F4c kill death ratio

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Ripsnort:


Incidently, when I flew the A8 for a tour, my K/D Ratio was equal in both planes, I flew them the same way...both are pigs in ATA when you have the disadvantage.

Rip the problem is that for each pilot who rides the F4U1C in the right way (as you, as Indian, As Apache, as Torque...) there are three that fly it as a pure and endless dweeb.

There are people here who use the F4U1C as a long range praying bird. People who dont mind firing half his rounds on 900 yard shots as long as they hit their prey...and of course if they hit it the prey falls from the sky in 2 or more pieces.

As a matter of fact I'll tell you a secret. First day I came here, first kill I got, was in a SpitfireIX near the Ex-field of F3. I killed the guy firing from 800 yards and hitting it when he was 1.1K away.2 pings and his wing went bye bye (as usually happens with hispanos)

Those days I also thought that the range was in feet not yards,so I wasnt surprised.

I repeat...FIRST DAY I CAME HERE. No rudder pedals and a yoke. 1K kill from a complete newbie who still was crashing one of two take offs.

That with a plane with 125rounds per cannon. The F4U1-C has 480,and 4 not 2 cannons.

now you see my point?. If a dweeb newbie Like the one I was can do that...with a bit of practice you will be the Turbolaser master.

And I can tell the name of a guy who flies a lot F4U1C in MA,who is here before I came, and whose only tactic is to climb to 25K, and start head oning low cons. no ACM no E-fighting. Simply HO and zoom away. He raises 3-4 kills this way on the MA, he has killed me a lot of times...still he has to kill me from anything near my 6.

THat is what C hog brings to AH. Dweebish-like pilots in quakehogs. No challenge here, simple HO and long range shooting.

As I told Apache the other day, F4U1-C is NOT a dweeb plane, but a plane flown by a lot of dweebs.

Damnit I raised a 4 kill sortie in F4UC the second time I flew it!!!! and I still had problems landing and taking off with a spit!!!

 

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[Ripsnort]

I still  don't understand your point, are you saying that the Hispanos are porked? The F4U-1C is porked?  I thought we had this debate 2 months ago, prior to the fix?

Sounds to me like some ego's are getting shot down in this thread...I've flown all the planes in AH, and when I get shot down, I can in most cases base the death upon my own stupidity of A) Allowing myself to let a enemy get on my six, and B) not allowing enough distance and internal energy, thus allowing a plane to shoot me down.

I would guess that most cases mentioned involve one plane running and one plane chasing...I say "Bravo" to the guy who can accurately hit me at D1.0 or further, since I know it took a helluva lot of ammo to do so, whether he be in an F4U or a P51 or a A8.

If you don't like the historical  fact that Hispanos were superior to the Mauser 20mm, then I suggest you either try to re-write history, or start flying planes with Hispano's, theres  been enough evidence referenced to by the members of this community in the fire-power of Hispano's vs. Mausers.

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[Ripsnort]

   

Ram:And I can tell the name of a guy who flies a lot F4U1C in MA,who is here before I came, and whose
                  only tactic is to climb to 25K, and start head oning low cons. no ACM no E-fighting. Simply HO and
                  zoom away. He raises 3-4 kills this way on the MA, he has killed me a lot of times...still he has to
                  kill me from anything near my 6.

Whats the difference between  him and hristos in a G10, or Cita in a P38, doing the same thing????  And define a HO...it  does take you to turn your nose to him for an HO, does it not?

BTW, that player  you speak of has a 3 to 1 K/D ratio in the hog,(2.41 overall) which is not good compared to others in the hog.



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[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Ripsnort:
I still  don't understand your point, are you saying that the Hispanos are porked? The F4U-1C is porked?  I thought we had this debate 2 months ago, prior to the fix?

The hispanos do amazing amounts of damage with one ping. YEs they have been fixed. Before with one ping you went down. now there are 2 pings needed, at least. Big improvement, huh?.But well there is people saying that it *should* have this power, so I wont pull this thing any more.

No,rip, my point is not the C hog porked. nor the Hispanos porked. My point is that the simple presence of a stable aircraft (f4U) with 4 lazer cannons (hispanos) is a mix that makes gameplay a joke. Last week I have seen 1K+ shooting in a regular basis and I by myself have been killed that way multiple times.

