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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: lyric1 on July 10, 2011, 01:53:34 PM
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Not sure what models will or wont be allowed on the E model so I have thrown a few that I have on here. Any one know as of yet what will be permitted?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Untitled-6-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p409-2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p408-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p4018-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p4019-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan17-4.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/tyu.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p407-2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p406-2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p405-2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p404-2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p403-2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p402-1-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p4012.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p4013.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p4014.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p4015.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p4016.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p4017.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P409-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P408-1-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P407-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P406-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P405-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P404-1-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P403-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P402-2-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P401-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P40.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/chogs1-4-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/chogs-4-1.jpg)
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I wanna do the AVG.....that's the plane I always loved growing up, I am psyched for it :rock
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Wow what happened I cropped all those profiles & when I checked they were fine & now they are all as I began strange. :headscratch:
Edit: weird thing just on my end I guess with photo bucket.
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Gordon Hydes P40 reminds me of te 80th FS 38j. I can't skin planes for my life, I hope someone will so it :)
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I hope this one gets re-done. :pray
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/Untitled-3.png)
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Some 5Th airforce profiles.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40m-2-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40m-1-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40n-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40q-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p400-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40a-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40b-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40d-1-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40k-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40l-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40g-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40f-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40c-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40c-2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40e-1-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40e-1-2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40h-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40h-2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40x-1.jpg)
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The key to all this is whether we get any other variants beyond the E model.
If not, then will skinning Merlin 40s and P40Ns be allowed on the E model?
I for one hope we have more variants so the skins can be placed on accurate models of the 40. Just looking at all the P40N profiles available speaks to this. All those white tail, star and bar PTO 40s are N models too. E's were gone by that time.
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I want them all!!! :cry
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I might try skinning one of the desert RCAF skins, always thought they looked good.
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Or I could try "sweet Laurie I"
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82sqn aboriginie downing the zero with a boomerang is classic :D :aok
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All those white tail, star and bar PTO 40s are N models too. E's were gone by that time.
Your just going to have to go RAAF for white tail E's then. :D
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I really hope to see some North Africa RAF skins and for sure some white tailed RAAF skins from the 1943 "slot" campaigns. My grandfather's bomber squadron was always escorted by Aussie white tailed P40's.
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I would like it if they added the K and the N and corrected the modeling on the E. :pray
I like all of the SharkMouth rides.....Naturally :cool:
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I like the "STUD" the best...make that one.
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The key to all this is whether we get any other variants beyond the E model.
If not, then will skinning Merlin 40s and P40Ns be allowed on the E model?
If not, then yes.
We don't have them now, but these are allowed on the current E model. The overall performance was very similar across all versions. The only mark that stands apart being potential N skins.
If we don't get any new models, business as usual. If we DO get new models, then we just skin for them. Perfectly logical, no? :aok
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I like the "STUD" the best...make that one.
That is in our current line up now.:aok
It should not be there though it was a personal ride for the CO it was never used in combat.
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Quite so, however at the time it was skinned the skinner didn't know that. It's just one of those things that hasn't been removed from the skins lineup, like a certain F4u and some Fw's.
Look how many years it took to remove the black P-38!
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I like the "Stud" one as well. :D
In-game it is the 325FG/319FS by Octavius
Edit: Typo to the max! :o
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Just in case there is any doubt about it.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan4-16-1.jpg)
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I like the "STUD" the best...make that one.
+1 That skin made my jaw drop
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As previously stated, we have that skin.
Look at my previous post. :aok
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As previously stated, we have that skin.
Look at my previous post. :aok
In case you didn't know, the P-40 is being remodeled, and hey, guess what that means?!?!
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That it won't go bye bye! :D
shhhhhh I know the real answer. Just let meh dreammmmm :D :D :D
:rolleyes: :)
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Some more that I have as well as a few colour photos.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/aleut_3.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/aleut_2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/aleut_1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/aleut_4.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Curtiss_P40E_11FS_Dev.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Curtiss_Kit1A_154IAP_Dev.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Curtiss_Kit1A_112Sqn_Dev.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Curtiss_Kit1A_75Sqn_Dev.jpg)
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such a bad bellybutton looking plane
I think it is the meanest looking of all the WW2 birds :rock
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Like this one. :aok
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P40E_USA_9FS_2.jpg)
http://www.aerothentic.com/photos/noseart/p-40/p40-longhorn.html
http://www.ozatwar.com/ozcrashes/qld265.htm
http://asisbiz.com/il2/P-40/P-40E-49FG9FS-Landers.html
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While skins are open to a lot of interpretation, that is one that I felt was far too dark as we had it in-game:
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/p40e/skin14.jpg)
At least we get to redo some of them. Some looked a little fuzzy, others a bit dark. Now we get to do it again! :)
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While skins are open to a lot of interpretation, that is one that I felt was far too dark as we had it in-game:
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/p40e/skin14.jpg)
At least we get to redo some of them. Some looked a little fuzzy, others a bit dark. Now we get to do it again! :)
Did not know that was already in game. I guess just flying RAAF skins limits my looking choices. I will miss Rogerdee's 77TH fighter squadron hopefully he will redo it.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/skin15.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40eraaf.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P405-1.jpg)
http://www.cybermodeler.com/history/meteor/cresswell.shtml
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/pund48025preview_1-1.jpg)
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I wouldn't mind doing Hep Cat from 75 Sqn.
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I wouldn't mind doing Hep Cat from 75 Sqn.
I have pics on that plane will dig up some more for you.
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I have two photos of it right now. One a good shot of the left nose with an Alan Thompson standing atop it. Then an inflight shot of Hep Cat leading a four-ship of 75 Sqn P-40s. Others would be appreciated though. :)
I hadn't before seen the profile you posted earlier. It mentioned that Hep Cat had blue and white wheel hubs, but it doesn't show it in the profile.
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I'm not sure you had enough ideas, lyric... geez!
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I'm not sure you had enough ideas, lyric... geez!
I can fix that problem :D
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I have two photos of it right now. One a good shot of the left nose with an Alan Thompson standing atop it. Then an inflight shot of Hep Cat leading a four-ship of 75 Sqn P-40s. Others would be appreciated though. :)
I hadn't before seen the profile you posted earlier. It mentioned that Hep Cat had blue and white wheel hubs, but it doesn't show it in the profile.
