach me a lesson...they'll never admit that it was designed with the intention of driving me squealing crazy...but anyone remember "TopGunz?" Holy crap those guys had me frothing at the mouth for months...luckily though...someone else ended up with the award for sucker of the year and I escaped unscathed.

That was the thing about Airwarrior...it wasn't the game itself that made it so great...it was the community that was forged from it...I mean seriously...I consider some of these guys my friends after 10 years, and I've only met ONE Airwarrior in ALL that time...

I seriously wasn't kidding earlier when I said that I packed up my joystick into my exgirlfriends things with a note attached that read "You'll get more use out of this than I will now"

I haven't touched a flightsim in probably 4 years now? Any ACM I had is pretty much gone...I priced a few sticks the past few days and am thinking about it...but the demise of AW seriously broke my heart...I loved that game with a passion...and I don't know if I can bring myself to start all over again.

It's like skiing/snowboarding...I learned how to ski when I was 5 years old...and I got good enough at it where people would point at me and say "wow, that guys is really good at skiing"...

All my friends snowboard now and want me to try it as well...but I really don't want people pointing at me and saying "wow...that guy sucks!"
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 23, 2004, 12:10:16 PM
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Originally posted by AWBrat
...but anyone remember "TopGunz?"  


I have a vague recollection of TopGoatz ... I think from one of the newsgroups ... but it's all a blur now. I doubt I saved any of my postings from back then - I never do.
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Post by: hitech on July 23, 2004, 12:11:51 PM
Was a member of that TopGunz squad.


Looks at AWBrat.

Man That guy sucks.


See now it has already happend nothing to fear any longer.


HiTech
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Post by: Arlo on July 23, 2004, 12:18:38 PM
Wuz ya Maverik or Guse? :D
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Post by: Nilsen on July 23, 2004, 12:25:46 PM
It would take me less than 2 mins to shoot you down in DA HiTech. Just because you work at HTC you would not stand a chanse :cool:










omg...what did i just say!!??
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Post by: DrDea on July 23, 2004, 12:26:32 PM
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Originally posted by AWBrat


That was the thing about Airwarrior...it wasn't the game itself that made it so great...it was the community that was forged from it...I mean seriously...I consider some of these guys my friends after 10 years, and I've only met ONE Airwarrior in ALL that time...

 


  Bingo  and for putting it so well.
Doc
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Post by: midnight Target on July 23, 2004, 12:39:48 PM
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Originally posted by Nilsen
It would take me less than 2 mins to shoot you down in DA HiTech. Just because you work at HTC you would not stand a chanse :cool:










omg...what did i just say!!??


Quick... claim to be an ignorant foreigner!!




(Not a whole lot of EA bashing going on in here considering all the old AW's. I know I will hold a grudge for a long while.)
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Post by: Arlo on July 23, 2004, 12:43:20 PM
Geez .... where's my old "EA.SUCKS" gif?
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Post by: Habu on July 23, 2004, 12:49:39 PM
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Originally posted by Arlo
Geez .... where's my old "EA.SUCKS" gif?


I am sure you have it around. You would not let anything valuable like that get deleted. :rolleyes:
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Post by: Arlo on July 23, 2004, 12:52:45 PM
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/EAsucks.jpg)
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Post by: Guppy35 on July 23, 2004, 12:53:26 PM
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Originally posted by AWBrat
Well...I was never a great pilot...I can be the first to admit that. I just had the ability to wing myself with great pilots. I mean...I wasn't a total squealing noob...I could hold my own, but I could never get to that "next level" like so many of the guys that are here now. In the very early days of RR I was a God...but the transition to FR for me wasn't very smooth and I could never really grasp it like I wanted to...

The only times I really flew well is when +Dead (Todd) would let me wing with him and I'd work off of his abilties (man we had some great times in shades accounts)...other than that, I just flew with the Nomads and would help come up with the nuttiest schemes that we could muster (night of 1000 Tiffs!, the drone wars, high altitude base captures...etc)

People like Badz used to torture the **** out of me...I tried for like a year straight to kill that bastard one on one and think I may have won maybe twice...out of a thousand times. I was one of those guys that would search out the hardest target to kill and do my damndest to beat them (chasing HR around for HOURS)...I rarely ever succeeded, but when I did it made it all worth it.

My home was always on the boards and in the chat buffers...I was the Nomad pitbull...you pissed anyone off...and they'd unleash me in chat for few minutes until Tiff would say "ok Brat...that's enough" and then it was back to my cage...

To this day I seriously think that all the old school players (older than me) banded together to teach me a lesson...they'll never admit that it was designed with the intention of driving me squealing crazy...but anyone remember "TopGunz?" Holy crap those guys had me frothing at the mouth for months...luckily though...someone else ended up with the award for sucker of the year and I escaped unscathed.

That was the thing about Airwarrior...it wasn't the game itself that made it so great...it was the community that was forged from it...I mean seriously...I consider some of these guys my friends after 10 years, and I've only met ONE Airwarrior in ALL that time...

I seriously wasn't kidding earlier when I said that I packed up my joystick into my exgirlfriends things with a note attached that read "You'll get more use out of this than I will now"

I haven't touched a flightsim in probably 4 years now? Any ACM I had is pretty much gone...I priced a few sticks the past few days and am thinking about it...but the demise of AW seriously broke my heart...I loved that game with a passion...and I don't know if I can bring myself to start all over again.




Hit it right on the head.  It was always about the people and the fun.  The only time the  game got to be a pain for me was when I took it too seriously and worried about whether I could be one of the 'best'.  

But it was always about the people.  Having gotten to know Brat via AW I got to learn about his Grandfather who was a B24 Squadron Commander in the Pacific with the 63rd BS, 43rd BG 5th AF.  And I was honored to be able to visit his Grave at Arlington National Cemetary with my daughter a few years back.  Those things meant far more then anything in the game.

But don't let Brat kid ya, he was a damn good 'pilot'.

Dan/Slack
+Tiff
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Post by: Arlo on July 23, 2004, 12:53:38 PM
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Originally posted by Habu
I am sure you have it around. You would not let anything valuable like that get deleted. :rolleyes:


Still got your panties in a knot over me picking on your FANG friends 4 years ago? :D
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Post by: Murdr on July 23, 2004, 01:01:10 PM
Lol AKAK, he called you VMPR :rofl
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Post by: Grizzly on July 23, 2004, 01:08:07 PM
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Originally posted by AWBrat
I haven't touched a flightsim in probably 4 years now? Any ACM I had is pretty much gone...I priced a few sticks the past few days and am thinking about it...but the demise of AW seriously broke my heart...I loved that game with a passion...and I don't know if I can bring myself to start all over again.


Terrific post Brat! You nailed it, AW was about the people, something that was so little understood by the masses. The "old farts" created a world for us, and seeing them coming back together now is incredible. It was also about our relationship with the creators of AW. And even though he refuses to fix that damned clipboard thingie, HiTech is one with whom we can relate (screw EA).

See you in the arena buddy  =o)
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Post by: Grizzly on July 23, 2004, 01:12:32 PM
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Originally posted by hitech
Was a member of that TopGunz squad.


Looks at AWBrat.

Man That guy sucks.


See now it has already happend nothing to fear any longer.


HiTech


Might you also happen to be that dillweed camper TopGunz in AH?
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Post by: Grizzly on July 23, 2004, 01:14:38 PM
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Originally posted by Habu
I am sure you have it around. You would not let anything valuable like that get deleted. :rolleyes:


Hiyas Habu  =o)
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Post by: AWBrat on July 23, 2004, 01:21:21 PM
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Having gotten to know Brat via AW I got to learn about his Grandfather who was a B24 Squadron Commander in the Pacific with the 63rd BS, 43rd BG 5th AF.  And I was honored to be able to visit his Grave at Arlington National Cemetary with my daughter a few years back.  Those things meant far more then anything in the game.

But don't let Brat kid ya, he was a damn good 'pilot'.

Dan/Slack
+Tiff


I can't even begin to thank you enough times for this Dan...and the living members of his squadron thank you as well...

(http://www.kensmen.com/AWB1.jpg)

If it hadn't been for you pushing me to find out more...I would have never known who my grandfather was and what his accomplishments were...

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From an article written by Lee G. Miller, Scripps-Howard Staff writer


43RD HEAVY BOMBARDMENT GROUP, Clark Field, Luzon, P.I. (by air mail)

The B-24 that made this particular reconnaissance mission to Hainan doesn't even have a nickname. It's a new ship and nobody has got around to naming it.

Maj. ALBERT W. BROWNFIELD, the commanding officer or
"Wheel " of the Seahawks Squadron, 43rd Heavy Bombardment Group, Fifth Air Force, sat a little sleepily on the edge of his cot and told about it.

We were five hours out, and near Hainan. It was about 4 P.M. when we broke out of a cloud right on the tail of three Nells. ( A Nell is a two engine Jap fighter-bomber)

They opened up with their top guns, I don't know whether they hit our ship or not----it was dark when we got in.

When our 50's opened up the Nips scattered and ran, two of them were smoking.

Three or four minutes later several single engine fighters got on our tail. We ducked in and out of the clouds for about fifteen minutes and finally gave them the slip.

Welch was piloting at this time.

A couple of hours later we were going up the west shore of Hainan Island when we sighted a tanker---one of the biggest I have ever seen---she must have been 7,000 tons---and some smaller ones. We circled---I was piloting now---and definitely identified them as enemy ships.

So we made a skip bombing run. We went in at 50 to 100 feet and dropped two 500 pounders with delayed action fuses. At the same time our .50's strafed the deck---the Japs were throwing some small arms fire at us---and probably some 40mm stuff

One of our bombs hit amidships and one on the bow. The tanker caught fire---bad!

We took some pictures. She started listing, and in eight minutes she sank. We saw no survivors. There was hardly time for them to get their lifeboats off.

Then we went after the smaller ones.Welch was at the controls this time.

We made a run on a lugger; she was loaded with what looked like bales of cotton and she was camouflaged with grass and leaves. We skip bombed from 50 feet and hit her square in the middle---she disintegrated.

The third ship was a Sugar Charlie, that's a cargo ship of about 2,000 tons We had a heck of a time hitting her. On the first run our bomb skipped from the water clear over the top of the ship and went off in the water. But our tracers set her afire. Waller---that's Lt. John Waller of Boulder, Colorado, who was flying as nose gunner, really laid those tracers on.

We came around and strafed again, then made another skip bombing run and our 500 pounder knocked her whole bow off. Just to make sure, we made one more one and hit her smack in the middle. She blew up.

That may sound glamorous. but this kind of a boat isn't well defended---just small arms.

Another officer spoke up," What had me worried was that fighter runway on Hainan. It was right there, within sight, but they didn't send anything after us.

We had two bombs left, so we continued our search, but saw no more ships. So about 8 P.M. we dropped the remaining bombs from 1500 feet onto a seaplane base on Hainan We saw several large explosions. They threw a little flak at us , but it did no harm. So we came on home.

The nineteen B-24's of the Seahawk Squadron have already knocked off 21,000 tons of shipping this month, and the Squadron expects to beat the record it set in March---20 vessels aggregating 53,425 tons sunk (including a destroyer and a destroyer escort) and 4 vessels totaling 14,250 tons damaged.

The thing that worries the Seahawks is that the Japs may run out of ships for them to bomb.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 23, 2004, 01:21:44 PM
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Originally posted by Grizzly
Terrific post Brat! You nailed it, AW was about the people, something that was so little understood by the masses. The "old farts" created a world for us, and seeing them coming back together now is incredible. It was also about our relationship with the creators of AW. And even though he refuses to fix that damned clipboard thingie, HiTech is one with whom we can relate (screw EA).
 


Yup ... it's amazing how cohessive this community is.

Again, for the historically curious, here's what I wrote up when AW died: The End of the Beginning (http://www.gonzoville.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1)
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Post by: -MZ- on July 23, 2004, 01:29:32 PM
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Originally posted by AWBrat
That was the thing about Airwarrior...it wasn't the game itself that made it so great...it was the community that was forged from it...I mean seriously...I consider some of these guys my friends after 10 years, and I've only met ONE Airwarrior in ALL that time...



Cool post, but you did meet LMatt and I for E3, so that's at least two.
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Post by: Hajo on July 23, 2004, 01:31:22 PM
Vampi...where's Vampi???
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Post by: AWBrat on July 23, 2004, 01:35:14 PM
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Originally posted by -MZ-
Cool post, but you did meet LMatt and I for E3, so that's at least two.


Bah...Sorry MZ...I totally spaced that. Wasn't GP with us as well? If so, that's 4 that I've met, including Quarters. Can't remember if I'd met anyone else from the staff of AW when I met Quarters...and Jeff...if you post that picture...I'm flying to Mythic HQ and beating you over the head with a nerf bat...
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Post by: Brooke on July 23, 2004, 02:25:52 PM
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Originally posted by Quarters
He's up in Toronto now. If you can't get a hold of him I can shake the tree a bit.


Quarters, hello!  I used blue.baron@verizon.net.  If BB is no longer in Washington (where he was as of a couple years back), that probably isn't his e-mail anymore, so if you've got newer contact info, I'd like to give it a try.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 23, 2004, 02:31:35 PM
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Originally posted by Brooke
Quarters, hello!  I used blue.baron@verizon.net.  If BB is no longer in Washington (where he was as of a couple years back), that probably isn't his e-mail anymore, so if you've got newer contact info, I'd like to give it a try.


Last email address I have for him was aruond the beginning of '03 after he left MS: Luscombe1516b@hotmail.com
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Post by: ghostdancer on July 23, 2004, 03:20:20 PM
So did I miss it .. did Metavoss (Metatron) leave the Hornets? Did they remove him? Or did HiTech, having found him again, booted him like last time?

Notice that he is no longer on the roster for the Hornets (used to be on Busher's wing).

And any bets what his new handle will be when he finds a way to sneak back?
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Post by: Meatwad on July 23, 2004, 03:54:42 PM
Seems like I seen him in the MA not too long ago under VOSS. Dont know now if he is still floating around
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Post by: ghostdancer on July 23, 2004, 04:11:43 PM
There was a different person using that handle ... I think the newbie took it because of historical reference and didn't know we had our own "VOSS" here with completely different history.
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Post by: Quarters on July 23, 2004, 04:16:00 PM
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Originally posted by AWBrat
anyone remember "TopGunz?" Holy crap those guys had me frothing at the mouth for months


I was Iceman and I have the shirt to prove it.

TopGunz was cool. I rank it up there with the "OMG! The Mossies Have Guns!" and the 1991(?) Houston Con where DD and I figured out that the "WWII can not shoot down WWI planes and visa versa" code only worked for pilots. Had such fun taking down P38s with the gunner spot on a frickin' Brisfit.


My single best moment was the "unveiling" of the first AW:Vietnam "pictures" on Bigweek. I think Pasha still hates me over that one.

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 I've only met ONE Airwarrior in ALL that time...


Good Lord! I can't be the only one you ever met, Brat. Didn't you meet Kitty once?
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Post by: Quarters on July 23, 2004, 04:19:12 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Last email address I have for him was aruond the beginning of '03 after he left MS: Luscombe1516b@hotmail.com


That's the one that should work, unless he's changed it again.
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Post by: Quarters on July 23, 2004, 04:21:26 PM
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Originally posted by AWBrat
Jeff...if you post that picture...I'm flying to Mythic HQ and beating you over the head with a nerf bat...


If I have that polaroid still it's in a box in storage at the moment. My stuff doesn't get moved up here until the first week in August. I'll have to make a mental note to look for it. Thanks for reminding me!
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 23, 2004, 05:22:19 PM
Busy day here - two posts in one and I gotta fly - errr run.

For Naso:

Yes sir, many, many, years ago DoK created the format of scenario play. He was also therefore first CM to exist in the world of online flight sims.  He also invented the **persona of the CM** This is hard to describe but the bottom line was a lot of work goes into those things. People need to show up when they are supposed to, go where they need to go, and fly the mission they are ordered to fly, in order for the "game" the designer had in mind to be properly afoot.

Dok used the iron fisted CM peronae to keep his ducks all in a row (and off flying when they were supposed to). There is a trickle down effect even today (at least there was to the end of AW) that locking horns with a CM during or about an event is taking your life into your own hand (hehe).

I started in AW just as DoK was leaving - but his influence loomed (like a dark shadow) over all the scenario play - at least till the end of the SMG (scenario masters guild)

When I co-designed Ploesti! - I considered DoK's archives required schooling.   :)

(Also DoK and the crowd he hung out with in old AW, developed a certain style of newsgroup flaming that lives on.  Anyone can spew vitreole at an idiot - but to be really, *really* good - your fiery rant has to be both articulate AND funny - to everyone else BUT the hapless victim. In that regard I think DoK might be the all time master, though I'm sure he'll correct me if he actually learned that art from another of the old masters.)


For DoK:

The TopGunnz squad was "the ultimate" troll set up for AW. I think the idea was hatched at SB's Dallas CON and then the gig was set up behind the scenes. The truth was finally revealed to all at the following CON in Indy. No one leaked the secret for the whole year.

The bottom line: A fairly large group of killer aces (the list included BB, GE, SB, RM, HT, DD and more - SB prolly has the list handy)
donned shades and pretended to be a new group of kids that were "gud at flight sims" who came over to AW as a group. These mokes trolled the boards with the usual noob drivel and patter - deliberately chest thumping and pushing all the hot-buttons of the community to piss everyone off. They were setting themselves up to be "dweeb-hunted".

Only problem was, when ever anyone (or any squad) went up to teach these idiot noobs a few lessons - they had thier bellybutton handed to them on a platter. It was really funny stuff. Prolly the last of the "really great trolls" in AW.   Grey Eagle did up the squad logo - it was awesome of course. (can someone please link it so DoK can see it?)

OK - back to work - I have a door to install.  :(

-W
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Post by: NUTTZ on July 23, 2004, 06:27:30 PM
FYYFF is his sig

NUTTZ
P.S. I still have GE's Business card. Nice guy, I met him at one of the cons.
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Originally posted by airbumba
Brat, does your sig mean, F$#% Yourself you F@#*&& ^ F&^%* ?
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Post by: NUTTZ on July 23, 2004, 06:35:09 PM
You didn't HAVE to fly well, your mouth made them Auger trying to type responces:)

NUTTZ

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Originally posted by AWBrat
Well...I was never a great pilot...I can be the first to admit that. ..(snipped)
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Post by: Hornet on July 23, 2004, 09:19:56 PM
one of the greatest trolls...

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/78_1090635372_topgunz1.jpg)

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/78_1090635336_topgoonz.jpg)
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Post by: Hornet on July 23, 2004, 09:26:45 PM
luckily someone tipped me so I could just sit back and enjoy the BW angst...would anyone wanna dweeb hunt this crew?

Subject:
             TOPGUNZ Rooool the Con
        Date:
             Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:44:23 -0400
       From:
             Darren Beyer
 Organization:
             Kesmai Corporation
 Newsgroups:
             bigweek.general




The TopGunz were the most highly represented "squad" at the
con with 14 members attending (barely beating out the Air
Mafia who had 13). The attendees were:

TopGun - SharkBait
Maverick - Moggy
Viper - Lone Wolf
Goose - Rocketman
Hollywood - Blue Baron
Stringer - Mute
Sundown - GE
Charley - Argos
Iceman - Quarters
Slider - Kato
Wolfman - Dead Duck
Joker - NoBaddy
Deadeye - Airmigan
and whatever the hell Tex's handle is since I forget and he
signed on the back of the ****ing box

We also had two "guest" TGs show in Bob Shaw and HiTech.
Shaw was in on the conception of the idea and HiTech flew
with us on occasion.

Not showing:

Ghostrider - Subby
Cougar - Merch
Spec - Merlin
Fungus - Slug
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 23, 2004, 10:23:15 PM
Huh ... I think I stopped by that Con' and no one invited me on the fun?
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 23, 2004, 11:04:41 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Huh ... I think I stopped by that Con' and no one invited me on the fun?



You did stop by that Con.  I just missed you - I was the guy wearing the sheepsuit.  

I think it was "taken for granted" that you weren't flying at the time or anywhere near intersted in flying or "too busy" etc.  Ask SB to be sure. There's no way *that* crew would have even considered dissing ewe with a non-invite without just cause to feel sure you wouldn't be able to participate.

-W
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Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on July 23, 2004, 11:08:02 PM
Geez, there's enough old Air Warriors in here ain't there?
There's true irony for you, Voss indirectly inspires a virtual Air Warrior reunion of sorts.
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 23, 2004, 11:18:34 PM
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Geez, there's enough old Air Warriors in here ain't there?

There's true irony for you, Voss indirectly inspires a virtual Air Warrior reunion of sorts.



No............. the H8 is what binds us all. Feel the power of the Dark Side.

-W
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 24, 2004, 12:17:15 AM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=
No............. the H8 is what bind us all. Feel the power of the Dark Side.
 


"Love is a word that is constantly heard,
Hate is a word that is not.
Love, I am told, is more precious than gold.
Love, I have read, is hot.
But hate is the verb that to me is superb,
And Love but a drug on the mart.
Any kiddie in school can love like a fool,
But Hating, my boy, is an Art."
-- Ogden Nash
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Post by: DrDea on July 24, 2004, 12:18:12 AM
I remember a sheep at the 2000 AW con.Was that Ewe?
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Post by: Guppy35 on July 24, 2004, 02:06:40 AM
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Originally posted by Hornet
luckily someone tipped me so I could just sit back and enjoy the BW angst...would anyone wanna dweeb hunt this crew?

 



Oh the conversations that went on during that 'event'.  Lots of us were 99% sure that it was what it was, and we weren't gonna bite on it, but there were those who just about blew a gasket on channel 1 during that time.

LOL good fun all round

Dan/Slack
+Tiff
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 24, 2004, 04:25:46 AM
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  In the counting down to the last day of closing of AW it was totaly surreal. To me it just seemed that it could not possibly be  happening.
  We saw players show up in the last week that hadn`t played in a long, long time. We took it personaly and as an assault on an entire living breathing community. It was not just a game. It was much, much more than that.
  Long time ingame  foes began to communicate in quite a bit different manner than had been the norm . Folks knew we were losing our link that brought us together for so long and everyone was POed to the max about it.
  Old time stories were told and memories and feelings were exchanged openly.  
  I don`t know about everyone else but AW and the community that made it tick took me through some pretty tough times. It was a release, a place to go where you always had friends that were there for you. Some of these guys that you had never met you knew, in some cases, on a more personal level than people you dealt with on a day to day basis in RL.  You knew when there was sickness in the family. You knew when a family memeber was lost. A lot of times you knew when there were probs with a marriage. You cared about these folks and you did what you could in support of them when times were rough for them. You also received it in return.
  The night of the final tribute massive flyby was awesome and quite a sad time. You knew you were about to lose touch with a lot of the players and that an era was about to come to a drastic end.
  It`s taken a long time for a lot of these people to regroup here, but it`s a great thing. A lot have been lost never to return.
  Call it silly, irrational or whatever, but since that time I have never particapated or allowed EA games of any kind in my home.
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Post by: Brooke on July 24, 2004, 02:27:50 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Last email address I have for him was aruond the beginning of '03 after he left MS: Luscombe1516b@hotmail.com


Thanks, Dok.  I'll give it a try.

Now . . . anyone have contact info for Airmigan?  They do have P-38's in AH, after all.
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Post by: Brooke on July 24, 2004, 02:52:23 PM
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Originally posted by AWBrat

I haven't touched a flightsim in probably 4 years now? Any ACM I had is pretty much gone...I priced a few sticks the past few days and am thinking about it...but the demise of AW seriously broke my heart...I loved that game with a passion...and I don't know if I can bring myself to start all over again.

It's like skiing/snowboarding...I learned how to ski when I was 5 years old...and I got good enough at it where people would point at me and say "wow, that guys is really good at skiing"...

All my friends snowboard now and want me to try it as well...but I really don't want people pointing at me and saying "wow...that guy sucks!"


Brat, until recently, I hadn't flown on-line in many, many years.  There were a couple things that caused it for me.  There was the dissolution of the AW community once it lost GEnie as the main place to be.  Usenet newsgroups and AOL forums didn't cut it for some reason.  There was the sad loss of AW itself.  There was the loss for a while of grand scenarios or at least the loss of my knowledge of where to go to participate in them.  And there was a bit of what you talk about -- that in AW at my peak I was skilled, and starting again would mean for a while I wouldn't be.

But AH is an excellent sim.  It is in my opinion a better sim than AW, having more realism, which I was always requesting more of in the GEnie days.  Scenarios, even of the grand Dok-inspired style, are played here in AH.  There are lots of ex-AW oldies here, and this BB system might actually succeed in helping to create the sort of on-line flying community that AW used to have.   That for me would be a dream come true.

As for the skill factor, yes, it does take a while to get back into it.  My flying skills came back quickly.  My gunnery skills took a lot longer, probably because the gunnery in AH is much more realistic.  So, yes, my kills/deaths really sucked at the start and still isn't what it was in AW.  But the relearning *is* fun.  Part of what I got tired of in AW in its main arena and what caused me to fly a lot less there even before I drifted away almost entirely was that my skill had plateaued, and there wasn't that much I didn't already know or hadn't already done.  When you jump back into things, especially here where there are differences compared to AW, there are things to learn and rapid skill advances to be made.  That actually is enjoyable.

So, I think you should go for it.  Will this place have the community that AW had at its peak?  I'm new here, so I don't know for sure -- but damn, look at this thread and who has shown up!  I think it will happen!  As for gameplay, quality of simulation, scenarios, and everything else, it seems to be here, too.

-- Brooke
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Post by: Grits on July 24, 2004, 03:15:42 PM
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Originally posted by Brooke
So, I think you should go for it.  Will this place have the community that AW had at its peak?  I'm new here, so I don't know for sure -- but damn, look at this thread and who has shown up!  I think it will happen!  As for gameplay, quality of simulation, scenarios, and everything else, it seems to be here, too.

