Beating a dead horse ?

[Naughty]

      Enough is enough !!! PLEASE do something about the HQ issue !  In the 1 hour I played tonite, our HQ was dropped 3x. That leaves players with 2 choices to find a fight. either join the horde, or fly around aimlessly hoping to catch sight of the plane flashing a base.

               NO single player should be able to negatively influence the game so drastically.  I know there will be some who say "defend the HQ"  but how can you defend it when it's already down ? No radar you cant track a dar bar heading for it to drop it again. and who really wants to climb to 30k and wait for bombers that will most likely BAIL soon as they enter icon range ??   It's vulnerability is not consistent with it's strategic importance !
 
       HARDEN IT, Put it in the middle of the CITY with a lot of ack, Shorten it's downtime. something. ANYTHING !   

[Chris79]

Solution A:
1. Find a field near HQ
2. Up a suitable aircraft
3. Find HQ raiders
4. Shoot down HQ raiders
           Outcome, HQ stays up

Solution B:
1. Log onto BBS, HQ raiders are IB
2. Create thread complaining about HQ raiders, Bomb bay doors are now open
            Outcome, HQ is now down.

It would seem to me that Solution A is the prudent option

[The Fugitive]

Solution A:
1. Find a field near HQ
2. Up a suitable aircraft
3. Find HQ raiders
4. Shoot down HQ raiders
           Outcome, HQ stays up

Solution B:
1. Log onto BBS, HQ raiders are IB
2. Create thread complaining about HQ raiders, Bomb bay doors are now open
            Outcome, HQ is now down.

It would seem to me that Solution A is the prudent option

Luschu timed it out I think. If a buff pilot is carefull he can fly all the way to an HQ with out setting off a dar. Popping from NOE as soon as the HQ starts flashing gives the players less than a couple minutes to up from your "field near HQ" in which time you will get there about a minute AFTER the raider has bombed HQ and bailed.

Looks like posting on the BBS is almost as effective, yet wastes less time.

[SilverZ06]

Solution A:
1. Find a field near HQ
2. Up a suitable aircraft
3. Find HQ raiders
4. Shoot down HQ raiders
           Outcome, HQ stays up

Solution B:
1. Log onto BBS, HQ raiders are IB
2. Create thread complaining about HQ raiders, Bomb bay doors are now open
            Outcome, HQ is now down.

It would seem to me that Solution A is the prudent option

And what if you log in after it has been taken down?

[lutrel]

I normally stay out of these posts, but I have to agree that the HQ should be hardened enough to make it impossible for a single aircraft, or set of bombers to drop the HQ.  It simply has too negative of an effect on everyone in the game, especially on a big map with the lower numbers we are seeing now days; some of us only get to fly a few times a week and it's disappointing when we can't see where to find some action. <steps off soap box> Anyone got a tissue? I seem to have formed some sort of moisture in one of my eyes.

[DREDIOCK]

Couple of suggestions.

1 - Increase the area of the HQ dar ring
2 -  Break the country map into zones of multiple bases. At HQ, have one building the current hardness as the main building is now for each zone. That way no one pilot could take down the radar for an entire country, only a single zone. To take down dar for an entire country should take a mission
3 - Provide more ack at HQ and make some of them manable

[mbailey]

      Enough is enough !!! PLEASE do something about the HQ issue !  In the 1 hour I played tonite, our HQ was dropped 3x. That leaves players with 2 choices to find a fight. either join the horde, or fly around aimlessly hoping to catch sight of the plane flashing a base.

               NO single player should be able to negatively influence the game so drastically.  I know there will be some who say "defend the HQ"  but how can you defend it when it's already down ? No radar you cant track a dar bar heading for it to drop it again. and who really wants to climb to 30k and wait for bombers that will most likely BAIL soon as they enter icon range ??   It's vulnerability is not consistent with it's strategic importance !
 
       HARDEN IT, Put it in the middle of the CITY with a lot of ack, Shorten it's downtime. something. ANYTHING !   

Agreed 100%

[Someguy63]

      Enough is enough !!! PLEASE do something about the HQ issue !  In the 1 hour I played tonite, our HQ was dropped 3x. That leaves players with 2 choices to find a fight. either join the horde, or fly around aimlessly hoping to catch sight of the plane flashing a base.

               NO single player should be able to negatively influence the game so drastically.  I know there will be some who say "defend the HQ"  but how can you defend it when it's already down ? No radar you cant track a dar bar heading for it to drop it again. and who really wants to climb to 30k and wait for bombers that will most likely BAIL soon as they enter icon range ??   It's vulnerability is not consistent with it's strategic importance !
 
       HARDEN IT, Put it in the middle of the CITY with a lot of ack, Shorten it's downtime. something. ANYTHING !   