This link has a bunch of photos of Hep Cat you will have to sort through them.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64671666@N06/5900488457/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64671666@N06/5893754414/in/photostream/
Right side.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64671666@N06/5893184241/in/photostream/
Looks as if the radiator & tip of tail where repainted as well.
Wheel cover shot as well.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64671666@N06/5893185841/in/photostream/
This will explain the paint change.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/OG2324.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40raaf.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P402-2-1.jpg)
Bottom line is you have two different pilots & they did some paint work variations question is what colour was the tip of tail & radiator trim? I am guessing blue like the spinner. The source of the photo & profile is this book. Volume II.
http://www.google.com/search?q=raaf+camouflage+%26+markings+geoffrey+pentland&hl=en&rlz=1T4GGHP_enUS434US435&prmd=ivnso&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=vy4mTvCdMoH4gAeHtbVc&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CAwQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=657
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I hadn't before seen the profile you posted earlier. It mentioned that Hep Cat had blue and white wheel hubs, but it doesn't show it in the profile.
It does. :aok
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P402-2-1-1.jpg)
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I have those books, if anyone needs any info, feel free to contact me.
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Lots of great photos on that Flickr account. Thanks for tracking it down. There's a place reserved in heaven for people who upload the original sized scans of the original photos.
The top left photo here is the other one I had.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64671666@N06/5900094297/in/photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64671666@N06/5900094297/in/photostream)
Looks like they had a camo pattern on the wings and horizontals sort of similar to one like this..
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/Hep%20Cat/NNModel.jpg)
It does. :aok
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P402-2-1-1.jpg)
I noticed that but they don't generally paint the inside of the wheels, so I was a bit confused. ;) The blue/white hubs are easily seen in the links you posted though.
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That camo was also found on B-17s and other craft as well.
I would caution a bit of deliberate thought in every new skin that skinners create. We don't need 10x identical skins. We don't need 5 RNZAF or RAAF skins all nearly identical. We ran out of slots before so let's do some, let the dust settle, see what there is, and then re-evaluate and do some more.
I mean to say, let's not have a mad rush of somebody pumping out 20+ skins as soon as the update comes through. With the "no rotations" policy in place it might hurt in the long run.
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That camo was also found on B-17s and other craft as well.
I would caution a bit of deliberate thought in every new skin that skinners create. We don't need 10x identical skins. We don't need 5 RNZAF or RAAF skins all nearly identical. We ran out of slots before so let's do some, let the dust settle, see what there is, and then re-evaluate and do some more.
I mean to say, let's not have a mad rush of somebody pumping out 20+ skins as soon as the update comes through. With the "no rotations" policy in place it might hurt in the long run.
Agreed :aok One of at least every major player should be considered & most every theater of operation. Ideally there is enough E models to do that. Maybe at some later date a N model will be added then what other N model skins we have mapped we can remove off the E list.
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Lots of great photos on that Flickr account. Thanks for tracking it down. There's a place reserved in heaven for people who upload the original sized scans of the original photos.
The top left photo here is the other one I had.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64671666@N06/5900094297/in/photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64671666@N06/5900094297/in/photostream)
Looks like they had a camo pattern on the wings and horizontals sort of similar to one like this..
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/Hep%20Cat/NNModel.jpg)
I noticed that but they don't generally paint the inside of the wheels, so I was a bit confused. ;) The blue/white hubs are easily seen in the links you posted though.
You going with the profile early scheme? Or the later photo radiator & tail tip trim scheme?
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I dont care who does what, just make sure a white tailed Aussie skin get in. :D
:pray
:salute
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Lyric, I don't think we have an Ns skinned currently. That was the one model that really stood apart and from what I recall wasn't allowed to be skinned on the E.
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Lyric, I don't think we have an Ns skinned currently. That was the one model that really stood apart and from what I recall wasn't allowed to be skinned on the E.
Just wait for the N model to be added. :D
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You going with the profile early scheme? Or the later photo radiator & tail tip trim scheme?
I like the latter scheme with more color. If Krusty is correct about no 40Ns on the 40E, then I'll have to cross my fingers for a N though. I've never checked, but I always thought we had Ns on our E.
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Nope, not a one that I can recall cactus.
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Lyric, I don't think we have an N's skinned currently. That was the one model that really stood apart and from what I recall wasn't allowed to be skinned on the E.
Well lets stay with the E for now then. :aok
It would be nice if this one was real.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/2010-zerop40-LR2-851x583.jpg)
Nah some artist with a fantasy skin I wonder if there is a profile?
:O Oh look at that.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/JA-P40E-873x441.jpg)
:headscratch: Photos maybe
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/b06fed6569c42d820886a585c930ba23-872x448.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/fbb49a6b46e881af73ed6b9aa847a018-417x200.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/320b670a9741278f3e3cee8ddaa1e833-428x302.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/be425c95b7c5493105783272a46cc1e2-600x340.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/japbook21.jpg)
Well I'll be buggered the Japanese had an eye for nose art after all :aok
To bad no captured skins huh. :(
:headscratch: They could not have been that artistic surly?
Maybe there is a US profile of this plane?
:huh
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/JA-P40E-USA-600x294.jpg)
Please let there be a photo of this plane with US markings :pray.
:x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/2e56d124b65c300ca5c1fb7af0f39b97-418x204.jpg)
24TH Pursuit Group. :aok
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_East_Air_Force_(United_States)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24th_Pursuit_Group
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Lyric, will you allow me to skin it? :devil
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Lyric, will you allow me to skin it? :devil
Done.
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I think we should call Lyric, Sherlock.
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Just looking at all the P40N profiles available speaks to this. All those white tail, star and bar PTO 40s are N models too. E's were gone by that time.
Close as I can get you.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/uswhitetailp40-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/4cj69mb.jpg)
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Lyric, will you allow me to skin it? :devil
I think we need to ban Lyric from getting within 100 yards of photoshop.... :furious
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I think we need to ban Lyric from getting within 100 yards of photoshop.... :furious
:rofl If I could figure out how to use it I would be skinning my self. :aok
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So you found all those terrible photoshops? LOL I thought you did them yourself!
