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Cerceuilvolant · « **Reply #15 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:31:34 AM »

This is not the Maginot Line.

This picture is showing turrets from the Metz fortress, built by the Germans in the occupied Lorraine between 1871 and 1918. These are 105 mm guns, that were not in use in THE Maginot Line.

The fortress was modernized and refitted to the french standards between the wars.

The french propaganda used a lot the Metz fortress with displays for the international press. The Maginot Line was top secret during the Phoney War, and it was forbidden to publish pics of it. That's why they just allowed the journalists to take pics of the less well designed Metz fortress.

In the Maginot Line, such a concentration of turrets on a so tiny area, these external barrels easily taken out and non-retractable turrets would be an heresy.

ALL the turrets in the Maginot Line were looking like this:

brady · « **Reply #16 on:** November 05, 2003, 07:17:40 PM »

"Four years after being by-passed by the German Blitzkrieg, the guns
of the Maginot line are finally used against the Wehrmacht. American
artillerymen fired 600 rounds of German-made munitions from the
French guns at the retreating Germans on September 22, 1944
within hours of their capture. Photo dated September 28, 1944."

This is the original Photo Caption from my Pic source.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #17 on:** November 05, 2003, 09:54:24 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Thats where our action hero drops in the grenades - duh...

BS Grun, there's a cover on the vent!:lol

Cerceuilvolant · « **Reply #18 on:** November 05, 2003, 10:32:53 PM »

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Originally posted by brady
"Four years after being by-passed by the German Blitzkrieg, the guns
of the Maginot line are finally used against the Wehrmacht. American
artillerymen fired 600 rounds of German-made munitions from the
French guns at the retreating Germans on September 22, 1944
within hours of their capture. Photo dated September 28, 1944."

This is the original Photo Caption from my Pic source.

Books are sometimes wrong... A lot has to be done to get rid of the historical studies (especially inherited from Liddle Hart) more keen on using sources manipulated by the propaganda than true historical materials.

The Metz fortress was not a part of the Maginot Line. It belonged to the camp retranché de Metz . Metz is 60 km BEHIND the Maginot Line, not integrated to it.

brady · « **Reply #19 on:** November 05, 2003, 11:30:17 PM »

Yes they are, this is true, I know Metz is nowhear near the Magino line, howeaver I cant presently refute the image source and the photo caption, Iknow some of the magino line works were built late and to a lesser and differing standard than the norm so I cant say for shure that this photo is not indead corect, it is from what has howeaver proven to be a very good source for some of my Name This pick's, if you can name a source that disproves the original source I will gladely change the answer.

straffo · « **Reply #20 on:** November 06, 2003, 01:42:46 AM »

Perhaps you will find more data here :
http://braunn.chez.tiscali.fr/these.htm

http://users.swing.be/sw063818/fortif/index.htm

http://www.pinetreeline.org/metz/otherm4/otherm4-4.html

http://users.swing.be/sw063818/fortif/liens.htm

Cerceuilvolant · « **Reply #21 on:** November 06, 2003, 04:56:47 AM »

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Originally posted by brady
Yes they are, this is true, I know Metz is nowhear near the Magino line, howeaver I cant presently refute the image source and the photo caption, Iknow some of the magino line works were built late and to a lesser and differing standard than the norm so I cant say for shure that this photo is not indead corect, it is from what has howeaver proven to be a very good source for some of my Name This pick's, if you can name a source that disproves the original source I will gladely change the answer.

Sure:

Hommes et ouvrages de la Ligne Maginot Tomes I & II, by Jean-Yves Mary & Alain Honaedel, Histoire & Collection, 2000, THE reference on the Maginot Line, 500 pages of goodness, result of 30 years of studies.

Also, the link provided by Straffo, prooves it:

, from the Les deux ceintures de fortifications de la ville de Metz. (1867-1916)
(the two fortification belts of the city of Metz, 1867-1916). So these fortresses were build by the Germans during the occupation of the Alsace-Lorraine between 1871 and 1918. The first Maginot Line fortresses were built in 1930.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #22 on:** November 06, 2003, 09:36:34 AM »

Brady are you using a book or a website for your pictures? I noticed that most of your pictures were coming from a website (I will/did not reveal the addy so other can keep the picture guessing game).
Maybe the website is the copy of "a book".

brady · « **Reply #23 on:** November 06, 2003, 08:14:30 PM »

Metz fortress,it is:)

OK, After seeing the inrefutable refrences above and unpacking my book on Metz:) I can say that original source was in error, ty for pointing this out and for the great links above:)