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Re: AoM vs The Damned 2v2 Skyyr/Kruel vs ChangeUp/Triton28
« Reply #375 on: August 28, 2014, 01:06:15 PM »
And now for something completely different...........

.....Kudos to The Damned for fighting last night without alt advantage.....both Kruel and Skyyr were having at it in a different fashion. I think Below was there too but I didn't run across him........Skyyr even took off from a semi capped base to fight low in a P51, so I know that didn't improve his score.  I did bnz and then ram Kruel with his engine out.....oops, didn't mean too(the ram part)..but I think you did get the kill when I hit the tree (I don't follow 200 but I am sure it was lively after that)......

.....Personally I don't think they are doing anything different than all of us do or have done at one time or another.....just give them a fight whenever you see them win or lose and ignore the rest.....

...........Now back to your regular thread programming
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Re: AoM vs The Damned 2v2 Skyyr/Kruel vs ChangeUp/Triton28
« Reply #376 on: August 28, 2014, 01:10:23 PM »
And now for something completely different...........

.....Kudos to The Damned for fighting last night without alt advantage.....both Kruel and Skyyr were having at it in a different fashion. I think Below was there too but I didn't run across him........Skyyr even took off from a semi capped base to fight low in a P51, so I know that didn't improve his score.  I did bnz and then ram Kruel with his engine out.....oops, didn't mean too(the ram part)..but I think you did get the kill when I hit the tree (I don't follow 200 but I am sure it was lively after that)......

.....Personally I don't think they are doing anything different than all of us do or have done at one time or another.....just give them a fight whenever you see them win or lose and ignore the rest.....

...........Now back to your regular thread programming

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'twas fun as usual.  :salute

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Re: AoM vs The Damned 2v2 Skyyr/Kruel vs ChangeUp/Triton28
« Reply #377 on: August 28, 2014, 01:12:26 PM »
Lol, should pay for many accounts then! <3

But then he would be shading!   :old:

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At least I think he would.... :headscratch:
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Re: AoM vs The Damned 2v2 Skyyr/Kruel vs ChangeUp/Triton28
« Reply #378 on: August 28, 2014, 01:13:03 PM »
And now for something completely different...........

.....Kudos to The Damned for fighting last night without alt advantage.....both Kruel and Skyyr were having at it in a different fashion. I think Below was there too but I didn't run across him........Skyyr even took off from a semi capped base to fight low in a P51, so I know that didn't improve his score.  I did bnz and then ram Kruel with his engine out.....oops, didn't mean too(the ram part)..but I think you did get the kill when I hit the tree (I don't follow 200 but I am sure it was lively after that)......

.....Personally I don't think they are doing anything different than all of us do or have done at one time or another.....just give them a fight whenever you see them win or lose and ignore the rest.....

...........Now back to your regular thread programming

 :salute was fun, lol I was out of ammo and fuel was pretty much gliding, I did get the kill though
« Last Edit: August 28, 2014, 01:16:03 PM by Kruel »

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Re: AoM vs The Damned 2v2 Skyyr/Kruel vs ChangeUp/Triton28
« Reply #379 on: August 28, 2014, 03:05:50 PM »
Snailman is the #1 Fighter Squadron all by his lonesome.   Skyyr makes up half....of the #2.   
I was number one in last October, all alone, only flying the D9, turning with every single con i ran into.
Does this mean that i am the best Dora Driver ever?

For the God's sake, NO!

Score means nothing.
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Re: AoM vs The Damned 2v2 Skyyr/Kruel vs ChangeUp/Triton28
« Reply #380 on: August 28, 2014, 05:55:29 PM »
We actually agree on something! :old:
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Re: AoM vs The Damned 2v2 Skyyr/Kruel vs ChangeUp/Triton28
« Reply #382 on: August 28, 2014, 08:20:17 PM »
I just noticed The Damned are ranked #1 squad in fighter this tour, this must mean that they are now the best.    :rock

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oh crap i better cancel my account now that they achieved the highest of all highs in cartoon land.......... who are they again?   
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Re: AoM vs The Damned 2v2 Skyyr/Kruel vs ChangeUp/Triton28
« Reply #383 on: August 28, 2014, 09:19:36 PM »
oh crap i better cancel my account now that they achieved the highest of all highs in cartoon land.......... who are they again?   

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Re: AoM vs The Damned 2v2 Skyyr/Kruel vs ChangeUp/Triton28
« Reply #384 on: August 28, 2014, 09:26:56 PM »
We need a face palm emoticon...