-- Brooke


I think it can happen, even though I was only in the GEnie era for the last 1.5-2 years, I do miss it. AW had a sublevel of seriousness (probably not the right word) because of the cost, you just dont have very much 12 year old XBox style game play when it costs you $7 an hour to play. When I first started AW, I had to dial long distance to get to GEnie, so the $7 hr LD on top of the $6 hr for GEnie made it a strictly rationed pleasure.

I have extreme difficulty working up much sympathy for biotches whining about "I pay my $14.95 a month and I demand HT and Pyro wipe my prettythang for me!!". This is a game, even with areas that can be improved upon,  that is better than our beloved AW in every way (except community) and I can play an entire month unlimited for what I used to pay for ONE HOUR[/b] of AW. How much better can you get? I dont thing folks that were not around back then realize what value they get from AH.
Title: Scenarios and a tribute
Post by: Brooke on July 24, 2004, 03:33:41 PM
Dok, this thread and the people in it have for me started bringing back memories long dormant.  I see people here I haven't interacted with in 10 years or more.

As a veteran of Indian Ocean (my first scenario), Battle of Germany, Imphal Plain (my first CO role), Sicily '43 (my first high-complexity CO role), Munda Weekend (my first CO role on winning side :), Kursk III, and other non-Dok (but Dok-inspired) scenarios such as Battle of the 5th Air Force, Target Germany, Carthwheel, Fortress Rabaul, Kursk 4, Guadalcanal, Africa '42, Carthwheel 2 --

I would like to thank you for your role in shaping what scenarios are.  For a while, scenarios were one of my greatest pleasures.  The main arena was only a place to practice for scenarios.  Scenarios were to regular AW what AW was to a stand-alone game, a whole new and wonderful dimension.  In your absense from AW, I and others started the Scenario Masters' Guild, an organization that attempted to carry on the tradition and regularly run Dok-quality scenarios.  It worked for a little while, but then it drifted apart and came to an end.

That was years ago, and for a long time it looked to me, perhaps just because of my own failure to check in the right places, that there was no place of community and big scenarios.  Now I see that AH seems to be the place where the flame is continued.  Starting beginning of August, I'll be playing in my first scenario in many years -- and it does look to be in the grand style of old.

So, with my getting back into scenarios and hoping that they once again will be a great pleasure in my life, one so long gone, and with my seeing you here after so long, I wanted to take the opportunity to thank you for your role in the creation of a great thing in the world:  the concept of the scenario.

-- Brooke
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Post by: Brooke on July 24, 2004, 03:49:25 PM
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Originally posted by Grits
This is a game, even with areas that can be improved upon,  that is better than our beloved AW in every way (except community) and I can play an entire month unlimited for what I used to pay for ONE HOUR of AW. How much better can you get? I dont thing folks that were not around back then realize what value they get from AH. [/B]


Heh!  Hello, Grits!  Yep, I agree with you 100%.  When I first started playing AW in 1988, it cost per hour about (or more than) what we pay here per month for unlimited play.  I had a pal who got hooked (I told him so) and spent $1200 one month playing AW.  (Inflation adjusted to today's dollars, that is, um . . . $957,362.32, I believe.)  As much as I love and admire AW -- Kelton's AW was THE pioneer in this area -- AH has surpassed it, as you say.

I would not like to see AH get too cheap.  There's the Laffer curve.  I want Hitech Creations to make money -- as much money as possible -- because it is a great game.  I want it to continue and to be vibrant forever, damn it! :)
Title: Re: Scenarios and a tribute
Post by: DoKGonZo on July 24, 2004, 04:03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Brooke
Dok, this thread and the people in it have for me started bringing back memories long dormant.  I see people here I haven't interacted with in 10 years or more.

...

So, with my getting back into scenarios and hoping that they once again will be a great pleasure in my life, one so long gone, and with my seeing you here after so long, I wanted to take the opportunity to thank you for your role in the creation of a great thing in the world:  the concept of the scenario.

-- Brooke


Much appreciated. Really. All that stuff seems like it happened a lifetime ago and I guess in a way that's true.

The uber-scenarios came up on one of the mailing lists I belong to as well - lots of us old fartz there too. The tools and resources - and player capacity - in AH has already got me thinking of what is possible. I mean, we could get some serious multi-dimensional air  campaigns going here with complex decisions needed at all command levels.  But you'd need at least 9 or 10 missions to play it out - you don't want something that massive and time-consuming tipped based on one strong mission by a side. And you want a longer time component to play on attrition of replacement planes and so on.

But in looking at the Scenarios forum topics it looks like any new event from outside the CM team has like a 6- to 9-month wait to get scheduled. And that's well beyond my horizon for planning my time at the moment. And I also don't know if the current player base is such that they could dedicate 3  nights a week for a month solid to one of my patented torture-fests.

So I don't know ... it's kind of up to the people who are running things.
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Post by: Grits on July 24, 2004, 04:14:02 PM
I think my worst month of AW addiction cost me around $600, but I had more than a few $400+ months before Delphi/CRIS came along and I could play at $2 an hour with a local number. $600, that is equal to 40 months worth of AH. :)

I too want HTC to make money so they can do all the things they want for us, but I agree it is possible for AH to get too cheap.
Title: Re: Re: Scenarios and a tribute
Post by: AW=B17= on July 24, 2004, 06:52:24 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
But in looking at the Scenarios forum topics it looks like any new event from outside the CM team has like a 6- to 9-month wait to get scheduled. And that's well beyond my horizon for planning my time at the moment. And I also don't know if the current player base is such that they could dedicate 3  nights a week for a month solid to one of my patented torture-fests.

So I don't know ... it's kind of up to the people who are running things.


Rocket Man designed a Longbow scenario that (someone correctme if I'm wrong) ran 16 frames.  I think it was run in a Phase one and a Phase two format. It got knicknamed "too Longbow" and had a little bit of attrition from burnout problems as it neared the end.  I don't know how the current player base *here* would respond to a "mega-scenario" but RM did OK with his monster over in AW.

I don't think the long wait to get scheduled in AH discriminates against "insiders and outsiders" per se.  I think that there are (at any given time) X number of events already in the pipeline in planning stages of one form or another.  I know even going back to late AW six months was not uncommon to get an idea from concept to Frame one taking off.

Back when you were doing events, you (as the trailblazer) always had a wide open road ahead and you could get an event going as fast as you could humanly get it ready.  Since then, evolution spawned the "Scenario Masters Guild" that took over where you left off in AW, then came another group called "The Futile Dweebs" that chimed in with several good events. And in AW there was even a third group called "Catch 22 Productions"

When AW collapsed some of the memebrs of *those* groups melded into the existing Events Team over here. It seems there has been no shortage of event ideas, concepts, etc etc.

The one guy I would suggest chatting with would be Mike "Jordi" Bowman who is on the CM team here and was a leader of the "Futile Dweebs" productions in AW.  He's a truely awesome and helpfull feller and he's very plugged into the goings on here.

 I think what you'll learn is that there is an "upside" to the wait in so far as that the existing team can greatly assist you with setups and signups and general infrastructure BS. This so that you don't  have to put up with a learning curve as to "how to push the right buttons" to make the back end do what you need it to do, unless you wanted to learn that stuff.

Lastly,  I know you'd have *no* shortage of people to fill out your command staffs all the way from the CO's through the XO's and the GL and FL slots. You'd have (for the lack of a better word) "star=power" in your favor and a lot of people would crawl out of the woodwork to get a good slot in a real live DoK Gonzo event - just to reach out and touch the history base.

I've done all the slots at least once - but my best position is as a lowly buff Group Leader.  

Consider yourself with *one* volunteer.    :D

-W

Who really outta be finishing a door install up at the shop.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 24, 2004, 07:58:30 PM
16 missions is a haul. I think the sweet spot is to be done in 3 weeks. Either 9 or 12 missions depending how many weeknights you want to try to use. I prefered 4 missions a week as there seemed to be a good split between people who could fly weeknights versus weekends.

I wasn't implying discimination, only that they have things organized and anything coming from "outside" has to get in line.

I cruised the topics and some of the ideas were things I had in mind. At least as far as the setting. But, as you know, a good event is so much more than depicting which units flew where and when.
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Post by: Arlo on July 24, 2004, 08:07:07 PM
I've drempt of the mega-one frame-scenario-from hell for awhile now. 24 hours of pure bedlam. No regeneration. One hour life windows. Units logging on in shifts. The battle concluded.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 24, 2004, 08:27:09 PM
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Originally posted by Arlo
I've drempt of the mega-one frame-scenario-from hell for awhile now. 24 hours of pure bedlam. No regeneration. One hour life windows. Units logging on in shifts. The battle concluded.


Kind of like Le Mans meets Aces High.

Depending on the complexity of the mission objectives, you may need the senior command staff to fly desks for that - just to keep track of where the squadrons are.

And there's a risk of it breaking down into something like the MA. You'd have to enforce some kind of rule that squadrons had to launch together.
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Post by: Lizking on July 24, 2004, 09:08:20 PM
As internet gaming has become cheaper, the incentive to actually show up for a claimed slot has dropped.  Towards the end of the WB Scenarios it was 50% or more.  Hard to run a war when half yer pilots are AWOL.
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 24, 2004, 09:29:20 PM
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Originally posted by Lizking
As internet gaming has become cheaper, the incentive to actually show up for a claimed slot has dropped.  Towards the end of the WB Scenarios it was 50% or more.  Hard to run a war when half yer pilots are AWOL.


Back in AW there was a system set up where if a pile-it had X number of unexcused absences he could not sign up for another scenario. Sounds harsh but it worked to keep fannies in the seats. I think DoK started that informally with a "you don't show up for a frame - screw you" clause.

We also added the "reserve pilot" system where each 6-8 man squadron had an extra pilot or two built in. In the event of a no-show you rotated. If the slots were full, then the reservist could gun on a buff, or drive a tank, or turn the computer off and  go outdoors and play with his sheep.

Now, when I was running buff squads for a living (hehe) I'd try to have the reservist gun. Then if a driver got booted and didn't come back for 10 - 15 minutes, I'd have the reservist bail and go grab a buff at the closest friendly base to intercept the group. Sometimes that was cutting the "grey area" of the rules a bit.  But I always figgured I was entitled to 8 planes in the air until someone got shot down or crashed.  :D


-W
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Post by: Lizking on July 24, 2004, 09:33:12 PM
Yeah, we even tried, with some success, a walkon arena.  you went there if you wern't slotted, and then the CMs (working on VOX between the event arena and the walkon arena), would shuffle them in one at a time with an assignment.  It worked so well that I don't see why it couldn't be used for a 24-7 arena, so long as yuo have CMs and COs to "fly the desk".
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Post by: TweetyBird on July 24, 2004, 09:35:00 PM
>>But Hating, my boy, is an Art."
-- Ogden Nash<<

And requires discipline I'm told. Good to see you Dok
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 24, 2004, 09:39:13 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Kind of like Le Mans meets Aces High.

Depending on the complexity of the mission objectives, you may need the senior command staff to fly desks for that - just to keep track of where the squadrons are.

And there's a risk of it breaking down into something like the MA. You'd have to enforce some kind of rule that squadrons had to launch together.


Arlo has also had a real woodie for a Spanish Civil War scenario, but can never get anyone to jump on the bandwagon. You think he's a cheerleader now... he'd sit up and wag his tail like a puppy if you put together a 24 hour Spanish Civil War event. :D

I don't know if the planeset is avaiilable though.

-W
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Post by: Lizking on July 24, 2004, 09:41:29 PM
IL2 could do a SCW scenario.
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Post by: TweetyBird on July 24, 2004, 09:45:20 PM
>>Great, a whole new group of people that know I'm an easy target and want to get a piece of me.

I downloaded it while I was playing City of Heroes last night<<

Quarters, my very first CO . Sure hope you guys stay arround AH. Really good to see names from over a decade ago.
Still remember climbing to 20k and flying over A land. Just as every Mouseketeer climbed to our alt, we bailed :)

Ya hada be there - it was half time :)
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 24, 2004, 09:48:55 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo

But, as you know, a good event is so much more than depicting which units flew where and when.


That's where I became a fan of the "cantankerous CM" style that you inspired.

RM had his version of it where he'd try to intimidate you with how much money he made an hour - and why you're wasting his precious time with silly minutia - it kinda worked.  :)

DD's version revolved around his ulcers, and how you *didn't* wanna be *that guy* that made him reach for the Maalox.

Tex was good too..... he's just plain intolerant of most anything, Hehe

Later... Culero was good at not taking any crap. He had a bit of the "Soloman Complex" where he'd pronounce judgements "ex-cathedra" and then follow up with "the great wall-O-text" (tm) in explaination of the verdict.

Just reminiscing......

-W
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Post by: NUKE on July 24, 2004, 09:50:39 PM
Reminds me of when ->0d led us on a raid to Owl ( I think) and when we were done bombing and straffing, the whole squad just augered in.
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Post by: Lizking on July 24, 2004, 09:54:29 PM
Better than leading your flight of B-25s on a 45 minute flight up a blind canyon in the Morgan Stanleys and running out of alt at the same time you run out of speed.
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 24, 2004, 10:10:49 PM
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Originally posted by Aub
Someone should bring Pasha in ehre to show him that clown... he'll love it.


Why don't ewe drag it (the clown) over to Bigweek, then Pasha and many more people could appreciate it.

Do I have to think of everything?   :D

-W
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 24, 2004, 10:28:51 PM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=
Arlo has also had a real woodie for a Spanish Civil War scenario, but can never get anyone to jump on the bandwagon. You think he's a cheerleader now... he'd sit up and wag his tail like a puppy if you put together a 24 hour Spanish Civil War event. :D

I don't know if the planeset is avaiilable though.

-W


I was actually pondering something around the invasion of Crete.

Either than or the attack on Singapore.

I prefer the early-war stuff - lower lethality and planes people don't fly every day.

But it sounds like this is all academic.
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 24, 2004, 10:49:29 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I was actually pondering something around the invasion of Crete.

Either than or the attack on Singapore.

I prefer the early-war stuff - lower lethality and planes people don't fly every day.

But it sounds like this is all academic.



Naw... ponder it in spare time, outline it in spare time.

It took me and Dawn a *year* to get Ploesti off the ground (so to speak) a lot of it was just ramblings and chit-chat. That said, in the end it proved to be priceless. It generated H8 like had not been seen in a long time.  

(Our sequel: Ploesti II "Oils well that ends well" got to beta test frame - then AW closed the doors. As I mentioned before - you have the 1st Scenario - but I have the dubious distinction of having the last AW one die mid-event.)

Back to my point: One thing about a big AH events team is that *if* you find you don't have the time to run it as a one man show,  they can pick up the ball, run it, and consult you on "game intent" questions.

In later AW - RM designed a few events, and "recruited" someone else to actually CM the thing.

But I understand it kinda sucks to design an event, and then barely get to watch it unfold.

-W
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 24, 2004, 11:00:04 PM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=


But I understand it kinda sucks to design an event, and then barely get to watch it unfold.
 


Well, it ain't just that. I design events to be not just immersions in the combat situation of that time, but also to give the players a chance to learn new things.

So some of the things I'd put in may not make sense to someone else running the event. What may seem like a useless or even counterproductive target in mission 1 could be the thing that turns the tide by mission 5.


The tricky thing with early-war Pacific stuff is the huge differences between the Allied and Japanese planes. One has speed and armor and guns, the other has incedible turn and climb. It too often decays into a B&Z fest - which is authentic, but kind of unrewarding for the IJA side.
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Post by: Lizking on July 24, 2004, 11:07:29 PM
Surprise is the hardest effect to create in a scenario-but it can be done.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 24, 2004, 11:09:30 PM
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Originally posted by Lizking
Surprise is the hardest effect to create in a scenario-but it can be done.


That's another reason I like early-war or Russian Front - much less reliance on radar. When you have to patrol in squadron strength and then use the radio to figure out who that bunch of dots ahead is - then it gets quite interesting.
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Post by: Lizking on July 24, 2004, 11:16:21 PM
Yep, I like having dedicated ATC's only with the radar, too.  Anything to raise the level of cooperation and reward it makes for a funner scenario for all.
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Post by: Arlo on July 25, 2004, 01:19:52 AM
What this gorram game needs is uberbipes and senioritas ... I'm tellin' yas! :D
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Post by: Guppy35 on July 25, 2004, 01:40:49 AM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=
Naw... ponder it in spare time, outline it in spare time.

It took me and Dawn a *year* to get Ploesti off the ground (so to speak) a lot of it was just ramblings and chit-chat. That said, in the end it proved to be priceless. It generated H8 like had not been seen in a long time.

-W


Ahemmm!  It's not like you didn't have help with that one :)

Dan/Slack
+Tiff
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Post by: Edbert on July 25, 2004, 08:58:36 AM
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Originally posted by SLO
do you understand what perception means Arlo.....

he did nothing to anyone in the squad he is now....so why should we go on a witch hunt just because Fester's a little frustrated and starts posting stuff that was done 2 years ago...

I don't live in the past....and the past will not dictate my future.

until Meta does something to ME, then me and him will have problems....If he does something bad to someone in the squad then me and him will have problems...but that just did not happen

So, the registered child molester that lives next door to you is clearly able to babysit your kids since he's never done anything wrong since he moved in , right?
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Post by: Quarters on July 25, 2004, 09:01:38 AM
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Quarters, my very first CO . Sure hope you guys stay arround AH.


We'll, see, TB, my old friend. I soured on the whole concept after EA chewed me up and spit me out along with the rest of the AW history. It's been almost 3 years now, though, and I am starting to feel the urge to die untold numbers of times from various altitudes.
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Post by: Arlo on July 25, 2004, 09:22:45 AM
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Originally posted by Quarters
Well, see, TB, my old friend. I soured on the whole concept after EA chewed me up and spit me out along with the rest of the AW history. It's been almost 3 years now, though, and I am starting to feel the urge to die untold numbers of times from various altitudes.


Wanna help me revive my squadron? :D
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Post by: Krusher on July 25, 2004, 09:59:35 AM
Oh my Cod !

I have been gone for 2 weeks or so and this monstrosity spawned !


It is fun to see all the old timers names floating around .


<<<< a nobody named wk19  back in AW
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Post by: Krusher on July 25, 2004, 10:00:41 AM
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Originally posted by Arlo
Wanna help me revive my squadron? :D



again?


quit stealing their beer and they may stick around next time :)


Hey Arlo, the room is still available for the con.   Talk your twin Aub into driving down from Okie land..  No you dont have to share a room !
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Post by: Brat on July 25, 2004, 10:42:55 AM
Scenarios? did someone say scenarios?

Do I get to be Dweeb herder again? That was some FUNNY stuff...please...someone tell me those chatlogs are still stored somewhere safe...
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 25, 2004, 10:59:22 AM
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Originally posted by Brat
Scenarios? did someone say scenarios?

Do I get to be Dweeb herder again? That was some FUNNY stuff...please...someone tell me those chatlogs are still stored somewhere safe...


Dok: IF you ever do run an event. Brat comes highly reccomended as a dweeb herder - particularly for walk-ons. Let's just say he has the skillz that pays the billz.  hehe

Tiff: Help with the event or help with the H8 ?    hehe  Ya, Ploesti had a "planning newsgroup" for about 6 months before the event. A LOT of good input came in that way.

General comment to something DoK said. Sometimes something happens without Dar that can cause "surprises".  In (frame 2?) of Ploesti 1, pretty much the whole damn buff herd was headed "downtown" and only *one* lowly scout saw it and called it for what it was.  He was like a single lamb bleating unheard in a great wilderness..... The net result was a total frame blowout that resulted in a virtually unrecoverable points margin. Design assumed that at "some point" in a frame the buff stream(s) would get made and attacked. Due to a *collosal* Axis blunder the entire stream got in and out RTB unscathed.
I'm not sure if Gypsy Baron was buff XO - but that would help explain it.  hehe

-W
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Post by: Flyboy on July 25, 2004, 11:19:21 AM
this is the longest thread ive ever seen
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Post by: Citabria on July 25, 2004, 11:20:21 AM
Aces High TOD is supposed to be all about campaigns missions and scenarios it would seem that the input of one of the origional people to explore complex scenarios and such would be most welcome.
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Post by: culero on July 25, 2004, 11:30:17 AM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=
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I'm not sure if Gypsy Baron was buff XO - but that would help explain it.  hehe

-W


I guess you're looking for the thousand and first kick in the balls over that mission, eh? :)

culero (that mission was BRILLIANT, I'm telling ewe ;) )
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Post by: culero on July 25, 2004, 11:39:48 AM
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The tricky thing with early-war Pacific stuff is the huge differences between the Allied and Japanese planes. One has speed and armor and guns, the other has incedible turn and climb. It too often decays into a B&Z fest - which is authentic, but kind of unrewarding for the IJA side.


Yeah, mostly. Pearl Harbor was kinda fun :)

I've also thought for a long time that Battle of Bismark Sea would be interesting, since its focus would be on the Allies having to work on the deck killing ships. The Zekes might do OK in that environment. The only bad thing is you'd have to skew the number of Zekes way higher than they were historically to allow it to be a contest.

culero
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Post by: culero on July 25, 2004, 11:47:52 AM
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Originally posted by Quarters
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My single best moment was the "unveiling" of the first AW:Vietnam "pictures" on Bigweek. I think Pasha still hates me over that one.


I damn sure do, you bastiche :)

culero
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Post by: culero on July 25, 2004, 11:56:55 AM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I thought Gray Eagle was the artiste of the crew?


Now yer gonna hurt Quarter's feelings :)

culero (LOL)
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 25, 2004, 12:49:24 PM
I actually prefer having human spotters in the air. Some of the best moments of the early events were when scouts found the enemy formations and the intercepting groups and had to very quickly coordinate the bounce.  Now if a CO doesn't hear the report, well - bad things happen - but that's war. That's part of the fun of these events.

The the possibility of the whole event ending due to one blow-out is why I like more than 8 missions.  If the first few missions become a blow out, you have time to make rules/force changes and effectively break the event into two halves. It isn't always a design issue that causes the blow-out either - sometimes its bad luck or the talent pool getting stacked (esp. w/Pacific events where you get all the B&Z junkies on the Allied side).

Looking through some of the stats, the Zeke doesn't look all that much slower than the P40, Spit II, or Hurri I - execpt in a dive, of course.  And given an advantage in numbers and the ability to move the entire formation en masse without chance of radar pickup until they get within a sector or so of target, and this could work. Oh ... and no cannon-armed Allied planes ... just buckets of .303 ... oh joy.

Tell y'all what. Let me write up a couple designs and if there's a way to run them, then great. Otherwise I'll leave the ideas out there for poeple to ponder (and pine over). If one of the events I design gets run, I'll do up the logo artwork and rig a cafepress.com store so folks can GET their souvenirs this time, damnit!
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 25, 2004, 12:57:25 PM
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Originally posted by culero
I guess you're looking for the thousand and first kick in the balls over that mission, eh? :)

culero (that mission was BRILLIANT, I'm telling ewe ;) )



The Allied mission was good, I'll give you that. But what *forever* stands out in my mind is that one lone Axis scout bleating that he had found the buff stream - only to be ignored by Axis high command.  That single collasal screw up set the stage for all that followed.

I'm forever gratefull to Dawn for covering the door in OC1 for me so I could watch that frame unfold with 2 machines (one tuned to each team) I don;t know what made me pick *that* frame to observe - but it proved to be a classic.

-W
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Post by: Guppy35 on July 25, 2004, 01:03:37 PM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=


General comment to something DoK said. Sometimes something happens without Dar that can cause "surprises".  In (frame 2?) of Ploesti 1, pretty much the whole damn buff herd was headed "downtown" and only *one* lowly scout saw it and called it for what it was.  He was like a single lamb bleating unheard in a great wilderness..... The net result was a total frame blowout that resulted in a virtually unrecoverable points margin. Design assumed that at "some point" in a frame the buff stream(s) would get made and attacked. Due to a *collosal* Axis blunder the entire stream got in and out RTB unscathed.
I'm not sure if Gypsy Baron was buff XO - but that would help explain it.  hehe

-W


Probably the most tense I ever got in a scenario frame.  Flying escort to the 17s, waiting for the LW to hit us.  Just about jumped out of my chair when the first flak burst went off over the target and then the race to get the buffs home safe.  Never fired a shot and loved every second of it.

OK lets fly it again :)

Dan/Slack
+Tiff
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Post by: Arlo on July 25, 2004, 01:19:59 PM
I like CAP. I don't do CAP frames often enough. A war from start to finish. Battle results affecting history. Right now it's playing out the what ifs after Britain losing BoB. It'd be even more interesting with some planeset gaps filled and some more terrains.

We need a Spanish terrain. No really we do. :D
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Post by: Arlo on July 25, 2004, 01:22:28 PM
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Originally posted by Krusher

Hey Arlo, the room is still available for the con.   Talk your twin Aub into driving down from Okie land..  No you dont have to share a room !


Love to ... you know I would. THIS was gonna be THE con I finally made it to. But I'm busted flat broke all to hell, brother. More than I ever have been in my entire life. Third-world country and a member of the untouchable class type busted flat broke poor. Still got the internet, though. Only in America. :D
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 25, 2004, 01:28:27 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I actually prefer having human spotters in the air. Some of the best moments of the early events were when scouts found the enemy formations and the intercepting groups and had to very quickly coordinate the bounce.  Now if a CO doesn't hear the report, well - bad things happen - but that's war. That's part of the fun of these events.

The the possibility of the whole event ending due to one blow-out is why I like more than 8 missions.  If the first few missions become a blow out, you have time to make rules/force changes and effectively break the event into two halves. It isn't always a design issue that causes the blow-out either - sometimes its bad luck or the talent pool getting stacked (esp. w/Pacific events where you get all the B&Z junkies on the Allied side).

 


You might define Ploesti! as a "mini-event" then LOL.  

We followed the format that the Futile Dweebs (tm) used for Pearl Harbor. It was a 3 x 3 frame,  switch side event. The switch side format was used for Pearl and Ploesti because they were both kind of Axis bowouts in real life. So to balance it, each team had three frames on each side of the coin - attack / defend.  I think it was a week for Phase one, a week break to switch sides, then a week for Phase two.

