Author Topic: BCS Rankings.... (Read 946 times)

midnight Target · « **on:** November 17, 2003, 10:56:20 AM »

Need to leave off the "C". Freaking East Coast biased pieces of Doo Doo!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.msnbc.com/news/985830.asp?0dm=s11Qs

Ohio St. to jump USC, report says

Win over Purdue to help Buckeyes leap to No. 2 in BCS

Reschke · « **Reply #1 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:16:45 AM »

Don't worry about it none of the other teams will be able to handle Oklahoma anyway. It sure didn't help LSU to beat the snot out of the helpless Univeristy of Alabama and it surely didn't do Georgia any good to be the equally crappy Auburn University and that is exactly what hurt USC right there. LSU beat Arizona early in the year like red-headed step children and they beat the hell out of Auburn as well. Then they play PAC10 weak sister Arizona and Auburn lost big to Georgia. So it all goes back to strength of schedule in the end and right now USC's strength of schedule is not looking to good. Look at it this way; this year the SEC will be very lucky if they get all their bowl game slots filled with teams. It should open up a few slots for mid level college teams to get some decent bowl games.

gofaster · « **Reply #2 on:** November 17, 2003, 12:50:06 PM »

The only ranking that really matters is the SEC ranking anyway.

Rude · « **Reply #3 on:** November 17, 2003, 12:51:59 PM »

College Football is corrupt and needs a playoff!!!

Thank you

Reschke · « **Reply #4 on:** November 17, 2003, 02:03:25 PM »

You got my vote on it Rude! It will never happen though because of the huge sums of money that are being thrown at it by the networks to keep broadcasting games like the friggin' Humanitarian Bowl in Boise, ID on New Years Eve with 45 feet of snow on the ground and a blinding blizzard...just kidding.

BEVO · « **Reply #5 on:** November 17, 2003, 04:31:09 PM »

why are they so against a playoff system?

Drifter1234 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 17, 2003, 06:18:33 PM »

playoffs and bowls can go together.

8 team playoff .

2nd tier bowls hold first round.

top tier BCS bowls hold next round

National champion bowl is rotated as it is now.

The rest of the bowl games can continue their silliness.

When BYU won national championship when they never played any team higher than 13th I knew it was hosed.

Playoffs work for every other sport me thinks it will work here.

My 2cents.

Drftr

Dinger · « **Reply #7 on:** November 17, 2003, 07:35:01 PM »

Ohio state 2nd is pretty preposterous. The team does not have an offense. With a little bit of bad luck, Iowa, Purdue and Penn State would hvae beaten them. And that's just in the big ten.

They lost to the golden gophers for chrissakes.

Playoffs in college football: college football is not like "any other sport"
The athletes are not paid for it. And contrary to popular belief, if the money they make for their schools is largely consumed by expenses. the rest is chump change.
The athletes are also students, and as such they do have to study. Most of them don't make it to the NFL, and the only compensation they're getting is a college education. Again, contrary to popular belief, the costs borne by this education, as well as the expenses incurred by the games themselves, pretty much take care of revenues.
So you should at least give the kids some time to study. Playoffs would take place during the December "Crunch Time" when every undergraduate struggles to learn a semester's worth of classes in two weeks.

Then, on the other side of it, there's the experience of the Final Four. The NCAA basketball championship is a made-for-TV extravaganza that eliminates the two great elements of college sports and replaces them with crass marketing. Spend a whole mess of cash to watch a basketball game in a football stadium, where even the best seats are separated from the courts by a sea of reporters getting drunk?

In short, a football championship would harm the students, bring no real benefit to the colleges, and make a bunch of money for the TV networks. And in the end, it's college football: people are still going to argue about who's best. That's the point.

I wouldn't be surprised if the BCS fell apart.

Drifter1234 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 17, 2003, 08:00:20 PM »

Dinger,

I see your point but..

You have a playoff of 8 teams plus the regular bowls that are going to continue.

So...

30 or so of the teams play their one game and go home. no difference in what we have now.