Somebody somewhere had way too much time on their hands at colesaircraft.com
EDIT: I realize that maybe I'm not making my thoughts clear.
I see that as an intentional fabrication of a paint scheme. The photos don't look all that real and they certainly don't indicate the color artwork as it is shown.
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So you found all those terrible photoshops? LOL I thought you did them yourself!
Somebody somewhere had way too much time on their hands at colesaircraft.com
EDIT: I realize that maybe I'm not making my thoughts clear.
I see that as an intentional fabrication of a paint scheme. The photos don't look all that real and they certainly don't indicate the color artwork as it is shown.
From what I understand the photos were all out of a Japanese magazine called Asahigraph that was printed during the war. The web site by Colescraft did not have the last photo of the right hand side that one I happened to find on line else where. It is clearly out of a book as you can see the page split where the nose should be.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGHP_enUS434US435&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=GVYoTuyRD-bo0QG8n-HFCg&ved=0CDoQBSgA&q=asahi+graph+magazine+1943&spell=1&biw=1039&bih=657
http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/p/123669/1240668.aspx#1240668
http://colesaircraft.com/1-09-p40e.html
http://corregidor.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=collecting&action=post&thread=691"e=4484&page=1
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aviation/japanese-captured-p-40e-warhawk-22189.html
Why would the Japanese back in the 1940's touch up these pictures in this manner? Also the Wiki link said two P40's were captured by the Japanese & the link he has posted shows two Captured & repainted p40's.
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I was more under the assumption they were recent touch-ups. However they have censored things before, like simply taking out tail markings on planes being flown by test/capture units, etc.
Okay, assuming the photos are real, I don't see them as a bright orange bird's head. I don't know where you get orange [edit: not YOU you... you all, "they" etc], unless some verbal/text description was put down in writing at the time.
Throughout many air forces there are special camo markings on noses of aircraft. The Germans (we have many 109s with dotted or special cowlings on the nose), the Italians (see my C205 with brown nose showing but splinter uppers), and others as well. The nose was the most prominent part and it stuck up the most. Putting the plane under camo nets and revetments and the like often left them with the visible nose, so often you had this touched up with special camo.
To me, looking at those pictures, under the new assumption they're actual photos: That doesn't look like orange. Nor does it look like orange and yellow flame-like patterns. The quality of the photos and the scans are so poor that the noise introduced into the original photo is what they are seeing and not the actual paint that was there. That's my opinion.
It looks like winter whitewash that's flaked off mostly. It also looks like there are brush strokes in it, like it was roughly applied and quickly. There is also the possibility they painted over certain areas that needed repairs and touchups with their own color of green. They had several shades and some of the field-applied greens on zekes and Kis etc, were rather pale.
In a couple of the photos it looks like a more solid color, but then in others you see the paint is gone, flaked off, or perhaps "baked on" to the point it's blending in with the normal Olive Drab coloring.
See here:
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/be425c95b7c5493105783272a46cc1e2-600x340.jpg)
or here:
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/japbook21.jpg)
Look at the shades of green around the lower cowling. You can see in other angles and other pictures it appears whatever this is was applied all the way around and underneath. However in the above photos it is already resembling the shades of OD green on other parts of the airframe. At least, patches are starting to look that way.
You can see the darker color on the spinner and cowling. The Japanese were not in the habit of painting teeth on any of their planes, nor eyes. The teeth and eyes are very much in the US pattern of markings.
I suggest this is a top coat, either protective after repair or perhaps some camo green as a temporary measure, and they simply painted it OVER the AVG-style shark's teeth.
That is what it looks like. That is the far more likely answer. There also were a limited number of captured P-40Es in use by the Japanese. They are fairly well documented photographically and historically. Some sources say they had 10 operational.
(http://www.j-aircraft.com/captured/capturedby/p40warhawk/p-40e_tachikawa.jpg)
There is no record so far as I have read about a bright blazoned parrot headed P-40 (other than the P-40N in US stateside training service). I suspect sensationalizing and misinterpretation of old photos at this point.
EDIT: The ww2aircraft link you listed seems to suggest the US crews painted it this way. While not outside the realm of possibility I am still doubtful as to the color used and the intent. They had some very creative and elaborate paintings, cat faces, grotesque human skulls, sabertooth teeth... This is rather abstract and almost Van Gogh-ish and does not seem to fit artwork. The teeth and eye, sure, but the rest? I seriously doubt it.
P.S. When would it have had US markings? Apparently it was captured off the ship, flown to Japan, and repainted all-green for propoganda movies....
Never used in service regardless.
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82sqn aboriginie downing the zero with a boomerang is classic :D :aok
I want that boomerang! But the Brewster and I 16 will do. Oh and the B29!
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It looks like winter whitewash that's flaked off mostly. It also looks like there are brush strokes in it, like it was roughly applied and quickly. There is also the possibility they painted over certain areas that needed repairs and touchups with their own color of green. They had several shades and some of the field-applied greens on zekes and Kis etc, were rather pale.
In a couple of the photos it looks like a more solid color, but then in others you see the paint is gone, flaked off, or perhaps "baked on" to the point it's blending in with the normal Olive Drab coloring.
See here:
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/be425c95b7c5493105783272a46cc1e2-600x340.jpg)
or here:
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/japbook21.jpg)
Look at the shades of green around the lower cowling. You can see in other angles and other pictures it appears whatever this is was applied all the way around and underneath. However in the above photos it is already resembling the shades of OD green on other parts of the airframe. At least, patches are starting to look that way.
You can see the darker color on the spinner and cowling. The Japanese were not in the habit of painting teeth on any of their planes, nor eyes. The teeth and eyes are very much in the US pattern of markings.
I suggest this is a top coat, either protective after repair or perhaps some camo green as a temporary measure, and they simply painted it OVER the AVG-style shark's teeth.
That is what it looks like. That is the far more likely answer. There also were a limited number of captured P-40Es in use by the Japanese. They are fairly well documented photographically and historically. Some sources say they had 10 operational.
(http://www.j-aircraft.com/captured/capturedby/p40warhawk/p-40e_tachikawa.jpg)
There is no record so far as I have read about a bright blazoned parrot headed P-40 (other than the P-40N in US stateside training service). I suspect sensationalizing and misinterpretation of old photos at this point.