It seemed like a natural way to go.... back when I was on debate teams - the switchside event was common. The idea being to see which team could argue BOTH sides of the coin the best overall.

With Ploesti, the Allied team could choose 3 out of 4 possible mission scenarios with the caveat that during (at least) one of the frames you had to do a mass low attack of the main refinery complexes.

In frame one Culero's allied team beat around the bush at secondary objectives but scored well overall, in frame TWO they went downtown en masse with a prety sneaky route and were completely missed by the live airborn scouts. (Save of course for the one lone scout who was screaming his head off unheard by high command.)

For whatever reason they had such a jump on the Axis that by the time Axis high command figgered out that they just got buggered up the refinery - they could not catch the buff stream to even efectively harass it on RTB. The buffs got home and barely even needed a car wash to be GTG again.  :)

Now in *theory* - the other team *could* have recovered when it had it's turn at offence - provided they could put in a good offensive performance.  That's where some talent imbalance took over. The team Culero was on managed to detect and ravage the buff streams more in line with what was *supposed* to happen. Therefore, the frame two blowout held to the end.

We had most of the "bugs" fixed for Ploesti II "Oils Well That Ends Well" and we even had a special Mediteranian terrain done up with real live flak-trains, refineries, etc etc. I think the feller that did it up (briliantly) had everything in Romania but Dracula's castle included in there.

But like I said,  AW was summarily shut down right after we ran a beta-frame to test the reworks on the design. And we had a still born scenario.  :(

Drat......

-W
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Post by: culero on July 25, 2004, 01:41:01 PM
Jeezuz Wayne, you're getting more senile by the minute...get yer facts straight! :)

1) Pearl Harbor wasn't a =Futile Dweebs= event.

TEAM PEARL (http://www.sc2000.net/~kmyers/pearl/teampearl.htm)

2) At Ploesti, we went downtown the FIRST mission (Tidal Wave). We just attacked the one target that exposed us to their defenses the least, and from a direction they didn't expect. They were pissed we didn't just run it down the middle.

Then, the second mission you're talking about was to a secondary target.

It shows just how piss-poor a CM you were, you never even understood the damn event rules :)

culero ( ~kick~ )
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 25, 2004, 01:43:15 PM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=
With Ploesti, the Allied team could choose 3 out of 4 possible mission scenarios with the caveat that during (at least) one of the frames you had to do a mass low attack of the main refinery complexes.  


Something I want to note here. When I took the newsgroup input and actually cohesed it into a written rule-set. I left a deliberate rathole in the rules that no one took advantage of.

It was pick three out of four missions - so that there would still be surprise on the third frame. BUT I very deliberately left out wording that said you HAD to run three out of four. The only thing you HAD to do was make one trip "downtown" low.

The points were set up so that three mediocre trips to the refinery (risk included) should have scored as well as one trip and running two secondary missions.

In theory a team could have taken the risk and planned THREE missions downtown. Or one downtown and two others repeated. That (the hole) was the only  part of the rules that I did totally unilaterally (and quietly) so as to add an extra element of surprise should a sneaky team actually pick up on it and use it.

I had a vision of a team doing just that, the other side screaming about it, and then being able to sit back and say "Tell me where it says they can't do it?" It would have been a good H8 generator.  Alas, no one tried it.

Were I a CO with a fairly sucessfull trip downtown under my belt, I *think* I would have taken that risk and gone back yet AGAIN just to try to rub salt in it and make the other team scream.

It's not just about winning.... it's making them scream that feels the best.  :D

-W
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Post by: culero on July 25, 2004, 01:50:16 PM
Nah, we saw that in the rools. The only reason we went downtown the third frame was because the team wanted a good fight, and we had to promise it to 'em when they all complained how BORING the Frame Two sneak attack was gonna be.

Then, as +Tiff said, that mission turned out to be fun and not so boring....but a promise was a promise :)

Besides, Vampi was CO and he wanted a good fight, too. I had to work on him hard to convince him the sneak attack would P-O Team Hanky enough to be worth it ;)

culero
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Post by: Arlo on July 25, 2004, 01:52:15 PM
Next we'll be talking about why the gorram Betties died.
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Post by: culero on July 25, 2004, 01:53:30 PM
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Next we'll be talking about why the gorram Betties died.


Oh joy :)

culero
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 25, 2004, 01:56:25 PM
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Originally posted by culero
Jeezuz Wayne, you're getting more senile by the minute...get yer facts straight! :)

It shows just how piss-poor a CM you were, you never even understood the damn event rules :)

culero ( ~kick~ )


Listen joker..... "Team Pearl" looked a lot like the Futile Dweebs when you read the roster - EXCUUUUUSE me!

And I stand corrected on the exact details of the Ploesti rout and which frame was which.  But I captured the essence of the "feeling thing" about Frame 2.

As for understanding the rules, I think so.  I was the moke that had to take that whole damn newsgroup and filter it down into a typed ruleset.  According to my last post it was you clowns that missed a glaring oppertunity left in the rules.  :p

-W
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 25, 2004, 02:00:37 PM
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Originally posted by culero
Besides, Vampi was CO and he wanted a good fight, too. I had to work on him hard to convince him the sneak attack would P-O Team Hanky enough to be worth it ;)

culero


For Dok's benifit..... Culero (and to a large degree myself) both attended and graduated from the "Gypsy Baron School Of Way Too Sneaky Bomber Planning" (tm)

Now you have a good reason to hate us both... (grin)

-W
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Post by: culero on July 25, 2004, 02:08:14 PM
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~load of blather~
-W


Just so everyone here knows what I mean, here's a pic of Wayne here while on CM duty:

(http://home.rgv.rr.com/casamyers/sleepypie.jpg)

culero  :D
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 25, 2004, 02:38:03 PM
BASTICH!!

-W
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 25, 2004, 03:03:21 PM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=
For Dok's benifit..... Culero (and to a large degree myself) both attended and graduated from the "Gypsy Baron School Of Way Too Sneaky Bomber Planning" (tm)

Now you have a good reason to hate us both... (grin)

-W


It wasn't the "too sneaky-ness" ... it was the doing crap which he knew damn well wasn't in the spirit of the design and not asking if it was OK and doing it anyway and then whining about the fall-out afterwards.

That stuff really sucks because the CM has to deal with the other team who rightfully feels that they were shafted. And then it sucks again because the next event you gotta spend an evening putting in so many rules stipulations into the write-up to protect against a repeat of that happening again it starts to look like a friggin legal document.
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Post by: Quarters on July 25, 2004, 03:07:23 PM
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Originally posted by culero
Now yer gonna hurt Quarter's feelings :)


That so isn't the case and you know it, Culero. Now reel that hook in and go try casting in different waters.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 25, 2004, 03:19:05 PM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=

It seemed like a natural way to go.... back when I was on debate teams - the switchside event was common. The idea being to see which team could argue BOTH sides of the coin the best overall.
 


Hmmm ... yeah ... that kind of assumes you have close to the same numbers on each side.  Or the bomber guys just  stay on the attacking side.

But it usually takes a team about 2 or 3 missions to get into the groove. Then the middle three missions are when both sides are at their peak effectiveness. And the last 3 are when people are running on instinct and Hate. That "Game 7" feeling. If things stay close up through about the 5th mission, then end is a really intense.
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 25, 2004, 05:36:52 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
It wasn't the "too sneaky-ness" ... it was the doing crap which he knew damn well wasn't in the spirit of the design and not asking if it was OK and doing it anyway and then whining about the fall-out afterwards.

That stuff really sucks because the CM has to deal with the other team who rightfully feels that they were shafted. And then it sucks again because the next event you gotta spend an evening putting in so many rules stipulations into the write-up to protect against a repeat of that happening again it starts to look like a friggin legal document.



There's a fine line between "too sneaky" and violating spirit.  We're talking abou tthe same basic behavior - just differing on degree.  :)

The =GB= I've known is the one that can sneak an entire herd of Buffs (flying sideways?) through a 1/8 mile gap in radar coverage.
And then will then say that "hey - gaps in radar coverage existed in the real world too."

Culero can correct me if I'm mistaken, (and we know he will because he lives to correct me on details)  but the *beginning* of the whining in Ploesti was when the buffs (led by GB or he?) went downtown via an "alternate route" so to speak.

Oh, and yes, by the time the SMG was in full swing, there existed a page or so of standard boiler-plate "legalese" to try to head off players commiting "strange behavior". Strange bahavior isn't strictly the pervue of bombers though, I remember RM having to deal with British escourt planes or something that would shut off the engines and glide across the channel to save gas. :D

Strange bomber behavior though somewhat became "normal" as you could never be sure just *how* the buffs would get to target, just that they were uber motivated to somehow get there.  I think =GB= left that legacy to buff drivers in general. Culero will agree that over the years since you left, AW saw some pretty wild buff missions.....  LOL.

Let it suffice to say that =GB= and his progeny are still very much alive.  If you do a write-up, take that extra paragraph to deliniate what the buffs can or cannot do..  

This in line with DD's theorim of scenario players being like rats. They'll crawl through any little hole to get the cheese. If they can't find a hole they'll gnaw one. And failing that, the rats will just crap all over everything.  

-W
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Post by: Brooke on July 25, 2004, 05:53:38 PM
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Originally posted by Arlo
I like CAP. I don't do CAP frames often enough. A war from start to finish. Battle results affecting history.


In March, 1996, Try Harder started Saga of the 5th Air Force.  It was to be a three-part scenario on the topic of a Japanese push through New Guinea toward Australia, with each part covering a span of time.  Results of earlier parts affected later parts, and some new models of aircraft (or more of a previously indroduced new model) would show up each time.  It was an awesome scenario.

-- Brooke
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 25, 2004, 06:11:20 PM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=

This in line with DD's theorim of scenario players being like rats. They'll crawl through any little hole to get the cheese. If they can't find a hole they'll gnaw one. And failing that, the rats will just crap all over everything.  


Well, that's one way.

The other way is to lay it out real clear that if either CO is planning something that makes them even wonder if it'll violate the spirit of the event, they damn well better ask the CM first.

This way, if they're planning to sneak 73 B17's through a storm sewer the CM can say "no", "well, only 12 B17's can fit in a Yugoslavian storm sewer,' or "fine, but I need to advise the other side of a breakthrough in subterranean flight technology so they stand some chance."

In other words, the CO's need to respect the CM's role of keeping the event balanced. Telling the CM you want to do something sneaky doesn't mean he'll tell you that you can't.

That's my prefered way of doing things.  If a CO decides to think they're Above the Law, then they won't be surprised when the hatchet starts swinging crotch-ward.

     -DoK
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Post by: DrDea on July 25, 2004, 06:15:18 PM
Lets bash Voss some more shall we? I'll get it rolling.
  Voss.......Like OJ......your a scumbag :)
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 25, 2004, 06:33:55 PM
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Originally posted by DrDea
Lets bash Voss some more shall we? I'll get it rolling.
  Voss.......Like OJ......your a scumbag :)



I dunno, talking with DoK about scenario play is something I've wanted to do for I dunno..... about 8 years now.

I've chatted with RM, DD, and Tex a bit... but it's nice to talk to the source (of course).   :D

It might actually get me flying again...... and anything that would encourage Dok to think about doing an event would be benificial for the greater community.

But we've pretty much beat that horse anyway....

So..... OK Voss Sucks!!!

Happy now?

-W
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Post by: DrDea on July 25, 2004, 06:44:44 PM
Actually Im enjoying the hell out of all this historical AW chat.I got in when it was free on AOHELL in early 97 late 96.Nice to see the guys who made it alot of what it was talking about it.Carry on.Sorry for my hijack.;)
 DrDea
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 25, 2004, 07:18:51 PM
Guys like DoK made it what it was....

Guys like me got active "late game" after the trails were blazed and the SOP's already set.

But I'll leave you with a funny related story:

Gypsy Baron has, over the years, taken a strong interest in organized Contra Dancing and dancing in general. (so much so that we've called him "twinkle toes" over on Bigweek)

Anyway, I was planning a trip that would take take me to the left coast and Texas.  At the same time, =GB= had some friends in N.H. he wanted to hook up with - dance related.  So I loaned him my house for a couple weeks, I'd rather have it house-sat" than left alone.

So...  while I'm in Texas (Corpus) we make plans to have dinner at this really cool top floor restaurant in Corpus with Culero, his wife Becca, and Thirdup.  (buff GL's all mind ewe)

When we all arrived at the restaurant we had reservations at, we find that it was closed because of a fairly big fire during the earlier part of the day.

The cause.....  roasting lamb on the balcony had set the curtains on fire.

Mbaaaaa

-W
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Post by: DrDea on July 25, 2004, 07:24:26 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl   How fitting:lol
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Post by: culero on July 25, 2004, 08:27:33 PM
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Originally posted by Quarters
That so isn't the case and you know it, Culero. Now reel that hook in and go try casting in different waters.


ROTFLMAO :)

culero (cod-damn finicky fish anyway)
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Post by: culero on July 25, 2004, 08:54:52 PM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=
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Culero can correct me if I'm mistaken, (and we know he will because he lives to correct me on details)  but the *beginning* of the whining in Ploesti was when the buffs (led by GB or he?) went downtown via an "alternate route" so to speak.


Of course yer wrong, and it ain't about details. It's more illustration you were and still are out of touch with the rules of the event you were supposed to be CM of (and awake while doing so :))

That was my mission plan, and it "fit" the scenario design both letter and spirit. You wanted an on-the-deck refinery raid. We upped the field designated as "Africa", and flew direct to Ploesti. On the deck.  No funny routes at all. We just decided to forego trying for max egg points, hit the minimum (one reefer) and try for the RTB safe points instead. You can't say that wasn't in the design, or you wouldn't have included those points.

Hanky was pissed because we didn't try to bull through that Maginot Line defense he'd set up in the center of the area around that tempting mass of close-together targets. Just because the one target we hit wasn't very close to the others was no reason to not defend it. He ignored his scouts because he believed we were making a feint. His tough luck.

The funny thing was that when, in the second frame, we decided "OK, he says we're sneaky, we'll SHOW him sneaky" and went for a secondary target it was his same tactical error (ignoring scouts) that sunk his ass.

Oh, and the event CM never "getting it", that's pretty damned funny, too ;)

culero
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Post by: culero on July 25, 2004, 09:04:35 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Well, that's one way.

The other way is to lay it out real clear that if either CO is planning something that makes them even wonder if it'll violate the spirit of the event, they damn well better ask the CM first.

This way, if they're planning to sneak 73 B17's through a storm sewer the CM can say "no", "well, only 12 B17's can fit in a Yugoslavian storm sewer,' or "fine, but I need to advise the other side of a breakthrough in subterranean flight technology so they stand some chance."

In other words, the CO's need to respect the CM's role of keeping the event balanced. Telling the CM you want to do something sneaky doesn't mean he'll tell you that you can't.

That's my prefered way of doing things.  If a CO decides to think they're Above the Law, then they won't be surprised when the hatchet starts swinging crotch-ward.

     -DoK


Pretty valid concern, and reaction.

Best way I've seen of avoiding this is for the event producer to choose the COs by private invitation as soon as a concept is ready. Then, include them as an active part of the design team. That way, they're invested in the event as more than competitors. Its why you'll see COs credited as part of the team on the Team Pearl page, for instance.

I can imagine how frustrating it'd be to have a command element "game" a design you've put a lot of effort into. That's why I can't imagine not having the command elements in the tent ;)

culero
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 25, 2004, 09:51:49 PM
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Originally posted by culero
Of course yer wrong, and it ain't about details. It's more illustration you were and still are out of touch with the rules of the event you were supposed to be CM of (and awake while doing so :))


Listen here mister Wall-O-Text......  all I'm doing is getting Frame 1 and Frame 2 TARGETS mixed up and intertwined in my memory, a lot of brain cells have died since then you know!  :p

We agree totally that missed scout reports is what sunk him.

I have it straight *now* that in Frame one you hit a target that was a bit tangental to the main refinery complex, did it straight up, and he whined that you didn't really go downtown but pussied out. Yes, that refinery was in the target area and I never said otherwise. BUT I can *understand* where *he'd* whine that a little corner hit like that was contrary to the spirit of "Operation Tidal Wave" and the gauntlet run.

It was Frame *two* that you hit an alternate, using ultra sneaky pathing , and he whined louder. It was frame two that I got to observe both radio rooms. I just had the target crossed up with frame one.  But I'll never forget that scout screaming into the darkness, and praying that someone would listen.

My memory had them interleaved and backwards. But in both cases his "problem" was that he had a **very** "puritan" view of the intent and the rules, and *he* thought you guys were "gaming the game". I tend to agree with you that in light of the fact that he was in the planning newsgroup too, he had no reason to be so altruistic all of a sudden. We had talked about "alternatives" to running straight into the hornets nest and scouts being important.

I never *ever* made an ethical judgement call on if I thought you guys were gaming it on offence - only because I'd run way too many buff missions with the exact same mindset that you guys used. And so had Hanky for that matter. I don't know why he'd think you (of all buff planners) were gonna turn into a "shining white night" just because we all had some deep reverence for the real Operation Tidal Wave.

None of this changes the fact that by the end of frame *two* there was a serious problem with the point-spread, and the only hope was that his turn at offence would be spectacular.

Of course after frame two, your real goal was to drive him totally crazy - it worked.

Note to DoK - Opposing CO was Greg "Hacka" Bergman.... by the end of the scenario he did so much crying that he's now forever refered to as Hanky.  Or as Culero called him, Mr. Hanky  lol

Real good guy, he's on speaking terms with Culero again too.

-W
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 25, 2004, 09:54:19 PM
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Originally posted by culero
Pretty valid concern, and reaction.

Best way I've seen of avoiding this is for the event producer to choose the COs by private invitation as soon as a concept is ready. Then, include them as an active part of the design team. That way, they're invested in the event as more than competitors. Its why you'll see COs credited as part of the team on the Team Pearl page, for instance.

I can imagine how frustrating it'd be to have a command element "game" a design you've put a lot of effort into. That's why I can't imagine not having the command elements in the tent ;)

culero


Ya...... that idea worked real well for Ploesti - You and Hanky were obviously on the same exact page.  :p
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Post by: culero on July 25, 2004, 11:18:30 PM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=
Ya...... that idea worked real well for Ploesti - You and Hanky were obviously on the same exact page.  :p


HAHAHA :)

Truth is, tho, I wasn't involved in anything except setting up the terrain for ya'll on that one. I wanted to be just another rabid player in that event...and had some fun doing exactly that ;)

culero
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Post by: Arlo on July 25, 2004, 11:21:22 PM
Anyone eeee-mail =GB= yet and ask him to come here and explain about the Betties? Hmmmmmm?
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 25, 2004, 11:26:24 PM
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Originally posted by culero
HAHAHA :)

Truth is, tho, I wasn't involved in anything except setting up the terrain for ya'll on that one. I wanted to be just another rabid player in that event...and had some fun doing exactly that ;)

culero


I dissagree.

Though Vampi was your team CO,  YOU were the Offence Buff Planner and I'll bet got easy "rubber stamps" on the plans.
(I forgot till today if it was you or =GB= doing the routing, hard to tell the difference :p  )  

That makes you more than just a player and "responsible" (good or bad) for the outcomes of frames 1 and 2.

-W
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 25, 2004, 11:31:10 PM
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Originally posted by Arlo
Anyone eeee-mail =GB= yet and ask him to come here and explain about the Betties? Hmmmmmm?


Another clarification for DoK.   The previous record holder for longest thread (before this one) was "Why the Betties Died" by DaBug of the Cutthroats.  

This argument set the tone for "Squabblecanal" and (as I recall) gave DD a few new ulcers.

I think =GB= did the plans for the (very ill fated) Betties and only he or DaBug could prolly do the best job of recounting the nightmare. But it was funny as hell - in hindsight.

-W
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 25, 2004, 11:42:05 PM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=
I think =GB= did the plans for the (ill fated) Betties and only he or DaBug could prolly do the best job of recounting the nightmare. But it was funny as hell - in hindsight.

-W


What we can all be sure of is that the Betties died - most all of them.  (Dead Betties everywhere - in technicolor)

Who's *fault* that is became another hot-spot that will never quite die.

Follow up:

DaBug (a RL exterminator and RC plane racer) later rejoined the sheepish flock over in EQ as Termodore - I don't think he ever went back to AW after that thread.

=GB= (when he's not dancing) still does buff missions, with or without Betties.
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Post by: culero on July 25, 2004, 11:56:31 PM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=
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It was Frame *two* that you hit an alternate, using ultra sneaky pathing , and he whined louder.


Crap, nuthin' sneaky about it, the route was very straightforward. It was just that nobody expected us to settle for the half-point-value secondary target.

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None of this changes the fact that by the end of frame *two* there was a serious problem with the point-spread, and the only hope was that his turn at offence would be spectacular.


No, the point spread wasn't that bad. We were playing "ball control offense", figuring scoring what was safe would be good enough because we were confident we could scout and defend well enough when it was our turn to keep them from scoring much at all.

They were just looking very stoopid at the time because we managed a heavy raid with no battle casualties, which was all THEIR stoopid fault :)

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Of course after frame two, your real goal was to drive him totally crazy - it worked.


Nah, me? ~innocent look~

Gotta admit that newsgroup was a helluva flamefest :)

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Real good guy, he's on speaking terms with Culero again too.
-W


Yanno, I never knew, suspected, or even imagined Greg coulda had that much Hate in him. Amazing for a hippy, eh? ~G~

culero
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Post by: culero on July 26, 2004, 12:00:14 AM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=
I dissagree.

Though Vampi was your team CO,  YOU were the Offence Buff Planner and I'll bet got easy "rubber stamps" on the plans.
(I forgot till today if it was you or =GB= doing the routing, hard to tell the difference :p  )  

That makes you more than just a player and "responsible" (good or bad) for the outcomes of frames 1 and 2.

-W


Bah. Vampi did a great job in that scenario, inclkuding calling the strategy, targets, etc. All I did was lay out the routings.

It was in the flamefest I got kinda involved, but that was personal too :)

culero
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Post by: culero on July 26, 2004, 12:02:04 AM
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Originally posted by Arlo
Anyone eeee-mail =GB= yet and ask him to come here and explain about the Betties? Hmmmmmm?


LMAO :)

culero (LMAO!)
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 26, 2004, 12:39:19 AM
Well - the idea I'm working on would give the Betty drivers a chance at redemption. The planes will look like Ju-88s, of course - but that's a minor nit.
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Post by: afool on July 26, 2004, 06:56:51 AM
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Originally posted by Arlo
Anyone eeee-mail =GB= yet and ask him to come here and explain about the Betties? Hmmmmmm?


I believe =GB= is doing a walk about of the country again.

afool
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Post by: culero on July 26, 2004, 08:01:41 AM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Well - the idea I'm working on would give the Betty drivers a chance at redemption. The planes will look like Ju-88s, of course - but that's a minor nit.


Just make farking sure that they don't assume trail formation then fly below Rocketman while he's in a Hog.

culero (and now you know Why The Betties Died)

PS - 1600, for ewe post-counters ;)
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 26, 2004, 10:03:18 AM
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Originally posted by culero
Just make farking sure that they don't assume trail formation then fly below Rocketman while he's in a Hog.

culero (and now you know Why The Betties Died)


No Hogs. Mostly the Allies will have .303's and only 4 .50's.
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Post by: ghostdancer on July 26, 2004, 10:34:46 AM
DoKGonZo,

Just wanted to drop a note .. I am head of the CM team that runs special events over in the SEA. Basically Friday and Sunday Squad Ops (many structure 3 frame scenarios), snap shots, KOTH, and full blown scenarios (BoB coming up very soon).

Let me have the head of the Scenario team (Jordi from the DAMNED) get in touch with you. The CMs put on scenarios but also we do player (non-CM) scenarios (Artik just had his run a bit back).

If you are interested that is .. you can design it, hammer things out with them, have a terrain created, how you want the arena setup, and have setup CMs assigned etc.

Just think of them as your worker bees. :)

Anyway hope you are serious about this.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 26, 2004, 11:09:30 AM
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Originally posted by ghostdancer


If you are interested that is .. you can design it, hammer things out with them, have a terrain created, how you want the arena setup, and have setup CMs assigned etc.

Just think of them as your worker bees. :)

Anyway hope you are serious about this.


Coolness.

Yeah, I'm serious. I have most of the basic structure figured out for this event already.  I'll try to get it firmed up this week with a list of open issues you guys no doubt know the answers to.

Not sure it'd need a custom terrain - maybe take an existing one and move around a few fields and pile some extra buildings onto one city. Add a few stationery water targets at a port.
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Post by: Grizzly on July 26, 2004, 11:10:24 AM
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Originally posted by culero
No, the point spread wasn't that bad. We were playing "ball control offense", figuring scoring what was safe would be good enough because we were confident we could scout and defend well enough when it was our turn to keep them from scoring much at all.

They were just looking very stoopid at the time because we managed a heavy raid with no battle casualties, which was all THEIR stoopid fault

culero


I'm wondering if the problem wasn't the scoring system.  The purpose of the Ploesti raids was to degrade axis fuel supply. A few periferal hits wouldn't have accomplished the goal, and the scoring system should have reflected that. Perhaps something like minimum percent of total destruction with some offset for casualities. Just thinking...
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Post by: Grizzly on July 26, 2004, 11:21:08 AM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Coolness.

Yeah, I'm serious. I have most of the basic structure figured out for this event already.  I'll try to get it firmed up this week with a list of open issues you guys no doubt know the answers to.


INCREDIBLE... simply incredible, another DoK scenario. This is something that one wouldn't even have dreamed of a week ago. All because of that letch Voss. I can hear it now... the engines of long gone AW and WB vets being fired up and fine tuned all around the world, preparing to take part in the glory and merriment to come. The cods have truly blessed us!
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Post by: Guppy35 on July 26, 2004, 11:25:13 AM
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Originally posted by Grizzly
I'm wondering if the problem wasn't the scoring system.  The purpose of the Ploesti raids was to degrade axis fuel supply. A few periferal hits wouldn't have accomplished the goal, and the scoring system should have reflected that. Perhaps something like minimum percent of total destruction with some offset for casualities. Just thinking...


