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Offline icepac

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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2013, 08:10:05 AM »
“Its designers rarely succeeded in matching both the fighter's flight characteristics with its firepower… the operational advantage of the MiG-3 seemed to be obscured by its certain defects. However, these advantages could undoubtedly be exploited by a pilot able to discover them”.

This quote from Aleksandr Pokryshkin is important concerning this plane because it was superior in some ways and woefully inadequate in others.

With experience and familiarity, this plane can be made to be deadly in the arenas and it's far more rewarding having success with such a plane as opposed to LA7, Spit 16 which simply do what you ask.

I like the challenge of planes like this and it's probably the reason I rarely fly the known uber training wheel planes.

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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2013, 10:49:37 AM »
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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2013, 07:03:36 PM »
That is like saying we don't need any American fighters from before 1944 other than the P-40E and F4F-4.  Remove the F4U-1, F4U-1A, F6F-5, FM2, P-38G, P-38J, P-39D, P-39Q, P-40C, P-40F, P-40N, P-47D-11 and P-51B from the current planeset for the American equivalent of just using the LaGG-3 to cover that entire period of Soviet fighters.

No, its like saying we don't need a 109G-10, because we have the 109K-4. One is faster on the level, the other is a bit more maneuverable.

Or we don't need the F4F-3 because we have the -4.

Performance curves for both comparisons were similar, one just traded a bit of speed for some maneuverability or climb rate.

From what I've read, the Yak-3 had a bit better handling, was slightly more maneuverable, but slower.

We could use an early Yak-9 more than the -3.
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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2013, 08:34:13 PM »
Any Japanese, Russian or Italian plane is a vote I would get behind  :cheers:

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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2013, 10:51:41 PM »
No, its like saying we don't need a 109G-10, because we have the 109K-4. One is faster on the level, the other is a bit more maneuverable.

Or we don't need the F4F-3 because we have the -4.

Performance curves for both comparisons were similar, one just traded a bit of speed for some maneuverability or climb rate.

From what I've read, the Yak-3 had a bit better handling, was slightly more maneuverable, but slower.

We could use an early Yak-9 more than the -3.
None of that has anything to do with what I said.  As I have ready pointed out I was addressing the claim that all we need to fill the 1941 to 1943 gap in Soviet fighters was the LaGG-3.  Hence my reference to earlier American fighters.  To adequately cover the earlier VVS fighters I would like to see the I-153, LaGG-3, La-5, MiG-3, Yak-1 and Yak-7.
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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2013, 08:02:17 AM »
Agreed, Karnak. To make the US planeset look like the current VVS one in AH, we'd need to have the Curtiss P-36 Hawk, and then no other US planes intil the late P-47's and the Mustang. Just skip everything from 1940-41 all the way to 1944.
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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2013, 01:51:32 PM »




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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2013, 02:01:46 PM »


mmmmm looks like an AH scenario.....

of course, we'll need the Curtiss..... we have the B-239......

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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2013, 02:12:35 PM »
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/cockpits/cockpitlagg3.html Lots of LaGG-3 instrument panel info

http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/lagg3.html LaGG-3 info, structural drawings, unit info, etc
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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2013, 02:30:14 PM »
I always had a soft heart for the LaGG-3 and D.520, for being the absolute underdogs in any given scenario - one thing about the laGG it simply is outclassed by 109s and 190s, which makes it more of a challenge to fly.

Its not fast, doesn't turn well, doesn't climb that well - but its a Russian bird, something we dont have.
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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2013, 08:36:26 AM »
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mmmmm looks like an AH scenario.....

of course, we'll need the Curtiss..... we have the B-239......

http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/57/white57.html

Here's how that particular LaGG looked a bit later...


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Any earlier Soviet fighters would be very welcome!
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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2013, 05:00:49 PM »
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/57/white57.html

Here's how that particular LaGG looked a bit later...
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 :D

Any earlier Soviet fighters would be very welcome!

The VVS called that their "No really, we're one of you guys, please don't shoot us down again!" camo scheme!!  :x
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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2013, 03:41:17 AM »
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/57/white57.html

Here's how that particular LaGG looked a bit later...
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 :D

Any earlier Soviet fighters would be very welcome!

I wonder if they gave it back when they capitulated?
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Re: Yak 3, Mig-3, LaGG-3, La-5
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2013, 06:25:24 AM »
I wonder if they gave it back when they capitulated?

Just to clarify, Finland signed an armistice with SU. Finland didn't unconditionally surrender. LaGGs weren't given back, they were scrapped.


http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lagg3/lg3/lg3.html
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