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Offline nrshida

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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #420 on: August 10, 2014, 02:38:12 PM »
Absolutely, this is a great thread. Let's keep it rolling.  :aok

It' a rubbish thread, I could only guess one plane  :furious

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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #421 on: August 10, 2014, 02:55:07 PM »
It' a rubbish thread, I could only guess one plane  :furious



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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #422 on: August 10, 2014, 08:35:11 PM »

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« Reply #423 on: August 10, 2014, 11:22:28 PM »
A handful of aircraft so horribly designed that they needed the parasitic drag of external bracing just to fly.  Good show ol' Chap.

Horribly designed? The first one I showed is the Hall Bulldog, designed by Bob Hall. Who was Bob Hall? He designed the Gee Bee Model Z and dominated the Cleveland air races in 1931. He designed the Bulldog for the 1932 race. Hall would go on to be the Chief Engineer at Grumman from the late 30s through the early 1970s. I suspect he wouldn't be interested in the aeronautical wisdom and critique of a biology major.

The third aircraft is the Curtiss A-12 Shrike ground attack aircraft. It entered service in 1933. In China, the A-12 proved effective against the Japanese, even downing 3 or 4 Japanese dive bombers. Some were still in service when the U.S. entered the war. When it first flew, it was considered a cutting edge design.

The bottom photo shows the Boeing P-26, aka "Peashooter". First flown in 1932, it reached squadrons in 1933. At the time, it was a world class fighter. P-26s shot down three Zeros in the Philippines.

All of the above were at the leading edge of aeronautical design in the early 1930s, a time when the great powers were still largely equipped with biplanes. To state that they were horribly designed is the defensive ranting of someone utterly ignorant of the topic, "ol chap".
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« Reply #424 on: August 10, 2014, 11:51:07 PM »
I deal with aluminum on a daily basis.  Apparently you don't know about its age-hardening qualities.  At the moment, I am trying my best to repair and document an aluminum (6000 series) storage tank that continually cracks, even from the heat of a grinding wheel.  Send your structural engineering degree back to the college you went to, maybe they will refund your money owing to the lack of education you received.

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Most Mechanical Engineers are well versed in the properties of the various aluminum alloys.

To grind 6000 series, especially 6061, they should use a 46-H wheel and lots of light cutting oil for cooling. No water based lubes... They'll just clog the wheel.

6061 is age hardened by heat treat, as it is a precipitation hardened alloy. If you want to avoid over-aging the material, you'll need abundant cooling during grinding.
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #425 on: August 11, 2014, 12:35:08 AM »
I deal with aluminum on a daily basis.  Apparently you don't know about its age-hardening qualities.  At the moment, I am trying my best to repair and document an aluminum (6000 series) storage tank that continually cracks, even from the heat of a grinding wheel.  Send your structural engineering degree back to the college you went to, maybe they will refund your money owing to the lack of education you received.

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Explain what a "B.S. in Biology" has to do with Aeronautical Engineering?  
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #426 on: August 11, 2014, 05:28:29 AM »
I have a masters of engineering. It is NOT in aero or anything remotely linked to aero or aero materials. I stay out of that lane to prevent face palming. Dave you may want to practice this here in the quiet privacy of the internet. There are some wicked smart (best Boston accent) fellas on this forum who both do this sort of thing professionally and for a hobby.

The flying wires on the sm were a work of art. Flat and streamlined, yet able to take the loads of 400mph flight. Hell... just synching two linked engines in a time before fuel injection... those guys in the late 20s and early 30s racing the Schneider cup were on the cutting edge.

Not sure what that airplane is, but with the 190 wooden model in front of it, German?
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #427 on: August 11, 2014, 08:57:52 AM »
That's a PZL Tarpan from Poland Widewing.

From the size of that big honking spinner you no doubt were hoping we'd assume it was French.  :lol
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« Reply #428 on: August 11, 2014, 09:12:49 AM »
Here's an easy one for ya...

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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #429 on: August 11, 2014, 09:25:40 AM »
Not to worry. Next semester Professor Cthulhu is teaching a refresher course: Airframe Identification 101. Go ahead and sign up now before the seats fill up. I think I just might!  :D
You know what really blows my mind Blinder? Some of these I've never seen, and if I have, it's been decades. But after seeing so many planes for so many years, you start to see patterns from the different manufacturers. Curtiss or Republic tails,  North American cowling, etc. And it's all pretty much subconscious. It's like some dusty brain cell way back in the last row suddenly raises it's hand and shouts "I know! I know!". And I bet you these other guys are experiencing the same sensation.
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #430 on: August 11, 2014, 09:35:48 AM »
Vickers 161.....   had a few minutes at work to web crawl... was designed to mount a 37mm gun firing upwards like the Schräge Musik
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #431 on: August 11, 2014, 09:48:31 AM »
Vickers 161.....   had a few minutes at work to web crawl... was designed to mount a 37mm gun firing upwards like the Schräge Musik
Just imagine how the plane must have responded to firing that thing. It looks like the axis of fire passes pretty close to the centers of pressure for the two wings, but the gun is still offset to the right side of the plane. I wonder if the pilot loaded the  gun with his feet.  :)
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #432 on: August 11, 2014, 10:36:44 AM »
The Vickers may have been the most innovative plane of its day from the museum write up..  What a super R/C scale plane it would be.

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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #433 on: August 11, 2014, 02:29:37 PM »
It's like some dusty brain cell way back in the last row suddenly raises it's hand and shouts "I know! I know!". And I bet you these other guys are experiencing the same sensation.

LOL, so well said and agreed! ;) :aok

You've got a quite a head start though for several reasons...

...I wasn't born yet when you went to work for Lockheed. :salute

Would be nice to pick your brain! :)
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #434 on: August 11, 2014, 02:33:32 PM »
Here's an easy one for ya...

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Great design solution for its time.
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