Part of the problem was the idea in some folks minds that Ploesti was a single refinary when it was multiple refinarys within the area.

It was giving folks the option to hit other targets so the defenders couldn't just camp at Ploesti.  The defenders knew that one of the 4 days was going to be the low level raid to the main refinaries, but didn't know when.  That way there had to be some effort to cover more then just the single target.

Not much of a challenge if you know the bombers are going to the same place every day

Dan/Slack
+Tiff
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 26, 2004, 11:41:23 AM
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Originally posted by Grizzly
The cods have truly blessed us!


Wait'll you see it and then tell me it's a blessing. This thing is looking very, very mean for both sides.
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Post by: RDSaustinTX on July 26, 2004, 12:18:19 PM
Should have suspected when I saw 33 page thread.
 
HTF are ya Dok?
 
Mullah  :cool:
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Post by: jordi on July 26, 2004, 01:38:13 PM
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Much appreciated. Really. All that stuff seems like it happened a lifetime ago and I guess in a way that's true.

The uber-scenarios came up on one of the mailing lists I belong to as well - lots of us old fartz there too. The tools and resources - and player capacity - in AH has already got me thinking of what is possible. I mean, we could get some serious multi-dimensional air  campaigns going here with complex decisions needed at all command levels.  But you'd need at least 9 or 10 missions to play it out - you don't want something that massive and time-consuming tipped based on one strong mission by a side. And you want a longer time component to play on attrition of replacement planes and so on.

But in looking at the Scenarios forum topics it looks like any new event from outside the CM team has like a 6- to 9-month wait to get scheduled. And that's well beyond my horizon for planning my time at the moment. And I also don't know if the current player base is such that they could dedicate 3  nights a week for a month solid to one of my patented torture-fests.

So I don't know ... it's kind of up to the people who are running things.


DOK !

Never really meet you - but heard LOTS about you even in my old AW Scenario Days.

If you have a plan / idea for a scenario please let me know at

mikebowman-ah@sbcglobal.net

I am sure there is a way to shuffle things around if needed.

:)

Right now we are doing 4 frame scenarios once per week then a 2 month lay off then repeat and rinse as needed.

The big difference is that there is a lot more to do in AH than we we had in AH - Tour of Duty on Friday night and Sunday afternoon, Snap shots 2 days a week, CAP once a week. So 5 of 7 days are busy flying something more organized than what happens inthe Main arena.

What we do have openings Monday and Tuesday nights. The problem is this excludes the NON-US crowd from participating. BUT - If it could be set up so part of a frame happens during Euro friendly hours and a diff part happens during US Friendly hours that might be do-able also.

We are trying to think outside the box when possible.

So please pass along any good ides you may have.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 26, 2004, 01:57:21 PM
Mul! Ah, another pactitioner of Hate-Kwon-Do appears.



Jordi. I'll try to get the preliminary write-up pulled together this week. It's already up to 7 pages ... but I usually put in a lot of commentary about why things are the way they are for the benefit of everyone involved.

These kinds of events only can happen once or twice a year - due to the time they demand by all concerned, the scheduling issues, and the emotional toll they take (and this one will cause some uclers). So if we had to wait until Fall or early Winter to get it scheduled the right way that's fine.

Ideally it'd be 3 missions a week for 3 weeks. The mission time I'm shooting for is about 4 hours max.
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Post by: Dux on July 26, 2004, 02:04:16 PM
Hiya DoK,
    When you're ready to start thinking about getting a terrain done for that scenario, I'm the one you should talk to. :)
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Post by: Naso on July 26, 2004, 02:39:14 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
These kinds of events only can happen once or twice a year - due to the time they demand by all concerned, the scheduling issues, and the emotional toll they take (and this one will cause some uclers).


<---- Here here

Any role, I volunteer.

:)
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Post by: ghostdancer on July 26, 2004, 02:39:32 PM
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Ideally it'd be 3 missions a week for 3 weeks. The mission time I'm shooting for is about 4 hours max.


My god .. another Big Week!

9 frames over 3 weeks and 4 hours a frame. That will be intense.
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Post by: RDSaustinTX on July 26, 2004, 02:55:09 PM
The only thing better than a DoK scenario is making Pangloss cry.
 
Pangloss is gone, so I'll settle.
 
Mullah
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Post by: DrDea on July 26, 2004, 03:38:07 PM
Dux Saves........................ ............:rofl

Man thats been awhile   Dux
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Post by: Seeker on July 26, 2004, 07:24:02 PM
Well; it sounds as if Dok has a plan in mind; which is cool......

But if you want a real war of attrition; one that suits transatlantic time zones; then why not model a week in 1944....

Dok; unlike AW; AH has both night; Lancs and night fighters.

The Yanks can play being 8th. airforce; and the Euro's can do Bomber command... in real time.


Crossbow; the day/night strike on Peenemunde springs to mind....
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 26, 2004, 07:26:54 PM
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Originally posted by Seeker
Well; it sounds as if Dok has a plan in mind; which is cool......

But if you want a real war of attrition; one that suits transatlantic time zones; then why not model a week in 1944....



What I have cooking is much meaner.
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Post by: culero on July 26, 2004, 07:31:47 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
No Hogs. Mostly the Allies will have .303's and only 4 .50's.


Hmmmm.....Singapore?

No matter. Just keep in mind how tuff a Ju88 is in AH, they won't "POP" like a Betty oughta.

culero
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 26, 2004, 07:34:53 PM
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Hmmmm.....Singapore?

No matter. Just keep in mind how tuff a Ju88 is in AH, they won't "POP" like a Betty oughta.

culero


Close ... right time period and part of the world.

Yes ... I've adjusted the number of bombers to take the armor of a 88 into account. But the 88 is the slowest, worst gunned bomber to work with ... and Vals and Kates are Navy planes.
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Post by: Lizking on July 26, 2004, 07:39:25 PM
B-26 could stand in for the Betty, too.  Man, I love a good betty flight.

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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 26, 2004, 07:48:01 PM
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B-26 could stand in for the Betty, too.  Man, I love a good betty flight.

http://www.lizking.com/111999.gif


B26 is way too well gunned - hell, it has more .50's in its nose than the planes that'll be trying to shoot it down.

Ki-67 is too fast.

Only other option would be something like a Kate - but the bombers should have two engines as it's going to be a pretty long flight home. With a single-engine bomber all the Allies need to do is get the engine smoking and that's as good as a kill.
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Post by: Guppy35 on July 26, 2004, 08:02:13 PM
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Close ... right time period and part of the world.

Yes ... I've adjusted the number of bombers to take the armor of a 88 into account. But the 88 is the slowest, worst gunned bomber to work with ... and Vals and Kates are Navy planes.


Now you have the curiousity going.  Java? Sumatra? Ceylon? Burma?

The Brits have a carrier they lost?

This map look familiar? :)

Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1090890024_malaya.jpg)
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 26, 2004, 08:09:40 PM
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Now you have the curiousity going.  Java? Sumatra? Ceylon? Burma?

 


Well hell. You're close.

Rangoon.

This'll be quasi-historic ... a bit of a "what if" but still pretty close to what went on.

So it'll be a mix of RAF, AVG, and ANZAC vs. many, many Zeros. Yes, this means that the IJA will have better turning and better gunned planes than the Allies.
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Post by: Arlo on July 26, 2004, 08:10:48 PM
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Yes, this means that the IJA will have better turning and better gunned planes than the Allies.


Well that kinda sucks, eh? :D
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Post by: culero on July 26, 2004, 08:18:44 PM
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Well hell. You're close.

Rangoon.

This'll be quasi-historic ... a bit of a "what if" but still pretty close to what went on.

So it'll be a mix of RAF, AVG, and ANZAC vs. many, many Zeros. Yes, this means that the IJA will have better turning and better gunned planes than the Allies.


As it should be, kewl.

I did a Singapore setup once, found out what a Wildebeest is (LMAO what a turkey :))

There at the last in AW3 we got an expanded cm command set that included plane-specific leth and tuff settings. Too bad ya don't have that here, you could de-tuff that 88 just rite.

culero
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Post by: Guppy35 on July 26, 2004, 08:18:45 PM
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Well hell. You're close.

Rangoon.

This'll be quasi-historic ... a bit of a "what if" but still pretty close to what went on.

So it'll be a mix of RAF, AVG, and ANZAC vs. many, many Zeros. Yes, this means that the IJA will have better turning and better gunned planes than the Allies.


P40B,E, Hurri I, II,  Wildcat = Buffalo?  Going to have something to fill in for Blenheims, or Hudsons?

Not really asking for all the answers since I know you are working on it, just thinking out loud so to speak

A Minnesota man who flew in the B of B with the RAF and then in the Far East in RAF Hurri's wrote a book called "Last Flight from Singapore" that talks alot about that time, so it's always fascinated me.


Good luck with it.  

Dan/Slack
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Post by: culero on July 26, 2004, 08:20:11 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
No Hogs. Mostly the Allies will have .303's and only 4 .50's.


Oh BTW, Tex pointed out I was wrong here, we didn't have Hogs in that event, it musta been a Hellcat.

culero
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 26, 2004, 08:24:42 PM
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Well that kinda sucks, eh? :D


And, actually, the Zeke is as fast or faster than much of what the Allies will have up - at least in level flight.
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 26, 2004, 09:04:28 PM
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Rangoon.


OK, Since DoK's events always have sub-titles... I ponder...

The Battle For Rangoon - "Hold the Crabs Please"    ???

:D

-W
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 26, 2004, 09:11:12 PM
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OK, Since DoK's events always have sub-titles... I ponder...

The Battle For Rangoon - "Hold the Crabs Please"    ???

:D

-W


Rangoon '42 -- "The Sum Of All Hate"
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 26, 2004, 09:15:26 PM
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Rangoon '42 -- "The Sum Of All Hate"



I like yours better.... I just think about food too much.  :)

-W
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Post by: Arlo on July 26, 2004, 09:25:02 PM
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And, actually, the Zeke is as fast or faster than much of what the Allies will have up - at least in level flight.


OK ... so .. what yer sayin' is .... this is a scenario designed to punish the allied players. Gotcha. :D
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 26, 2004, 09:34:41 PM
For Arlo:

Stop baiting the poor man so he can get the work done!

For Dan:

Good job dood! We have "the vision" *and* the title.

For Dok:

Tough room this is turning out to be.  

-W
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: DoKGonZo on July 26, 2004, 09:40:36 PM
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Originally posted by Arlo
OK ... so .. what yer sayin' is .... this is a scenario designed to punish the allied players. Gotcha. :D


No. Not at all.

When the US encountered the Zeke in '42 it was a terror because the US planes at the time weren't as fast as the later F6F and F4U. They had to attack, dive away, and attack again. The British in the CBI theatre found the same thing flying the Spit and Hurri. But the British did very well once they adapted their techniques.

All this really means is the Allies won't be able to get away with winning by just getting 1 squadron of Hogs in on the bombers. They'll have to coordinate multiple squadrons; they'll need to disrupt fighter cover far from the target zone; and sometimes they may have to settle for hitting the bombers on their way home when it's "too late" - just so they can't attack the next "day."
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Lizking on July 26, 2004, 09:58:32 PM
Don't go throwing Spits in there!  Looks like about 8 P40s and this:

26 Jan-30 Mar 1942 - The Japanese advance through the Far East. By the end of January, the RAF and other British and allied forces had withdrawn from Malaya and Singapore to Sumatra. Two weeks later, the enemy captured Palembang airfield in Sumatra destroying 39 Hurricanes in the process. By 18 February, the Allies had evacuated to Java. RAF aircraft in the area had been reduced to 18 serviceable Hurricane fighters, 12 Hudson, 6 Blenheim and four Vildebeest bombers. On 3 March, Allied forces began evacuating Java; those that remained capitulated the next day. In Burma, Japanese forces entered Rangoon on 8 March forcing the remaining RAF Hurricanes and Blenheims to move north.

VS all those IJAAF planes(no betties, either).
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: DoKGonZo on July 26, 2004, 10:09:17 PM
This is a quasi-"what if" event. The AVG I believe had more than 8 P-40's - they made quite a dent as I recall. But for our purposes we're going to shake things up.

As far as I recall, the IJA were deploying older twin-engined bombers against Rangoon (a Ki-something-or-other). About the only thing slower and worse armored than the Ju-88 in AH is the C47 - and that'd just be silly to use as a bomber.
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 26, 2004, 10:10:27 PM
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Originally posted by culero
Hmmmm.....Singapore?

No matter. Just keep in mind how tuff a Ju88 is in AH, they won't "POP" like a Betty oughta.

culero


Doesn't AH have a generic "buff-tuff" type setting though?

If the IJN is gonna have all the bombers (supposition here) then a generic bomber tuffness setting might do the trick??

My thought is that a lot of people might come out of the woodwork for this... and us buff drivers need a ride too.

I understand *why* limiting the buff count is important due to the toughness, but what if that could be "fixed" ??

-W
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Lizking on July 26, 2004, 10:46:46 PM
Yeah, I looked through the AH inventory, the Boston III looks like that Japanese bomber, but it is too fast and too armed.  Better to stick to Vals and Kates, they will be close to what iwas there and available(in AH).

That was always my least favorite thing about doing setups-there is never a complete set of planes.  At least now they can be skinned correctly.

One Squad of AVG was there, no idea how many planes.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: AW=B17= on July 26, 2004, 10:49:59 PM
He's right that you need a twin engined bomber - or smoking one is as good as killing one.

So you re-skin the JU-88 and see (at least try and ask)  if someone can't make them paper thin for the event.  

-W
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 26, 2004, 10:57:52 PM
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Originally posted by AW=B17=
He's right that you need a twin engined bomber - or smoking one is as good as killing one.

So you re-skin the JU-88 and see (at least try and ask)  if someone can't make them paper thin for the event.  

-W


Hey ... Spit I's and Hurri I's did quite a number on Ju-88's during the Battle of Britain. I don't think it'll be all that lopsided using 88's. It just won't be like a late-war event where a flight of 190's can wipe out the entire bomber stream in one pass.

Oh ... and this event isn't "Atkins Approved" ... some of the planes have carb's.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Lizking on July 26, 2004, 11:14:10 PM
Here we go, now I am finding some info.  On Dec 23, 1941, the IJ hit Rangoon for the first time.  1 squadron of Ki27's hit the town(numbers unknown) and the airbase, getting 5 of 15 RAF aircraft and 4 of 12 AVG fighters. There were Hurries, Buffalos and the random bombers.   IJ bombers hit the port, simultaneously.  The bombers were: Ki31, Ki21 and Ki48, numbers unknown, 1 squadron of each.

"at no time did the defenders(Allies) forces have more than about 20% of the air strength opposing them"


Info from Aircam aviation series, Ki48 and Ki27.
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Post by: Lizking on July 26, 2004, 11:20:51 PM
In late march, it came to an end as 4 fighter regiments, flying Ki27 and Ki43 with over 200 plane moved into Burma, Allied forces were concentrated at magwe, and in one massive raid the IJ wiped them out as an effective force.

Before then, I assume in Feb-March, the Allies flew bomber raids on IJ airfields in Thailand destroying them on the ground, and also accounted for a conservative 120 Japanese airplanes in the air.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Lizking on July 26, 2004, 11:31:01 PM
Here is a good read from one who was there:

http://www.warbirdforum.com/neale.htm
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: DoKGonZo on July 26, 2004, 11:32:14 PM
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Originally posted by Lizking
Yeah, I looked through the AH inventory, the Boston III looks like that Japanese bomber, but it is too fast and too armed.  Better to stick to Vals and Kates, they will be close to what iwas there and available(in AH).

That was always my least favorite thing about doing setups-there is never a complete set of planes.  At least now they can be skinned correctly.

One Squad of AVG was there, no idea how many planes.


I recently saw a special on the AVG on the History Channel (which is what gave me the idea for this). At first there was one sqdn, then they sent a second group for a little while - before withdrawing everything back to China because their fields at Kunming got hit while they were detached to the South.

The Boston III will be a stand-on for the Blenheim for the Allies. But it's role will be pretty interesting.

I don't want to reveal everything until the CM staff and I can confer and get things nailed down. It's half historic, and half "what-if" - what is depicted starts from what really happened and projects a different next step by both sides.

The only other thing I'll say is that these will be much more complex and difficult missions to fly than it sounds on the surface. And I kind of like the fact that it'll be taking more than a squirt of 20mm to kill a bomber - it was a big deal back then to down a bomber. It should take several missions before the bombers get to get worn down in strength - that's how it really was.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: DoKGonZo on July 26, 2004, 11:34:57 PM
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Originally posted by Lizking
Here is a good read from one who was there:

http://www.warbirdforum.com/neale.htm


Hmmmm ... looks like I need to drop the cruising altitudes a little.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: senna on July 26, 2004, 11:36:13 PM
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Originally posted by Lizking
In late march, it came to an end as 4 fighter regiments, flying Ki27 and Ki43 with over 200 plane moved into Burma, Allied forces were concentrated at magwe, and in one massive raid the IJ wiped them out as an effective force.

Before then, I assume in Feb-March, the Allies flew bomber raids on IJ airfields in Thailand destroying them on the ground, and also accounted for a conservative 120 Japanese airplanes in the air.


That was before they decided to disperse their aircraft. The airfield at Rangoon was bombed to smithereens. They eventually build auxilliary fields and used new field strategies and continued. Not too many Ki-43s yet at that time. I believe only one squadron in that arena at that time.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Lizking on July 26, 2004, 11:38:34 PM
It is sounding good, I may have to reactivate.
Title: Baahhh Humbug!!
Post by: DOODY on July 26, 2004, 11:56:22 PM
So it comes to this...

I leave you guys to your own devices for a few months and you haggle over zekes!!!


Yes.. I have returned to bring you light and wisdom.  Pay attention.. I don't want to have to shoot u down again!

Q: Why are you still alive?
A: Because DOODY retired

Q: Why did DOODY retire?
A: It's lonely at the top!, Had to find something else to dominate.

Q: Where's my DOODY Action Figure?
A: check your 6!

Q: Where are you now DOODY?
A: was in Starwars Galaxies, now in Planetside, soon to be in WWIIonline

Q: Why don't you play Aces High?
A: honestly? The flight model is cool, by far the best around IMO.. but the terrain!! OMFG!! I just cant take it! now I don't mean the actual terrain worlds some of the guys like nuttz created. he and the others did a fine job with what they have avail... I mean the overall mechanics and features in the 3d world.  I know its asking a lot for a new 3d world... but DAYUM!!! everyone else is doing it!! 2.The Planes are too slow!! I mean the actual motion sim speed. they should really turn up the sim speed across the board. 3.No one talks smack!! WTF is up with that!!! I dont mean those loud mouth DOODYwannabe's.. I mean you typically pleasant witty guys that used to get a woody when ever you happened to be close enough tothe action to take credit for an Assist on a DOODYKILL. < I can see you grin> ;)
In AH, all you get is " WWWWwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaahhh"

Smooch's! XXX/000

I'm a 60 terabyte Neuronetworked Double Back Flip off the high dive!

Don't mess with the DOO, or he'll get all over you!!

and of course!! Everybody's got a lil' DOODY in em!!

!!MOST-WANTED!!
Airwarrior's Premier Tactical Fighter Squadron! BAR-NONE!

>> Do Some'thin!:rofl
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Post by: NUKE on July 26, 2004, 11:59:33 PM
wow, that reminds me of how little I miss doody.

doody was supposed to be good or something?
Title: Re: Baahhh Humbug!!
Post by: Vulcan on July 27, 2004, 12:15:58 AM
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Originally posted by DOODY
!!MOST-WANTED!!
Airwarrior's Premier Tactical Fighter Squadron! BAR-NONE!


Ummm if you're heading to WW2OL and you're looking for MW guys theres a whole pile of em in 3rd Panzer, we've been playing together for over a year now (squaddies that is) and just realized who each other was ("you're MW dweebs from AH?" - "you're that alt-monkey dweeb from AH?").

At least I think the MW dweebs in WW2OL that were in Ah are the ones from AW.


http://www.3rdpanzer.net is the website
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Post by: DrDea on July 27, 2004, 12:26:27 AM
That just sounds like bull doody to me
Title: Re: Baahhh Humbug!!
Post by: Brooke on July 27, 2004, 02:55:16 AM
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Originally posted by DOODY
...2.The Planes are too slow!! I mean the actual motion sim speed. they should really turn up the sim speed across the board....


Up the sim speed?  Now, there's an idea.  In fact, maybe they could make AH to be more like Quake!  Think of it!  Instaspawn -- after you die, you instantly spawn in-flight into the nearest permafurball.  Up the sim speed (like you say) -- a few seconds for a complete 360 ought to be great.  In fact, maybe all planes should be like the Me163, only with lots and lots of fuel (and a much faster turning rate, of course, still 3 seconds for a 360 sounds about right).  In-flight health and ammo nuggets -- like health and ammo in Quake.  Oh, and lots and lots of ammo to start with -- so that you can hold down the trigger from the time you instaspawn into the permafurball until the time you get fragged, like 10-20 seconds later because the permafurball should be pretty much solid tracers and shells everywhere.  Now, there needs to be something like jumping in Quake -- you know, something totally unrealistic but that works great defensively in the game.  Hmm.  Maybe the space bar key could be like an instawarp, so once every second or so, you could make the plane pop up and down.  Man, this is great stuff!  Just the sort of thing to spice up this dull "flight sim" with its boring "realism" so that it can appeal to a wider demographic, such as the 9-12 year old attention-deficit-disorder group.  I'm so excited, I think I doodied in my pants!
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Naso on July 27, 2004, 02:59:31 AM
OH!

The smell !!!!

:rofl
Title: Re: Baahhh Humbug!!
Post by: NUKE on July 27, 2004, 03:00:54 AM
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Originally posted by DOODY

Q: Why don't you play Aces High?
A: honestly? The flight model is cool, by far the best around IMO.. but the terrain!! OMFG!! I just cant take it! now I don't mean the actual terrain worlds some of the guys like nuttz created. he and the others did a fine job with what they have avail... I mean the overall mechanics and features in the 3d world.  


Not that anyone gives a rat's bellybutton if you play AH, but those quotes are funny.

You played AW with less than half the graphics, terrain and flight model that AH has. My guess is that you can't handle the FM and gunnery in AH.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: GreenCloud on July 27, 2004, 03:14:34 AM
I agree..Doody is crap..and cant get  akill in  the New FM and gunnery...


i know..Buck up little camper..youll be getting out of those diapers in no time


urb was telln me the other day he missed shootn him down to talk smaq


we do need more comedians though...shane cant be there all the time...he called them "base bunnies " yesterday..there was about a dozen rooks who woulndt leave there ak:  )..lmfao..makes me laff now



Love
BiGB
xoxo


BGBMAW
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Post by: NUKE on July 27, 2004, 03:19:09 AM
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
I agree..Doody is crap..


no pun intended? hehe
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Arlo on July 27, 2004, 05:34:40 AM
I'm Doody's pimp so if you want some you gotta pay me. It's really cheap though. :D
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Post by: Dead Man Flying on July 27, 2004, 08:48:42 AM
This thread came dangerously close to slipping off the front page.  It's a good thing I'm paying attention, ya slackers.

-- Todd/Leviathn
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Post by: Airhead on July 27, 2004, 09:32:53 AM
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Originally posted by NUKE


doody was supposed to be good or something?


Not that I remember, Nuke. He wasn't as bad as AWBrat, but he still sucked and he was the guy I seeked out whenever I wanted a few kills- I would have seeked out Brat, but those climbs to 35k just took too long.
;)
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Post by: HUN on July 27, 2004, 09:51:21 AM
(http://www.ogmoreriver.com/images/fisherman_boat.gif)

LOL, Hi Doody :D
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Post by: Dead Man Flying on July 27, 2004, 09:56:23 AM
Who's Doody?

-- Todd/Leviathn
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Post by: Airhead on July 27, 2004, 10:18:43 AM
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Who's Doody?

-- Todd/Leviathn


He was CO of a RR AW Squad that won a few Camps due mostly to large numbers. He used to print out Camp final scores, frame them and display them on his walls.

He's a real piece of work- I'm glad he hasn't settled here. Don't know why he posted here tho- maybe he's decided to become the Thread Tool since SLO shut up.
;)
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Post by: Rude on July 27, 2004, 10:28:28 AM
Well....I read the whole thing.

There are three people who know the real story behind the TAS thingie....Paul Hinds, Mike Hobus and myself....I was right there in the middle between two friends....one remains my friend, the other is a lost cause.

I feel no need to discuss the details of what really happened....the postings in this thread are close enough to convey the jist of it all.

Of all that I read, the most accurate appraisal of Voss and all of his antics was presented by Lazs....it's not what he did or said or pretended to be....that is fairly simple to understand. It is his lack of remorse and his refusal to stand down.

I could tell you all many things, none of which would serve any of us. The fact of the matter is this....Voss is a lonely and unhappy man who never achieved what he had hoped to in his life. He took advantage of those around him who really tried to help and the worst part of it all is this....he remains unrepentent and lacks the humility to simply say I'm sorry.

I spoke to Mike (Doom) yesterday and he will be reading this work of art....don't feel too sorry for him....he's a happy man who always found the best side of all of this silliness....make sure to say hi and welcome him to our little world.

Cyas Up
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 27, 2004, 02:50:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Airhead

He was CO of a RR AW Squad that won a few Camps due mostly to large numbers. He used to print out Camp final scores, frame them and display them on his walls.


Yanno, what "bothered" me at the AW CON's was some of the RR types that would just sit there and fly, and fly, and FLY - all day, all night.

Some of them didn't even stop long enough to DRINK, and barely attended some of the special events. They seemed almost unnaware of the community or the "alpha-community".

