IL2 wings

[LCADolby]

Are they supposed to be able to withstand 2-3 accurately placed 30mm Mk108 rounds?

This is a question not a whine, I just want to be able to know for sure how long I need to hold the 2ndary fire button down.

[Fulcrum]

The first two rounds bounced off the thick, almost Tiger II like armor plating.  Soviet engineering at its finest.   

 

[bustr]

New candidate for the drone circle and single shot dismantling to see how many 30mm it takes per wing?

[uptown]

The machine gun on a T34 took the wing off my IL2 twice in a row last night. I was thinking the Il2 should be a bit tougher  

[LCADolby]

I would rather have a "man of the Coad" give the specifics bustr.

[Skuzzy]

If you have a film, then we can give an accurate answer.  There are too many variables involved to simply speculate.

[bortas1]

  gees when I am flying il2 they go down fast.

[uptown]

  Skuzzy moved this to the "help and training" forum! I think he's trying to tell ya something Dolby 

[Skuzzy]

Skuzzy moved this to the "help and training" forum! I think he's trying to tell ya something Dolby 

It is a legitimate question, but without a film, it is simply too broad in scope to accurately answer.

If you want a general answer.  Each round does X amount of damage to a component.  Once the component reaches X amount of damage, it fails.  A wing is comprised of several components.  Is it possible to hit it and not do critical damage?  Yes.  Does a 30mm round do more damage than a 20mm round?  Given an equal parameter of velocity, then yes it does.

With a film, we can tell exactly what was hit and how much damage is done.

[LCADolby]

Uptown, It's nice to see you in the Training forum, it's a good place for you to start

Skuzzy, I am currently on and off searching through 50  films looking for the particular 10 second encounter.

[Tank-Ace]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 30mm fire only HE shells?

[Brakechk]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 30mm fire only HE shells?

I believe so.  It's been my experience that the vast majority of the time a 30mm hit from a 109K does catastrophic damage to a fighter.  Most bombers can soak up a few rounds, but I have a difficult time hitting the same place twice.  I have had fighters take a hit and suffer no visable damage and need to hit them again to get the big damage.  I think it has to do with where I've hit the fighters...so nose hits I've smoked the engine but not killed it.  I've also noticed it happening on a dead six tail shot.  The IL2 is pretty tough and I usually attempt to get multiple hits on them (hold down the trigger for multiple rounds vs trying to fire just one round at a time.)  I've never went back and reviewed the films of where I'm hitting when I don't end the fight with one hit.  I've always assumed that the hit occured somewhere on the plane that didn't include any vital components....it is a pretty rare occurance though. On bombers it's pretty easy to see where I'm hitting....which is usually a string of shots on the body of the plane and in those cases it's easy to understand how they can take a lot of hits. 

Zaphod

[Tank-Ace]

Then wouldn't the 30mm have a relatively consistent effect against aircraft?

I mean with a 30mm HE round, I would think velocity would have a minimal effect on damage.

[lyric1]

IL-2 has wooden wings on some models not what sure what we have in AHII now. I know a Mossie XVI can take a few hits before they go down wooden wings also.

In particular watch the right drone it will drift to the left side & it takes several hits before it crashes.

From what I recall wood takes the punishment better than metal.


http://www.mediafire.com/download/7m26925d3d5z7xc/mossie_16_kills_with_262_0353.ahf

[Skuzzy]

Then wouldn't the 30mm have a relatively consistent effect against aircraft?

I mean with a 30mm HE round, I would think velocity would have a minimal effect on damage.

If you consistently hit precisely the same spot, with the same round, from the same distance, and at the same angle, the effects will be consistent.