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Offline J_A_B

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« Reply #105 on: December 06, 2001, 10:45:00 PM »
So the bad thing that happened to AW was when it changed its marketing system and began to attract a larger crowd by means such as a reduced price rate?  Ok, I can see how someone might not like having the atmosphere of their game changed in such a way.

Surely you must look at where AH is headed with some apprehension.  In addition to the lowered price there's the interviews with HTC that suggest that AH will indeed be searching for a broader audience, including FPS gamers.  What will you do then?  The AH of today will be no more.    

Pardon me for using the phrase "jump ship"--it DOES upon re-reading sound a bit negative although it wasn't intended to be so--but seriously, the AH landscape will change just as AW's did, and if anything even more drastically.  The community's changes weren't something unique to AW--such changes are unavoidable as a game grows.  Have you thought about this?  Will you leave AH just as you left AW?    

Plan for it, don't just play AH and one day find that everything you liked about the game is gone.  

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« Reply #106 on: December 06, 2001, 11:07:00 PM »
Wetsy saz J_A_B (and Arlo ... and everyone else)is (are) th' bitter one(s) .....

 What's it been ... two years here? And you STILL haven't gotten over it?

 Hmmmmmmmm?

 

 "Why ah uhmember a-flyin' in AW and it wuz even worser! Let me tell ya `bout it!"
                     -Wetsy Googlehiemer

 I'll be lookin' for that same refreshing pov in every topic you visit, be it about DAR, Christmas or the esoteric value of postage stamps.  :D

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« Reply #107 on: December 07, 2001, 07:35:00 AM »
Let me first say I can't quite recall two people who put the strangest twists or on what is clearly written by someone in my online life. You and Arlo take the cake. Literally.


"Surely you must look at where AH is headed with some apprehension."

 Yes I do. In so much as all the "peeps" who used to be safely tucked away in thier AW RR playpens now must find a place to go.

 But I welcome change and with no problem. In reality some folks like you do NOT which is quite evident in your posts. Change has been been a part of AH since day one and it is very refreshing after something so unchanging and stale. Well AW did experience change if you were an AW player but only in community turn over, in how AW was packaged and marketed (hey folks we got Bop Da Bunny, Kinasta and a wicked neat kEwL game called AW too! But wtahc your step, don't mind the GILS and look at the ads! ads! ads!) and of course a repeat of what I said earlier about "who" it had to attract. Numbers are quantity. Not an indication of quality.

 Here's an very appropriate anlogy to think about. AW was like the old road side diner where there was a small core of loyal clientelle who didn't mind that they had meat and potatoes on the menu. Nothing on the menu ever changed. Meat and potatoes. Day in, day
out. Year after year. SOme custoemrs stopped by and when they grew tired of meat and potatoes they either asked for more selection, asked that condiments be provided or that the meat be cooked properly. It took Mohammed time from moving that mountain to help get anything changed in AW. (Spitfire wings rip? lol. That was a good change. Never mind the really porked FM's of several aircraft like the 190) But as long as you liked just meat and potatoes AW was home. Some customers never bothered asking for the meat to be cooked right or that they add butter to the potatoes. However managemment knew they could get customers if they gave the old diner a facelift. They tried changing the curtains, putting out a blinking neon banner saying all you can eat for $9.99, prettier paper plates,  a kids gym (like MickeyDeee's) and a brand spanking new twenty foot tall blazing pink bunny with which to attract customers. Still all that was inside was the same basic meat and potatoe dish they 'd been serving for years.  Customers wanted service and variety along with honesty and quality. Thier complaints on the driveway geting to the diner as well as being able to remain even in the parking lot fell on numb-eared, glaze eyed customer help. They knew the problems were always the customers, of course.  And ultimately the customers received mere patronizing  comments and assurances that indeed in just "two weeks" the diner would certainly provide customers with salt & pepper, vegetable side dishes, utensils, napkins and by god even some dessert choices. "The plan" was in the works. Well the people with "the plan" were canned because the new management had an agenda of thier own. "The plan" came years too late.
 However the few remaining AW customers recieved noe more surprise when the original owner of the diner suddenly appeared like the cavalry and actually mingled with them for the first time in ages. Wiping down tables and asking the few left what they wanted. Assuring them that the diner was being still able to be remade after all into what the customers always wanted. They had a 'new' budgeted plan! One that had the sly thumbs up from the new management crew standing behind him in thier shiny green suits, wearing dark Raybans, snapping chewing gum and saying 'whatever ya want baby, whatever ya want". The customers just didn't see the eyes roll or hear the snickers from the "suits" when they talked amongst themselves.  Well we all know they closed the diner today. The new managment saw AW as the loss leader it was and only the blind didn't see that coming when EA bought it up. It was only a matter of time before the windows were boarded up and the place was shut down. The new management wanted the pieces and what AW was sitting on.  Not AW.  


