Are the states of the South traditionally

[Leslie]

To his eternal credit MRPLUTO.  George Wallace was the best politician there ever was.





Les

[Dune]

Traditionally the South was a Democrat area.  Lincoln and other Republicans represented the industrial north while the agraian South was Democrat.  

When the South as a region was a political stronghold for Democrats in the first half of the 20th century, it was said that a Southern voter would vote for a mangy yellow dog before he/she would vote for a Republican. So a “Yellow Dog Democrat” implies one fiercely loyal to the Democratic party, with a strong partisan profile. The expression achieved prominence in the 1928 presidential campaign when southern Democrats, reluctant to support their national party's nominee, Al Smith, voted for him anyway, out of loyalty to the party ticket. When the term is used today, it is meant as a compliment to one who remains a true Democrat, no matter what.

From C-Span

For a brief time it became known as "Dixiecrat":

The States' Rights Democratic Party, usually known as the Dixiecrat Party, was a short-lived splinter group that broke from the Democratic Party in 1948, when President Harry Truman announced that his platform would advocate the passage of civil rights laws. The Dixecrats were a group of Southern Democrats who opposed integration and wanted to retain Jim Crow laws and racial segregation.

- From Wikipedia

Now, the term Dixiecrat has become to mean someone who tends to be conservative in most beliefs, but also supports Democrats because of their voting records in regards to farm subsidies.  They tend to vote for Republican presidents and Democrat congressmen.  However these congressmen can often be found crossing the isle and voting with the Republicans.  A good example of a modern Dixiecrat would be Zell Miller from Georgia and John Breaux from Louisiana.

[miko2d]

MRPLUTO: ...when he ran for president and was injured in the assasination attempt he was still an unrepentent racist.

To his eternal credit, he changed his ways and did come to believe in equal rights and respect for non-whites.

 It is a bit more complex than that.

 First and foremost, he was a state rights proponent. He believed that if the population of a state (majority) wanted to do something that was not expressly prohibited by Constitution, the federal government had no right to interfere.
 So a politician could be opposed to some issue within his state but once consensus was reached, as a governor it was his duty to protect it against interference from the central government.

 Also, he was not so much a "racist" as an opponent of a forced integration. Separate but equal and all that. Of course that "equal" principle was often abused but which principles aren't?
 The most harmfull racist anti-black laws at the time were laws adopted by northerners under the guise of union wage protection. Their only purpose was barring southern blacks from gaining employment in the north. This caused more harm to the blacks than any other discrimination except actual slavery.

 miko

[MRPLUTO]

Miko,

I'm not sure how you can come to the conclusion that northern laws to prevent employment of blacks caused more harm than the discrimination in the South.  The laws you speak of did exist, but blacks migrated north because despite these laws there was more opportunity and less discrimination than in the deep South.

About the states' rights argument...it's true that's what Wallace was, a state's rights advocate, but many racists hide behind that argument to legitimize discrimination.

  MRPLUTO

[miko2d]

MRPLUTO: ...it's true that's what Wallace was, a state's rights advocate, but many racists hide behind that argument to legitimize discrimination.

 It's also true that many people standing for state's rights, adherence to Constitution, free market. etc. are accused of being rasists, exploiters, having nefarious ulterior motives and are called names.


I'm not sure how you can come to the conclusion that northern laws to prevent employment of blacks caused more harm than the discrimination in the South.  The laws you speak of did exist, but blacks migrated north because despite these laws there was more opportunity and less discrimination than in the deep South.

 I should have said "have caused".
 What I ment was the damage they have caused up to this time - and going to cause in the future. Because those laws are still with us unlike the discrimination which is now mostly a thing of the past.

 The unions used racist sentiments of some politicians to push through the pro-union legislation for their material benefit. While those politicians hid behind socialist pro-labor rhetoric to legitimize discrimination,
 That raised the cost of labor, reduced the number of jobs and barred poor unqualified people from entering the job market and getting qualification.
 Those limitations affected all workers but since blacks were predominantly poor and unqualified, it affected them the most.

 The following governments preferred to throw balcks welfare handouts but keep the pro-labor legislation. Which resulted in blacks getting culturally and socially destroyed - they lost work culture, family, low illegitimacy, etc. - while jobs that could have gone to them left the country for good.

 Quite a few peoples suffered discrimination/oppression for long periods of time that kept them poor, abused but not destroyed them socially and allowed them to rise when it was eliminated.
 But an insidious discrimination masked as a concern for working people combined with fake concern for poor (welfare) proves to be more destructive.
 Southern blacks were coming to the north as families looking for work. Now nothern blacks sit in gettoes, families destroyed, on public welfare - while blacks from the West Indies arrive here every day and prosper.
 I view such destruction of a nation as greater harm - not least because it seems irreversible.

 miko

[Reschke]

Originally posted by JBA
I don't understand your point.
see results below.
red Republican won:  Blue Democrat won

My point exactly the Republicans won the state of Alabama handily. The only real areas where there is still hard core Democratic Party support is the Black Belt region which is the band of blue that goes through the middle section of Alabama. Its also where the population is predominately American's of African descent and happens to be where my American of Anglo-Saxon descent self come from.

I don't have a political affiliation per se. For me it has become who is the lesser of two evils within the local and national governments.

[Leslie]

Don't matter Reschke...they'e  negroids.   That's the new name for   nigs.





Les