EDIT: The ww2aircraft link you listed seems to suggest the US crews painted it this way. While not outside the realm of possibility I am still doubtful as to the color used and the intent. They had some very creative and elaborate paintings, cat faces, grotesque human skulls, sabertooth teeth... This is rather abstract and almost Van Gogh-ish and does not seem to fit artwork. The teeth and eye, sure, but the rest? I seriously doubt it.
P.S. When would it have had US markings? Apparently it was captured off the ship, flown to Japan, and repainted all-green for propaganda movies....
Never used in service regardless.
Where on earth would winter white wash come in to the mix on an aircraft assigned to the Equator?
I believe that the plane in question was not photographed in Japan it was one of two captured by the Japanese at some airfield based off the Wiki link. Also you will notice not all the people in those photos are Japanese I would agree with the link that the US crews were forced to show the Japanese what was what with this plane after they were captured.
As far as different colours painted on by US service men as repair work? Possible I guess it just seems to precisely painted evenly around the entire plane in the same pattern on both sides.
As far as no record is concerned of this plane by the US it is understandable in that they were captured & a bunch of those guys did not make it past the death march & camp life. Convenient excuse I admit but tragically probably true.
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Sorry, I was saying "it looks like this" not "it is this" -- I don't think it's white, but some other shade of green perhaps..
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As far as different colours painted on by US service men as repair work? Possible I guess it just seems to precisely painted evenly around the entire plane in the same pattern on both sides.
It's not that precise. It's loose free-hand-style paint (whatever the color). the application is very rough and only generally stretches from the canopy frame down to the cooling flaps. Even then as you can see in the photos whatever it is flakes off or fades/bakes into the surrounding color to the point of disappearing in certain areas. It also looks semi-transparent and I get the impression it's coated over the eye/teeth. This would correspond to being rougly and quickly applied, rather than a precise display.
EDIT: P.S. It's not even symmetrical. It's just splashed on there, whatever it is.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/320b670a9741278f3e3cee8ddaa1e833-428x302.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/japbook21.jpg)
It looks like it meets the center of the windscreen front panel on one side, and goes back halfway to the sliding canopy on the other. Definitely not an intentional pattern. Repairs or makeshift camo is still the prime candidate.
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Sorry, I was saying "it looks like this" not "it is this" -- I don't think it's white, but some other shade of green perhaps..
:aok Got it. :aok
In fact I think these photos should be the ones most likely to base anything off of.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/japbook21.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/b06fed6569c42d820886a585c930ba23-872x448.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/2e56d124b65c300ca5c1fb7af0f39b97-612x313.jpg)
The others are of such poor quality that you can read a lot in to them as for example this one you pointed out.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/be425c95b7c5493105783272a46cc1e2-600x340.jpg)
I think the sun brightness & angle has parts to play here for example the canopy area seems to have that same washed out white look to it.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/be425c95b7c5493105783272a46cc1e2-600x340-1.jpg)
I am a member on one of the sights that the artist did the profile of let me post on it & see what else he has.
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It's not that precise. It's loose free-hand-style paint (whatever the color). the application is very rough and only generally stretches from the canopy frame down to the cooling flaps. Even then as you can see in the photos whatever it is flakes off or fades/bakes into the surrounding color to the point of disappearing in certain areas. It also looks semi-transparent and I get the impression it's coated over the eye/teeth. This would correspond to being roughly and quickly applied, rather than a precise display.
EDIT: P.S. It's not even symmetrical. It's just splashed on there, whatever it is.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/320b670a9741278f3e3cee8ddaa1e833-428x302.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/japbook21.jpg)
It looks like it meets the center of the windscreen front panel on one side, and goes back halfway to the sliding canopy on the other. Definitely not an intentional pattern. Repairs or makeshift camo is still the prime candidate.
Not sure I agree with you yet so let me touch base & see what the artist has from that magazine?
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I am a member on one of the sights that the artist did the profile of let me post on it & see what else he has.
If you find him, see if you can find out what specific issue of Asahigraph it is in.
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If you find him, see if you can find out what specific issue of Asahigraph it is in.
Done.
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aviation/japanese-captured-p-40e-warhawk-22189-2.html#post805919
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Throughout many air forces there are special camo markings on noses of aircraft. The Germans (we have many 109s with dotted or special cowlings on the nose), the Italians (see my C205 with brown nose showing but splinter uppers), and others as well. The nose was the most prominent part and it stuck up the most. Putting the plane under camo nets and revetments and the like often left them with the visible nose, so often you had this touched up with special camo.
To me, looking at those pictures, under the new assumption they're actual photos: That doesn't look like orange. Nor does it look like orange and yellow flame-like patterns. The quality of the photos and the scans are so poor that the noise introduced into the original photo is what they are seeing and not the actual paint that was there. That's my opinion.
I remembered your nose out of the Camo netting from another thread & this seems to be the most logical as in an example of this Hurricane that was based out of the CBI some place. I cant find an actual photo of this plane but I do feel that the p40 may be like the nose of this diecast & they painted the teeth & eyes on afterwards?
Thoughts.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/b627a.jpg)
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But you agree it's not some fiery red/orange bird's head, yes?
There's a parallel issue with one 109F airframe, supposedly of a red nose. Striking bird. Nice looking profiles. Even some scale models with older decals/profiles of the red nose.
Problem is, it never existed. It was a standard yellow nose if anything at all. Much like the all-yellow Fw190, some urban legen spawned by an active imagination at one point in time and then perpetuated and reprinted too many times.
I think this case of the P-40 (and the profiles) is currently at the "active imagination" stage, and 20 years from now people will be swearing up and down that it was a bird's head based on the artwork interpretation in that magazine :P
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Problem is, it never existed. It was a standard yellow nose if anything at all. Much like the all-yellow Fw190, some urban legen spawned by an active imagination at one point in time and then perpetuated and reprinted too many times.
The "all yellow" Fw190 features prominently in one chapter in "The Big Show" by Piere Clostermann.
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If you find him, see if you can find out what specific issue of Asahigraph it is in.
Got a reply on the skin from Ron Cole he sent me a email & here it is.
