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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: lyric1 on September 04, 2010, 01:35:13 PM
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OK I think this aircraft will fall under the 190A-5 category? I have two of the same photo but from two different books plus a profile.
So who ever wants to do it claim it now.
One request though please if you can't do this skin justice don't claim it because you want credit for a cool Luft skin.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan4-16.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/fw190a3.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/sharkmouth190a3-1.png)
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That is a good find....it looks like a clown.
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The A-3 is a bit of a stretch on the A-5 airframe. We might have one already skinned, but the early models were a little bit different.
Also, with the small position of the mouth, it would stretch horribly. I know this because I skinned Herman Graff's tulip-pattern onto that plane! It's a left-and-right stretch so you would have no details whatsoever in this area. At best you could do the eyes. That isn't too impressive.
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I wonder if HTC will fix the 3D modeling of the engine cowling on the 190 radials? They look a bit too blocky. If so, it might help tame the stretching issues that you skinners have on the nose of the plane. Neat plane profile, lyric1!
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That is a good find....it looks like a clown.
Does look rather cheeky.
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they do seem to smile at ya..
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_QRss1Vd6oWM/TAhrBIXTSMI/AAAAAAAAAKA/Wh5HqiYAyDk/s1152/OAA9_p21s.jpg)
Have another
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_QRss1Vd6oWM/TAjjxn2b90I/AAAAAAAAAKw/uIq9lt8df5Y/s1152/Rodeike_p100sr.jpg)
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_QRss1Vd6oWM/TAhsQ_nBJUI/AAAAAAAAAKM/21sQfX7htN8/s1152/DKR13_p50s.jpg)
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Looking at it more, it reminds me of one of the kid rides at the fair.
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It mentions training school, and fledglings. I'd bet it's not a combat plane. Also it's an A-1 despite what the captions above say, you can see this. The A-1 didn't have the MG151/20s ready, so the inboard guns were 7m MG17s. It had 4 synchronized MG17s and 2 outboard MG/FFs. On top of that the A-1 was a very different plane from the A-5 we have in game.
I'd say it doesn't even remotely fit, based on all this.
EDIT: Correction, the first one was an A-1, that's what I was thinking of. The one below that (in Megalodon's post) has MG151/20s, and the one below that is some bastardized censored/airbrushed version of the plane that doesn't even resemble a Fw190.
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It mentions training school, and fledglings. I'd bet it's not a combat plane. Also it's an A-1 despite what the captions above say, you can see this. The A-1 didn't have the MG151/20s ready, so the inboard guns were 7m MG17s. It had 4 synchronized MG17s and 2 outboard MG/FFs. On top of that the A-1 was a very different plane from the A-5 we have in game.
I'd say it doesn't even remotely fit, based on all this.
EDIT: Correction, the first one was an A-1, that's what I was thinking of. The one below that (in Megalodon's post) has MG151/20s, and the one below that is some bastardized censored/airbrushed version of the plane that doesn't even resemble a Fw190.
Well, we've got P-47D-30 skins on the P-47D-40, P-47C skins on the P-47D11, F6F-3 skins on the F6F-5, etc. I figure if HTC will let that kind of stuff slide, then what's the matter with an A-1/3 skin on an A-5?
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The early Fw190s had severe engine issues, overheating, teething problems... Their speed was slower and their boost was lower. On top of that the A-1s had a mere fraction of the firepower that the A-5 would have available.
It would be akin to putting a 109E-7 skin on a 109F-4 airframe.
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Another picture I found with similar markings. The picture was captioned France 1942? For what that is worth.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/1-Fw-190A-II_JG1-France-1942-01.jpg)
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The early Fw190s had severe engine issues, overheating, teething problems... Their speed was slower and their boost was lower. On top of that the A-1s had a mere fraction of the firepower that the A-5 would have available.
It would be akin to putting a 109E-7 skin on a 109F-4 airframe.