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Re: AoM vs The Damned 2v2 Skyyr/Kruel vs ChangeUp/Triton28
« Reply #385 on: September 03, 2014, 11:34:24 AM »
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Re: AoM vs The Damned 2v2 Skyyr/Kruel vs ChangeUp/Triton28
« Reply #386 on: September 11, 2014, 12:44:19 AM »
Too long. Didn't read any of this crap. You guys lost 8-2 against a couple of no-names? Damn C-Listers...  ;)
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Re: AoM vs The Damned 2v2 Skyyr/Kruel vs ChangeUp/Triton28
« Reply #387 on: September 12, 2014, 04:27:58 PM »
Hello Kruel,

BnZ is a repeatable move, like a rope or a reversal. It is a move that is only possible with an existing energy advantage.

Energy fighting is a style and one that is widely misunderstood. In fact, one of the most pure forms of energy fighting as it was defined by real fighter pilots was not so much in the vertical as in the horizontal. The ability to utilise a better sustained turn than your pursuing enemy to win an energy advantage from an equal or disadvantaged energy state and only then take the fight vertical to perform the killing blow.

Most people don't ever learn this in this game. Most assume energy fighting is all about vertical advantage. Many assume the simple BnZ tactic is the essence of E fighting. This is false. The essence of E fighting is in gaining the E advantage, not starting with it. I do not mean winning the E advantage on a co-alt DA style merge in the same planes. This is again just a very tiny element of E fighting and one that is only usually possible if the enemy cannot, or chooses not to, conserve all energy on the merge.

If you want to show some real skilled energy fighting then do it starting from an E disadvantage. It is possible and also extremely rewarding.

If you ever change your mind and find the courage to come and fight in the DA/TA with me I would be happy to teach you what I have so far learned about the almost lost art of E fighting. But I fear you will not, because you would hate for your 'I'm an E fighter' crutch to be pulled out from under you as you discover that you know very little about the subject you claim to be so loyally attached to and, in fact, all you are doing is boom and zoom from an existing advantage.

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Mr. batfink, I do like the way you think sir.  

In my opinion, everyone has their own opinion of 'Air Combat Energy Management'.  I would like to try to simplify to those that may have not understood your point.  Energy Management is simply using your opponents energy to their disadvantage and (more importantly) your advantage.  First step would be to gain the energy advantage in a position where your opponent cannot resolve a solution to shoot.  Next would be to maintain energy management advantage by continuing your efforts to position your opponent in a disadvantage until a mistake is made for you to capitalize on it.

This can be done via Boom and Zoom, turn fighting (which ultimately would turn into stall fighting), maintaining energy knowing your opponents aircraft cannot based on specifics below and so forth. 


There are many factors if you'd like to get detailed, which can be found at this link, http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a092974.pdf.  Below are some examples.  

*Aircrafts
    weight (top, middle, bottom heavy?)
    turn-rate
    climb-rate
    speed velocity
    turn/climb-rate + velocity
    damage/undamaged (location of damage)
    drag
    position
    etc..

I look forward to meeting you in the game to learn more from you sir.  I love and miss these discussions since I consider myself pure energy fighter, which in my opinion is used and portrayed most in the 1v1 formats.

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« Last Edit: September 12, 2014, 04:35:21 PM by Admiral »

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Re: AoM vs The Damned 2v2 Skyyr/Kruel vs ChangeUp/Triton28
« Reply #388 on: September 12, 2014, 05:48:52 PM »
Mr. batfink, I do like the way you think sir. 

In my opinion, everyone has their own opinion of 'Air Combat Energy Management'.  I would like to try to simplify to those that may have not understood your point.  Energy Management is simply using your opponents energy to their disadvantage and (more importantly) your advantage.  First step would be to gain the energy advantage in a position where your opponent cannot resolve a solution to shoot.  Next would be to maintain energy management advantage by continuing your efforts to position your opponent in a disadvantage until a mistake is made for you to capitalize on it.

This can be done via Boom and Zoom, turn fighting (which ultimately would turn into stall fighting), maintaining energy knowing your opponents aircraft cannot based on specifics below and so forth. 


There are many factors if you'd like to get detailed, which can be found at this link, http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a092974.pdf.  Below are some examples. 

*Aircrafts
    weight (top, middle, bottom heavy?)
    turn-rate
    climb-rate
    speed velocity
    turn/climb-rate + velocity
    damage/undamaged (location of damage)
    drag
    position
    etc..

I look forward to meeting you in the game to learn more from you sir.  I love and miss these discussions since I consider myself pure energy fighter, which in my opinion is used and portrayed most in the 1v1 formats.

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Admiral


There's a difference between E fighting in a slower plane and being successful, compared to flying the fastest planes in the game and claiming your a good E fighter because you can out rope planes.
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Re: AoM vs The Damned 2v2 Skyyr/Kruel vs ChangeUp/Triton28
« Reply #389 on: September 12, 2014, 06:01:48 PM »

There's a difference between E fighting in a slower plane and being successful, compared to flying the fastest planes in the game and claiming your a good E fighter because you can out rope planes.

I like you by your avatar alone!

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