Rodney,
Well, nice to hear from you! Interesting to learn about interest in the Japanese P-40. Some time ago I had a deal where I gave away a signed print of that aircraft to everyone who built a scale model of it.
Those Asahigraph photos came from a friend in Japan who collects such things. I only know that the accompanying captions described that the aircraft was captured in the Philippines and depicted American crew being forced to train the Japanese in its operation. Since then I've learned elsewhere that the aircraft was one of several P-40s that were brought to the Philippines by blockade runners and actually arrived in early 1942, and that the shark's mouth scheme was painted by its crew to "emulate the Flying Tigers" of China.
I have no other information.
I actually have that other shot as well, but might not have included it on my site (I accidentally saved them in different folders on my drive). Thank you, though!
All the best,
Ron Cole
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But you agree it's not some fiery red/orange bird's head, yes?
I found this today.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40lionshead-1.jpg)
I Just don't know what colour they painted this aircraft?
I would say what ever was about at the time.
Yellow I think around the outer edges of the eyes I think they are actually bigger than Coles profile. A yellow eye ball as well?
So what is the rest of it? A lighter colour no question but what? I think it was brushed & not sprayed on to many square edges for that. Possibly a light yellow wash & the olive drab is bleeding through?
I think this one is just up to artist interpretation here.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/japbook21-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/b06fed6569c42d820886a585c930ba23-872x448-1.jpg)
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Some Russian.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40rusky1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40rusky.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40rusky2.jpg)
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After my time in the AvA last night, I am definitely skinning a Russian P-40
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WHAT!?!?! A BRAZILLAN P40!?!?! i always thougt we only had p47s and only got in action at 1943 or something, are you sure that is correct!? i see one there with the brazillian allied star
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WHAT!?!?! A BRAZILLAN P40!?!?! i always thougt we only had p47s and only got in action at 1943 or something, are you sure that is correct!? i see one there with the brazillian allied star
I think they were only trainers in Brazil I have found none as of yet that were used in combat.
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40pac10.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40pac11.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40pac.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40pac1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40pac2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40pac3.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40pac4.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40pac5.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40pac6.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40pac7.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40pac8.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40pac9.jpg)
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Wish we had the N. Seems to have all the cooler skins.
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But you agree it's not some fiery red/orange bird's head, yes?
Found some info on the pilots uniform I think was worn in a couple of those photos. May be a good jumping off point for comparison to the nose of the aircraft though since the flight suit is a light yellow colour?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/2e56d124b65c300ca5c1fb7af0f39b97-612x313.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/A-4suit.jpg)
WW2 era USAAF flight suits -
A-4
A4 - A very common 1930s flight suit design, the A-4 was the most used flight until around 1943. It was a light weight cotton wool design just perfect for summer and winter flight use. Very few pockets were designed into the suit. They were open style and later war versions issued had zipper pockets added in the field.
A Japanese style uniform similar to the photos just for a possible colour reference.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Japan20-20194120Dec__20Luzon_20Private_20Imperial20Japanese20Army.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/japbook21.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/be425c95b7c5493105783272a46cc1e2-600x340.jpg)
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Sadly, no you cannot make such a comparison with black and white shades. It doesn't hold up. Different films show different colors a certain way, and while he may have a yellow flight suit, a suit of tan, or of beige, or of "sand" may all appear the same on B&W. You can get some generalization from the photos, such as color differences, but you cannot equate colors when there isn't any color present.
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I ran into a japanese artist rendition of the plane made at the time when it was captured. I remember it being bright canary yellow. I'll see if I can find it again.
Also look for a book called "Doomed at the Time"
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I ran into a Japanese artist rendition of the plane made at the time when it was captured. I remember it being bright canary yellow. I'll see if I can find it again.
Also look for a book called "Doomed at the Time"
I know the book you are talking about has it pictures or a description?
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I know the book you are talking about has it pictures or a description?
Well I tried to find it this A.M. no luck at B&N or the library.
I believe it has both on pages 339 and 340.
Good luck,
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I ran into a japanese artist rendition of the plane made at the time when it was captured. I remember it being bright canary yellow. I'll see if I can find it again.
Just found it as well as some clearer photos of previous shots.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/img93d7fdefx75eww.jpg)
http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t14319.html
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Well I tried to find it this A.M. no luck at B&N or the library.
I believe it has both on pages 339 and 340.
Good luck,
Will order it right now. :aok
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Just found it as well as some clearer photos of previous shots.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/img93d7fdefx75eww.jpg)
http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t14319.html
yes that was the thread saved me alot of time :lol some fantastic shots there.
This maybe from the magazine you mentioned previously.
I think this picture might say quite a bit
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r202/USMF1/P-40/4009_3.jpg)
could some one translate the text?
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It says 1000 words without needing translation :D
Note the colors. Looks pretty standard OD to me, with a different lighter spinner (not uncommon for P-40s).
While the photo isn't the best quality, you can see a solid demarcation between the spinner and cowling, and if there is any paint left over it is nearly gone. I only see slight smudges of it left (unless that's residual noise from the photo itself? Hard to tell). If it was there it was something temporary and gone almost instantly.
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Well I tried to find it this A.M. no luck at B&N or the library.
I believe it has both on pages 339 and 340.
Good luck,
Think it must be this one?
http://www.amazon.com/Doomed-Start-Philippines-Williams-Ford-University/dp/0890966796
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Think it must be this one?
http://www.amazon.com/Doomed-Start-Philippines-Williams-Ford-University/dp/0890966796
yup thats it
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It says 1000 words without needing translation :D
Note the colors. Looks pretty standard OD to me, with a different lighter spinner (not uncommon for P-40s).
While the photo isn't the best quality, you can see a solid demarcation between the spinner and cowling, and if there is any paint left over it is nearly gone. I only see slight smudges of it left (unless that's residual noise from the photo itself? Hard to tell). If it was there it was something temporary and gone almost instantly.
Did you notice the info I posted prior about US ground crews painting the nose a lighter colour from a book I found?
