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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2013, 10:49:31 AM »
I'm starting to believe that especially amongst the luft types that there is a genuine fear of this plane and its capabilities ...... I suppose this is a legitimate fear because there is a historical precedent set by this plane.

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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2013, 10:59:52 AM »
That is like saying we don't need any American fighters from before 1944 other than the P-40E and F4F-4.  Remove the F4U-1, F4U-1A, F6F-5, FM2, P-38G, P-38J, P-39D, P-39Q, P-40C, P-40F, P-40N, P-47D-11 and P-51B from the current planeset for the American equivalent of just using the LaGG-3 to cover that entire period of Soviet fighters.
No. It's like saying we don't need the F4U-4. The Yak-3 is the pinnacle of the Yak line. It fills no hole, it is the top dog.

To the OP, +1 to them all plus the Yak-1

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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2013, 11:24:44 AM »
Much as I hate the ammo count on russian planes, and most are complete garbage (LaGG will not win a fight against a 109 on any grounds) its still was in combat and served its duty.

I would absolutely love to see some russian birds, especially since we are missing so many.
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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2013, 11:31:30 AM »
No. It's like saying we don't need the F4U-4. The Yak-3 is the pinnacle of the Yak line. It fills no hole, it is the top dog.

To the OP, +1 to them all plus the Yak-1
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The comment was "LaGG-3 would suffice for filling the hole.", which eliminates not only the Yak-3 from the OP, but also the La-5 and MiG-3 from the OP as well as the Yak-1 and Yak-7 I suggested.  The Yak-3 was not the focus.

I agree the Yak-3 is a lower priority, but comparing it to the F4U-4 is disingenuous as the F4U-4 came much later.  The Yak-3 preceded the Yak-9U we have, as I recall.  Mind you, the WWII Yak-3 was powered by the less powerful VK-105 engine as in the Yak-9T, not the better VK-107 as in the Yak-9U and post war Yak-3s.
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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2013, 11:32:25 AM »
I'm starting to believe that especially amongst the luft types that there is a genuine fear of this plane and its capabilities ...... I suppose this is a legitimate fear because there is a historical precedent set by this plane.


I don't fear the Yak3. Bring it on  :D
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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2013, 12:25:40 PM »
The comment was "LaGG-3 would suffice for filling the hole.", which eliminates not only the Yak-3 from the OP, but also the La-5 and MiG-3 from the OP as well as the Yak-1 and Yak-7 I suggested.  The Yak-3 was not the focus.

I agree the Yak-3 is a lower priority, but comparing it to the F4U-4 is disingenuous as the F4U-4 came much later.  The Yak-3 preceded the Yak-9U we have, as I recall.  Mind you, the WWII Yak-3 was powered by the less powerful VK-105 engine as in the Yak-9T, not the better VK-107 as in the Yak-9U and post war Yak-3s.
My mistake, I read your post wrong.

The 9U preceded the Yak-3. The VK-107 was not used in production Yak-3's because of overheating issues during trials. The existing Yak-9U was better equiped to handle the larger engine. That said, the Yak-3 is superior to the Yak-9U in all aspects except top speed (407 vs. 417 respectivly).
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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2013, 01:04:35 PM »
I'm starting to believe that especially amongst the luft types that there is a genuine fear of this plane and its capabilities ...... I suppose this is a legitimate fear because there is a historical precedent set by this plane.


According to Marcel Albert, the top scoring French ace, he considered the Yak-3 to be far superior fighter than the Mustang and Spitfire and easily more than a match for any German fighter.

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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2013, 01:21:43 PM »
I agree we need more Russian planes in the set. The Yak-3 sounds like fun.

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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2013, 03:00:19 PM »
I would love a full set of VVS ac................. but sticking the realism hat on and thinking of best return for investment I would go for a full compliment of Yaks (even tho my historical bent is toward Lavochkin)

The Yak is yet to be updated so step one to widening the  VVS GPW range would be to broaden the Yak range to equal that of the Spitfire/Bf109/ P40/P38/FW190 et al...........

