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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2003, 08:41:03 AM »
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Think you guys could drive something a little less environmentally damaging?  Perhaps Ripsnort would be happy driving a bulldozer with a 100 foot long trailer of burning oil sludge and styrofoam.


Sure, so long as it can carry an 11 ft camper, haul a boat. ")

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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2003, 08:45:47 AM »
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Think you guys could drive something a little less environmentally damaging?  Perhaps Ripsnort would be happy driving a bulldozer with a 100 foot long trailer of burning oil sludge and styrofoam.


...and can we assume you are driving one of those Honda electric cars?  Do tell...what are you driving  :)

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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2003, 08:49:26 AM »
Chevrolet S-10.  V6 engine.  4 cylinder S-10s are not powerful enough to pull a trailor/boat.

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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2003, 08:51:56 AM »
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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2003, 10:46:08 AM »
Diesel is an uncertain fuel from a supply and price standpoint for the mid 2000s due to diesel sulfur regulations set to hit in 2005. The marketplace may handle the adjustment well, or there may be several years of chaos. The industry itself doesn't quite know exactly what is going to happen. For all the advantages with diesel, gasoline is a safer choice today.

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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2003, 02:34:46 PM »
Charon,

Almost all freight moves on diesel. Think about it, even the trains use diesel. Do you honestly think that there is going to be a shut off of that fuel. The entire country would grind to a dead halt withing 15 days. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2003, 02:43:34 PM »
2000 f-250 8" lift 38.5" tires  v-10 =8mpg:aok



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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2003, 02:55:35 PM »
Ahh.. yes.. the monster F-250/F-350 combo.. I had some yahoo almost back over my Miata here at the office b/c he can't see to drive the thing lol.. But, their cool looking for sure :D

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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2003, 03:04:02 PM »
I have never ran over ANY miata that I did not intend to:aok

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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2003, 03:18:32 PM »
You make some good points Mavrick, which is why the next few years are going to be so interesting. I have talked personally to pipeline operators, terminal operators, reps at the American Petroleum Institute, reps at the Society of Independent Gasoline Marketers of America, NPRA, NACS, the Energy Information Administration (DOE), a few major oil companies... and no one really knows what is going to happen.

It is a very complicated issue, but in a nutshell there are diesel sulfur requirements that will drop sulfur levels from the current 500 ppm to 15 ppm max at the point of retail sale. The auto industry kicked the oil industry's bellybutton (not all too uncommon) with the regulation development, and placed the majority of the pollution reduction requirements on the oil industry by pushing emission reduction technologies that cannot work (and will be damaged) by diesel higher than 15ppm.

There is no real understaing in the industry as to how this will play out nationally or regionally/locally. For a change the EPA is interested in working to keep a full blown disaster from happening, but who knows. Here's a section form a National Association of Convienience Stores position paper on the subject. It's a couple of years old, but I just revisited the issue in a recent pipeline article and no one today can really say anything more today.

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While compliance with the regulatory requirements of the final diesel sulfur rule should not be onerous for diesel fuel marketers, other, non-regulatory impacts of the rule may affect marketers more severely. First, it will be expensive for refiners to upgrade their equipment to make 15 ppm diesel fuel. Faced with this expense, some refiners -- particularly small- and medium-sized refiners -- may choose to reduce their highway diesel fuel production or exit the on-road diesel market entirely. Consequently, the final rule may have the affect of reducing the number of suppliers of diesel fuel across the nation, as well as the amount of highway diesel fuel available.

Second, EPA's decision to grant exceptions to the general 15 ppm mandate will result in two highway diesel fuels being available to marketers between mid-2006 and mid-2010. NACS strongly opposed EPA's exceptions because they will force marketers to either choose one type of highway diesel fuel to carry (thereby limiting the classes of trade that marketers may serve) or install additional tanks and dispensers to carry both types of highway diesel fuel. Whichever option a marketer chooses, it will cost the marketer money, either through lost business or capital investments.

Third, EPA's decision to phase-in the 15 ppm highway sulfur standard will create logistical problems for the diesel fuel distribution system because the two highway diesel fuels must be segregated throughout the system. It remains to be seen whether both fuels will be available in widespread markets, or whether 500 ppm fuel is available only in some areas of the country where the higher sulfur diesel can be transported directly from a refinery to retail outlets by truck.


It doesn't touch too much on the pipeline and terminal aspects, but it's common to ship multiple products batched in a pipeline and have multiuse tanks for similar products like diesel and fuel oil at regional terminals.  Even if you get 7ppm diesel from the refinery, it doesnt take too much contact with the residue of 1500 ppm jet fuel to breach the 15 ppm level, which raises a lot of liability and product loss issues the farther downstream you go with product. Who pays for the damaged engine or the expensive on-road diesel that creeps above 15 ppm and has to be used in off road applications at a lower price? Alll in all, there will be those from the refinery to the retailer who decide it's too much trouble. The verdict is still out on how many will make that choice (though refineries should already be making the upgrades if they are going to meet the deadline).

It may be nothing, but an awful lot of "cup half full" type of action is going to have to happen for this just to be a minor disruption. Maybe it will.

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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2003, 04:09:44 PM »
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Think you guys could drive something a little less environmentally damaging?


Yah. I got a 4 banger Mitsu that I use to go for beer or when I'm otherwise not hauling stuff like 3 Labradors and 15 Cubic feet of training equipment. Or the 31 foot trailer that follows behind when 5 guys and 6 Labs go hunting in my Crew Cab.

Is that efficient enough for you?

Or should I have each guy drive a Honda Civic with his gear and dog in it?

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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2003, 04:23:44 PM »
Oh, in this part of the country we dont use a pack of wild dogs to go hunting.  We use this neat thing called a gun.  They might call it a "boom stick" in your territory.

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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2003, 04:27:22 PM »
So I assume you swim out and get the ducks yourself?

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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2003, 04:39:34 PM »
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Rip,

I had a '99 F250 Crew, V-10. First year for the Crew Shortbeds, I think and they had some minor probs. However, Ford did all the Bulletins.. ALL the bulletins.. for free. Got free brakes/rotors all the way round at 35,500 for no necessary reason that I could tell. :)

Traded that for an 03 F250 Crew V-10. (What can I say.. I know the guy and he made me a deal I couldn't refuse. I drove the '99 about 65k for 15 cents a mile. Plus I was looking at about $700 in tires and another $300 in other "consumables" before this hunting season.)

Anyway, I liked 'em both and both have been really trouble free. Although if they want to give me free brakes again I'll take 'em.

I'm pulling a 31' Coachmen with it (bought it used for hunting.. 10 years old.) and it has NO problem lugging a 6000# trailer around behind it.

I will say this. My hunting buddy had an '01 250 Supercab with the 5.4 and it was a tiny bit on the sluggish side. Wouldn't want to be pulling much with that one in hilly country. He just swapped it for an '04 that's exactly the same truck except it has the V10. No lack of power now.

In short... I like the big Fords.

Run it through http://WWW.alldata.com and see what bulletins turn up and then see if he guy had the work done. That also tells you what kind of things they know they had problems with in some trucks and you can look/listen for that stuff when you look at this one.


Ya know...it's guys just like you who are supporting terrorist....sell that tin can and by a Yugo!

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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2003, 04:41:56 PM »
Pack of wild dogs?

You are so cute!

"Boom stick?"

Yeah, that must be what I use.....

You've added so much to this thread, I thank you.
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