I think that the nose was painted another colour is just about out of question here Krusty. The book that Megalodon mentioned has info describing the plane as well in this manner from what he recalls. I ordered it to see what is in there as well.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40lionshead-1.jpg)
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p401-2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/120NEIsqn2.jpg)
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm3.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm4.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm5.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm6.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm7.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm8.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm9.jpg)
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I saw the picture but not the caption. I still think there's a difference between decorating the nose, and just slapping some paint on haphazardly. It appears to be the latter. It also appears to have been temporary and weathered/worn away very quickly, because the aircraft in question was fully painted over not long after this point, and none of it would show up then. The photos that do show it run the gamut from semi-fresh to almost-gone. I suspect water-based paint or some such, not meant for airframe use.
Back to the profiles, though, I have 2 I want to do (my current ones), and another in mind. I won't call dibs on skins I haven't yet done, but I think it would be good to get the 68th a skin on the new model.
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/p40e/skin9_tmb.jpg)
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Would anyone happen to have an image of the 28th composite group? Stationed in the aleutians throughout the war, some flew warhawks.
My alternate idea is no. 112 squadron, raf
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CBI.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm1-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm10.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm2-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm3-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm4-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm5-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm6-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm7-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm8-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40comm9-1.jpg)
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I saw the picture but not the caption. I still think there's a difference between decorating the nose, and just slapping some paint on haphazardly. It appears to be the latter. It also appears to have been temporary and weathered/worn away very quickly, because the aircraft in question was fully painted over not long after this point, and none of it would show up then. The photos that do show it run the gamut from semi-fresh to almost-gone. I suspect water-based paint or some such, not meant for airframe use.
At this point in time I would tend to agree with you.
Still have documentation on the way to me. Will wait & see what is there. :aok
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At this point in time I would tend to agree with you.
Still have documentation on the way to me. Will wait & see what is there. :aok
Some facts that have come to light about this skin.
1. The last two P40's were flown by pilots of two different squadrons from the same fighter group.
2. They both did see combat in this scheme although only for a very short period of time.
3. Yes I did say both? Because they painted the last two P40's with the same scheme to look like a sharks head.
This explains a lot of discrepancy's pointed out By Krusty about the uneven looking paint job from photo to photo.
Simply put we are looking at photos of two captured planes with almost the same paint job to look like a sharks head.
So where to go from here? Well the flame blazed P40 profile is out no question unless a flame coloured shark can be found.
The solid yellow profile is out because that uneven looking paint is done by design to look like a sharks skin?
The Japanese pilot Lt. Yasushi Ushijima of the 84Th dokoritsu chutai. Is referenced a few times about these plane's & I think he may have some written descriptions based off a few links that mention him? Exploring this option at present as well.
http://www.pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/p-40/capture.html
http://www.j-aircraft.com/captured/capturedby/p40warhawk/captured_p40.htm
In other words all new ground here :aok
If cactusKooler still wants to do this skin pick a shark that best looks like what you think the skin looks like & go at it. :x
Unless a Colour photo shows up I would say any thing you paint on will have to be right so long as you make it look like a shark.
Here is the info from the book.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED3.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED4.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED5.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED6.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED7.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED8.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED9.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED10.jpg)
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Some facts that have come to light about this skin.
1. The last two P40's were flown by pilots of two different squadrons from the same fighter group.
2. They both did see combat in this scheme although only for a very short period of time.
3. Yes I did say both? Because they painted the last two P40's with the same scheme to look like a sharks head.
This explains a lot of discrepancy's pointed out By Krusty about the uneven looking paint job from photo to photo.
Simply put we are looking at photos of two captured planes with almost the same paint job to look like a sharks head.
So where to go from here? Well the flame blazed P40 profile is out no question unless a flame coloured shark can be found.
The solid yellow profile is out because that uneven looking paint is done by design to look like a sharks skin?
The Japanese pilot Lt. Yasushi Ushijima of the 84Th dokoritsu chutai. Is referenced a few times about these plane's & I think he may have some written descriptions based off a few links that mention him? Exploring this option at present as well.
http://www.pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/p-40/capture.html
http://www.j-aircraft.com/captured/capturedby/p40warhawk/captured_p40.htm
In other words all new ground here :aok
If cactusKooler still wants to do this skin pick a shark that best looks like what you think the skin looks like & go at it. :x
Unless a Colour photo shows up I would say any thing you paint on will have to be right so long as you make it look like a shark.
Here is the info from the book.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED3.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED4.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED5.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40CAPTURED6.jpg)
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wow good read :aok
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Did some digging about No. 250 squadron leader Mike Judd, found this neat story:
Later in May we hit the jackpot. Our long-range Kitties, which could fly for over three hours, took off across the Mediterranean to intercept a flight of twelve German troop-carrying planes flying from Crete to North Africa. This had been discovered by what was known as the Y intercept which were a bunch of young ladies in Middle East headquarters listening in on German radio transmissions. Our first attempt failed. We went to the supposed point of interception, found nothing and came back again. The second time we had been flying for about an hour and a quarter, and suddenly, there on the horizon like a flock of partridges, were these twelve great big lumbering three-engined German transports. I said, "Tally ho!" and we went in and there was a great slaughter. They were, of course, slow and relatively unarmed. I knocked down two of them, and on the second one I made an approach from the side and I noticed that the paratroopers inside the plane had knocked the windows out and were firing at me with tommy guns. I didn't think too much of it at the time, but just as I was turning away my engine stopped cold. I was about 200 feet above the water, and I thought, "Oh, my God!" and suddenly realized I had forgotten to change over from my long range tank to the regular tanks, so I had run it dry. The propeller was still windmilling, I switched the tanks, turned on the fuel booster pump and after about two seconds the engine picked up again, with my heart, which had practically stopped. This interception was reported in all the English newspapers