On to the top eight teams.

4 teams play and lose 1 game and they are out.

We are down to 4 teams. At this point they have only played 1 game and we are talking about the christmas holidays.

No classes (like they attended at this level any how)

One game the week of xmas.

Alright 2 Teams have played 2 extra games. Lets limit the season to 11 games instead of 12 that the schools have moved on to.

BINGO a real national championship second week of Jan and classes ahve not even started.

You have 2 teams playing 2 postseason games and 2 teams playing 3 postseason games.

They do this every year in AA foot ball on down and these are your academic conferences.

I went to a AA school and the football playoffs were the most exciting thing I ever participated in.

Again my 4 cents. I hate the BCS College football, playoffs would be the most exciting sporting event ever. I love March madness imagine 1 loss in the middle of the year and you are out in college bball.

Drftr

Reschke · « **Reply #9 on:** November 17, 2003, 08:06:18 PM »

The only real way for a playoff system to work in 1A is to have it layed out exactly like the rest of NCAA football. Take the top 16 teams...IF they want to compete for the championship. Remember when the Pac 10 and Big 10 were not part of the BCS at the beginning?

This is the basic way I see it happening in a few years because I don't think the BCS makes it past the next contract negotiations. (personal opinion)

Have the Quarter-Final/Semi-Final playoff games held in the old bowl game sites like the Sugar Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Rose Bowl, etc... and have the National Championship alternate from a site that did not get a Quarter-Final/Semi-Final game. This way you still include the lower level/ranked teams who didn't make the Playoffs and you keep the bowl system intact.

Reschke · « **Reply #10 on:** November 17, 2003, 08:09:29 PM »

Dinger,

I was a college football player in the early 1990's on the 1AA level and even then we trained every week in the year. You had to in order to stay competitive. My brother-in-law played at Alabama from 1977-1981 and during that time the players were encouraged to leave campus for the summer. Also study hall is mandatory and if you don't go you don't play. At least that is how it was on our team and it still is now.

Dinger · « **Reply #11 on:** November 17, 2003, 09:49:43 PM »

Yeah, and I'm at a Big Ten school, and have taught student athletes, and can attest that on the whole, they're no worse or better than other students. The only exception (and on this I have no personal experience, just statistics) is for members of football and basketball teams. who consistently score below the average grades. In spite of the "dumb jock" stereotype, I don't think as a group they're any dumber than the average undergraduate.

Anyway, what it boils down to is: University presidents are the ones who will make the call. Consider it from the perspective of a Big 10 university president.

You're the president of a corporation that does billions of dollars a year in revenues. Let's say you're not Northwestern (where they've diverted general fund money to the football team). As a state school president, you're answerable to a board of regents, and ultimately the state legislature.
Football and Basketball are a tiny fraction of your total revenue, yet one that exposes you to the greatest risks. Heck, even the biggest bowl payout looks like the cost of an MRI machine. But you've got this small section of your corporation that attracts a lot of attention. There's always at least one regent who decides to use the sports program as a personal stepping stone. The coach and possibly the AD are more visible figures to the state population and legislature than you are, and those guys aren't even your biggest revenue generators.
Yet, if one unpaid 19-year-old pisses in a planter at the Holiday in on a Friday night (in the offseason, no less), suddenly, reporters and trustees are calling you to task).

So basically, as a college president, with respect to the sports program, you've got a ton of responsibility without much authority. And yet it's such a minor part of your job.
It'd be like if the CEO of Hewlett Packard's job hinged on the fortunes of a minor-league baseball team the corporation owned.

So, while college presidents can't get rid of football, there's reason to believe many don't want to see it get any bigger. Oklahoma can win all the BCS bowls it wants, it's never gonna beat Harvard.

What about ADs and coaches? Certainly, a championship win could help the careers of those who win the championships. But even these guys have something to lose. Nobody wants to be the next Grady Little. A coach that prefers the media to his players is not a coach one should hire. And if in the end, it's not going to settle anything, why bother giving Disney or whoever more money?