Worse than cursing

[Creamo]

 

Originally posted by Ripsnort:

Scarey what folks will do to get in the U.S.

Is this the part where we start insulting the wives? You might wanna leave that one alone.

...and take the picture of Lenny off yer messgage. That jokes over. I already proved how well you can attack real people over appearance while claiming to be Mr. Community leader. Get outta my boat.

[Thog]

Udie, the mail order bride thing used to really disturb me.  Then I had two conversations;
1) With a woman from India.  She had an arranged marrrage, as was common.  She talked extensively about it as a social standard.  The general gist I got was that it had it's bad point (definately), but it's good points as well.  She loved he husband and considered herself lucky.  What really got me was that nothing she said really sounded that different from what I hear from me local female friends in terms of trying to make the relationship work.  

2) I talked to a 'Russian Bride' from Uzbekistan.  It was both apparent why she wanted out, and that she was neither stupid or evil.  Still not something I would personally try, but I had to get off the high horse about it.

All that said, it sounds like the conversation heard by fradim was tactliss and obnoxious, but it is a bigger world than our tiny little viewpoint will show us on a day-to-day basis.  The PC mindset is destructive, and does more to encourage anger and less to encourage understanding than any Bubba-Buttslapping conversation I've heard in backwoods PA.

Thog

[miko2d]

 No one can argue about the rigt of any people to engage in a private conversation even if it is racist and derogatory to some of the people playing AH.
 Once they do it on the open, rather then private or squad channel, it becomes a different issue altogeter and it affects AH

 How many south-americans/jews/blacks/women/... would drop from AH if they see this kind of slur directed towards them even occasionally and nothing is done?

 For that matter I do not care if Gore and G.W. start a polite and meaningfull presidential debate on channel one. It's not polite to fill everybody elses text buffer with private crap and make channel 1 unusable for everybody else.

 As for having conversation on public channel in other language then the official one (English), it is also not very polite. I do understand such people, so thather then telling them to such up I would suggest that they, or better yet, HTC, to officially dedicate one channel to each major language spoken by the AH community - spanish, french, german, russian, etc...
 No progtamming is required, just en entry in readme file that ch XXX is french now and ch YYY is for racist discussions.

 As for "buying" russian wives by US citizens, Naso, have you tried living in Russia? Do you think they have any dignity left to sell?
 In fact, such a women automatically becomes an american citizen and has more rights, liberties and dignity then most europeans will ever know.
 As if arranged marriage is a thing of the past where you live...

 BTW, US expeditionary forces brought plenty of russian wives from their brief intervention in 1919.
 If you want to meet a beautiful, hard-working, intelligent, well-educated and unspoiled woman, you know where to look.

 Don't you guys have matching services and newspaper "would like to meet..." ads in your countries? What is so different if people meet internationally?
 Yes, there are expences involved and a husband would most likely have to help his wife's family after that. But again, she will be a citizen, even if she divorces him in 5 years, and in that case she will have rights on his property according to the state laws.

P.S. Don't know much about Phillipinos, but I know of a guy who got a wife there and they have a great loving family.

 Many american women are either spoiled lazy ignorant brats brought up just to marry successfully or educated and motivated but obsessed with their careers to the exclusion of all personal life. That is the bad side of living in a society wich can provide lot of comfort and great opportunities at the same time - first spoils, second distracts.
miko

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[Ripsnort]

     

...while claiming to be Mr. Community leader.Get outta my boat!

Errr, come again?  Seems you have a problem Creamo, heck, I don't have to resort to using the F word on the BBS, you do(want me to show you your own posts?) ...attack on wives? No, was a joke on your looks, and since I'm ugly, I joked about your picture you posted, so, Creamo, get a life.

Its obvious that you can insult people and walk away,  but when a joke is made about you, you feel insulted, do I see a trend here Creamo?

BTW, I was never in your boat, don't degradate me by implying I may have been in your boat to begin with.



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[AKDejaVu]

I work in a company with exposure to cultural differences that many could not begin to understand.  I don't pretend to have any in-depth knowledge as to any foreign country's goings on and don't pretend to.  I do know a great deal about men and women from all over the world getting along.

I worked for someone that was Indian.  He was just married (arranged) and now has a little boy.  He is from a different tier of their cast system as another one of his co-workers.  It was a complete revelation to me in regards to the workings of India's culture.

I have a good friend at work that just married a woman from Russia.  Nobody was "bought".  All money involved went to the service that connected them.  He was fluent in German, and is pickup up Russian quite well.  She is doing very well with her English.  She adores him and he returns every bit of it.  They are working on their second child.

I have another friend that was on a plane from Japan when he met a Japanese woman that he really hit it off with.  They fell in love, but the relationship was terminated after her parents found out she was dating an American.  Later, he met a Korean woman over the internet that he later married.  They are on their second child and it is a pleasure to hang around both of them.