and my father said, "Well, that must have been Michael because nobody else would have described twelve German airplanes as looking like a flock of partridges." This brought my score up to four and I needed only one more to be an ace. When I landed I found the front part of my plane riddled with bullets from tommy guns. They hit everything except my radiator -one bullet in that and I would have been down in the Med, a hundred miles from shore. My first lucky escape. One of the things which was annoying was that the P-40's we were flying were not only unsuitable for the desert because they were too susceptible to the dust, but also they had a low ceiling and were relatively slow. The only good think about them was they had six 50 caliber machine guns which did quite a lot of damage as long as they kept firing, which they didn't all the time. I was so tired of being bounced by 109's from above that one day I said, "You know, I believe that we could flog these things up to about 22,000 feet and we might catch some 109's unawares looking down. So I got the squadron up to 22,000 feet where we were just about hanging on and as we flew, coming in the opposite direction, were three 109's about a thousand feet below us and obviously looking down rather than up. We turned down on them and I got about 200 yards behind the lead aircraft when my reflector sight went out. I therefore waited until I was practically on his tail before opening fire and he practically disintegrated. This was my fifth victory and made me an ace. My second narrow escape occurred when I was returning alone after straffing some motor transport. I wasn't watching my tail and I suddenly saw tracer bullets pass my left wing-tip. I immediately took violent evasive action and lost my attacker. If he had been an experienced pilot, I would have been dead. I learned something from that. One amusing interlude occurred some time in mid-summer, when I was given a week's leave and told that I might fly my airplane up to Beirut to visit my brother. George was on the staff of General Wilson in Beirut. Beirut was some 500 miles away and would require one refueling stop on the way, which would be Lidda. However, this was just after we had been pushed all the way back to the delta by the Germans, and General whoever-it-was had announced that all maps east of Suez would be destroyed, so there was no chance of our retreating. You can't retreat without a map Therefore when I went to air headquarters to get a map in order to fly to Beirut, which is about halfway up the coast between Turkey and Egypt, I was told there were no maps. I didn't know how to find my way there without one. I was sitting in my tent one evening disconsolately, when I saw a little cloud of dust on the horizon and up came the interdenominational padre, a charming Irish Catholic who administered to whatever religion anybody had. He also had a remarkable nose for when the squadron had a supply of beer. He came into my tent and I had a brilliant idea. I said, "Padre, have you got your Bible with you?" Well, he had a great big Bible, so I looked at it and there, of course, in the fly leaf was a pasted map of the Middle East. I said, "May I borrow this, because I need to fly up to Beirut and that's the only map there is." "Certainly, me boy," he said, "certainly," and we eased it out of his Bible and in God's truth I used it to fly up to Beirut. When I got there George was already having a splendid time with the local nobility and we lived in great luxury, being ferried around up and down the mountain by various rich ladies and their daughters in Mercedes-Benz cars. However, this was too good to last and after a week I had to fly back again
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Suggest you gents hold off on the 40s as Pyro has asked both while the shapes are taken care of, and to get the word as to whether we can have N, or Merlin F/L skins on E models.
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Suggest you gents hold off on the 40s as Pyro has asked both while the shapes are taken care of, and to get the word as to whether we can have N, or Merlin F/L skins on E models.
Can't wait :x
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Still have a truck load of profiles to post. I guess the skinners will have plenty of time to make up there minds as to what they want.
Here is a link with a few good ones. :aok
http://www.scribd.com/doc/54170063/Curtiss-P-40-From-1939-to-1945-Historie-Collections-Planes-Pilots
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Doomed at the Start is a good read. As for those shark mouth P40s, I wounder if they were given a bit of bright paint to ID them to Japanese gunners on their flight to the Japanese airfield.
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Doomed at the Start is a good read. As for those shark mouth P40s, I wounder if they were given a bit of bright paint to ID them to Japanese gunners on their flight to the Japanese airfield.
The way I read it they had painted the shark heads earlier before surrender. I have never heard of the term sharks head before :headscratch: Always sharks mouth when they are talking about just teeth nose art. The distinction is very different to any thing I have heard before & is why I think they painted an entire head & not just the mouth.
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The way I read it they had painted the shark heads earlier before surrender. I have never heard of the term sharks head before :headscratch: Always sharks mouth when they are talking about just teeth nose art. The distinction is very different to any thing I have heard before & is why I think they painted an entire head & not just the mouth.
I believe the Sharks mouth was there.. I was thinking the lighter color around it on the nose and Spinner. That looks like a much more hurried application.
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George Preddy's TARHEEL would be one I'd like to see done.
(http://forum.armyairforces.com/download.axd?file=0;132182)
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Some facts that have come to light about this skin.
1. The last two P40's were flown by pilots of two different squadrons from the same fighter group.
2. They both did see combat in this scheme although only for a very short period of time.
3. Yes I did say both? Because they painted the last two P40's with the same scheme to look like a sharks head.
This explains a lot of discrepancy's pointed out By Krusty about the uneven looking paint job from photo to photo.
Simply put we are looking at photos of two captured planes with almost the same paint job to look like a sharks head.
So where to go from here? Well the flame blazed P40 profile is out no question unless a flame coloured shark can be found.
The solid yellow profile is out because that uneven looking paint is done by design to look like a sharks skin?
I don't think that's correct at all Lyric.
They strafed some ships in combat, painted in normal P-40E markings. After some combat they were THEN (after) ordered to a repair field for engine overhauls. At this field the ground technicians working on them painted them, and they never flew combat again after this point, being immediately captured.
Further, they were stripped of all equipment including guns and radios in an attempt to get the most range to escape the coming Japanese, so they were also not in a combat state.
Non-combat situation, temporary markings applied by repair crews during scheduled engine overhaul, while being removed of all gear to effectively combat the enemy.
Not a valid skin in any way, IMO.
P.S. 2 planes might explain a couple of things but the photos still show a thin splotchy paint (the base colors showing through easily) and it fading very quickly or just washing off (heavy moisture, jungle conditions) that was slapped on. I think far too much emphasis is being placed on those planes. They slapped some paint on the noses and it rinsed off quickly. It was not used that way.
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I sincerely hope that someone skins the RAAF's 75th Fighter Squadron. I believe the 75th is one of the units that escorted my grandfather's unit during his bomb runs up and down the slot. He never had anything but RAAF P40's, and most of them were with the white tails. I'll dig deeper into his flight records and see if I can find any more details.
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I'm sure we'll get most of the ones we just lost back, in due time. We have twice as many slots so no worries about getting some RAAF skins.
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I sincerely hope that someone skins the RAAF's 75th Fighter Squadron. I believe the 75th is one of the units that escorted my grandfather's unit during his bomb runs up and down the slot. He never had anything but RAAF P40's, and most of them were with the white tails. I'll dig deeper into his flight records and see if I can find any more details.