I wondered (aloud sometimes) why they didn't just stay home and fly......  ??

-W
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Edbert on July 27, 2004, 02:59:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AW=B17=
Yanno, what "bothered" me at the AW CON's was some of the RR types that would just sit there and fly, and fly, and FLY - all day, all night.

Some of them didn't even stop long enough to DRINK, and barely attended some of the special events. They seemed almost unnaware of the community or the "alpha-community".

I wondered (aloud sometimes) why they didn't just stay home and fly......  ??

-W


At the WB cons in 96 and 97 many folks took advantage of the free flight time. This was back when we had $200+ per month bills though. Didn't mean we didn't drink though :D
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: GtoRA2 on July 27, 2004, 03:13:54 PM
Without going back say 4 pages, did Arlo post anymore funny pics?

Did the dingleberries defending Voss figure out it was not worth it?


Is this going to hit 2000?????
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Grits on July 27, 2004, 03:29:42 PM
Yes.

Yes.

Maybe.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Airhead on July 27, 2004, 04:14:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AW=B17=
Yanno, what "bothered" me at the AW CON's was some of the RR types that would just sit there and fly, and fly, and FLY - all day, all night.

Some of them didn't even stop long enough to DRINK, and barely attended some of the special events. They seemed almost unnaware of the community or the "alpha-community".

I wondered (aloud sometimes) why they didn't just stay home and fly......  ??

-W


Oh really? Well, as a former RR dweeb do yanno what bothered ME? It was the FR guys and their smug, superior attitude that if the FM was correct all they needed was an icepack under their balls to get the complete sensation of actually flying at 25k.

And the WORST part of AW was all the FR scenario guys trying to recruit RR pilots into participating in them. I signed up as a tail gunner on a B-17 once and after about fifteen minutes into the flight I decided to check my e-mails and BOOM, we got shot down.

What kind of crap is that? :confused:

I damn near went to Fighter Ace.
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Post by: midnight Target on July 27, 2004, 04:33:13 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rude
Well....I read the whole thing.

There are three people who know the real story behind the TAS thingie....Paul Hinds, Mike Hobus and myself....I was right there in the middle between two friends....one remains my friend, the other is a lost cause.

I feel no need to discuss the details of what really happened....the postings in this thread are close enough to convey the jist of it all.

Of all that I read, the most accurate appraisal of Voss and all of his antics was presented by Lazs....it's not what he did or said or pretended to be....that is fairly simple to understand. It is his lack of remorse and his refusal to stand down.

I could tell you all many things, none of which would serve any of us. The fact of the matter is this....Voss is a lonely and unhappy man who never achieved what he had hoped to in his life. He took advantage of those around him who really tried to help and the worst part of it all is this....he remains unrepentent and lacks the humility to simply say I'm sorry.

I spoke to Mike (Doom) yesterday and he will be reading this work of art....don't feel too sorry for him....he's a happy man who always found the best side of all of this silliness....make sure to say hi and welcome him to our little world.

Cyas Up



WHAT??? You had intimate knowledge of this whole story and it never came up in an entire evening of BBQ debauchery? You bastage!
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Post by: Rude on July 27, 2004, 04:44:37 PM
Sorry MT...prolly had something to do with not ruining our appetites.
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Post by: Redd on July 27, 2004, 05:47:28 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Rude
Well....I read the whole thing.

There are three people who know the real story behind the TAS thingie....Paul Hinds, Mike Hobus and myself....I was right there in the middle between two friends....one remains my friend, the other is a lost cause.

I feel no need to discuss the details of what really happened....the postings in this thread are close enough to convey the jist of it all.

Of all that I read, the most accurate appraisal of Voss and all of his antics was presented by Lazs....it's not what he did or said or pretended to be....that is fairly simple to understand. It is his lack of remorse and his refusal to stand down.

I could tell you all many things, none of which would serve any of us. The fact of the matter is this....Voss is a lonely and unhappy man who never achieved what he had hoped to in his life. He took advantage of those around him who really tried to help and the worst part of it all is this....he remains unrepentent and lacks the humility to simply say I'm sorry.

I spoke to Mike (Doom) yesterday and he will be reading this work of art....don't feel too sorry for him....he's a happy man who always found the best side of all of this silliness....make sure to say hi and welcome him to our little world.

Cyas Up




I remember Doom and docDoom having some "discussions" over that handle in WB that were pretty funny.

It's almost an odd coincidence that there's a Doom flying in the Hornet's as Voss's squaddie.
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Post by: Ack-Ack on July 27, 2004, 06:41:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Redd


It's almost an odd coincidence that there's a Doom flying in the Hornet's as Voss's squaddie.



Different guy.  Doom in the Hornets used to be known as the <.U.> The Vowel of Doom.


ack-ack
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Post by: culero on July 27, 2004, 09:09:40 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Who's Doody?

-- Todd/Leviathn


Remember Chi? Similar personality, just RR-centric :)

culero
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Post by: NHattila on July 27, 2004, 09:24:33 PM
c'mon guys, lets get this one to 2000. get busy. arlo, more pics.

what's the record for number of posts in a thread?
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 27, 2004, 09:57:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by NHattila
c'mon guys, lets get this one to 2000. get busy. arlo, more pics.

what's the record for number of posts in a thread?


I think this is already the all time winner.

The previous winner was "Why the Betties Died" and it's numbers were cumlulative across three different boards.

I bet Westy knows the answer for sure.

-W
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Post by: Dead Man Flying on July 27, 2004, 09:59:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by culero
Remember Chi? Similar personality, just RR-centric :)


Did you know that Chi plays AH2?

-- Todd/Leviathn
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 27, 2004, 10:01:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Airhead
I signed up as a tail gunner on a B-17 once and after about fifteen minutes into the flight I decided to check my e-mails and BOOM, we got shot down.

What kind of crap is that? :confused:


It's yet another tale of an RR tail gunner that got bored on climb-out, derelicted his sworn Doody (tm), and caused the loss of his airplane and all hands aboard - because he was asleep at the switch.

There ya go......  mystery solved.

-W
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Post by: DrDea on July 27, 2004, 10:07:01 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AW=B17=
Yanno, what "bothered" me at the AW CON's was some of the RR types that would just sit there and fly, and fly, and FLY - all day, all night.

Some of them didn't even stop long enough to DRINK, and barely attended some of the special events. They seemed almost unnaware of the community or the "alpha-community".


-W


  I brought a bottle of Yagermiester to the 2000 con and gave shots to all that wnated it till the bottle ran dry.Course I got my shot first:D
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Post by: DrDea on July 27, 2004, 10:09:05 PM
Quote
Originally posted by NHattila
c'mon guys, lets get this one to 2000. get busy. arlo, more pics.

what's the record for number of posts in a thread?


  Check all VOSS threads.Then kick his scumbag bellybutton out of your squad.Otherwise be concidered Birds of a feather.
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Post by: rod367th on July 27, 2004, 11:02:07 PM
It doesn't surprise me, That hornets were on voss side in this post. They knew he was VOSS. One of the hornets left thier squad wanted to join the 367th.  MDM comes in our squad and tell's entire squad metatron is VOSS. Well MDM last 2 days in our squad before some of us ask that he be thrown out.  



 2nd point 418 hornets have guys killing shade accounts, and When 1 does it and CO is told about it and BUSHER says hell I don't care i'm leaving ah soon anyway. Then you can see why they keep VOSS aka metatron.

    Voss is funny think he knows alot and will try to point out small details too try to shift thoughts.



  Lastly It is probally my fault Jaxxo posted. I always told squadies that Voss seem okay as far as I could tell. and living in Missouri Show me state I didn't take it to heart. But now after google searchs and other info guess my money is on HE did it .


VOSS please watch below  its time

  (http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/79_1089079375_jln_010_nomoreexcuses.gif)
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Post by: Arlo on July 28, 2004, 01:33:38 AM
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Post by: culero on July 28, 2004, 04:22:11 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Did you know that Chi plays AH2?

-- Todd/Leviathn


Hell yeah, how could I miss him? Trash talker experten are one of my favorite parts of the game (just like at AW), they add entertainment value (as opposed to the people who are simply POed and venting).

culero
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Post by: seabat on July 28, 2004, 09:29:48 AM
I have a vague recollection of someone with the name of pbear (?) who use to post on Bigweek right before I stopped following that site.

Wasnt he the one that caused BW to switch from open to password back then?

Just wondering since "infamous" people are being mentioned.
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 28, 2004, 09:42:27 AM
Quote
Originally posted by rod367th
It doesn't surprise me


  Jeez, I wonder why.
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Post by: afool on July 28, 2004, 10:15:09 AM
Quote
Originally posted by seabat
I have a vague recollection of someone with the name of pbear (?) who use to post on Bigweek right before I stopped following that site.

Wasnt he the one that caused BW to switch from open to password back then?

Just wondering since "infamous" people are being mentioned.


nope....
you are confusing two differant people.

afool

I lurk, therefore, i might be
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Post by: afool on July 28, 2004, 10:30:43 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Airhead
Oh really? Well, as a former RR dweeb do yanno what bothered ME? It was the FR guys and their smug, superior attitude that if the FM was correct all they needed was an icepack under their balls to get the complete sensation of actually flying at 25k.

And the WORST part of AW was all the FR scenario guys trying to recruit RR pilots into participating in them. I signed up as a tail gunner on a B-17 once and after about fifteen minutes into the flight I decided to check my e-mails and BOOM, we got shot down.

What kind of crap is that? :confused:

I damn near went to Fighter Ace.



I remember my first scenario, unknow walk-on, new to FR.
I was put in a P-38, given 2 RR guys to lead and waypoints Told not to loose these planes, as they are needed in the next frame. Waypoint took us well away from the action (the opposite direction), after a 1 hour and 15 minutes both RR guys bailed. I landed 15 minutes short of end frame.

It was a long time before I attempted another scenario.

afool

i lurk, therefore, i might be
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Post by: Brat on July 28, 2004, 02:26:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Airhead
Not that I remember, Nuke. He wasn't as bad as AWBrat, but he still sucked and he was the guy I seeked out whenever I wanted a few kills- I would have seeked out Brat, but those climbs to 35k just took too long.
;)


ROFL...Doody was quite possibly the WORST player in the game...

No idea who you are Airhead...but I never ever had the patience to climb to 35k in either RR or FR...also...there was never an AWBrat...just a Brat and a +Brat...

I think you might have me confused with an "Oldmn" when discussing high altitude retardness...let it go...move on...no need to be bitter after all these years..
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Post by: NUTTZ on July 28, 2004, 05:36:41 PM
DoK, I'd be more than happy to design your terrain. Just post a rough sketch.

NUTTZ
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Coolness.

Yeah, I'm serious. I have most of the basic structure figured out for this event already.  I'll try to get it firmed up this week with a list of open issues you guys no doubt know the answers to.

Not sure it'd need a custom terrain - maybe take an existing one and move around a few fields and pile some extra buildings onto one city. Add a few stationery water targets at a port.
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Post by: NUTTZ on July 28, 2004, 06:39:41 PM
BOOOYAHHHHH!!!
(http://mysite.verizon.net/vze89ceb/AWCON.jpg)

NUTTZ
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Post by: culero on July 28, 2004, 08:09:43 PM
Quote
Originally posted by NUTTZ
DoK, I'd be more than happy to design your terrain. Just post a rough sketch.

NUTTZ


Take him up on it, NUTTZ is teh bomb.

culero
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 28, 2004, 09:34:09 PM
Quote
Originally posted by culero
Take him up on it, NUTTZ is teh bomb.

culero


I know ... he started helping me with a terrain design years ago ... the CM dudes and I are still working through the scheduling details, and I'm pulling together a microsite to hold all the stuff we'll need to run this beast.
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Post by: NUTTZ on July 28, 2004, 09:38:47 PM
yes, That map was done sometime ago. Then you dropped from sight..still want it?

NUTTZ

Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I know ... he started helping me with a terrain design years ago ... the CM dudes and I are still working through the scheduling details, and I'm pulling together a microsite to hold all the stuff we'll need to run this beast.
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Post by: Octavius on July 28, 2004, 10:44:39 PM
Quote
Originally posted by culero
Hell yeah, how could I miss him? Trash talker experten are one of my favorite parts of the game (just like at AW), they add entertainment value (as opposed to the people who are simply POed and venting).

culero


huh?  Chi?  He sucks.  So does his 'trash talk'.  He's caught in the hamster wheel and cant get out.  Hell, he, like many others, still believe in a Chess Piece Master Race.  No one talks a good game of trash in AH as far as I know.  Shane... *maybe*... but I really haven't seen a good display.
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Post by: DrDea on July 28, 2004, 11:50:17 PM
Shane doesnt talk ****.Now SHAMUS.... Hes a trash talkin worldly worldly wise Hajo wanna be trash talker.Hajo rules the trash talk world.:rofl
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Post by: Arlo on July 29, 2004, 01:42:54 AM
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/voss02.jpg)
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Post by: culero on July 29, 2004, 05:26:44 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I know ... he started helping me with a terrain design years ago ... the CM dudes and I are still working through the scheduling details, and I'm pulling together a microsite to hold all the stuff we'll need to run this beast.


Just as a headsup, since I dunno how much you've paid attention to the scenarios here so far....

Ya might wanna factor in, when yer cooking up OoB numbers, that the scenario community here has a pretty small hard core, relative to the numbers you see in the arenas. Plus, the norm here seems to be to cater to the attention-deficit crowd when scheduling, 4 frame events with one-a-week frames being the norm.

I agree with you that longer events are more immersive, in that they allow teams to mature within the event. I'm just guessing that you'll see a significant dropoff in numbers after the first few frames, as per the norm here.

culero
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Post by: Octavius on July 29, 2004, 11:24:59 AM
Hey you sunza*****es.  It's off the first page.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 29, 2004, 12:17:47 PM
Quote
Originally posted by culero
Just as a headsup, since I dunno how much you've paid attention to the scenarios here so far....

Ya might wanna factor in, when yer cooking up OoB numbers, that the scenario community here has a pretty small hard core, relative to the numbers you see in the arenas. Plus, the norm here seems to be to cater to the attention-deficit crowd when scheduling, 4 frame events with one-a-week frames being the norm.
 


Yes, we've discussed this already.

The counter-balance is that (a) a lot of geezers are coming out of the woodwork for this event, (b) this is the first event I've run in about 7 years and who knows when the next will be, and (c) if the geezers end up being squad leaders, I'm hoping the other players are smart enough not to piss 'em off by bailing in the event.
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Post by: jordi on July 29, 2004, 04:53:47 PM
We are working on some creative solutions.

:)
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Post by: Mini D on July 29, 2004, 05:07:05 PM
Only a moron posts in a thread just to hit a meaningless thread count milestone.

1700
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Post by: Grits on July 29, 2004, 05:49:49 PM
You got a double, it went to another page too. :)
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Post by: SaburoS on July 29, 2004, 06:07:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Mini D
Only a moron posts in a thread just to hit a meaningless thread count milestone.

1700


LOL!! Good thing I wasn't drinking anything at the time or it'd be all over my monitor/keyboard!  :rofl
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 29, 2004, 06:14:34 PM
Quote
Originally posted by NUTTZ
yes, That map was done sometime ago. Then you dropped from sight..still want it?

NUTTZ


Like I know? I still think it's a great concept, I'm just not well enough in tune with the MA to know what needs to be done to make it useful there.

Anyway ... get me your email addy so I can get you involved in the Rangoon terrain discussion.
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Post by: Meatwad on July 30, 2004, 04:57:33 PM
Shoot this thread is slowing down. almost a day and no one posted (until now). At least get to 2000 posts!
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Post by: AW=B17= on July 30, 2004, 09:27:19 PM
Quote
Originally posted by jordi
We are working on some creative solutions.

:)



Mike,  I knew you would.....    :)


-W
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Post by: culero on July 30, 2004, 09:55:16 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Yes, we've discussed this already.

The counter-balance is that (a) a lot of geezers are coming out of the woodwork for this event, (b) this is the first event I've run in about 7 years and who knows when the next will be, and (c) if the geezers end up being squad leaders, I'm hoping the other players are smart enough not to piss 'em off by bailing in the event.


The problem is, there isn't a large enough hard core scenario group yet for there to be enough people who give a flying fark enough to care that they're pissing off somebody in this position.

I mentioned OoB in this context because its always seemed better to me to have rides be hard to get than empty. Looking at numbers for the past few scenarios then scaling to fit is kinda what I was suggesting.

Seeking out a couple of hard-chargers for COs who will put a lot of effort into communication and organizing would be a good idea, too.

culero
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 30, 2004, 10:00:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by culero
The problem is, there isn't a large enough hard core scenario group yet for there to be enough people who give a flying fark enough to care that they're pissing off somebody in this position.

I mentioned OoB in this context because its always seemed better to me to have rides be hard to get than empty. Looking at numbers for the past few scenarios then scaling to fit is kinda what I was suggesting.

Seeking out a couple of hard-chargers for COs who will put a lot of effort into communication and organizing would be a good idea, too.

culero


Worst case we scale down squadrons by 25% - I'd rather not see that happen.
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Post by: Gaylord on July 30, 2004, 10:03:00 PM
Did Voss ever mention how big his noodle is? I'll bet he was lying by at least twice if he did.
Everybody lies on the Internet.
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Post by: Arlo on July 30, 2004, 11:28:33 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Gaylord
Did Voss ever mention how big his noodle is? I'll bet he was lying by at least twice if he did.
Everybody lies on the Internet.


Ask Slo ... I bet he could tell ya.
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Post by: DrDea on July 31, 2004, 12:26:06 AM
Only the SLO knows what eivel lurks in the pants of Voss
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Post by: DoKGonZo on July 31, 2004, 12:33:21 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DrDea
Only the SLO knows what eivel lurks in the pants of Voss


Rumor has it that SLO makes Voss wear fleece chaps and hang a lamb chop around his neck.
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Post by: DrDea on July 31, 2004, 12:40:12 AM
Dok dok dok.Theres leather thongs involved too.Sheesh.You been outta the loop to long
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 31, 2004, 02:49:30 AM
OMFG! 1712 posts! sorry I was away since page 16 or 17 due to medical emergency in the family. Anybody give me the cliff notes since then?
Has voss been run outta town?
Will Slo find true love?
Has anyone found out why aunt martha was lying in a ditch outside town
Does Nash know his avatar has been cheating?
Will Hitech ever fix the cord to the server so skuzzy wont trip on it anymore?




Inquiring minds wanna know
can ya tell i've been watching alotta daytime tv at the hospital?
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Post by: WilldCrd on July 31, 2004, 02:50:08 AM
OMFG! 1712 posts! sorry I was away since page 16 or 17 due to medical emergency in the family. Anybody give me the cliff notes since then?
Has voss been run outta town?
Will Slo find true love?
Has anyone found out why aunt martha was lying in a ditch outside town
Does Nash know his avatar has been cheating?
Will Hitech ever fix the cord to the server so skuzzy wont trip on it anymore?




Inquiring minds wanna know
can ya tell i've been watching alotta daytime tv at the hospital?
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Post by: Jackal1 on July 31, 2004, 08:00:42 AM
Quote
Originally posted by WilldCrd
OMFG! 1712 posts! sorry I was away since page 16 or 17 due to medical emergency in the family. Anybody give me the cliff notes since then?
Has voss been run outta town?
Will Slo find true love?
Has anyone found out why aunt martha was lying in a ditch outside town
Does Nash know his avatar has been cheating?
Will Hitech ever fix the cord to the server so skuzzy wont trip on it anymore?

Inquiring minds wanna know
can ya tell i've been watching alotta daytime tv at the hospital?


  Don`t worry about  Martha. We just had a rough time at the annual VFW Tequila bash. She will crawl out of there in a couple of days. Never realized she was that limber.
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Post by: Meatwad on July 31, 2004, 10:46:35 PM
really surprised skuzzy hasnt pulled the cord on this one. guess he too amazed on low long the post is
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Post by: Meatwad on July 31, 2004, 10:46:36 PM
really surprised skuzzy hasnt pulled the cord on this one. guess he too amazed on low long the post is
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Post by: Sox62 on August 01, 2004, 03:18:07 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Meatwad
really surprised skuzzy hasnt pulled the cord on this one. guess he too amazed on low long the post is


LOL...accuse HiTech of stealing ideas from the skorpion king,and the thread will have a much longer life.
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Post by: WilldCrd on August 01, 2004, 03:30:58 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Meatwad
really surprised skuzzy hasnt pulled the cord on this one. guess he too amazed on low long the post is


theres a higher power than skuzzy riding shotgun on this one
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Post by: DrDea on August 01, 2004, 03:39:22 AM
Rgr that one.And I think he put his opinion on it quite plainly.:aok
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Post by: GtoRA2 on August 01, 2004, 04:26:03 AM
Yeah anyone who does not know why this thread is still around, after reading needs a clue.  



A big one!

:aok :aok :aok :D :D :D
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Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on August 01, 2004, 08:21:47 AM
I'm sure there are lurkers waiting, one with a clue rake, the other with a clue by four. If not, their cohorts have those implements and are ready and willing to apply them.
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Post by: Arlo on August 01, 2004, 09:27:44 AM
I think everyone should read this thread from beginning to end and then post that they don't get it and wonder why this thread is still active thereby keeping it active.
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Post by: airbumba on August 01, 2004, 11:42:14 AM
I think this thread should be standard reading in Psych 101.
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Post by: DrDea on August 01, 2004, 12:53:50 PM
LOL  Clue by four.Thats priceless.....
   "Well I didnt read the whole thread,but I cant understand HT not locking this.....":rolleyes:
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Post by: Meatwad on August 01, 2004, 10:29:49 PM
HT still in shock over how many posts there be here
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Post by: Toad on August 01, 2004, 10:32:55 PM
I read this thread from beginning to end; I still don't get it. I mean, I wonder why this thread is still active; anyone have that same thought?
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Post by: Lizking on August 01, 2004, 10:48:47 PM
Because **** floats?
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Post by: Sox62 on August 01, 2004, 10:49:26 PM
Toad...it is because Voss still exists.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 02, 2004, 12:14:08 AM
Cuz' Voss gives good SLO jobs.
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Post by: DrDea on August 02, 2004, 08:26:40 AM
Ive seen 3 diffrent spellings of Haywood Jablomi on Call of Duty.Sheesh:lol
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Post by: Westy on August 02, 2004, 08:29:29 AM
Cause......   it's a bonified 120% more entertaining and interesting than the predominantly politically orientated dreck in this OT forum.   :)


 Heya Wayne!   NH to SC?  Who in the world did you piss off? ;)  

 Hajo! I'm always glad to see you. I hope all is well in your corner of the world for you and yours.


 And the silver lining to this whole outrageous topic? A new DoK inspired scenario.  I am definitely buying  tickets to this event.  Especially given the time frame and theater being used.



(lol Brat.  "Kill Westy"  ??  ')  I'll buy you lunch if you can shoot me down in this scenario)
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Post by: Jackal1 on August 02, 2004, 09:40:34 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Toad
I mean, I wonder why this thread is still active; anyone have that same thought?


No. Alex can Toad buy a clue?
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Post by: AWmoggy on August 02, 2004, 11:14:19 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Quarters
(blank stare)
(shrug)

Doesn't ring a bell.


ditto - never heard of them.  Remember, though, we had umpteen arenas at one point - they may have dominated one of the many RRETO or RRPAC arenas without making a dent on the community as a whole.

Hiya Nutz - yeah, still have the stang (4.6, not 5.0 - 1998).  It's for sale, btw.  

-moggy
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Post by: DrDea on August 02, 2004, 11:20:06 AM
As HT pointed out with a quote from voss  previously,the reason behind this not being locked down is that Metavoss is still spewing the same crap he always was.HT posted this nugget that Voss posted in another thread relating to what Bush had done on the good side.

  "He gave my three businesses enough of a tax break for me to put another fifty-seven people to work. When profits went up again I hired another twenty-three people. If this trend continues another one-hundred people will have jobs over the next four years."

   Voss was asked what buisnesses and never replied as to what scams he was talking about tho.:aok
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Post by: Tumor on August 02, 2004, 11:22:45 AM
You guys are freekin weird.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 02, 2004, 11:28:03 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Westy

 And the silver lining to this whole outrageous topic? A new DoK inspired scenario.  I am definitely buying  tickets to this event.  Especially given the time frame and theater being used.

 


Just an unofficial update: I spent most of the weekend finishing the scenario site and moving/merging most of my old and existing content to a new CMS. I found some useful historic links for the event which are also included to keep people busy. So once the details of scheduling and terrain building for Rangoon are finished being discussed, we should be ready to make the announcement and start considering command staff appointments.
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Post by: Edbert on August 02, 2004, 01:14:28 PM
This thread needs to stay open as long as scumbag-voss-metatron is in our midst, I feel dirty even knowing he is here.

If anyone really doesn't understand why it is open or why it has so many posts you either did not read it or are you are trolling (Toad :D).
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Post by: Mini D on August 02, 2004, 01:22:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Toad
I read this thread from beginning to end; I still don't get it. I mean, I wonder why this thread is still active; anyone have that same thought?
You mean 20 pages of people re-kindling long lost relationships?
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Post by: Grimm on August 02, 2004, 05:50:07 PM
Dont feel dirty,  We all are better off knowing exactly were Voss is.
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Post by: Arlo on August 02, 2004, 05:55:54 PM
Unofficially ... I think Toad caught eight before I opened my big mouth just now. :D
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Post by: Toad on August 02, 2004, 06:01:47 PM
Jeez, Arlo!

I was gunna smoke the big oneson the Brinkmann! Now they'll jump out of the boat!
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Post by: Tex on August 02, 2004, 11:59:19 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Hornet

The TopGunz were the most highly represented "squad" at the
con with 14 members attending (barely beating out the Air
Mafia who had 13). The attendees were:

and whatever the hell Tex's handle is since I forget and he
signed on the back of the ****ing box


That would be Wolverine.