Looking at the Yak we see this

Yak1    Mid 41 to Mid 43 (razor back unboosted M105)
Yak1b  Late 42 to Early 44 (bubble canopy partially boosted M105)
Yak7    Late 41 to Late 42 (razor back converted Yak 1 trainer, unboosted M105)
Yak7b  Mid 42 to Mid 43 (razor back, lightened Yak7 partially boosted M105)
Yak9    Early 43 to Mid/Late 44  (bubble canopy version from the Yak7D, partially boosted M105,later versions permanently boosted VK105PF) (D,DD, B variants in the same fuselage)
Yak9T  Early 43 to Late 44 (bubble canopy long nosed Yak9 early versions partially boosted M105, later versions permanently boosted VK105PF, 37mm cannon)
Yak9M Early 44 to Late 44 ( 20mm cannon version of the Yak9T permanently boosted VK105PF))
Yak3    Mid 44 to Late 45 (Tsagi development of the Yak 1M {b variant} lightened with slightly shorter wings clear  bubble canopy permanently boosted VK105PF)
Yak9U Late 44 to Late 45 (Alloy sheathed Yak9T with troublesome permanently boosted VK107)

Well we are not going to get them all! So which to prioritise!

Looking at the major battles of the GPW, Barbarossa, Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk, Bagration and (I suppose) Berlin and Manchuria.

We see

Barbarossa Yak1
Moscow Yak1, Yak7
Stalingrad Yak1, Yak7b, Yak1b.
Kursk, Yak1, Yak7b, Yak1b, Yak9, Yak9T
Bagration, Yak9,Yak9T(PF), Yak9M, Yak3
Berlin Yak3, Yak9U
Manchuria Yak3, Yak9U

The Yak1, Yak1b, Yak9T, Yak9M, Yak3, Yak9U Give us a very good spread across the GPW.

The Yak9T, Yak9M, Yak9U all use an extremely similar fuselage. Indeed the Yak9T and Yak9M could be considered the same ac with differing cannon packages.Yak9T/M

The Yak1b & Yak3 use a very similar fuselage albeit the Yak3 has slightly shorter wings and a clear front canopy.

IMO if we could only have 3 Yaks it would be the Yak1b, Yak9T/M, Yak3. If we were granted a 4th the Yak9U comes cheap (we already have the flight model). If we were granted a 5th then the Yak1 would be the start of war hanger queen beside the Hurri IIa and the C202.




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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2013, 03:30:22 PM »
I'm starting to believe that especially amongst the luft types that there is a genuine fear of this plane and its capabilities ...... I suppose this is a legitimate fear because there is a historical precedent set by this plane.


7 posts in a row. Yikes.


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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2013, 06:10:32 PM »
btw if we add our current ac set to my favoured 5 we see the following

Barbarossa Yak1 I16
Moscow Yak1, I16,
Stalingrad Yak1, Yak1b I16, (P39D)
Kursk, Yak1, Yak1b, Yak9T, La5FN (just a few) IL2M3(P39D)
Bagration, Yak9T/M(PF), Yak3 ,La5FN, La7(2 cannon)IL2M3 (P39Q)
Berlin Yak3, Yak9U,La5FN, La7 (2 & 3 cannon),IL2M3, (P39Q)
Manchuria Yak3, Yak9U,IL2M3
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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2013, 06:15:34 PM »
I don't fear the Yak3. Bring it on  :D

you will,  it is like a Spit 9 except faster.   
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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2013, 06:54:45 PM »
7 posts in a row. Yikes.


+1 to the wish.
Apologies gents, though I am passionate about seeing the Yak 3 added to the game, that was by no means intentional. The hazards of posting by mobile phone.

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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2013, 06:59:32 PM »
Apologies gents, though I am passionate about seeing the Yak 3 added to the game, that was by no means intentional. The hazards of posting by mobile phone.

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I figured you were doing one of these three things.
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3: Clicking in a furious rage because the internet is lagging and you felt that 50 million extra clicks would work.
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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2013, 07:46:00 PM »
They made over 3000 mig3 and it offers a very different type of experience than the others discussed.

It's also a 400mph plane in early 1941.

From mig 3 wiki............

Even with the MiG-3's limitations, Aleksandr Pokryshkin, the third-leading Soviet, and Allied, ace of the war, with 53 official air victories (plus six shared), recorded a number of those victories while flying a MiG-3 at the beginning of the war.[24] He later recalled:

“Its designers rarely succeeded in matching both the fighter's flight characteristics with its firepower… the operational advantage of the MiG-3 seemed to be obscured by its certain defects. However, these advantages could undoubtedly be exploited by a pilot able to discover them”.