THe thing is-the F4UC is destroying this game's fun. 1K kills have nothing to do with egos. no skill involved here rip. Only pray&spray.

IF a dweeb cant kill me in a close combat I dont understand why can he kill me at 1K when I am moving away while turning a bit.

The fact is: 1K kills were possible in RL, but not very probable.

With Chog here is the inverse. If you set a long convergence the 1K kill is probable.

Because range counters because no wind, because what you want. The fact is that those kind of kills and the HO dweebs are killing this game.Period.

 

Sounds to me like some ego's are getting shot down in this thread...I've flown all the planes in AH, and when I get shot down, I can in most cases base the death upon my own stupidity of A) Allowing myself to let a enemy get on my six, and B) not allowing enough distance and internal energy, thus allowing a plane to shoot me down.

I have flown, too all and every plane of the planeset. And I quite know to fly decent in each one ,except typhoon  .

I agree with your A point.I  disagree with your B point. You have read 3 times why so I wont repeat it.

And again no egos involved. Whenever I am killed by a skillful enemy in whatever plane, a S! is on the buffer in the same second as I die. Whenever I am killed at 1K from a spraying Hispanodweeb the second after it he gets a Dweeb! call on the buffer.

For each one what he earns. a S! or a DWEEB!.

Strange, that very few times I've been killed by top pilots in long range shots...Fariz is the last one I recall...

From 1K as he admitted. And with ONE shot.

 

I would guess that most cases mentioned involve one plane running and one plane chasing...

For me half the time it happens is when I am getting separation to start a vertical reverse (Hammerhead, immelmann, whatever)...

or in the vertical itself.

 

If you don't like the historical  fact that Hispanos were superior to the Mauser 20mm, then I suggest you either try to re-write history, or start flying planes with Hispano's, theres  been enough evidence referenced to by the members of this community in the fire-power of Hispano's vs. Mausers.

Most things I've read about hispanos here is about its high muzzle speed and good ballistics.

Nothing about its explosive performance.

Curious I have read a lot about Mauser's hitting powers(and saw a lot of photos too) on Bombers and I have read nothing like that about hispanos...

Maybe who is rewritting here the history is not me.

But...who knows?. my point is not the hispanos. My point is a plane that destroys AH's gameplay.

And F4U1-C does it.

[Zigrat]

I think the f4u-1c is a more than fair airplane versus fighters. It has shortcomgings that can be easily exploited. The one thing where the f4u-1c iss unfair IMHO is buff killing (they are much better buff killers than the german birds, both tougher and better armed) and tank busting; For air 2 air engagements, while the hispanos have good hitting power, i can usually avoid them unless it is a very skilled pilot, in which case he derserves to shoot me down.

Just don't say mausers are just as good as hispanos. They aren't. But they shouldn't be either. The mausers  i the 190 have crappy ROF due to syncronization and they are  slower round. They SHOULD be weaker. I am no B-17 pilot by any means, but i went buff hunting in a f4u several times and it was much easier than in a luftwaffe bird. Which kinda takes the fun historical aspect out of the game. For me, it was fun to scramble with StSanta and Coop and other knights all in g10s to intercept a incoming bish B17 raid because it felt more historical. Unfortunately, the best interceptor isn't a german bird.

[Ripsnort]

 

THe thing is-the F4UC is destroying this game's fun. 1K kills have nothing to do with egos. no skill involved here rip. Only pray&spray.

But the guy running from the F4U-1C is using skill? ROTFLOL!!!

[Ripsnort]

 

And F4U1-C does it.

Oh, the F4U-1C does it all?  Have you flown it an entire tour?

It sucks in climbing, A5 blows it away in climbs.

It sucks in turning, A5, again, can out turn it.

It can't run from half the planes in AH nor can it dive away from half the planes in AH...


So, whats it good at again? Ah, Cannons...hispanos at that, the same guns on the Spit...except X4, which is twice the hitting power of a spit.

A5 IMO is the ultimate Dweeb plane. But you won't catch me acting like a 5 year old calling my death a "Dweeb shot"...

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[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Ripsnort:
But the guy running from the F4U-1C is using skill? ROTFLOL!!!

