Author Topic: Talk about your kills (Read 3278 times)

Widewing · « **Reply #30 on:** November 09, 2003, 07:03:58 PM »

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Originally posted by hogenbor
I might be tempted to try the A-20 this but I think I lack the skill. With 100% concentration I can barely hold my own in the G-10 (my new 'challenge'), damn difficult plane to shoot anyone down in but easy to get away in.

To be more realistic I never have met an A-20 that I could not kill, actually my first kill in AH was an A-20. But I'm prepared to believe a skilled pilot can make it work. Still, I believe Widewing gave the secret away and that is diving away to over 450mph. If during a pursuit the a20 cannot kill you must be able to get seperation and outclimb him, then finish him with superior E.

But doesn't the A-20 bleed energy terribly in hard maneuvering, like the Mossie? That is useless in the vertical...

I'm just an average pilot with about a year AH but I is the A-20 really that good or is it just Widewing's skill?

Only one way to find out, gonna up an a-20 and get me some fights.

What makes the A-20 so effective is the fact that most players have no clue of the plane's capabilities and are completely shocked when it does something they perceive is not possible.

Engaging a Havoc at altitudes below 10k can be a challenge if the A-20 knows the bomber's capabilities and limitations. Below 5k it's even tougher, because it's easier to control dive speeds at lower levels. Dive speed is the one real weakness of the Havoc. However, its dive acceleration is better than any fighter, so it is possible to run them down before you have to start killing E to avoid breaking the aircraft. I think that I've gotten really good at not overspeeding the A-20, yet I have still managed to fatally break two so far this tour, and safely ditched another that I had ripped the elevators from. In one case, I was hard after a P-51, easily hauling him in, but I had forgotten the four bombs under my wings, which promptly failed when I pulled lead for a shot.. The net result was my target got the proxy on me!:lol

Surprisingly, the Havoc does not bleed E as bad as one might think. It has 3,200 hp and enough weight to generate some impressive zoom climbs. Douglas used a relatively high aspect ratio wing, highly tapered with large ailerons. What that means is good climb, good turning and fast rolling for its size and configuration. Wing loading is less than a considerable number of the fighters in the game, as long as you keep fuel load to the minimum you need to complete the sortie.

Recently in the CT, they had a modified version of the Slot set-up that included the A-20G. It goes without saying that the A6M2 has no chance against the Havoc. At any time of the day, fully 1/4 of the Allied pilots were flying the A-20 as a fighter and the Zero drivers had their hands more than full.

I'm convinced that if the top pilots flying AH tried the A-20G, they would run up similar scores to that obtained in their favorite ride. All they would need to do is learn to control their speed downhill.

I believe the A-20 really is that good. However, I've killed A-20s with ease (while flying an A-20) when rather than maneuver, the pilot simply manned the rear guns.

My regards,

Widewing

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #31 on:** November 09, 2003, 08:41:57 PM »

I agree about the A-20's prowess as a fighter. Other than the P-38, it's the only other plane that I really have any measurable flying time in. As a turn fighter, there is almost no equal. Like Widewing said, a lot of pilots are surprised at the agility of the A-20 and how easily it can out turn most, if not all of the fighters in the game. I know last night those 3 Zekes I shot down were sure as hell surprised to see an A-20 reverse on them and able to stay on their tails no matter how many evasives they tried. And the forward firing .50s make short work of any plane, usually one burst kills.

While the top turret is basically useless in the A-20 due to it's very limited field of fire, it's fun to bring along a gunner if you just plane on using the A-20 as a fighter. While you are busy maneuvering and turning with the enemy, the top turret gunner just needs to point the guns upwards and he'll get a shot on the enemy plane through the turns. Also if you find yourself in a fight and a second bad guy shows up, the top turret gunner can make enage the second enemy while you're maneuvering with the first bandit.

ack-ack

Widewing · « **Reply #32 on:** November 10, 2003, 12:43:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
And the forward firing .50s make short work of any plane, usually one burst kills.

I killed several B-17s and Lancasters tonight with the A-20. Those tightly grouped guns make it an awesome Buff killer.

I tried something different. I set up 1.4k behind a B-17. The pilot was already in his tail guns, having trashed a Spitfire trying to close from behind. He opened fire on me, but this rounds fell short. I raised the nose a bit and opened fire, lighting up the B-17 like Coney Island. One long burst obliterated it...

Six guns vs two guns, and no convergence to factor in. You can't do that with 30mm armed Bf 110, because the range is too great for the cannons. But, it's well within range of the concentrated battery of fifties.