The F6F-3 didn't have water injection, nor did the P-47C or the early D's. The D-23 skins we have in the D-11 pool had substantially better performance than the D-11 out of the factory. About the only thing that stayed consistent was airframe and gun armament.
Just saying that, given HTCs previous flexibility on other models, you could probably make a case for this skin, especially since it has a unique, interesting look that would bring something new to the 190A5 skin collection.
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A5 already has quite a few skins, and while i'm all for new ones, i'd prefer that they be actual A5 skins, not the kid-touching clown look of that A1. it's not scary looking, it's creepy! it looks like it's dying to give you some candy and invite you inside....weeeeeeird
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Stoney, I get what you're saying... But I think some airframes are very different and others are very similar. As the Fw190 is one of my favorite planes in WW2 (not just in this game) I would say it is very different, personally, in this case. Maybe I'm a bit biased, maybe not.
Plus the other side of it is the training ride (non-combat), and the fact that it really couldn't be skinned well to begin with (stretching), overall the entire package is a big "no" for me in regards to how it qualifies for AH.
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Stoney, I get what you're saying... But I think some airframes are very different and others are very similar. As the Fw190 is one of my favorite planes in WW2 (not just in this game) I would say it is very different, personally, in this case. Maybe I'm a bit biased, maybe not.
Plus the other side of it is the training ride (non-combat), and the fact that it really couldn't be skinned well to begin with (stretching), overall the entire package is a big "no" for me in regards to how it qualifies for AH.
The training part is a little in question I think. Some web sites state that it is unknown if that particular aircraft was a full time trainer or not that Megaoldon posted? The aircraft I posted is not the same as his. Personally I don't care much either way I shall leave it to the skinners & HTC to decide it's fate.
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Well it's clearly an A-1 (no inboard MG/FF). No A-1 would be sent into combat in its war-weary state when A-4s, A-5s, A-6s were fresh off the factor and more capable in weapons packs, in performance, and overall lethality.
That's why I buy that it was a trainer. As you say, there's some serious question. I prefer NOT to leave it up to HTC to do the due diligence, because many times a skin has been proposed, suggested, planned, that has no business being in-game (all-yellow 190A5 that never existed, Orange Ta-152 that was for 1 single ferry flight, black P-38, some others).
I think, frankly, that it's up to us to do the researching and checking and sell it to a skeptical HTC. Granted my early skins were more of a "ooh, I made a skin!" type of experience, but I've improved a great deal since then and try to research my subjects thoroughly. Some others I notice do not. I think it is very much our place to criticize a choice of skin subject if it is not valid, questionable, or did nothing for the war (i.e. state-side trainer skin for a P-40E)
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Well it's clearly an A-1 (no inboard MG/FF). No A-1 would be sent into combat in its war-weary state when A-4s, A-5s, A-6s were fresh off the factor and more capable in weapons packs, in performance, and overall lethality.
That's why I buy that it was a trainer. As you say, there's some serious question. I prefer NOT to leave it up to HTC to do the due diligence, because many times a skin has been proposed, suggested, planned, that has no business being in-game (all-yellow 190A5 that never existed, Orange Ta-152 that was for 1 single ferry flight, black P-38, some others).
I think, frankly, that it's up to us to do the researching and checking and sell it to a skeptical HTC. Granted my early skins were more of a "ooh, I made a skin!" type of experience, but I've improved a great deal since then and try to research my subjects thoroughly. Some others I notice do not. I think it is very much our place to criticize a choice of skin subject if it is not valid, questionable, or did nothing for the war (i.e. state-side trainer skin for a P-40E)
Fair enough I know very little about 190's So if the community says it is a no go so be it. Again the plane you are talking about is not the same as the one I posted though my post only lists unit & location of North Germany April 1942. Megalondon is stationed at Drucat France March 1942.
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That is not a good look for a 190. No way german pilots allowed that on their planes.
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That is not a good look for a 190. No way german pilots allowed that on their planes.
First rule of any Military is you do what your told. So if they were presented with those aircraft to fly guess what? They flew them.