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Offline StSanta

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« on: August 15, 2000, 06:51:00 AM »
Saw a documentary about WWI yesterday, and saw a swastika on one of the German Gotha bombers. The Finish style, not the one at a 45 degree off angle the Nazi's used.

Now, I know that itt previously ws used as a sun symbol, but more than that?

Anyone has some info about this symbol, from early days til now?



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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2000, 08:12:00 AM »
It's a symbol of good luck as well, and the Buddhists used it extensively as that before WW2. It's also the "unofficial" family symbol of the swedish Von Rosen family (who founded the finnish air force, which is where they got the swastika).

Herrmann Goering was a frequent guest at the Von Rosen estate between the wars, when he flew for Lufthansa, and is rumored to have had a bit of a crush on Von Rosen's daughter. My personal pet theory is that he borrowed the symbol from there, and showed it to Hitler, but who knows  .


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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2000, 09:03:00 AM »
If you ever go to Copenhagen you can visit the Carlsberg brewery. Its entrance is flanked by two stone elephants each marked with a swastika.
I would think they were from around the century.

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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2000, 09:22:00 AM »
Svastika is one of the oldest sign known in history -- it was found as a neolith stone pictures. Was popular in China, Antient Egipt, even in the young days of cristianity (as so cold "gammed cross"). In heraldic it is known as "crampon", or icon hook.

BTW in India if you will mirror swastika i.e. its rays will point other direction it is extremely bad sign. But normally in most cultures it is a good sign, sun and fertility symbol.

Name "Svastika" was chosen for this sign by Hebels after village of some archiologists, who worked for proves of so called "arians theory". There were some famost womay who chosed name "svatika" for a village, but I do not remember neither her hame, nor why this name and what language it came from.

Sources: mythology dictionary, Enthiclopedia of signs and symbols and my quiz games expirience.

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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2000, 09:54:00 AM »
hmmph... Von Rosen wasn't the founder of FAF but donated FAF's first Morane-Saulnier Parasol plane which was made under licence in company Thulin.

And swastika:
 http://www.locksley.com/6696/swastick.htm

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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2000, 12:35:00 PM »
Thanks fariz, and all.



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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2000, 03:22:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by StSanta:
The Finish style, not the one at a 45 degree off angle the Nazi's used.

It was blue?

Here's the story behind the blue FAF swastika, from  http://www.jiop.fi/ksimuseo/aboutswa.html :

"The first symbol was born when swedish von Rosen donated Thulin typ D to Finlands white army in 1918. (In Finlands early years there was cruel national war where were goverments white army against revolutional red army). The Swastika was the symbol of Mr von Rosen and it was adopted to FAF. At the end of the second world war had world became allergic to swastika and it had to replaced."


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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2000, 10:44:00 PM »
"The swastika is humanity's oldest, most widespread symbol of any
complexity.  The name is derived from a Sanskrit word that means "object
of well-being."  Originating some 6000 years ago in the Middle East, the
symbol had spread over Europe and parts of Asia by the early centuries of
the Christian Era.  In recent times, the Third Reich, exploiting the
symbol's mysterious magical power, impressed the swastika into the
consciousness of the world... Because of the association of the swastika
with Nazism, the nations most affected by the Second World War regard it
as a symbol of barbarity.  But apart from this recent, menancing aspect,
which covers only one percent of its history, the swastika is a powerful
sign of good luck.  This quality, its magical aura, and its symbolism have
roots in the most ancient civilizations of Mesopotamia and Iran.  In
India, where it is widely used in Hindu ceremonials and as a decorative
motif, the swastika combines astronomical and religious symbolism..."

The article goes on to describe uses of the swastika and its diffusion
throughout the world over the past 6000 years.  It appears that, with one
major exception, the swastika is a symbol of things positive, and one
believed to embody great power - no doubt why Hitler chose it to
represent his movement.


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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2000, 12:11:00 AM »
 Just a quick comment on this.

 When I first arrived in Viet Nam. While being flown to my base camp, I noticed swastika,s, painted on buildings, all over the place. I thought I had time warped into the wrong war . They were buddhist symbols.

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2000, 12:16:00 AM »
American Indians used the symbol too. I have a late 19th-century silver Navajo strip bracelet that is stamped with numerous icons including two "swastikas"

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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2000, 03:18:00 AM »
afaik the "hakenkreuz" was also an old celtic symbol for the (raising?) sun.

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2000, 04:33:00 AM »
I've read that Swastica's can be found in most cave etchings from earliest times.

I do know that some American Indians used the symbol for a "running man"..

If memory serves both Navajo, and Piutes used it, perhaps others.. (Arapahoe sounds right also, but not sure)

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