Oh well, too late but I've got access to the BBS again. :)

/waves at everyone /fades

Tex
968 GEnie
5883 Cris
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Post by: Brooke on August 03, 2004, 01:31:46 AM
Hey, Moggy and Tex have shown up!  Welcome, you two!
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Post by: Maverick on August 03, 2004, 10:51:35 AM
Just posting to get into the longest thread I can recall. Besides, I was around during the TAS scam. I can't believe this flake is still pulling the same crap. sigh.
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Post by: Airhead on August 03, 2004, 11:36:34 AM
Moggy gave me and my AW squadies  AW ballcaps in 1999 at the Reno air races.

Truly a nice, nice guy. ..I'm glad he's doing well.
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Post by: Rude on August 03, 2004, 12:31:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Tex
That would be Wolverine.

Oh well, too late but I've got access to the BBS again. :)

/waves at everyone /fades

Tex
968 GEnie
5883 Cris


Heyas Old Fart!

Salute!!!:)
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Post by: Brooke on August 04, 2004, 01:45:59 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Airhead
Moggy gave me and my AW squadies  AW ballcaps in 1999 at the Reno air races.

Truly a nice, nice guy. ..I'm glad he's doing well.


Hey, excellent!  I went to the Reno Air Races one year, and Moggy gave me a cap, too.  I still have it on top of my computer monitor.  Thanks, Moggy!  (A more dashing and gentlemanly Air Warrior you will not meet, I say!)

I can't remember if it was 1999 or not, but we might have been to the same one.  My buddy's brother-in-law was the pilot of Rare Bear, which unfortunately had a valve break off and enter the combustion chamber then had subsequent problems with the main bearing (metal parts in combustion chamber with piston going up and down = unhappy crankshaft).  So, he couldn't fly Rare Bear in the race but flew a Sea Fury instead.  Also, unfortunately, one pilot was killed in one of the races when his horizontal stabilizer failed after crossing another plane's wake, inducing flutter.
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Post by: Tex on August 04, 2004, 02:25:04 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Brooke
Hey, Moggy and Tex have shown up!  Welcome, you two!


Howdy sir. Saw a reference to skip bombing in the Rangoon part of this thread. Reminded me of a roundtable one night on GEnie where I wanted it added to the game and you looked (typed?) at me like my head was exploding. :)

I think it was.

Tex
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Post by: Tex on August 04, 2004, 02:26:24 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Rude
Heyas Old Fart!

Salute!!!:)


heyas Ice :)

Good to "see" you.

Tex
thanks to Skuzzy for getting me up to speed here.

Hotmailland sucketh
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Post by: Tex on August 04, 2004, 02:27:26 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Tex
heyas Ice :)

Good to "see" you.

 


eek, a new page and I forgot to /wave at Thumby (and everyone else).

How are those new thumbs these days? ;p

Tex
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Post by: Tex on August 04, 2004, 02:39:51 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Hmmmm ... looks like I need to drop the cruising altitudes a little.


meant to add a tidbit I found while researching for Guadalcanal...

Japanese pilots developed a way to run their engines leaner  than most everyone else but it required a certain speed and altitude range to work properly. I cannot recall if I got that info from RickT's friend (Leyte Gulf author) or Rick himself though. Never did pin down the speed range but the altitude range was 22 to 25k.

Tex
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Post by: Tex on August 04, 2004, 02:54:51 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Brooke
Dok, this thread and the people in it...

 Sicily '43 (my first high-complexity CO role),

-- Brooke


I just wanted to say that JUGS SUCK! (ed)

Tex
well, they did then? WTF is Bingo anyway?
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Post by: Maverick on August 04, 2004, 10:13:15 AM
Hey there Tex. How's things going for ya?
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Post by: Heater on August 04, 2004, 11:50:56 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Just an unofficial update: I spent most of the weekend finishing the scenario site and moving/merging most of my old and existing content to a new CMS. I found some useful historic links for the event which are also included to keep people busy. So once the details of scheduling and terrain building for Rangoon are finished being discussed, we should be ready to make the announcement and start considering command staff appointments.



Wellcome back Dok :D:aok
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Post by: Tex on August 04, 2004, 08:21:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Maverick
Hey there Tex. How's things going for ya?


They're going. :) How have you been sir?

Tex
and how's your wife?
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Post by: Maverick on August 04, 2004, 09:50:37 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Tex
They're going. :) How have you been sir?

Tex
and how's your wife?


Doing pretty good here. We're RVing full time now. Been to or through 13 states since middle of June. The Mrs. is still in remission, thanks for asking and for remembering! ;)
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Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on August 04, 2004, 10:04:27 PM
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Originally posted by Tex
That would be Wolverine.

Oh well, too late but I've got access to the BBS again. :)

/waves at everyone /fades

Tex
968 GEnie
5883 Cris


Well I'll be damned. Speaking of lurkers and the clue by four.
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Post by: Tex on August 05, 2004, 06:43:51 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Maverick
Doing pretty good here. We're RVing full time now. Been to or through 13 states since middle of June. The Mrs. is still in remission, thanks for asking and for remembering! ;)


Thats very good to hear.  Very good. I'm d/ling the game today. I have to find my stick in the garage though. :(

Tex
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Post by: Torque on August 05, 2004, 06:55:57 AM
I can just imagine Voss's incoming Xmas card collection.
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Post by: Tex on August 05, 2004, 06:57:57 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Well I'll be damned. Speaking of lurkers and the clue by four.


hehe, only avatar I have is EQ related.

Tex
off to find some boobs
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Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on August 05, 2004, 07:10:19 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Tex
hehe, only avatar I have is EQ related.

Tex
off to find some boobs



There used to be plenty in BigWeek.:D
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Post by: Smut on August 06, 2004, 06:05:15 AM
Page 3??? How did that happen???

Back on topic - Voss, please take your life.

-Smut
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Post by: Toad on August 06, 2004, 11:54:00 PM
I hate to admit this but I read this thread from beginning to end.

I just don't get it. I mean, I have to wonder why this thread is still active.

Is anyone else  having that same thought?
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Post by: Mini D on August 06, 2004, 11:55:17 PM
I get it.
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Post by: Lizking on August 06, 2004, 11:55:57 PM
500 internet gold to the Lady that can close it.
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Post by: TweetyBird on August 06, 2004, 11:58:00 PM
>>I hate to admit this but I read this thread from beginning to end.

I just don't get it. I mean, I have to wonder why this thread is still active.

Is anyone else having that same thought?

<<

The Ents are moving ;) "orrroooooooooooom dooooooooooooooom..booom..."
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Post by: hawker238 on August 07, 2004, 12:06:11 AM
Just thought I should post.  I really haven't yet!
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Post by: DrDea on August 07, 2004, 12:28:02 AM
Toad lose the lame bait ;)
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Post by: Naso on August 07, 2004, 06:20:27 AM
1770.

Was this an important year?

:)
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Post by: Toad on August 07, 2004, 07:59:11 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DrDea
Toad lose the lame bait ;)


I borrowed that lure from Arlo. Had 8 in the boat in a twinkling last time I used it. Maybe this hole is fished out.
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Post by: Jackal1 on August 07, 2004, 11:23:12 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Toad
I borrowed that lure from Arlo. Had 8 in the boat in a twinkling last time I used it. Maybe this hole is fished out.


  Actualy you got caught in the seines of the large fleet that was allready fishing the waters. :D
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Post by: Hornet on August 07, 2004, 11:56:13 AM
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Originally posted by Tex
eek, a new page and I forgot to /wave at Thumby (and everyone else).

How are those new thumbs these days? ;p

Tex


Tex, great to see ya

who knows maybe my impatience will endanger the 2nd thumb in some future scenario briefing ;)
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Post by: Tex on August 07, 2004, 12:50:33 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Hornet
Tex, great to see ya
 


I just sent Ghost a message to get over here and say hello also. :)

Tex
unless work interferes I'll be at the Con this year, you making it in?
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Post by: hawker238 on August 07, 2004, 01:27:59 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Naso
1770.

Was this an important year?

:)


1775, Marine Corps founded.
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Post by: Tumor on August 08, 2004, 02:34:01 PM
bump

...why not.
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Post by: Horn on August 08, 2004, 02:36:00 PM
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Originally posted by Tumor
bump

...why not.


Pot stirrer.

h
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Post by: SKurj on August 08, 2004, 03:28:46 PM
This has to be the most interesting read on the AH bbs to date!!

And the old names!!  

Think the thread starter deserves a coupla months free for the new business this thread has attracted +)

I know I flew with Brat at some point, perhaps 86th...  always loved the way you could/can put someone in their place +)



Cheers


SKurj
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Post by: Meatwad on August 08, 2004, 03:47:33 PM
Need something to get it going again

1779
The American Revolution Affects New Orleans |
 Galvez Retakes Florida From Great Britain
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Post by: Coolridr on August 09, 2004, 09:13:41 AM
US NAVAL HISTORY

1780 - Feb-11 : Second attack on Charleston.
The British have adopted a "southern strategy" designed to roll the revolution up from the south. As the Americans had expected the bolw falls on Charleston, SC, Where a British army of 14k men under Maj. General Sir Henry Clinton is supported by a powerful naval squadron commanded by Vice Admiral Marriot Arbuthnot. Despite an energetic defense by Brig. General Benjamin Lincoln, the investment of the city is completed on April 11th. The four vessel squadron commanded by Captian Abraham Whipple (frigates Boston(24), Providence(28), and the Queen of France(28), and the sloop Ranger(18) ) serve as floating batteries.
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Post by: Wonko_the_Sane on August 10, 2004, 07:05:23 PM
Are we to just let this thread die? You guys don't have a hair on your bellybutton to get it up to 2000 posts.
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Post by: Arlo on August 10, 2004, 07:14:02 PM
Shaddap, Voss! :D
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Post by: Westy on August 10, 2004, 07:48:21 PM
Let's kick it to 1783 and bring up a very dark chapter to the American Revolution........


" There were 4,435 American battle deaths during the Revolutionary War, according to the Department of Defense. One historian estimated that there were between 7,000 and 8,000 prison ship deaths, but other sources claim even more. A letter-writer from Fishkill in 1783 claimed that on the Jersey alone, 11,644 Americans died. Although that figure is unlikely for the one ship, it is reasonable for all the prison ships together, and is cited regularly."

"There were more than a thousand men at a time packed onto the Jersey. They died with such regularity that when their British jailers opened the hatches in the morning, their first greeting to the men below was: "Rebels, turn out your dead!" Christopher Vail, of Southold, who was on the Jersey in 1781, later wrote:
 When a man died he was carried up on the forecastle and laid there until the next morning at 8 o'clock when they were all lowered down the ship sides by a rope round them in the same manner as tho' they were beasts. There was 8 died of a day while I was there. They were carried on shore in heaps and hove out the boat on the wharf, then taken across a hand barrow, carried to the edge of the bank, where a hole was dug 1 or 2 feet deep and all hove in together."
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Post by: Wonko_the_Sane on August 10, 2004, 07:53:29 PM
I'll have more naval history for whatever number we are on when I'm back at work...and by the way I'm not Voss...Used to be Coolridr.
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Post by: Coolridr on August 11, 2004, 07:33:44 AM
1785: June 3, Congress authorizes the sale of the one remaining American Naval vessel , the frigate ALLIANCE. For the next 9 years the nation will not have a navy.
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Post by: Westy on August 11, 2004, 08:21:45 AM
Thanks for that bit Coolridr.  In my youth I was fascinated more with the War of 1812 (used to go visit the USS Consitituion every summer at least once) than the Revolutionary War. But in the past few years I've been reading a lot on the Rev War and the early days of our country. The diaries of Hessians who fought here, the "Convention Soldiers (Burgoyne's and  von Riedesel army that surrendered) and what happened to them  etc.

http://www.americanrevolution.org/hess15.html



 But I've not spent any time reading about the fledgling navy (didn;t realise there was one) and you've got my curiosity sparked
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Post by: Coolridr on August 11, 2004, 08:47:51 AM
1787: Sept 17, The Constitutional Convention, called to organize a stronger federal government for the United States, approves the Constitution, which is then submitted to the individual states for ratification. Among the powers specifically vested in the new government is "to provide and maintain a Navy" The process of ratification is completed in the summer of 1788, but years will pass before a navy is actually established.

By the way, The US Navy is the only military service that is garanteed by the constitution to exist.
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Post by: Bodhi on August 11, 2004, 06:58:38 PM
What does Naval History have to do with Voss being a scumbag?
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Post by: Coolridr on August 11, 2004, 07:11:51 PM
HAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!

Was just trying to get this thread moving again. It stalled out at about 1700 posts..thought we as a community should try for 2000:D

And as you can see..I was corrolating the year I wrote from with my post number. Thought that would be neat-o

HAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!
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Post by: SLO on August 11, 2004, 07:48:05 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SKurj
This has to be the most interesting read on the AH bbs to date!!

And the old names!!  

Think the thread starter deserves a coupla months free for the new business this thread has attracted +)

Cheers


SKurj


sure, an attention seeker gets his attention, Festard strikes again, and again and again. Think that was his 6 or 7th posting about Voss. Now let Dale give him a few months free so he can game the game, he was the best at that.

what I'm wonderin about is who's worst, a pathetic attention seeker or a pathetic liar.

at least the pathetic liar you can ignore, but the attention seeker is like fly on chit, just won't go away.

now for Arlo's childish cartoon posting.
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Post by: Arlo on August 11, 2004, 07:49:00 PM
Good avatar. Naval history nut. Says "HAAAAAAARRRRRRRR" with gusto and authority.

(http://jollyrogers.info/VF17/woof.jpg)

Pretty sure we have one your size.
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Post by: Coolridr on August 11, 2004, 07:49:07 PM
There we go..you see thats what I was talking about....GO GO GO!!
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Post by: Arlo on August 11, 2004, 07:50:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
sure, an attention seeker gets his attention, Festard strikes again, and again and again. Think that was his 6 or 7th posting about Voss. Now let Dale give him a few months free so he can game the game, he was the best at that.

what I'm wonderin about is who's worst, a pathetic attention seeker or a pathetic liar.

at least the pathetic liar you can ignore, but the attention seeker is like fly on chit, just won't go away.

now for Arlo's childish cartoon posting.


You still in a pissy lil snit over your boyfriend gettin gangbanged in this thread? :D
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Post by: Coolridr on August 11, 2004, 07:51:21 PM
Let skeep up this momentum...:D :D :D
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Post by: Arlo on August 11, 2004, 07:54:59 PM
He's called "SLO" for a reason. Give him an hour or a week to feel it.
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Post by: Jasta on August 11, 2004, 07:55:04 PM
Go Saints!
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Post by: SLO on August 11, 2004, 07:56:20 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
You still in a pissy lil snit over your boyfriend gettin gangbanged in this thread? :D


actually no Arlo, I was bored and needed some childish entertainment, your name came up fast:D
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Post by: Coolridr on August 11, 2004, 07:56:37 PM
Go Jaguars!
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Post by: Arlo on August 11, 2004, 08:00:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
actually no Arlo, I was bored and needed some childish entertainment, your name came up fast:D


What .... MetaTard find another boyfriend? Or is he at work ... on the street ... to try to raise money to get your cartoon network channel turned back on? :D
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Post by: Coolridr on August 11, 2004, 08:01:40 PM
WOOOHOO only 200 more to go
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Post by: Arlo on August 11, 2004, 08:02:47 PM
Take your time, SLO ... I'll be back to check on ya later. ;)
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Post by: SLO on August 11, 2004, 08:06:39 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
What .... MetaTard find another boyfriend? Or is he at work ... on the street ... to try to raise money to get your cartoon network channel turned back on? :D


lol

as for MT, I don't know where he is. Someone from the squad booted em, I've been working alot and playing WW2online for the past month(when I can).

and how are you doin?
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Post by: Arlo on August 11, 2004, 09:11:07 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
lol

as for MT, I don't know where he is. Someone from the squad booted em, I've been working alot and playing WW2online for the past month(when I can).

and how are you doin?


Just ducky.

Well you mighta missed some valuable WWIIOL time here by posting in a thread to get attention by sayin' that everyone else that posts in it is doing so for attention.
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Post by: DieAz on August 11, 2004, 09:23:04 PM
just to keep steam going;


Who was the historical Voss, what did he do etc.  ?
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Post by: X2Lee on August 11, 2004, 09:30:02 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Toad
I hate to admit this but I read this thread from beginning to end.

I just don't get it. I mean, I have to wonder why this thread is still active.

Is anyone else  having that same thought?
 

My first post here and I just wanna say this is tarded :D
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Post by: SLO on August 11, 2004, 09:40:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
Just ducky.

Well you mighta missed some valuable WWIIOL time here by posting in a thread to get attention by sayin' that everyone else that posts in it is doing so for attention.


read again, you missed the Festard comment.

as for missing WW2, again your reading comprehension is lacking, I said I work alot
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Post by: DrDea on August 11, 2004, 09:51:30 PM
Just remember SLO when this thread gets dug up in 6 months YOUR gonna be remembered as the tard that stuck up for dillhole.When the entire community says hes a duck and YOU say hes ok with me..................Love the hate.
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Post by: Jackal1 on August 11, 2004, 10:12:35 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DieAz

Who was the historical Voss, what did he do etc.  ?


  Once upon a time in a land far, far away lived a wicked troll under a bridge. In the sky above this bridge was the rein of those known as Air Warriors or dweebs....................... ............................. ....
............................. .............. Awww better still just go to page one and start there. :D
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Post by: AW=B17= on August 11, 2004, 10:41:11 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Just an unofficial update: I spent most of the weekend finishing the scenario site and moving/merging most of my old and existing content to a new CMS. I found some useful historic links for the event which are also included to keep people busy. So once the details of scheduling and terrain building for Rangoon are finished being discussed, we should be ready to make the announcement and start considering command staff appointments.


I'm still following the thread with interest.  I've spent the last 4 days in NH (with a dial-up) and just got home.

This is the BUSIEST year of my life - bar none.  But somehow, I'll MAKE time to be a part of this.

-W
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 11, 2004, 10:57:17 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AW=B17=
I'm still following the thread with interest.  I've spent the last 4 days in NH (with a dial-up) and just got home.

This is the BUSIEST year of my life - bar none.  But somehow, I'll MAKE time to be a part of this.

-W


I'm waiting on the CM dudes to get back to me on dates and terrains and stuff.
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Post by: 1K3 on August 11, 2004, 11:02:08 PM
can anyone summarize what this thread is all about?

:D
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Post by: AW=B17= on August 11, 2004, 11:34:21 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I'm waiting on the CM dudes to get back to me on dates and terrains and stuff.


You're in good hands with Jordi.  He ran the CON after SB's Dallas CON - and did so well that Dale had him do a re-run for AH.

I was typing a much longer post and the (brand new) Logitech mouse I bought on Ebay crapped out and I had to reboot.

It was a nice post - I'm not sure why the "curse of DoK" reached out and took my mouse.... hehe

You'll excuse me whilst I arrange a refund or remouse...

Tomorrow.....

-W
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Post by: DrDea on August 12, 2004, 12:10:44 AM
This is an HT endorsed get that sucker.VOSS ripped off several from the flying community and this comes out every 6 months thread when we find out what handle that maggot is flying under we roast him.Fortunatly several old timers have come out of the woodwork on this run and even beat that ****** even more than the last several times we caught him crawling out from under his new rock.
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Post by: DieAz on August 12, 2004, 12:21:58 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
Once upon a time in a land far, far away lived a wicked troll under a bridge. In the sky above this bridge was the rein of those known as Air Warriors or dweebs....................... ............................. ....
............................. .............. Awww better still just go to page one and start there. :D



Wrong Voss , not the metavoss worm , I meant the real Voss from WW2.
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 12:41:57 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
read again, you missed the Festard comment.

as for missing WW2, again your reading comprehension is lacking, I said I work alot


No ... your moronic comments are noted. I'm sure everyone here cares that you're still in love with Voss. You pop your head up whenever his name is mentioned. And I'm sure we all dearly care that you have a job and play WWIIOL. And to think, you almost made it to the "forgotten you made a fool of yourself here" point. Can't have that now. Carry on. :D
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 12:42:37 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DieAz
Wrong Voss , not the metavoss worm , I meant the real Voss from WW2.


Pretty sure he was a Nazi ace. :D
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Post by: SaburoS on August 12, 2004, 01:56:45 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DieAz
Wrong Voss , not the metavoss worm , I meant the real Voss from WW2.


Werner Voss was a WWI ace. Was an Austrian flying for Germany.
His last and final fight was what cemented his reputation even though he was killed in it. 1:6 to 1:9 odds depending on the source.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 12, 2004, 03:20:20 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
...

now for Arlo's childish cartoon posting.


(http://www.gonzoville.com/datas/users/1-slo-nose.jpg)
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Post by: Coolridr on August 12, 2004, 06:33:25 AM
1818 August 19th:

The Oregon territory is claimed for the United Staes by Captain James Biddle of the sloop ONTARIO, who lands at Cape Disappointment on the Columbia river. According to the terms of the Anglo-American Convention of 1818, the territory will be jointly occupies by the United States and Britain.
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 03:01:07 PM
On 3 March 1819 an act of Congress formally placed the responsibility for assigning names to the Navy's ships in the hands of the Secretary of the Navy, a prerogative which he still exercises. This act stated that "all of the ships, of the Navy of the United States, now building, or hereafter to be built, shall be named by the Secretary of the Navy, under the direction of the President of the United States, according to the following rule, to wit: those of the first class shall be called after the States of this Union; those of the second class after the rivers; and those of the third class after the principal cities and towns; taking care that no two vessels of the navy shall bear the same name." The last-cited provision remains in the United States Code today.
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Post by: Westy on August 12, 2004, 03:04:10 PM
"The last-cited provision remains in the United States Code today."

And pretty much ignored as they are named after political figures now.  Like modern day US coinage our Naval ship names sucketh.
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Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 03:22:01 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DrDea
Just remember SLO when this thread gets dug up in 6 months YOUR gonna be remembered as the tard that stuck up for dillhole.When the entire community says hes a duck and YOU say hes ok with me..................Love the hate.


here's a question, Does the community pay my account....

didn't think so, so your community comment is flushed, and who cares WTF you think anyways:aok

and I'm not gonna lower myself to your level of childish comments.
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Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 03:28:35 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
No ... your moronic comments are noted. I'm sure everyone here cares that you're still in love with Voss. You pop your head up whenever his name is mentioned. And I'm sure we all dearly care that you have a job and play WWIIOL. And to think, you almost made it to the "forgotten you made a fool of yourself here" point. Can't have that now. Carry on. :D



more platitudes, man, try singing a different tune please
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Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 03:33:33 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
(http://www.gonzoville.com/datas/users/1-slo-nose.jpg)


I see you like sticking things up your nose, how interesting.........








































NOT!!!
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Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 03:45:20 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DrDea
This is an HT endorsed get that sucker.VOSS ripped off several from the flying community and this comes out every 6 months thread when we find out what handle that maggot is flying under we roast him.Fortunatly several old timers have come out of the woodwork on this run and even beat that ****** even more than the last several times we caught him crawling out from under his new rock.


here's what I'm thinking, Fools get ripped off by a pathetic liar......

Fools decide too police BBS looking for said liar.....

and now you think I'm gonna listen to fools.....

right....

unlike you fools, I don't follow:aok
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 04:03:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
more platitudes, man, try singing a different tune please


They're only "platitudes" because you're too stupid and stubborn to stop. If we go back to ignoring you all it'll take is someone typing "Voss" and you'll be back here dancin' the pee pee dance again.



(http://jollyrogers.info/VF17/popupslo.gif)
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 04:05:06 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO

unlike you fools, I don't follow:aok


Nope. You're your own unique fool. :D
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 04:07:53 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Westy
"The last-cited provision remains in the United States Code today."

And pretty much ignored as they are named after political figures now.  Like modern day US coinage our Naval ship names sucketh.


The last cited provision was, "taking care that no two vessels of the navy shall bear the same name."
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 12, 2004, 04:10:54 PM
Wow ... I never thought SLO would stoop so low as the "I know you are but what am I ploy."
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Post by: Jasta on August 12, 2004, 04:12:26 PM
has there ever been a 2000 post thread?
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Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 04:12:49 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
They're only "platitudes" because you're too stupid and stubborn to stop.

Stubborn yes, Stupid, now thats all relative, cause I find you stupid and childish.



If we go back to ignoring you all it'll take is someone typing "Voss" and you'll be back here dancin' the pee pee dance again.

Well I see you're still dancing fool, try preaching a different tune, and I already told you I don't care about the 'WE' part you mentioned.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 04:14:06 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
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Originally posted by Arlo

Well I see you're still dancing fool, try preaching a different tune, and I already told you I don't care about the 'WE' part you mentioned.


Yeah ... I see a helluva lot of "don't care" from you in this thread. Heh. :lol
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Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 04:15:44 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Wow ... I never thought SLO would stoop so low as the "I know you are but what am I ploy."


your the fool who got caught in a myrraid of lies not me, try takin out your frustration on yourself and not others.
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 04:18:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
your the fool who got caught in a myrraid of lies not me, try takin out your frustration on yourself and not others.


When you go to bed do you just lay spread eagle face down on top of the covers and wait for Voss to join you or does he make you wear the "Genie" costume first so he can play "Major Nelson?":D
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 04:18:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
Yeah ... I see a helluva lot of "don't care" from you in this thread. Heh. :lol


Until you start using "what you think' and not 'what WE think' then maybe I will care.

Is it necessary for you to hide behind your little online persona friends, come now Arlo, I know you like sniffin butts but this is gettin out of hand.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 12, 2004, 04:19:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
your the fool who got caught in a myrraid of lies not me ...


I am? Realllllly? You know this for a fact? You are absolutely, positively, 100000% sure of this?

Thou art a clueless and ill-informed puss-monkey.
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 04:21:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
Until you start using "what you think' and not 'what WE think' then maybe I will care.

Is it necessary for you to hide behind your little online persona friends, come now Arlo, I know you like sniffin butts but this is gettin out of hand.