I have an aquaintance that is on the opposite end of the spectrum.  No offense to the originator of this thread.. but he is "into" Brazillian women.  He's on his 4th Brazillian wife... er... he's just finished with his 4th Brazillian wife and is currently dating a 19 year old Brazillian woman.  There is a very good reason why this man is an "aquaintance" and not a friend.  I cannot respect him.

I'm sorry that people are offended that any of this goes on.  I'm sorry that people are that sensitive.  I'm also sorry that we are having a discussion on how sensitive we should be in the arena.

AKDejaVu

[miko2d]

 

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
he met a Japanese woman ...  but the relationship was terminated after her parents found out she was dating an American

 Compications of internationall relationships? Cast system? No need to go that far. Want to give your jewish mother a heart attack? Try telling her you are marrying a russian girl...  
 Quite a few relationships I knew were broken because of that but I think in most cases the prospective bride actually benefited in the long run. Except in cases where she could have left the country - in Soviet Union only jews and germans could leave the country because of the internationall pressure and in exchange for US grain trade.
miko

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[AKDejaVu]

Oh.. and for anyone that thinks that I over-reacted in my first post.

Read the title of this thread.

What was just banned.

This is worse.

What is the implication.

AKDejaVu

[Badger]

I have a headache......  

[Rooster]

Fradim, I understand that you were upset by the public chat that you saw. Could you please elucidate on what your personal code of ethics would allow people to discuss on open comm?   Then if everyone else would please respond with their personal prejudices we could then have a big kill filter to save everyone from being offended in any way what so ever. Or better yet get rid of the text chat and just have a drop down box, with "nice bounce", "hello everyone" etc....   no "good kill" tho. That could be seen to promote killing and offend those who have been victims of a violent crime.  

[Kieren]

Another way to look at this whole MA atmosphere debate:

We now have two tools to make the atmosphere more palatable for those who have grown tired of the behavior; squelch and filter.

One of the options is controllable by us, the other is implemented with the dual purpose of eliminating a lot of the "noise" and to send a message to all that there are acceptable levels of behavior. HTC alone dictates what those levels are, and we are to abide by those desires.

When and if HTC determines that the filter has served its purpose it can be disabled. We have the ability to end it, and we accomplish that by behaving.

The filter doesn't totally prevent people from being abusive- indeed I doubt there truly is a panacea for that end. It does send a message (or at least, should) that the MA atmosphere is a bit out of hand. Squelch can help fill in the gaps where the filter does not bring satisfaction.

[Westy]

 I agree with you Kieren. I just wanted to weigh in with a show of solidarity for a fellow player who lives in another country.

 My piece been said, I'm avoiding soap box's for a while.
 
 -Westy

[Creamo]

DrippyShorts, I watched you flop around like a fish for a week over that spoof picture. You couldn't insult it enough. Indeed, you were in the boat 'ol boy. That's why you saved the picture in the first place eltardo.

You can feel free to insult me of course. I don't mind, and am used to worse on squad night. But even scumbags know mothers and wives are off limits when talking toejam.

Please remove the picture of Lenny, it's not yours to distribute. Lets not start a pissin match. It's giving Badger a headache, and I have no life meaning lotsa extra pissin time.

OH, and download Crimson Skies if you want to see how well a Pacific Theater can be done. Well worth it.



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[AKSeaWulfe]

If it bothers you, move on. Like cursing it's just a string of words put together to form a sentence from the mind of an ignorant reject. There's no need to police the comms. The focus of this game is air combat not to focus on the ignorance, stupidity, or just plain foolishness of the mulitude of degenerates playing Aces High.
Words are words, it's actions that piss me off.
-SW

[Ripsnort]

Agreed Creamo, but again, no dis to wife, the dis was  to you, read the post again...who's Lenny?  Thought that was you?

Cya at con, ya fat drunk bastige...

[miko2d]

 

Originally posted by Rooster:
... Could you please elucidate on what your personal code of ethics would allow people to discuss on open comm?   Then if everyone else would please respond with their personal prejudices we could then have a big kill filter to save everyone from being offended in any way what so ever. Or better yet get rid of the text chat and just have a drop down box, with "nice bounce", "hello everyone" etc....   no "good kill" tho. That could be seen to promote killing and offend those who have been victims of a violent crime.  

 I could easily program one of my controllers to produce the following combination:
"/XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX<Enter>
<Shift>/XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX<Enter>
<Ctl>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX<Enter>"
 Then I could make a simple device that would press that button twice a second, so all you see in the ch1 buffer and country buffer is XXXXXXX...
 Since I have a DSL line, I could just leave it on 24 hours 7 days a week for my $30 flat rate fee.
 Would you, Rooster, argue that nobody should interfere and stop me?

 You probably would, but HTC would say "you hurt our revenue - you are out of here!" They are not here to protect my constitutional right to annoy other people. They are here to make money while doing things they love. Irritating their customers is not conductive to either of their goals.

 Their (HTC) solutions to problms are usually a bit late but very smart and well-founded. There is probably a reason why people with stupid ideas do not have their own companies...

 miko