Agreed, I think instead of hardening it just change the effects, along with the ack and stuff.

[Bobcat81]

And Im okay with that.

[Tumor]

It sux.  However, we need to keep it.  An HQ (radar) strike is the ~ONLY~ strategic endeavour with immediate (enough) result to keep the attention of the average gamer.  The strat system as is, is completely workable for those who have a bit of patience and understands the importance of reducing strategic targets.  Patience however is something a great many (likely the majority) do not have, or want.  I have hard time convincing anyone to fly more than 2 sectors to a fight (or target).  HTC needs the players, and strat minded players need the strat in all its forms.

Defend your assets

or

Don't

The cost of cartoon warfare is pretty cheap either way.

Tumor

[Naughty]

It sux.  However, we need to keep it.  An HQ (radar) strike is the ~ONLY~ strategic endeavour with immediate (enough) result to keep the attention of the average gamer.  The strat system as is, is completely workable for those who have a bit of patience and understands the importance of reducing strategic targets.  Patience however is something a great many (likely the majority) do not have, or want.  I have hard time convincing anyone to fly more than 2 sectors to a fight (or target).  HTC needs the players, and strat minded players need the strat in all its forms.

Defend your assets

or

Don't

The cost of cartoon warfare is pretty cheap either way.

Tumor

      Can ANY other strategic asset be completely destroyed by a SINGLE player, in a SINGLE pass ? NO.   It takes SEVERAL passes by a single bomber to effectively reduce the strats effectiveness. And that bomber will face heavy ack, and the longer he stays, the more vulnerable he becomes to defenders.  Yet the Single most important country asset, is for the most part defenseless, and can be quickly destroyed by a single player, instantly degrading game play for 1/3 the entire player base.  Historically, a Country's HQ is the most heavily defended and resilient asset they have.  it should take nothing less than a mission of 4 bomber groups (all scoring direct hits) to destroy the HQ. THIS would promote missions, and the large Dar bar will attract defenders.

[The Fugitive]

It sux.  However, we need to keep it.  An HQ (radar) strike is the ~ONLY~ strategic endeavour with immediate (enough) result to keep the attention of the average gamer.  The strat system as is, is completely workable for those who have a bit of patience and understands the importance of reducing strategic targets.  Patience however is something a great many (likely the majority) do not have, or want.  I have hard time convincing anyone to fly more than 2 sectors to a fight (or target).  HTC needs the players, and strat minded players need the strat in all its forms.

Defend your assets

or

Don't

The cost of cartoon warfare is pretty cheap either way.

Tumor

The strat system is complex as it is written. It's hard for a new player, heck one thats been here awhile to understand how it works. Todays players like the quick reward for what they do. In the case of strat and HQ, if they were taken down to 75% then ALL fields should lose that option. Fuel depot to 75% ALL fields now only have 50% fuel, same with ammo, troops, and radar. HQ down gives the same as it does now.

The only difference is it MUST take more than a single buff to hit that total! Harden them to take 12 buffs with a 80% hit rate. This way you have at least 4 players having to group up for a mission to do any good. This way you end up with BATTLES instead of some dweeb sneaking in and tweaking everyone nose after he killed dar all by him self.

I don't think ANYONE would have a problem with dar going down if there was a reasonable chance to defend it. As it is now unless you have someone on duty circling HQ you don't stand a chance at stopping them.

[XxDaSTaRxx]

YOU DO NOT DESERVE WHAT YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DEFEND

It is simple!

Do something other than be a damn armchair general!

[caldera]

YOU DO NOT DESERVE WHAT YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DEFEND

It is simple!

Do something other than be a damn armchair general!

Do you bail out of whatever plane your in to try in vain to stop the NOE HQ raider that leaves only about 3 minutes warning?  Or do you fly CAP over HQ the entire time you are online?  There have been many times this year alone, when HQ was down before I even logged on. 

It is far too easy for a single player to grief a whole country. Your argument is simple.

[Naughty]

YOU DO NOT DESERVE WHAT YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DEFEND

It is simple!

Do something other than be a damn armchair general!

    You're either very ignorant, or just too lazy to read the thread and replies before responding. what this thread is saying is that the HQ in it's current existence CANNOT BE PROPERLY DEFENDED. Unless there is a player who wants to spend $15 a month just so he can circle the HQ and maybe possibly be in the right place, at the right alt when a bomber comes in. A single player can easily avoid all radar, or come in NOE and drop WHAT SHOULD BE THE HARDEST TARGET TO DESTROY. THAT HAS THE BIGGEST EFFECT ON THE GAME.   Hell.. it doesn't even have it's own dar ring, but yet controls ALL the dar for a country ? even a measly V-base has dar !