 AH by HTC on the other hand is a clean, fresh place. Somehwere ALL of the customers are able to feel special and part of not just the AH experience but also in the development. A place where the cooks come out and mingle with the customers, where the management actively listens to the customers as to their wants and wishes, AH is a place where the customers opinion counts and problems are listened to and worked on. Variety and change are the staple at AH. Not stagnation and complacency. AH is not a place where customers have no resort to prodding, begging, having to get on thier knees to kiss a ring finger and basically grovel (for years  too) to get something fixed or changed.

 Reality sux for you guys huh?

 Westy

[ 12-07-2001: Message edited by: O'Westy ]

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« Reply #108 on: December 07, 2001, 08:07:00 AM »
Depends on which reality you're talking about, Wetsy. Yours .... or everyone else's.

 I'm fine, thanks for asking, carry on (literally).  ;)

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« Reply #109 on: December 07, 2001, 08:15:00 AM »
" or eveyone elses"

  Whatever, "Avenger"

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« Reply #110 on: December 07, 2001, 09:35:00 AM »
This is going nowhere.   HiTech/Pyro, please shut this damn thread down, it doesn't pertain to AH anymore anyway and is just wasting your webspace.

If you want to continue this with me Westy (I'm game), I read TK's newsgroup.

I will just correct one outright wrong statement.  AW didn't "stagnate" at all until 1999 or so when Kesmai no longer controlled its development program, and even then there were semi-frequent patches.  In 1994 they were still in DOS AW on Genie.  In 1998 AW3 (the FIRST MMP flightsim to have 3D rendering or voice communications or a host of other features) was released.  In between there was AWFW and AW2 and all had several patches.

Just because AW never changed how YOU wanted it to, doesn't mean it never improved.

J_A_B

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« Reply #111 on: December 07, 2001, 09:51:00 AM »
Can't take the discussion so you call on HTC to shut it down?  Make the bad man stop saying the bad werds!! <eye roll>

 I downloaded the entire 40k msgs of the Kraits BW last night to make one last final AW archive addition. I can burn one last AW CD and it'll go in the desk drawer for posterity. When it was done downloading I took the liberty of reading some of the "Farewell AW" posts before deleting the 230mb  news group. One post stood out like a beacon.  You should read it. Go find Brookes post on AW as it was for him and the others in the late 80's and early-mid 90's. His post makes it so abundantly clear as to how AW did in fact change.

  You've got a bad case of denial and selective memory. Going elsewhere to discuss it won't change that anything for you at all. The finally proof is in the pudding. AW closed today and you're having a hard time coming to grips with that as well as Arlo. Actually? Especially Arlo. Amost to the point I'd almost suggest some professional "help" if it weren't that you and Arlo would misconstrue that as a slam and not sound advice.  

 Feel free of course to reply and continue the discussion here. OR not. The ball is in your court.