I did a similar thing to a Lancaster. Except the range was only 1k and I worked the rudder back and forth, lighting up the Lanc from wingtip to wingtip. Guys, remember this the next time you're chasing Buffs with the A-20.

My regards,

Widewing

DrDea · « **Reply #33 on:** November 10, 2003, 02:08:05 AM »

I was with ya till ya said LGAY7.Then I wrote ya off as a dweeb:lol

Rutilant · « **Reply #34 on:** November 10, 2003, 03:58:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Widewing

Six guns vs two guns, and no convergence to factor in. You can't do that with 30mm armed Bf 110, because the range is too great for the cannons. But, it's well within range of the concentrated battery of fifties.

Not quite two..

If it's a full formation that's six from just the tail, then the 6 from the ball turret which almost always has a shot on a 6 approach.. 12 vs 6

If it was only one that's at least 4 firing on you.

Drunky · « **Reply #35 on:** November 10, 2003, 10:11:03 AM »

I killed a plane....once.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #36 on:** November 10, 2003, 10:44:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Drunky
I killed a plane....once.

I bet it was me.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Curval · « **Reply #37 on:** November 10, 2003, 12:25:41 PM »

Rude tried to steal a kill from me the other day but I messed it all up. I was SUPPOSED to have him kill shooter on me and THEN kill the con....but I had an itchy trigger finger.

SLO · « **Reply #38 on:** November 11, 2003, 07:16:27 AM »

GV's attackin our base....

up my trusted Hurri 2c.....

2 190's over base keeping cover for gv's.....

after multiple BnZ passes that put me to sleep.....

1 of those 190 makes a mistake......dumbprettythang makes a pass at my trusty Hurri:mad:

here comes the screaming D9 full speed.....right left right.....pffffftttt....ping ping ping......190 smokin an running home to momma.....

1 minute later.....you have shot down MANDOBLE:aok

slowhands lands 9 kills in hurri 2 c:rofl

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #39 on:** November 11, 2003, 08:24:17 AM »

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Originally posted by SLO
1 minute later.....you have shot down MANDOBLE:aok

No way! I can't believe that MANDOBLE would participate in a situation where he had altitude, numbers, and all possible advantages.

This must be a lie.

-- Todd/Leviathn

mars01 · « **Reply #40 on:** November 11, 2003, 09:30:15 AM »

Ok I'll bite 8)

I was up looking for strat porkers in a 190 A5 when I came across an NOE mission.

There were 8 NOE 110s, after I got a hold on my salavation, I wiped my chin and dove in. Now 8 against 1 you would think they would have peeled off and ganged me. Luckly they didnt so they suffered the wrath. LoL what little wrath I have hehehe.

1 by 1 I pulled in behind the conga line and blasted em. They all jumped in their rear guns as if the rear gun in a 110 is at all effective. IT was like shooting the drones offline lol. I wish I could remember the squad it was oh well.

Outa bullets and all 110s and goon dead I RTB.

OK so it wasnt the most challenging run but it sure was a fun one.

icemaw · « **Reply #41 on:** November 11, 2003, 01:01:15 PM »

FURBALL a44 a 262 had been rope a doping a bunch of fools that kept trying to climb up to him. I was low just furballing away when I got singled out. 262 zaps me while I am low and slow. I was fine with him poppin the fools climbing up to him but getting cherry picked like that just got on my nerves. So I up a d9 at a2. Wep up to 20k and go to hunt the bastage down.

I come into 44 level 20k 300mph. I see the 262 he just popped someone else. Hes on the zoom going straight up. I zoom in my view his canopy is turned away from me he has no idea I am coming. I barley had to move the stick as he topped out on his zoom. Hes just hanging there I can emagine his stall horn blaring he is looking back at all the dopes hanging on thier props trying to get a shot. Hes smiling ok whos it gonna be who my next biotch. The suddenly hes back in his tower wondering wtf just happened.

I do a smart victory roll. Dive down and land at 44. Reup my furballer and go back to having fun with a big smile on my face. Thinking ya who the biotch now.

SLO · « **Reply #42 on:** November 12, 2003, 07:08:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
No way! I can't believe that MANDOBLE would participate in a situation where he had altitude, numbers, and all possible advantages.

This must be a lie.

-- Todd/Leviathn

......funny cause he came at so damn fast.....all I did was left right...pull trigger....and voila....D9 smokin

they where tryin to protect there GV raid......didn't work:aok