Truth is, we did ignore you until you came back cryin' and making a fool of yourself again. But if you'd rather .... I ignored you until then. Doesn't change a thing other than ... most of the rest are still ignoring you. Now I'm sure you feel tons better about your wet diapee. :aok
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Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 04:22:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
When you go to bed do you just lay spread eagle face down on top of the covers and wait for Voss to join you or does he make you wear the "Genie" costume first so he can play "Major Nelson?":D


you make alot of gay sexual references.....

are you sexually frustrated Arlo?

are you one of those hiding in the closet?
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 04:25:17 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
you make alot of gay sexual references.....

are you sexually frustrated Arlo?

are you one of those hiding in the closet?


Nope. Are you here defending Voss's honor and not even gettin' laid for it anymore? I'm sure he'll notice and give ya some. :D
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 12, 2004, 04:29:28 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
... I know you like sniffin butts but this is gettin out of hand.


(http://gonzoville.com/datas/users/1-slow-sniff-butt.jpg)
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 04:36:51 PM
Slo's stamina appears to be draining. Thread slowing down.

VOSS!

There .... that should be good for another half dozen droolings from the Sloblo.

P.S. ... for the post above: 1840 - LT Charles Wilkes, USN is first American to discover Antarctic coast.
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Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 04:41:25 PM
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Originally posted by Arlo
Nope. Are you here defending Voss's honor and not even gettin' laid for it anymore? I'm sure he'll notice and give ya some. :D


You keep mentioning Voss, I see you're fixated with him. Thats not good Arlo, and still more gay sexual references, seek help, you need it
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 04:45:31 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
You keep mentioning Voss, I see you're fixated with him. Thats not good Arlo, and still more gay sexual references, seek help, you need it


Neh. Just happens to be the most logical conclusion derived from you getting a boner to defend him everytime his name is mentioned. Seemed kinda obvious. Well, to anyone with an IQ above room temperature, I reckon. :D
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Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 04:48:37 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo

Thou art a clueless and ill-informed puss-monkey.


My my not bad coming from someone who doesn't even now me, clueless, try that on yourself.
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 04:50:49 PM
Heh. We know ya. You made sure of that. :aok
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 12, 2004, 04:50:50 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
...  try that on yourself.


"I know you are but what am I!"

Twice in one day ... well done.

Now stop sucking your thumb and go pleasure Voss.
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 04:52:03 PM
Dammit Dok! Had this one slated for your post!

1846 - Commodore John D. Sloat lands at Monterey and claims California for U.S.

Protestors immediately materialize onshore and demand the warship leave.

Oh .... and ....

1847 - Marine Brigade leads U.S. forces that storm Chapultepec Castle near Mexico City, inspiring one line of the Marine Hymn "We kicked us some Mexican arse!" (which was later rewritten).
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Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 04:52:57 PM
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Originally posted by Arlo
Neh. Just happens to be the most logical conclusion derived from you getting a boner to defend him everytime his name is mentioned. Seemed kinda obvious. Well, to anyone with an IQ above room temperature, I reckon. :D


right, you keep using childish name calling, keep making gay sexual references, keep mentioning Voss, and you keep bashing on and on and on, and then you tell me I have a room temperature IQ.

seek help
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 04:55:37 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
right, you keep using childish name calling, keep making gay sexual references, keep mentioning Voss, and you keep bashing on and on and on, and then you tell me I have a room temperature IQ.
 


I was giving you credit. Show some appreciation. :D
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Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 04:56:19 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
"I know you are but what am I!"

Twice in one day ... well done.

Now stop sucking your thumb and go pleasure Voss.


oh high and mighty, go fug yourself.


get Arlo's nose outta your butt, you two seem very friendly. Too friendly, now what I mean:p
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 04:57:40 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
oh high and mighty, go fug yourself.


get Arlo's nose outta your butt, you two seem very friendly. Too friendly, now what I mean:p


Ah... a gay reference. That means you're gay, yaknow. :aok
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 12, 2004, 04:58:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
oh high and mighty, go fug yourself.
 


He shoots ... he scores! SLO is stomping his widdle feet and getting mad.

And gee ... you've made two references to butt-sniffing today ...  guess you need your little distractions, eh?
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Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 05:01:39 PM
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Originally posted by Arlo
I was giving you credit. Show some appreciation. :D


now I'm impressed Arlo....

no cartoon posting.

no name calling.

no Voss comment.

no sexual references.

just a pure delusional witty comment.

now your improving, that I appreciate.
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 05:03:20 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
now I'm impressed Arlo....

no cartoon posting.

no name calling.

no Voss comment.

no sexual references.

just a pure delusional witty comment.

now your improving, that I appreciate.


Nothing better than having a tard added to your fanclub, I always say. :D
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Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 05:06:40 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
He shoots ... he scores! SLO is stomping his widdle feet and getting mad.

And gee ... you've made two references to butt-sniffing today ...  guess you need your little distractions, eh?


thats what happens when you keep posting too 2 gay boys, its the only language they understand.
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Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 05:08:16 PM
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Originally posted by Arlo
Nothing better than having a tard added to your fanclub, I always say. :D


wishful thinking southern boy, I'll never be in your gay fanboy club.
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Post by: AW=B17= on August 12, 2004, 05:12:21 PM
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Originally posted by Arlo
I was giving you credit. Show some appreciation. :D


Hehe....  I see the poor whipping boy returned for another round of "please sir, may I have another?".

Hey now listen.. he said he's gonna make up his own mind and do his own thing.  It doesn't matter that 100 people have told him he's fraternising with dog poo ; like DoK's pic suggests he need to sniff every prettythang for himself - just to be sure.

I've already gotten bored with him.... except as a springboard to see how he invites further beatings... the beatings are fun to watch.

-W
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 05:16:19 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
wishful thinking southern boy, I'll never be in your gay fanboy club.


Probably a provision in the Voss gayboy fanclub you already belong to. Eh ... I'm sure we'll get over it. :D
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Post by: CyranoAH on August 12, 2004, 05:17:55 PM
I thought I might just bring the thread full circle. Back to post one!

Daniel

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Originally posted by Citabria
(http://www.r0013636.hostultra.com/uploads/data/media/1/Voss_story.jpg)


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This is from a close associate who was part of the Voss scam called 'TAS' .. and aye, Maverick .. he probably took the name of the squadron, but the scam was not done by the squad ...it was perpetrated by Voss.

> How much money did he get from who?

Before I answer your question, I'll put my cards face up on the table, just so you know where I'm coming from.
Back when Paul "Voss" Hinds began his Scam I had already been playing AW for several years. Voss was a member of an Air Warrior Squadron called the 13th TAS, a Squad that has since had links with other online flight sim's and is also currently running in Aces High.
I only mention that because TAS was the name of the new online game at the centre of the scam, and it is important to point out that they were in no way connected with it, as far as I know the other members of the Squad are all honourable men.

Also, I've never written any of this down before, so by way of disclaimer, I will say that I'm working entirely from memory, but this is in any case how I remember those events as they occurred.

I was one of the beta testers for TAS and although I was one of the lucky ones, the scam cost me money, and wasted a great deal of my time. Also, let's not forget that at the time this was the biggest, longest and most outrageous scam ever to hit the flight sim' community! Now you know where I'm coming from, I'll answer your question.

The person who lost the most was the main investor, Michael "Amok" Hobuss, who I believe was one of Voss's AW Squad mates. From my perspective as one of the beta testers, the deal appeared to be that Voss did all the programming and design while Amok covered the expenses and development
costs, including having a new powerful development machine delivered to Voss, setting up and maintaining the beta team, bulletin board, and all advertising and promotional costs.

Now before we go any farther, let's just look at that set-up. Voss had built credibility by claiming to have two doctorates, and vast relevant experience, he was not just exaggerating, he was deliberately giving false information to a squad mate, in order to
encourage him into parting with money and equipment for services he knew that he could not deliver.

He was never in the CIA, was never an F-16 pilot and he did not shoot down two enemy aircraft has he claimed, he did not own
a P-51, and has probably never even flown one, and he did not have two PhDs.
He fabricated that entire web of lies with the obvious motivation of securing investment for his own personal gain.

This scam lasted a long time, and was fed with screen shots that looked magnificent, but which were in fact only artwork, and the delays were blamed on all manner of incredible circumstances, a scorpion bite, brain tumour, even some mention of special missions with the CIA.

During that time a large number of people were involved on the beta site, and I was one of them. I've heard that some of the beta testers were also asked for front money, but I can't recall being asked, but I do remember that I didn't send money. So I can't confirm that.

The scam dragged on so long that someone eventually checked into his background, and his military service was the first thing to come under scrutiny.
When it transpired that he had not been an F-16 pilot in the
USAF, he invented the CIA story to explain why his name didn't appear in military records, but the wall was beginning to crumble.

As more of his lies were exposed, Michael Hobuss became suspicious, but no doubt found it very hard to believe that a squad mate would lie and steal from him, so at that point he was actually covering for him.

Then things began to move quickly, because his stories were stretching credibility to the limit. I know how long you need to remain in education to get a PhD, not to mention two! Computer skills that exceeded those of the best programmers of the day, USAF training, a flying career, converting to F-16s, recruitment by the CIA, a privately owned P-51, and this man appeared to have achieved more than most could manage in two life times.

Everyone was suspicious and people were asking awkward questions. Michael Hobuss was also getting nervous and began asking awkward questions too, and that's when Voss disappeared. The Scorpion bite! It was reported that Folk
even visited Voss in hospital, so perhaps that part was true, but it just went down hill from there.

Time dragged on, and after more revelations, and no further evidence that the game even existed, Voss was supposed to have a brain tumour resulting in the end of the game's development, but then Michael Hobuss blew the whistle!
He admitted he had been conned, and lost his hardware, the
expenses and development costs, and that there never was any game. Any beta testers who had fronted money to the project had lost it. I had spent a lot of time logging onto the beta test site and incurred telephone costs and wasted many hours of my own time, but I was one of the lucky ones!

How much did Michael Hobuss eventually lose, I can't say, but I'd guess the figure must have been at least several thousand, and to be fair I heard that he was able to recover some of it. I'm not even sure how much I lost, I certainly wasn't bothered about it because it would have only been a fraction of what I was spending on AW at that time

This was a classic con! He fooled an investor, into parting with money and goods, by pretending to be something he wasn't.
The scam involved a large number of people, and left the community shaken, not because they had been taken in by a conman, but because they had been taken by one of their own,
some one many believed to be a squad mate and a friend.
For many it wasn't so much the money as the betrayal, that hurt that most.

Now I guess that all this could be forgotten if Voss had gone away, but he is still here, and he is attempting to rebuild his stock in the community.
Only recently he put out a call to the Aces High community to become involved in another project, that appeared to have all the hallmarks of another scam.
I was amazed when I saw it, and I thought to myself, "Here we
go again". Make no mistake, given the opportunity I believe he would do it again, it even looks very much as though he has actually tried already.
But fortunately, nobody took the bait. They never took the bait thanks to the efforts of those who remember, nobody has been allowed to forget.
The community has successfully protected itself by not allowing others to be taken in. That in my humble opinion is the morally correct, right and proper, thing to do.

When I see folk rehash the Voss stuff (as you call it) I'm always pleased to see it, because everytime it comes out I think that perhaps another few individuals have been made wise to him.
It also saddens me to see others defend him, because they are only helping him build a platform from which to strike again.

I haven't been able to give you exact figures, but does that answer your question?

Badz

-brought to you by Frank P. 'Gray Eagle' Williamson
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Post by: NUTTZ on August 12, 2004, 05:24:29 PM
VOSS thread t-shirts for sale... Gettem' while their hot!

NUTTZ
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 05:25:22 PM
Never try to sell hot t-shirts during the summer .... or around the authorities.
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Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 05:25:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AW=B17=
Hehe....  I see the poor whipping boy returned for another round of "please sir, may I have another?".

Hey now listen.. he said he's gonna make up his own mind and do his own thing.  It doesn't matter that 100 people have told him he's fraternising with dog poo ; like DoK's pic suggests he need to sniff every prettythang for himself - just to be sure.

I've already gotten bored with him.... except as a springboard to see how he invites further beatings... the beatings are fun to watch.

-W


another fanboy with delusions.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 05:30:34 PM
Merci Cyrano de Bergerac
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 12, 2004, 05:42:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
thats what happens when you keep posting too 2 gay boys, its the only language they understand.


So when did you join NAMBLA then to get this kind of demographic information?
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 05:48:23 PM
(http://jollyrogers.info/VF17/sloputemup.gif)
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Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 05:57:10 PM
True, you are the gang of boys on the street corner just picking on the little guy. And true you do hide behind this WE thing. Its ok to be scared little Arlo.
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 06:01:22 PM
You were the kind of AH player that flew as fast as he could and dove into the ack and the furball at the enemy base, got popped silly on the ingress, never made it to the point on egress then whined you were gang-raped, weren't ya? :lol
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Post by: SLO on August 12, 2004, 06:05:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
You were the kind of AH player that flew as fast as he could and dove into the ack and the furball at the enemy base, got popped silly on the ingress, never made it to the point on egress then whined you were gang-raped, weren't ya? :lol


one day you'll have a chance to test that dumb theory.

and trust me, it is dumb.
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 06:06:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
one day you'll have a chance to test that dumb theory.

and trust me, it is dumb.


I see you've almost tested it enough. Just not enough here. :aok
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Post by: Pongo on August 12, 2004, 06:19:36 PM
whats going on with this thread anyway?
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Post by: Ack-Ack on August 12, 2004, 06:30:40 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
I've been working alot and playing WW2online for the past month(when I can).




LOL!  Bet you had fun when that game got hacked :c)


ack-ack
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 12, 2004, 07:10:34 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
one day you'll have a chance to test that dumb theory.

and trust me, it is dumb.


Takes one to know one.
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Post by: Airhead on August 12, 2004, 07:34:52 PM
Wouldn't it be ironic if this thread got locked for personal attacks?
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Post by: DrDea on August 12, 2004, 08:07:57 PM
Naw.Slo stood up for Voss.That makes him fair game cause ANYone that would stick up for THAT scrote,well ya know what they say.Turds of a feather stink together.
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Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2004, 08:41:08 PM
The funniest part is exactly that. Nobody said a thing about SLO. But SLO dives back into the thread and pretty much begs everyone to hump his eyesocket again .... so they do ... then he gets all resentful like with his persecution complex. :D
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Post by: DrDea on August 12, 2004, 09:07:34 PM
Arlo ya missed the homophobic reference on that one.I expect you to get 'er done.:rofl
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Post by: AW=B17= on August 13, 2004, 12:14:39 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
The funniest part is exactly that. Nobody said a thing about SLO. But SLO dives back into the thread and pretty much begs everyone to hump his eyesocket again .... so they do ... then he gets all resentful like with his persecution complex. :D


That's what amazed me.  I thought the dildo clown was the KO punch. The fact that I was "wrong" is what makes me nervous.

When you're choking in your own blood...  at least pause a moment to gargle and spit.

-W
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Post by: AW=B17= on August 13, 2004, 12:16:48 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
True, you are the gang of boys on the street corner just picking on the little guy.  


OK....  I might give you that....  

SIT DOWN WALDO!!!!


-W
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Post by: GreenCloud on August 13, 2004, 02:34:33 AM
can someone post either a small snipit or  the lyrics fro the
Pointer Sisters

"Slowhand"

not sure if thats the name of the song but ill sing a bit for ya..




......." I want a man with a Sloooohand.......I want aman with an Easy Touch..I want a man who cna..blah blah somthn.....I want a man who will undertand...."..

cant sing the rest....just thought it would be nice background msuic in here

Love
BiGB
xoxo
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Post by: SLO on August 13, 2004, 11:40:52 AM
Quote
Originally posted by GreenCloud
can someone post either a small snipit or  the lyrics fro the
Pointer Sisters

"Slowhand"

not sure if thats the name of the song but ill sing a bit for ya..




......." I want a man with a Sloooohand.......I want aman with an Easy Touch..I want a man who cna..blah blah somthn.....I want a man who will undertand...."..

cant sing the rest....just thought it would be nice background msuic in here

Love
BiGB



xoxo





 :D
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Post by: SLO on August 13, 2004, 11:41:39 AM
Quote
Originally posted by AW=B17=
That's what amazed me.  I thought the dildo clown was the KO punch. The fact that I was "wrong" is what makes me nervous.

When you're choking in your own blood...  at least pause a moment to gargle and spit.

-W


I see that you don't understand the word delusional.
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Post by: SLO on August 13, 2004, 11:44:08 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Arlo
The funniest part is exactly that. Nobody said a thing about SLO. But SLO dives back into the thread and pretty much begs everyone to hump his eyesocket again .... so they do ... then he gets all resentful like with his persecution complex. :D



actually its you and your fool boyfriends who can't seem to accept they got screwed by a pathetic liar.

you actaully think people are gonna be TRUTHFUL about there online persona's
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Post by: Sikboy on August 13, 2004, 11:45:38 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
I see that you don't understand the word delusional.


I don't think the internet is big enough to list the things you don't seem to understand.

-Sik
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Post by: SLO on August 13, 2004, 11:45:41 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Airhead
Wouldn't it be ironic if this thread got locked for personal attacks?


Nah Dale has an axe to grind, and this board belongs too him. Hence the no lock.
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Post by: SLO on August 13, 2004, 11:48:04 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Sikboy
I don't think the internet is big enough to list the things you don't seem to understand.

-Sik


another fanboy talks, this keeps getting better, the circle of jerks just keeps growing.
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Post by: SLO on August 13, 2004, 11:49:07 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DrDea
Naw.Slo stood up for Voss.That makes him fair game cause ANYone that would stick up for THAT scrote,well ya know what they say.Turds of a feather stink together.


your not even worthy of attention
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Post by: Sikboy on August 13, 2004, 11:49:18 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
another fanboy talks, this keeps getting better, the circle of jerks just keeps growing.


Yeah, I figured you'd be tired of being the pivot man, but hey, if that's what you're into, good job.

-Sik
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Post by: SLO on August 13, 2004, 11:55:31 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Sikboy
Yeah, I figured you'd be tired of being the pivot man, but hey, if that's what you're into, good job.

-Sik


are one of those fools who got caught in this voss thing sik?
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Post by: Sikboy on August 13, 2004, 12:00:42 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
are one of those fools who got caught in this voss thing sik?


Of course not, I'm just in the thread because of your anti-breakfast machismo rant.

-Sik
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Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2004, 12:50:58 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
actually its you and your fool boyfriends who can't seem to accept they got screwed by a pathetic liar.

you actaully think people are gonna be TRUTHFUL about there online persona's


"their"

And now it's even funnier. You're gonna defend Voss's honor by claiming he was simply portraying some sort of online persona and not actually trying to convince people he was something he wasn't.

Seriously, though. Why are you so hot and bothered to defend that useless piece of slag, eh? Does he make you feel like no other man ever has? Or is the the attention and abuse it gets you from everyone here? Maybe both? :D
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 13, 2004, 01:05:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
actually its you and your fool boyfriends who can't seem to accept they got screwed by a pathetic liar.

you actaully think people are gonna be TRUTHFUL about there online persona's


Well, you've already been proven to be wrong on this assumption in at least once case, for the whole Voss affair happened while I was on hiatus from flight sims. So your blanket remark is completely useless, baseless, and hopeless.

As for online personas, while many of us do exagerate in some areas, most people I've met in my 17 years of being involved in this genre do not outright lie. If anyone has been lying it has been you - you lied when you said I was taken in by Voss.

You are indeed a most vapid twit.

And that's no lie.
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Post by: midnight Target on August 13, 2004, 01:13:07 PM
for some reason this came to mind....

(http://www.serapion.com/wray/chat/seal.gif)
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 13, 2004, 01:19:58 PM
... except that the seal in the cartoon is at least bright enough to know he's in trouble.
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Post by: Edbert on August 13, 2004, 01:41:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
True, you are the gang of boys on the street corner just picking on the little guy.

Calling Voss a "little guy"...are you referring to his stature or some other feature of him that you are intimately familiar with?
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Post by: airbumba on August 13, 2004, 01:41:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by midnight Target
for some reason this came to mind....

(http://www.serapion.com/wray/chat/seal.gif)



..aw cmon baby seals are white, and much cuter, what the phoque,.........hehe.
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Post by: B17Skull12 on August 13, 2004, 01:43:26 PM
going for 2000!
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Post by: Edbert on August 13, 2004, 01:52:44 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DrDea
This is an HT endorsed get that sucker.VOSS ripped off several from the flying community and this comes out every 6 months thread when we find out what handle that maggot is flying under we roast him.Fortunatly several old timers have come out of the woodwork on this run and even beat that ****** even more than the last several times we caught him crawling out from under his new rock.

Although metatard averaged more than 2 hours a day in the last tour he has not flown a single second in the current tour. Now that his identitywas made known he's crawled back under that rock. But I'd bet he's already back with a new identity. So how do we identify him?

Maybe we can get someone with access to the subscriber database to help...HT, you still following this mess?
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Post by: eskimo2 on August 13, 2004, 02:12:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by midnight Target
for some reason this came to mind....

(http://www.serapion.com/wray/chat/seal.gif)


I don't know why, but that girl one kind of turns me on...

eskimo
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Post by: Toad on August 13, 2004, 02:15:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Edbert MOL
So how do we identify him?



Stats. Look for the top spawn camper.
Title: to identify Voss
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on August 13, 2004, 03:34:23 PM
Look for someone you've never heard of being followed and revered by a group of relatively new and inexperienced people.
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Post by: JB73 on August 13, 2004, 03:51:25 PM
MAN 1901 posts 99 to go lol

never thought it would reach here without a lock or deletion or something.
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Post by: midnight Target on August 13, 2004, 04:28:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by JB73
MAN 1901 posts 99 to go lol

never thought it would reach here without a lock or deletion or something.


Dude thats like .. what? 37%!!!

:D
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Post by: Grimm on August 13, 2004, 05:11:33 PM
What Callsign is MetaVoss going by this week??  

anyone see him?
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Post by: AW=B17= on August 13, 2004, 05:47:34 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
you actaully think people are gonna be TRUTHFUL about there online persona's


As a matter of fact we (I can say we here?) generally think just that. I think we've come to accept that people exaggerate certain facets of thier real life personae in order to be "interesting" or "colorfull",  but I can assure you that the sim community that *I* know about detests liers and downright HATES people who lie for money.

For example when you said you were busy with work, I BELIEVED you, even though I first thought that you merely went away because you had enough beating for one lifetime.  Now why don't you go have a long listen to Motley Clue for a while and try to figgure out *which* facet of your real life personae it is *you've* exaggerated.

(Hint, it's the part you wipe)

-W
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Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2004, 06:06:28 PM
(http://jollyrogers.info/VF17/POE.jpg)

Quite honestly ... I don't think it's worth the effort of a witch hunt. Voss is Voss and will inevitably show his colors under whatever new identity he chooses. Give it time and he shoots himself in the foot. Granted, there will probably be some unsuspecting players caught in the middle of the clubbing but the wiser ones learn from it and the ones that share Voss's total lack of values or common sense needed a swift dozen kicks anyhow.
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Post by: DrDea on August 13, 2004, 08:04:51 PM
Naw the ones with any class whatsoever will boot his sorry bellybutton when he pops his head up again.The ones like Slo......Well...they will defend him and downplay it by calling people suckers.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: tapakeg on August 13, 2004, 11:41:32 PM
I just wanna help this thread to 2000 posts


Tapakeg
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Post by: DrDea on August 14, 2004, 12:10:44 AM
yea me too but while Voss is a scumbag for scammin a community,peolple like sloblo are TWICE the scum sucking POS that voss is for supporting his  ass.Thats right SLO.I called you a scumbag of the 10TH degree.cause if you cover for a POS like voss,your worse than he will EVER be.can I get an A men.
 Slo....you blo.:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Post by: DrDea on August 14, 2004, 12:13:11 AM
And you blo WILLINGLY
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Post by: DrDea on August 14, 2004, 12:16:15 AM
But I digress.Were just suckers right?
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Post by: DrDea on August 14, 2004, 12:18:03 AM
Oh wait.I have to say   VOSSSSSSS to get Sloblo to respond...Carry on.
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Post by: Naso on August 14, 2004, 02:04:54 AM
1912

The First world war approaches.
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Post by: Grimm on August 14, 2004, 08:45:26 AM
Arlo,  

Glad you posted that,  At least I know Im not Voss now  ;)  

So he is back in hiding now I guess.    Good work men!
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Post by: AW=B17= on August 14, 2004, 08:54:11 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Grimm
Arlo,  

Glad you posted that,  At least I know Im not Voss now  ;)  

So he is back in hiding now I guess.    Good work men!



Good.... I'd much rather be talking about the DoK scenario... May Voss the undead RIP (again) and Mr. Slo figure out that pushing a bad position only gets worse.

-W  (needs to go to work for 1/2 day - later doods)
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Post by: Airhead on August 14, 2004, 10:25:08 AM
Grimm, your score sucks- that's why your name was crossed off the list of potential Voss shades accounts.
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Post by: Grimm on August 14, 2004, 11:28:08 AM
Muhahahahahaha!!!!  

Good Observation Airhead!!    :)


Sucking and proud of it!
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Post by: AWMac on August 14, 2004, 11:34:20 AM
IN



Before Lock......


:D
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Post by: Naso on August 14, 2004, 11:39:43 AM
1918

The first World Slaughter has finished.

Millions of people has died in the mud and blood in the entrenchments of the western front.

Seeds will be soon planted for the second and bigger one.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Jasta on August 15, 2004, 04:27:00 PM
1919

Influenza ravages the globe...


Keep this going!
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Post by: DrDea on August 15, 2004, 04:52:38 PM
Brooklyn and Cleveland squared off on Sunday, October 10, 1920 for game 4 of the world series.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: hawker238 on August 15, 2004, 06:55:56 PM
1921 - Prohibition enacted/repealed?
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Lizking on August 15, 2004, 07:19:25 PM
1922-First air collision between a Daimler Airways DH 18 and a Grands Express Farman Goliat over Poix
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Post by: eskimo2 on August 15, 2004, 07:55:16 PM
1923 - Kanto/Tokyo/Yokahama gets whacked by a huge earthquake.