 Westy

[ 12-07-2001: Message edited by: O'Westy ]

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« Reply #112 on: December 07, 2001, 10:04:00 AM »
No, actually I wish this thread closed because it really doesn't pertain to AH at all anymore.  Aren't you among those who wish for blatantly off-topic posts to not clutter this board?  I doubt very many of the people reading this board care to read junk of this sort.

As I said, if you'd like to continue we can, even the "O club" is fine.  Your disgruntled misinformation doesn't phase me a bit.

I can only wonder what caused you to become so....angry....towards AW and everyone who likes it.  I certainly never had any past grudge with you.

I'm not having any difficulty coping with AW closing down at all.  I'm not that attached to a computer game.  All things must end sooner or later.  It was fun while it lasted.   Enjoy AH while it's here.

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« Reply #113 on: December 07, 2001, 10:39:00 AM »
I don't understand your problem then JAB. I'm not angry in the least. I'm expressing my opinion quite literally and with no emotion at all much I would do if I was talking about the mistakes made by Sony with the betamax, the marketing comedy dubbed the Edsel or the three ring circuso nown as the 1986 Red Sox. Why does that seem to elude you or Arlo? Why? Because the problem is you two cannot seperate your emotions from your discussion and as a result you project that crap into my posts. If Westy says something bad about AW he must be mad and bitter. Good lord, you both have hang ups on that.

 I just edited the last part out. Enough is enough.   This is getting no where as it's simply a rehash of two years of discussion that occurded BW. AW is now gone and that makes this a pointless discussion about it.

 Westy

[ 12-07-2001: Message edited by: O'Westy ]

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« Reply #114 on: December 07, 2001, 11:28:00 AM »
"Good cod, Arlo and then you started this roadkill session by posting directly to me."

However, you said:

"And JAB, it's not NO dar. It's not INFLIGHT dar."

Another misstatement of yours unquestionably disproven.  The above quote is from your post, the 6th post in this thread, and the first to name any of us by name.  Arlo actually came into it later.

I figure you're being emotional in your postings because you said you were being so:

"My apology for going off on an tangent with AW having a leading role. The exact statement you (Rotor) used pressed an old nerve and the result is easy to see."

So I don't HAVE to assume you have an "old nerve" regarding AW--you said you do yourself!  

Face it.   You've got a lot pent up bad feelengs over your experiences in AW, and those bad feelings prevent you from having anything even close to an objective viewpoint.   Nothing wrong with that, it's just being human.

J_A_B

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« Reply #115 on: December 07, 2001, 11:41:00 AM »
The discussion with you ended up being a three-way between me, you and Arlo. (that sounds sick actually...) and my tone with you took on the one I had with Arlo. Much the same way when three people are discussing the  same subject, albeit with different tones, face to face. It's hard to be sarcastic with one person and pleasant to the other when the topic is hot to begin with.  Please don't confuse my trying to impart inflection and emphasis in trying to get my point across in my postings with you as any actual emotion for the AW game itself. My apology for treating the discussion with you the same I was with Arlo. Not that my actual points would change. The intent to deliver them coldly and without consideration would have.

 As for the nerve Rotor hit unintentionally (so he says) it got the reply it did because he used a phrase I absolutely hated when I saw it used so often by the the AW team. Much the same way I hate the terms "down sizing" or "realigning corporate assets" when companies talk about firing people and lay offs. Emotion? No, not really. It was more of a knee jerk reaction? A reflex.

 Westy

[ 12-07-2001: Message edited by: O'Westy ]

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« Reply #116 on: December 07, 2001, 11:45:00 AM »
"emphasis in trying top get my point"


"to"


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« Reply #117 on: December 07, 2001, 11:47:00 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by O'Westy:
(so he says)

 Westy

I ......... words fail me, seriously.

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« Reply #118 on: December 07, 2001, 12:35:00 PM »
Arlo, have you downloaded Aces High yet?

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« Reply #119 on: December 07, 2001, 01:29:00 PM »
Aces High, hblair?  Is that what this forum is about???   :D
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