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« Reply #225 on: January 04, 2012, 06:26:59 PM »
good luck devil! hope to see those soon! those look good
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Re: Skins under construction
« Reply #226 on: January 20, 2012, 04:47:34 AM »
I am currently working on a bare metal Spitfire Mk VIII from 549 Squadron RAAF. Also a S.Pz.Abt. 505 King Tiger.

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Re: Skins under construction
« Reply #227 on: January 22, 2012, 05:22:25 PM »
I started on Bf109E3 JG3 Franz von Werra
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« Reply #228 on: January 23, 2012, 01:28:55 AM »
I started on Bf109E3 JG3 Franz von Werra
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« Reply #229 on: January 25, 2012, 08:33:01 PM »
Going to try my hand at skinning with three BF 109 G-2's

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« Reply #230 on: January 29, 2012, 01:32:56 PM »
Started work on a Panther of the 105th Panzer Brigade based in Belgium in 1944.

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« Reply #231 on: February 04, 2012, 01:58:00 PM »
Started (again) on Kurt Gabler's bare metal 109G-6 of III/JG300.

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« Reply #232 on: February 20, 2012, 03:14:31 PM »
Does anyone have S/L Macleod's Spit IX (also fits on Spit VIII) from 443 Sqn RCAF?  I found one compatible with IL-2 at the link below.

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Spitfire/LFIX-RCAF-443Sqn-2I-E-MK636.html

Are these also compatible with AH?  If not, what needs to be done?  The D-Day stripes look pretty cool.

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« Reply #233 on: April 19, 2012, 04:56:16 PM »
Started (again) on Kurt Gabler's bare metal 109G-6 of III/JG300.

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If you wish to truly do it justice, I would suggest this as a short but informative read:

http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2010/04/kurt-gablers-jg300-bf-109g-6-natural.html

It wasn't really bare metal. While it would make an interesting addition, I'd hate to see it simply "BMF" like a US plane, when it would really be something much more detailed and nuanced.

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« Reply #234 on: April 19, 2012, 04:59:02 PM »
Does anyone have S/L Macleod's Spit IX (also fits on Spit VIII) from 443 Sqn RCAF?  I found one compatible with IL-2 at the link below.

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Spitfire/LFIX-RCAF-443Sqn-2I-E-MK636.html

Are these also compatible with AH?  If not, what needs to be done?  The D-Day stripes look pretty cool.

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If it's really a historic set of markings, then yes it can be skinned for AH. However, it must be skinned for AH. You can't use skin files from other games. The work needs to be put in for it to show up properly. Also, I have found a lot of those IL2 skins are unhistoric in many ways. Even if the plane itself was real, the way they skin it or the plane model they put it on may not be. There are no historic accuracy limitations with IL2 skins, as they are client-side.

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« Reply #235 on: April 19, 2012, 06:14:30 PM »
If you wish to truly do it justice, I would suggest this as a short but informative read:

http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2010/04/kurt-gablers-jg300-bf-109g-6-natural.html

It wasn't really bare metal. While it would make an interesting addition, I'd hate to see it simply "BMF" like a US plane, when it would really be something much more detailed and nuanced.

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« Reply #236 on: April 19, 2012, 06:20:10 PM »
No, not really. There's a lot of perpetuated false myths about certain sets of markings. The blog there I posted to is a guy who's IMO pretty well resourced and has access to a lot of info. His comments also match some similar discussions in the distant past we may have had on these forums regarding this plane as well.

There have been countless bad (i.e. unhistorical) paint schemes passed off on model kits simply because they are "cool" to look at and imagine. For example the all-yellow Fw190 (never existed). Another example: The blue upper markings on P-51s. Another example: The false all-red nose Bf109F of JG2 (I think?). I supplied the link there to hopefully put ranger on the right track in his research. I do hope he creates the skin, don't get me wrong. I've just seen enough skins where the guy doing them didn't put the time and effort in and it was very inaccurate. There are a few in-game like that already (waiting to be removed or updated I hope!) and we shouldn't want to add to the list.

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« Reply #237 on: April 19, 2012, 06:23:50 PM »
No, not really. There's a lot of perpetuated false myths about certain sets of markings. The blog there I posted to is a guy who's IMO pretty well resourced and has access to a lot of info. His comments also match some similar discussions in the distant past we may have had on these forums regarding this plane as well.

There have been countless bad (i.e. unhistorical) paint schemes passed off on model kits simply because they are "cool" to look at and imagine. For example the all-yellow Fw190 (never existed). Another example: The blue upper markings on P-51s. Another example: The false all-red nose Bf109F of JG2 (I think?). I supplied the link there to hopefully put ranger on the right track in his research. I do hope he creates the skin, don't get me wrong. I've just seen enough skins where the guy doing them didn't put the time and effort in and it was very inaccurate. There are a few in-game like that already (waiting to be removed or updated I hope!) and we shouldn't want to add to the list.

Really. Your article even states that books interpret the photo differently. Interpretation implies that no one knows for sure.

How ever ranger interprets the photo I am sure will be nice.
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« Reply #238 on: April 28, 2012, 05:39:31 AM »
I've had a request for a skin of a 15th AF olive drab B-24H called Paper Doll. This will mean updating my B-24 template and adding the new bump and spec files. After that I'll probably skin a bare metal B-24 of some sort.

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« Reply #239 on: May 15, 2012, 12:00:11 PM »
Really. Your article even states that books interpret the photo differently. Interpretation implies that no one knows for sure.

How ever ranger interprets the photo I am sure will be nice.

Well, duh, different books make different interpretations.... You really haven't got out much if you don't know that. There is a very big difference between the good books, that do the right research, and the poor ones, that high any old artist with no historic background to make color template profiles.

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As for the supposedly 'bare-metal' finish on Kurt Gabler's 'red 8', let us just say that extensive areas of the airframe have been sanded back either to the natural metal or the primer. However 'bare metal' is probably not the right phrase to describe this finish - this was a standard camouflaged machine with a 'stripped-down' (sanded) finish for an extra turn of speed - there are still large areas of paint over the airframe ! Exactly how much is difficult to say looking at the photos - certainly the wing roots and even the leading edges of the (starboard) wing appear to have paint on them. Gabler never actually stated that his machine had been stripped back to the metal, nor do the authors of the JG300 book - I believe that this was merely an assumption from the publisher/profile artist (Tullis) based on the photos - obviously a great 'subject' for a decal sheet and it certainly makes for a striking looking model! For what its worth, there is another interpretation altogether in the French edition of Lorant's JG 300 book illustrated by Claes Sundin which shows the aircraft in a primer-type finish, far from the shiny, glittering metal that most modellers love to portray this aircraft in. (See link below) Note the close-up of the tail and rudder in the photo above - if that is 'metallic' then it has a rather dull 'alloy' look to it - it doesn't appear to be 'shiny' metal. A handful of machines like this with a 'sanded-down' finish were deployed by JG 300 principally in an effort to try and catch RAF Mosquitoes, a type that the Jagdwaffe found almost impossible to shoot down. Gabler got one in June 1944, a downing he describes in the book...

It's pretty clear that the well researched sources are showing this is NOT a shiny bare metal finish aircraft. However, if Ranger makes it so, it will be a travesty of history. About the same historic accuracy as our "black" P-38 we had for years. Or the "blue" P-51s perpetuated by many poor sources.

There is a right way and a wrong way. It's not just up to interpretation. There is plenty of leeway, yes, but you can still get it wrong.