(http://www.japan-guide.com/a/earthquake/jpg/e10.jpg)

eskimo
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Post by: eskimo2 on August 15, 2004, 08:04:36 PM
1924 - 1st Olympic Winter Games - Chamonix, France

(http://multimedia.olympic.org/pic/thams_gal_l_01.jpg)

eskimo
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Post by: eskimo2 on August 15, 2004, 08:09:15 PM
1925 - Scopes Monkey Trial.
(http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/SCOPE2.JPG)

eskimo
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Post by: WilldCrd on August 15, 2004, 08:39:19 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AWMac
IN



Before Lock......


:D



LOL what lock? This thread has now attained self awareness It wont be locked and will never die!:rofl
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Post by: DrDea on August 15, 2004, 08:44:56 PM
LOL what lock? This thread has now attained self awareness



:rofl
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Post by: airbumba on August 15, 2004, 10:28:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by eskimo2
1925 - Scopes Monkey Trial.
(http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/SCOPE2.JPG)

eskimo


Whats the old man from 'Everyone loves Raymond ' doin there? Was he for or against the monkeys?
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Post by: Mini D on August 15, 2004, 10:41:24 PM
1929... the end of the roaring 20's in a bad way.
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Post by: AW=B17= on August 15, 2004, 10:41:25 PM
Quote
Originally posted by WilldCrd
LOL what lock? This thread has now attained self awareness It wont be locked and will never die!:rofl


Exactly.... this was an intersting and informative thread before the "post count weenies" decided to "game the numbers game".
 
Just leave it alone - it'll go in the direction it was meant to.  The best way to get it *locked* is to just make it a waste of bandwidth with BS posts designed to raise the count.

-W
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Post by: hawker238 on August 15, 2004, 10:53:23 PM
1931.... Nevada legalizes gambling..... big move.
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Post by: DrDea on August 15, 2004, 11:07:39 PM
Kick start...........VOSS!!!!!!!!! :)
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Post by: Arlo on August 15, 2004, 11:21:49 PM
What will we do, historically speaking, when we get to post 2005?

:eek:

Oh ... off top of head .... 1933 - Frank Tinker (SCW ace) and Tom Blackburn (VF-17 CO) graduate from Annapolis.
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Post by: Dune on August 16, 2004, 12:22:20 AM
July 22, 1934 - Outside Chicago, Illinois's Biograph Theatre, "Public Enemy No. 1" John Dillinger is mortally wounded by FBI agents.
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Post by: Holden McGroin on August 16, 2004, 12:33:34 AM
1935 Ethiopia invaded by Italy in October.

Time Magazine's Man of the Year Emperor Haile Sellassie pleads with the League of Nations for help and they pass a resolution.  "That should do it!" is the outcry from the league and the delegates retire for drinks.

Ethopia is doomed.
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Edbert on August 16, 2004, 09:42:48 AM
1936- Spanish Civil war, and battle testing for the Luftwaffe and the Bf109.
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Post by: slimm50 on August 16, 2004, 09:59:35 AM
WOW! Closing in on 2K post on this thread!





















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Post by: Edbert on August 16, 2004, 01:24:17 PM
1938 - Nazi Germany invades Austria (Anschluss)
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Post by: slimm50 on August 16, 2004, 02:50:30 PM
Quote
Originally posted by eskimo2
1925 - Scopes Monkey Trial.
(http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/SCOPE2.JPG)

eskimo

Hey, is that Peter Boyle on the right??
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Post by: Westy on August 16, 2004, 03:22:13 PM
1940



Ben Affleck single handedly saved the British Isles from the Hun horde!
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Post by: Edbert on August 16, 2004, 03:31:55 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Westy
1940



Ben Affleck single handedly saved the British Isles from the Hun horde!

LMAO!

And one year later managed to take off in a P40 from a heavilly vulched airfield and get numerous kills while outclimbing zekes from less than D150.

1941!
Title: The VOSS CONSPIRACY... fascinating new book
Post by: Hornet on August 16, 2004, 07:50:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Tex
I just sent Ghost a message to get over here and say hello also. :)

Tex
unless work interferes I'll be at the Con this year, you making it in?


sorry for the delay Tex been away and this thread still movin a good bit . No con this year, work situation a bit unsettled at the moment, tho its something on my longer term To-do list :)

return to the punting..
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Post by: DJ111 on August 16, 2004, 07:56:09 PM
July 28, 1943 Italian Facist dictator Benito Mussolini resigns
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Post by: Tex on August 16, 2004, 10:07:43 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Hornet
sorry for the delay Tex been away and this thread still movin a good bit . No con this year, work situation a bit unsettled at the moment, tho its something on my longer term To-do list :)

return to the punting..


no worries, will meet up one of these years. :)

if a thread is snatched away and yet someone has tried to punt it can we call the snatcher a Lucy?

Tex
silent lucy idiocy
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Post by: 1K3 on August 16, 2004, 11:44:34 PM
1945!

-The Soviets sieged the Reichstag, WWII ends

(http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/vy75/pictures/kursk.jpg)
STALIN: NOT ONE STEP BACK!


(http://www.bredalsparken.dk/~soren-kretzschmer/berlin_1945.jpg)
SLAVA!



(http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/kg_011_3/index.jpg)




-US Army Air Force B-29s delivered hell to the Japs

(http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/b29-2_300.jpg)


(http://www.aerofiles.com/b29-cockpit.jpg)


(http://www.kolumbus.fi/d.rajala/Atomic%20Bomb%20--%20dabomb3.jpg)
KABOOM!





THIS THREAD SHOULD END!!!

:D
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Post by: Grits on August 16, 2004, 11:47:06 PM
1946, the Blue Angels Navy flight exibition team forms, and the Air Force has been playing catchup ever since. :)
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Post by: Coolridr on August 16, 2004, 11:47:30 PM
1946 relations begin to "cool" between the USA and USSR marking the beginnings of what will be the "Cold War"


edit : damn must have been a half second too slow!:D
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Post by: 1K3 on August 16, 2004, 11:51:49 PM
ok then...


1947

CHUCK YEAGER BREAKS THE SOUND BARRIER!!!

(http://www.edwards.af.mil/history/images/x-1.jpg)


:D
Title: 1949
Post by: 1K3 on August 16, 2004, 11:57:56 PM
NATO WAS FOUNDED

(http://www.zanato.com/pics/nato-flags.jpg)

-English

The North Atlantic Treaty

Washington D.C. - 4 April 1949
The Parties to this Treaty reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and all governments.
They are determined to safeguard the freedom, common heritage and civilisation of their peoples, founded on the principles of democracy, individual liberty and the rule of law. They seek to promote stability and well-being in the North Atlantic area.
They are resolved to unite their efforts for collective defence and for the preservation of peace and security. They therefore agree to this North Atlantic Treaty :

Article 1

The Parties undertake, as set forth in the Charter of the United Nations, to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.
Article 2

The Parties will contribute toward the further development of peaceful and friendly international relations by strengthening their free institutions, by bringing about a better understanding of the principles upon which these institutions are founded, and by promoting conditions of stability and well-being. They will seek to eliminate conflict in their international economic policies and will encourage economic collaboration between any or all of them.
Article 3

In order more effectively to achieve the objectives of this Treaty, the Parties, separately and jointly, by means of continuous and effective self-help and mutual aid, will maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack.
Article 4

The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.
Article 5

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .

Article 6 (1)

For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France (2), on the territory of or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.
Article 7

This Treaty does not affect, and shall not be interpreted as affecting in any way the rights and obligations under the Charter of the Parties which are members of the United Nations, or the primary responsibility of the Security Council for the maintenance of international peace and security.
Article 8

Each Party declares that none of the international engagements now in force between it and any other of the Parties or any third State is in conflict with the provisions of this Treaty, and undertakes not to enter into any international engagement in conflict with this Treaty.
Article 9

The Parties hereby establish a Council, on which each of them shall be represented, to consider matters concerning the implementation of this Treaty. The Council shall be so organised as to be able to meet promptly at any time. The Council shall set up such subsidiary bodies as may be necessary; in particular it shall establish immediately a defence committee which shall recommend measures for the implementation of Articles 3 and 5.
Article 10

The Parties may, by unanimous agreement, invite any other European State in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area to accede to this Treaty. Any State so invited may become a Party to the Treaty by depositing its instrument of accession with the Government of the United States of America. The Government of the United States of America will inform each of the Parties of the deposit of each such instrument of accession.
Article 11

This Treaty shall be ratified and its provisions carried out by the Parties in accordance with their respective constitutional processes. The instruments of ratification shall be deposited as soon as possible with the Government of the United States of America, which will notify all the other signatories of each deposit. The Treaty shall enter into force between the States which have ratified it as soon as the ratifications of the majority of the signatories, including the ratifications of Belgium, Canada, France, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom and the United States, have been deposited and shall come into effect with respect to other States on the date of the deposit of their ratifications. (3)
Article 12

After the Treaty has been in force for ten years, or at any time thereafter, the Parties shall, if any of them so requests, consult together for the purpose of reviewing the Treaty, having regard for the factors then affecting peace and security in the North Atlantic area, including the development of universal as well as regional arrangements under the Charter of the United Nations for the maintenance of international peace and security.
Article 13

After the Treaty has been in force for twenty years, any Party may cease to be a Party one year after its notice of denunciation has been given to the Government of the United States of America, which will inform the Governments of the other Parties of the deposit of each notice of denunciation.
Article 14

This Treaty, of which the English and French texts are equally authentic, shall be deposited in the archives of the Government of the United States of America. Duly certified copies will be transmitted by that Government to the Governments of other signatories.

(Damn Frenchies!!!:rofl .... they withdrew the NATO in '61, they think the have da best weapons and all that watermelon like the Magenot line!)

:D
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Post by: 1K3 on August 17, 2004, 12:04:35 AM
oh wait...


1950


Korean War Starts

(http://www.kimsoft.com/korea/hung6.jpg)

The Yanks entered the war under the UN banner.

:)
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Post by: phookat on August 17, 2004, 01:11:04 PM
Come on folks. :)

1951.  A Streetcar named Desire.  Marlon Brando.  Vivien Leigh.
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Post by: Jackal1 on August 17, 2004, 02:04:15 PM
1952, the year the best looking guy in the U.S. was born. :D
  Is it possible that the "subject" of this thread is lurking on general forums under a new name that appeared about the time this thread was started? :D
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Post by: 1K3 on August 17, 2004, 03:03:50 PM
1953

This is a tribute to the 50+ million Europeans who died under "Uncle Joe's" reign...

(http://stdensetsu.homestead.com/files/blogfiles/stalin.jpg)
(http://college.hmco.com/history/west/mosaic/chapter15/images/stalin.jpg)
(http://www.andkon.com/stuf/mozillapics/stalin.gif)
(http://www.punatahdet.com/kuvat/stalin.jpg)
(http://design.origami.free.fr/halle/Photos/VIP%201/Stalin.jpg)
(http://www.kpd-ml.net/stalin%20werke/Stalin%20schreibt.jpg)
(http://www.luffa.nu/shock/bild/stalin.jpg)
(http://www.shalomnewyork.com/free/77/images/stalin_1953_1.jpg)
(http://www.precisiondiagnostics.net/Graphics/misconceptions/junklicplate.jpg)
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Post by: Guppy35 on August 17, 2004, 03:04:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
1952, the year the best looking guy in the U.S. was born. :D
  Is it possible that the "subject" of this thread is lurking on general forums under a new name that appeared about the time this thread was started? :D



I was wondering the same thing.  Interesting timing to say the least.

Dan/Slack
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Post by: Edbert on August 17, 2004, 03:10:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
1952, the year the best looking guy in the U.S. was born. :D
  Is it possible that the "subject" of this thread is lurking on general forums under a new name that appeared about the time this thread was started? :D

You old fart!

heh, not only is it possible, I'd say its likely. In fact I bet he has 4-8 different logons to this BBS already, and thats in addition to his in-game accounts.
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Post by: Mini D on August 17, 2004, 04:09:36 PM
Uh-oh...

New "forum rules" could put this thread in jeoprody. Get em in while you can.
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Post by: DrDea on August 17, 2004, 04:13:13 PM
New forum rules??????  I think this one is way beyond that.This is a public service announcement with a chitload of filler.The message still gets across tho.:aok :aok
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Post by: B17Skull12 on August 17, 2004, 04:22:38 PM
almost to 2000! w00t!
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Post by: crowMAW on August 17, 2004, 04:25:49 PM
I bet this thread gets the boot before 2000 posts...

:(
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Post by: GtoRA2 on August 17, 2004, 04:34:23 PM
1K3
 Are you trying to imply something by having Bush's picture in with Stalins?
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Post by: SLO on August 17, 2004, 05:07:37 PM
only 40 to go, too easy
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Post by: 1K3 on August 17, 2004, 05:09:35 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GtoRA2
1K3
 Are you trying to imply something by having Bush's picture in with Stalins?


sry, i guess i overlooked, i'll edit him out:)


btw.... '61

The First Man in space (USSR)...
 (It's hard for me to swallow this...)

(http://www.spaceistheplace.ca/gagarin1.jpg)

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Post by: SLO on August 17, 2004, 05:12:19 PM
Quote
Originally posted by AW=B17=
As a matter of fact we (I can say we here?) generally think just that. I think we've come to accept that people exaggerate certain facets of thier real life personae in order to be "interesting" or "colorfull",  but I can assure you that the sim community that *I* know about detests liers and downright HATES people who lie for money.

For example when you said you were busy with work, I BELIEVED you, even though I first thought that you merely went away because you had enough beating for one lifetime.  Now why don't you go have a long listen to Motley Clue for a while and try to figgure out *which* facet of your real life personae it is *you've* exaggerated.

(Hint, it's the part you wipe)

-W


then you hate pretty much everyone who exists on earth, cause everyone lies little buddy, can you smell the flowers now.

who cares if you believe me or not, its certainly not a prerequisite to post on this BBS.

and again for that beating part, you are DELUSIONAL.
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Post by: SLO on August 17, 2004, 05:19:30 PM
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Originally posted by DrDea
Naw the ones with any class whatsoever will boot his sorry bellybutton when he pops his head up again.The ones like Slo......Well...they will defend him and downplay it by calling people suckers.


yup if calling people losers for actually falling into a pathetic liars trap is defending Voss, so be it. But in the future, get your facts straight.

and again, it was provin he lied, but where is the proof of MONEY that was Xchanged, all we saw was finger pointing, no facts, so going all out on a pathetic liar gives you a hard on, enjoy it. And it seems alot of you circle of jerks fanboys get turned on by pathetic liars.
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Post by: SLO on August 17, 2004, 05:27:41 PM
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Of course not, I'm just in the thread because of your anti-breakfast machismo rant.

-Sik



Sik, its your nature to follow others, and do as others do, your a little man with alot of envy, keep following and keep posting useless comments.
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Post by: SLO on August 17, 2004, 05:40:33 PM
Quote from PYRO


4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.

Liar


5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not
allowed.

another lie......

hey AW=B17=, since you don't like liars, and you said most in this community also, guess you don't like Dale, he likes to lie when there's an axe to grind or when it suits his needs:aok

justify that one nutcase:cool:
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Post by: Lizard3 on August 17, 2004, 05:45:47 PM
OHW OHW OHW!

I'm IN on that one. Someones trying to get the manacles put on this one.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 17, 2004, 06:03:06 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
Quote from PYRO


4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.

Liar


5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not
allowed.

another lie......

hey AW=B17=, since you don't like liars, and you said most in this community also, guess you don't like Dale, he likes to lie when there's an axe to grind or when it suits his needs:aok

justify that one nutcase:cool:


Wow.

I think SLO just hung a big "kick me" sign on the front of his pants.
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Post by: phookat on August 17, 2004, 06:04:07 PM
1969

(http://www.xmission.com/~kkant/Jump_1.JPG)

Yeehaw!
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 17, 2004, 06:08:25 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
yup if calling people losers for actually falling into a pathetic liars trap is defending Voss, so be it. But in the future, get your facts straight.
 


Yes ... facts ... like, SLO would never say someone was taken in by Voss who wasn't even playing the game at the time the whole thing went down ... right? Or did you forget your own lies? We haven't ... and I do mean "we."

Tsk, tsk, SLO ... your own words come back to bite you like a Moray Eel slithering it's way up your sphincter, then merily gnashing it's way through your bowel and slurping down your intestines like so much spaghetti.

Quit while you're behind.

Are we at 2000 yet?
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Post by: SLO on August 17, 2004, 06:12:18 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Wow.

I think SLO just hung a big "kick me" sign on the front of his pants.




The word here is 'JUSTIFY' why this thread was not locked, cause those 2 quotes seem too indicate that it should of been locked a long long time ago, just the title would of been enough. So Mr. Bonzo, since you're soo smart, justify it. Lets see your witty brains at work.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 17, 2004, 06:17:13 PM
I ain't gotta justify nothing.

The fact that you would post that ... and call HT and Pyro liars ... on their own BBS, no less ... shows an incredible lack of situational awareness. "Stupid" doesn't even come close to covering it ... that'd be like saying Saddam was "moody."
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Post by: SLO on August 17, 2004, 06:18:59 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Yes ... facts ... like, SLO would never say someone was taken in by Voss who wasn't even playing the game at the time the whole thing went down ... right? Or did you forget your own lies? We haven't ... and I do mean "we."

Tsk, tsk, SLO ... your own words come back to bite you like a Moray Eel slithering it's way up your sphincter, then merily gnashing it's way through your bowel and slurping down your intestines like so much spaghetti.

Quit while you're behind.

Are we at 2000 yet?


This is not about you my self-righteous ego maniac. You're just not important enough bonzo for me too correct such a mistake ;)

and BTW, even though you were not involved in this scam of lies, yet you still took your shoots at Voss, so in my book I made no mistake.:aok

maybe you should quite cause you sure ain't showing that supposedly superior intellect of yours.
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Post by: Scrap on August 17, 2004, 06:19:16 PM
Hey DoK! how is the NUTTZ/DoK terrain coming?  I really like what I've seen so far :aok
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Post by: SLO on August 17, 2004, 06:20:13 PM
25 to go
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 17, 2004, 06:21:09 PM
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Originally posted by Scrap
Hey DoK! how is the NUTTZ/DoK terrain coming?  I really like what I've seen so far :aok


We haven't worked on that in years.

Right now my time will be spent on the Rangoon event.

After that, who knows?
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Post by: SLO on August 17, 2004, 06:22:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I ain't gotta justify nothing.

The fact that you would post that ... and call HT and Pyro liars ... on their own BBS, no less ... shows an incredible lack of situational awareness. "Stupid" doesn't even come close to covering it ... that'd be like saying Saddam was "moody."


unlike you little man I ain't afraid of the word TRUTH, its right in front of your eyes and yet you chose too ignore it, in my book that makes you a willing ignorant scared little boy.
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Post by: Scrap on August 17, 2004, 06:23:09 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
We haven't worked on that in years.

Right now my time will be spent on the Rangoon event.

After that, who knows?


Years? Heh.. I thought that was somethin new when I was perusing your site.  It looks like a really fun map.  Any chance it might get finished?
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 17, 2004, 06:25:51 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
...

and BTW, even though you were not involved in this scam of lies, yet you still took your shoots at Voss, so in my book I made no mistake.

...


A lie is a lie is a lie, SLO. Surely you must understand that. Well, maybe not.

As for my shots at the guy you dress up like a sheep for, I know everyone involved you 'tard ... I knew them before WB's even ... so I can take my shots.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 17, 2004, 06:32:07 PM
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Originally posted by Scrap
Years? Heh.. I thought that was somethin new when I was perusing your site.  It looks like a really fun map.  Any chance it might get finished?


The date on that article is March 2001.

NUTTZ mentioned that he had things finished, but testing a beast like this and getting all the new details for AH2 (roads and stuff) will probably be a pretty big chore.

I think it'd still be a killer terrain for the MA - giving each country their own kind of motif. A real sense of going into "enemy territory" once you start capturing fields. But it'd be a real fight as there's space between things and guarding terrain (mtn ranges, oceans, etc.).
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Post by: Scrap on August 17, 2004, 06:40:05 PM
Ha! 01... 04 all looks the same at a quick glance.  

I totally agree.  That map would rule in the MA.  Wish I knew a bit about making/editing terrain,
then I could offer to help.
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Post by: Jackal1 on August 17, 2004, 06:53:37 PM
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
You old fart!

heh, not only is it possible, I'd say its likely. In fact I bet he has 4-8 different logons to this BBS already, and thats in addition to his in-game accounts.


  Wheew the damage and recovery team sure went into hyper mode after that was posted didn`t it. :D



OH and 1K3 do you think it might be possible to keep the images you post down to........Oh let`s say the size of Dallas or something along them lines?
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 17, 2004, 07:02:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
unlike you little man I ain't afraid of the word TRUTH, its right in front of your eyes and yet you chose too ignore it, in my book that makes you a willing ignorant scared little boy.


It's hard to imagine anyone more clueless than you.

(By the way, congrats on being made your local NAMBLA chapter president.)
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Post by: SLO on August 17, 2004, 07:12:40 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
It's hard to imagine anyone more clueless than you.


spare me your insignificant ramblings, its right in front of you, and you choose to ignore it, then you have the stupidity of calling me clueless. You may be witty but you sure ain't to bright.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 17, 2004, 07:15:16 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
spare me your insignificant ramblings, its right in front of you, and you choose to ignore it, then you have the stupidity of calling me clueless. You may be witty but you sure ain't to bright.


OK, SLO, since I'm so stoooopid, please elaborate on how HTC lies to its customers. Pretty pleeeeease .... ahahahhaa
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Post by: 1K3 on August 17, 2004, 07:15:17 PM
AHEM!

we're going "OFF TOPIC" now...

:)
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 17, 2004, 07:19:34 PM
Quote
Originally posted by 1K3
AHEM!

we're going "OFF TOPIC" now...

:)


OK. VOSS!
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Post by: NUTTZ on August 17, 2004, 07:27:08 PM
Yea, DrGonzo didn't realize that there where only 6 tiles to work from. The idea was great, the map I still have, it would take sometime to convert it for MA qualifications. I really am waiting UNTIL we can edit the tiles which can not be done at this time. Doc's map wouldn't trully shine with the current default tiles.

But I still have it!

NUTTZ

Quote
Originally posted by DoKGonZo
The date on that article is March 2001.

NUTTZ mentioned that he had things finished, but testing a beast like this and getting all the new details for AH2 (roads and stuff) will probably be a pretty big chore.

I think it'd still be a killer terrain for the MA - giving each country their own kind of motif. A real sense of going into "enemy territory" once you start capturing fields. But it'd be a real fight as there's space between things and guarding terrain (mtn ranges, oceans, etc.).
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Post by: Seeker on August 17, 2004, 07:27:28 PM
How can HTC ban cheaters if they can't ban Voss?
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Post by: SLO on August 17, 2004, 07:32:04 PM
Edit for flaiming, and trying to be a modirator.
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 17, 2004, 07:34:18 PM
Quote
Originally posted by NUTTZ
Yea, DrGonzo didn't realize that there where only 6 tiles to work from. The idea was great, the map I still have, it would take sometime to convert it for MA qualifications. I really am waiting UNTIL we can edit the tiles which can not be done at this time. Doc's map wouldn't trully shine with the current default tiles.

But I still have it!

NUTTZ


Cool.

I think the new terrain editor just was released, but lets hold off until after Rangoon.

PM me your email so we can coordinate. I tried emailing you through the BBS but I don't know if you got it. ..... oops, PM'ing is turned off ... use the Contact form on my site to get me your email address instead.

     -DoK
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Post by: SLO on August 17, 2004, 07:35:02 PM
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Originally posted by 1K3
AHEM!

we're going "OFF TOPIC" now...

:)


always was and always will be, now what was the topic again?

wait a minute, wasn't it an ATTACK ON SOMEONE's PERSON, but no it can't be true
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Post by: SLO on August 17, 2004, 07:36:05 PM
7 to go
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Post by: DoKGonZo on August 17, 2004, 07:38:46 PM
Edit for flame continuation
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Post by: SLO on August 17, 2004, 07:52:04 PM
Flaim edit
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Post by: DrDea on August 17, 2004, 07:56:55 PM
The new regs just started.Therefore this thread got in under the Grandfather clause.From the point it is implemented there should be acceptance of said rules and the topic should be alowed to hit 2000 and then burried under 50 ft of case hardend steel until it is dusted off and brought out again,with reverance and awe in about 6 months.:aok
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Post by: 1K3 on August 17, 2004, 08:01:41 PM
AMEN!

:)
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Post by: Waffle on August 17, 2004, 08:05:32 PM
2000 gonna be a tough one to beat
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Post by: Waffle on August 17, 2004, 08:06:47 PM
so lets get it over..
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Post by: Waffle on August 17, 2004, 08:07:18 PM
already. :)
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Post by: Maverick on August 17, 2004, 08:08:16 PM
2000, yawn.
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Post by: Sikboy on August 17, 2004, 08:08:41 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Maverick
2000, yawn.


Yer slow... yawn.

-Sik
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Post by: SLO on August 17, 2004, 08:12:35 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Sikboy
Yer slow... yawn.

-Sik


no I'm Slo, and your dumb:aok

2000 is here and I'm gone.
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Post by: Sikboy on August 17, 2004, 08:14:17 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
no I'm Slo-witted, and your dumb:aok

2000 is here and I'm gone.


I keep thinking that's going to happen, and yet... there you are.

-Sik
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Post by: B17Skull12 on August 17, 2004, 08:15:44 PM
2000!:D

LONGEST THREAD EVAR!
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Post by: 1K3 on August 17, 2004, 08:21:41 PM
2006

This thread is LOCKED, sealed, burried, and shall not be resurected by our grand daughters and sons.

:D
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Post by: hitech on August 17, 2004, 08:23:43 PM
I get the last word on the 2k thread. Time for it to end.