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Dresden POW survivor video interview
« on: April 08, 2015, 02:15:28 PM »
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1043763525637785&set=vb.127439507270196&type=2&theater

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Re: Dresden POW survivor video interview
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2015, 02:35:51 PM »
It was very evil what Germany started :old:

Coventry,London,manchester,liverpool,newcastle,belfast loved all those Narzzies bombers.

Amsterday,Warsaw,Stalingrad,Leningrad they thought Narzzie bombers was fantastic as well.

Pearl Harbour they also thought the japanese bombs were nice as well.

How many people did the Germans kill in WWII?




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Re: Dresden POW survivor video interview
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2015, 03:13:53 PM »
"We were supposed to be the good guys."
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Re: Dresden POW survivor video interview
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2015, 03:32:52 PM »
On both sides of a war there are no Heros and Villains. Remember that wars are fought and based on the prowess of killing man, and war, is cold blooded murder.
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Re: Dresden POW survivor video interview
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2015, 03:33:14 PM »
"We were supposed to be the good guys."

Exactly.
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Re: Dresden POW survivor video interview
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2015, 03:34:58 PM »
Its very easy to criticize the methods used to combat real hardcore evil, because sometimes half-measures result in LOSING.  They wouldn't be around to criticize if the allies had LOST.  War sucks, plain and simple.

Look at some of the stuff currently being done to combat ISIS...  That little town up by the Turkish border that was fought over for a couple months.  The town is mostly leveled, but ISIS is gone.  What's worse, the town being destroyed or the town existing and ISIS still raping/torturing/murdering everyone they can?  Based on what we all know about ISIS, I am convinced that nothing but what occurred would have been sufficient to drive ISIS out of that town and to halt their progress.

20 years from now if ISIS is only a horrible memory, someone who lived there will criticize the US for leveling the town.  If ISIS survives, nobody who cares about that town will be alive to speak out about it either way.
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Re: Dresden POW survivor video interview
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2015, 04:24:17 PM »
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Sadly, there was no one left to condemn the person that cut the orders.
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Re: Dresden POW survivor video interview
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2015, 04:36:16 PM »
And you would not condemn such barbarism?
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2015, 04:58:34 PM »
I'll gladly condemn the people who make any warfare necessary.  Once it starts I'm in favor of ending it and my inclination is not to second guess those in charge of ending the war quickly.  The atomic bomb drops are the perfect example.  Those were horrible, horrific actions.  The people who ordered them felt that those horrific actions were necessary to bring the emperor immediately into the decision making process of ending the war, and to save the hundreds of thousands of lives expected to be lost if a full scale invasion was required.  On their own, they're horrific.  But because I know that war ALWAYS leads to horrific acts on both sides, I am not inclined to quickly condemn acts necessary to bring the war to an end.  Very often even if in hindsight a particular action was later not deemed necessary, at the time it was ordered it was honestly considered essential and the lesser of evils. 

Level a village that is a single source manufacturing point for a critical military supply, or risk the war dragging out another year?  Easy to second guess 10, 20, 50+ years later.  At the time, certainly a tragedy but the whole war was a tragedy start to finish and maybe this one would speed the end of the war.

Few things deserve contempt as much as armchair quarterbacks second-guessing actual LEADERS, both military and civilian, in a time of war who had to make horrible decisions that they thought were still utterly necessary to prevent an unthinkable evil from winning.  Take the time to figure out what happened so maybe next time there is better information available to maybe make a better decision, and we all win.  But condemning the decision makers is generally the cowardly and contemptible act of someone who lives in luxury now because of those same decisions made long ago.

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Re: Dresden POW survivor video interview
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2015, 05:06:23 PM »
So the criticism itself is of a lesser moral quality than the act per se?  That's a neat bit of logical legerdemain.
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Re: Dresden POW survivor video interview
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2015, 05:18:37 PM »
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Few things deserve contempt as much as armchair quarterbacks second-guessing actual LEADERS... condemning the decision makers is generally the cowardly and contemptible act of someone who lives in luxury now because of those same decisions made long ago.

My second-favorite logical fallacy.  Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority and maybe you should read the source material, too: http://www.amazon.com/The-Decision-Use-Atomic-Bomb/dp/067976285X
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Re: Dresden POW survivor video interview
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2015, 05:29:20 PM »
So the only crime the Nazis were guilty of was losing the war. Check.
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Re: Dresden POW survivor video interview
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2015, 06:04:33 PM »
So the only crime the Nazis were guilty of was losing the war. Check.

That's ridiculous and you know it.  Find one source, one single source, that the holocaust was thought by anyone to be an act of military necessity.  One single source.

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Re: Dresden POW survivor video interview
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2015, 06:10:20 PM »
Few things deserve contempt as much as armchair quarterbacks second-guessing actual LEADERS, both military and civilian, in a time of war...

Yeah, like that 6-year war veteran in the video.  :rolleyes:

What actually is contemptible are the modern day brown shirts who justify any atrocity, past or future, in the name of nationalism. Though they usually prefer to use the term "patriotism".
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Re: Dresden POW survivor video interview
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2015, 06:11:17 PM »
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Find one source, one single source, that the holocaust was thought by anyone to be an act of military necessity.  One single source.

http://www.archive.org/stream/meinkampf035176mbp/meinkampf035176mbp_djvu.txt

q.v., et al.; alas.
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