Uh...yeah. for me the thing that makes me not have a high K/D is that I never know when to let the engagement. So I stay with 4-1 odds too much time.

To know WHEN to disengage in combat is too part of the flying skills.

IMO, of course.

BTW many 1K kills happen to me when I am BnZooming.

I am sure you never BnZ eh rip? 'cause is a lack of skill.

uh,yeah.

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Ripsnort:
 Oh, the F4U-1C does it all?  Have you flown it an entire tour?

YEs I did. Dont remember the K/D ratio but for a guy who doesnt know to takeoff wasnt that bad.


 

It can't run from half the planes in AH nor can it dive away from half the planes in AH...

Is the 4th faster plane on the deck, the third forgetting the Typhoon (no need to run more than this one, BTW). It can outrun anything but a G10 and P51 on the deck...
and they have problems to do it.


 

Cannons...hispanos at that, the same guns on the Spit...except X4, which is twice the hitting power of a spit.

that is exactly for me the reason because the spitfire is the second dweeb plane on AH.

 

A5 IMO is the ultimate Dweeb plane. But you won't catch me acting like a 5 year old calling my death a "Dweeb shot"...

Because I am sure you'll never see a 190 firing at 1K.

BTW A5 dweeb plane?...lol

But well is your opinion  

[StSanta]

Dammo people, bash Hristo all ya want, but for the gods sakes, do it for the right reasons.

Hristo's kills come 90% from the rear, and he's been quite vocal about "no HO's guys" when we've flown with him.

I know how he flies. I am his wingie, and we've flown quite a few sorties together.

Many perceive him as an arrogant bastard who gloats over his kills. Fine; you're entitled to your opinions. But that has nothing to do with how he flies, and he does not, like the other famous F4U driver (I know who  ) just reverse for the HO or go for the HO every time.

These are just the facts. And, I have films to back up my words.

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[Ripsnort]

Hey Ram, nothing personal, okay?  Its  just that when this topic was  brought up before, I went out and tested the F4U-1C, and consistently got deadly hits with my drone friend  at D1.1-D1.5.  After the fix I can get strikes at D1.0, but it takes ALOT of ammo,and ALOT of 'hit sprites' to do so now, so, IMO, they fixed something.

The Hog D and C are at quite a disadvantage against  alot of fighters in AH, so, having 4X 20 hispanos seems to equalize it.

I'm outta here for two weeks, so take care, fly fast, and keep D2.0 between you and the bandit! <S>

Santa, I was referring to the HO shot itself, some do it more  than others, but it TAKES TWO to get killed...I can successfully avoid ALL HO shots today...and I do, unless I'm out of options (low and slow) I simply referred to good pilots vs rookies who spray and pray, the fact being, if you get HO's, its your damn fault.

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[Torque]

THe thing is-the F4UC is destroying this game's fun. 1K kills have nothing to do with egos. no skill involved here rip. Only pray&spray Yes Ram and there is skill involved in a G10 climb or run tactic, or 1905 warp induced barrel rolls. The F4u pilot is a dweeb for using his adv but the G10 pilot is an ace when he just runs and climbs.

[Ash]

Rip,
    You can't have alot of ego flying the G10 and I always check my ego in the tower when I fly. But, I'm surprized you think a 1000 meter < >3000 feet! > or even a 700 meter < >2100 feet! > snap shot should be the norm and not the exception for this sim. I have nothing but respect for everyone that has posted here. You folks are the best F4U1X pilots on line. I don't think anyone is trying to minimize any pilots skill or capability. Especially those posting here. However, everyone's ego aside, including yours Rip, the F4U1C's 20mm are just too lethal.

OTR,
Ash
I./JG2  

[Ripsnort]

Ash, with all due respect, re-read my posts, I said it takes all my ammo to down a plane at D1.0 !!  And even at that, its not a garanteed kill.

To state that the Chogs guns are overmodeled is to say that the Spit guns, the Typhoon guns and the Chogs guns are overmodeled.

[Citabria]

you people realize how unrealistic being able to even discern 800 yards from 1000 is in the first place?

the icon is the problem the laser rangefinder must go and with it will go head ons and other dweeb tactics.