I intend to do a 75 Squadron skin, when a few other projects are out of the way.
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I intend to do a 75 Squadron skin, when a few other projects are out of the way.
Thank you! :aok
:salute
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I don't think that's correct at all Lyric.
They strafed some ships in combat, painted in normal P-40E markings. After some combat they were THEN (after) ordered to a repair field for engine overhauls. At this field the ground technicians working on them painted them, and they never flew combat again after this point, being immediately captured.
Further, they were stripped of all equipment including guns and radios in an attempt to get the most range to escape the coming Japanese, so they were also not in a combat state.
Non-combat situation, temporary markings applied by repair crews during scheduled engine overhaul, while being removed of all gear to effectively combat the enemy.
Not a valid skin in any way, IMO.
P.S. 2 planes might explain a couple of things but the photos still show a thin splotchy paint (the base colors showing through easily) and it fading very quickly or just washing off (heavy moisture, jungle conditions) that was slapped on. I think far too much emphasis is being placed on those planes. They slapped some paint on the noses and it rinsed off quickly. It was not used that way.
Misread that page was under the impression two different locations of attacks but are all in the same area that the Japanese landed at.
Well so much for those two.
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AVG.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/avgp40.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/avgp401.jpg)
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/avgp403.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/avgp404.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/avgp405.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/avgp406.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/avgp407.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/avgp408.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/avgp4010.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/avgp409.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/avgp4011.jpg)
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mto.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40mto.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40mto1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40mto2.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40mto3.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40mto4.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40mto5.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40mto6.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40mto7.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40mto8.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/p40mto9.jpg)
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I'm liking those Checkertails. :aok
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(http://i56.tinypic.com/2rhogsn.jpg)
I like the bottom one on this set.
If I had the money, I'd pay someone to re-make the "Stud" skin again. Even if I was the only one who could see it in-game, that is all that would matter to me.
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(http://i56.tinypic.com/2rhogsn.jpg)
I like the bottom one on this set.
If I had the money, I'd pay someone to re-make the "Stud" skin again. Even if I was the only one who could see it in-game, that is all that would matter to me.
Both squadron hacks so not permitted sadly.
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I know there is a way to mess around with prototype skins though >.>
I must tinker....
*runs off to tinker for a bit*
:bolt:
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pyro:"P-40B and P-40C and their export versions are acceptable skins for the P-40B. P-40D and E skins are acceptable for the P-40E. No skins for variants later than the E are acceptable at this time."
YEAH! :aok
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I've seen screen shots of, Ink using hit prototype skin in-game.
I'm confused O_o
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I've seen screen shots of, Ink using hit prototype skin in-game.
I'm confused O_o
:(
:t
not in game but through the film viewer :D
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not in game but through the film viewer :D
How are you able to do this, Ink?
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How are you able to do this, Ink?
not sure totally...I set my in game skin to default....and offline I set the skin I created as the selected skin, and in some films my skin shows up.....but not all the films show it :headscratch:
I was thinking about deleting or moving all the KI skins and leaving the skin I made in the KI folder maybe it will show up in every film :x
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The "Stud" skin would be fun for offline :)
lol I'm never gonna let it go haha!
:salute
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The "Stud" skin would be fun for offline :)
lol I'm never gonna let it go haha!
:salute
I was actually looking at that yesterday.....if I find myself bored I just may do it :aok
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I was actually looking at that yesterday.....if I find myself bored I just may do it :aok
woot!
I miss it. I used it before the P40 upgrade.
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woot!
I miss it. I used it before the P40 upgrade.
cool looking skin, for sure.
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In light of the new P40F.
Bump.
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ah looking at all those p-40 paint schemes reminds me of when i was a kid building military models, the flying tiger p-40s were my favorites.
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I like the "STUD" the best...make that one.
this
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this
Sorry No.
Was a squadron hack that never flew combat.
It was in game before the skinner knew that it should not have been.
With the P40E update that skin was removed along with all the others.
It's a great looking plane & sad to loose it how ever what can you do.
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In light of the new P40F.
Bump.
For the N model. :)
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For the N model. :)
Hep Cat is pretty much finished. :)
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I am gonna do this one....... :aok
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/0-P-40N-49FG7FS-W7-Paris-New-Guinea-May-1944-0A.jpg)
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/1-P-40N-Warhawk-49FG7FS-Paris-New-Guinea-May-1944-01.jpg)
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This skin would be nice and help with Scenarios
(http://www.bravobravoaviation.com/Prints/P-40%20Warhawk/Print%20GM-115%20-%20France,%20P-40F,%2041-14xxx,%20GC%202-5%20Lafayette,%201943.jpg)
(http://www.bravobravoaviation.com/Prints/P-40%20Warhawk/Print%20GM-115%20-%20France,%20P-40F,%2041-14xxx,%20GC%202-5%20Lafayette,%201943%20-d.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/P-40F_GCII-5_Casablanca_9Jan43.jpg/762px-P-40F_GCII-5_Casablanca_9Jan43.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KezhQ6waZT0/TO60KAmYEQI/AAAAAAAAYAY/WFlhV1GvCuE/s1600/gedrgrerger.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bbSqbT4u2xc/TVD3Kw55mRI/AAAAAAAAAcM/2BprD2JKaRM/s1600/P-40F_CM%2BCapture%2B16.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bbSqbT4u2xc/TVD3KbBss9I/AAAAAAAAAcE/8OhfKS-2QE0/s400/P-40F_CM%2BCapture%2B17.jpg)
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Here is the rest of the unit
This page is translated from French
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmaquette72.free.fr%2Fthemes%2Flafayette%2FP40_normal%2FP40_avions.php&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmaquette72.free.fr%2Fthemes%2Flafayette%2FP40_normal%2FP40_avions.php&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)
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Here is the rest of the unit
This page is translated from French
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmaquette72.free.fr%2Fthemes%2Flafayette%2FP40_normal%2FP40_avions.php&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmaquette72.free.fr%2Fthemes%2Flafayette%2FP40_normal%2FP40_avions.php&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)
Nice find.
Got to go with the Priests plane :aok
Killer priests Plane :devil