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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2003, 06:54:03 PM »
Kill him quickly and quietly.  He deserves no more noteriety or consideration than that.

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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2003, 06:54:24 PM »
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Quite bloodthirsty today!
You should go vulch some n1k2's


Vulching isn't nearly as satisfying as watching them plummet in a ball of fire and smoke. ;)
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« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2003, 06:55:00 PM »
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Killing someone is VERY extreme. It's done by our government in our name. If you don't have the stomach for it don't watch.


So you are the kind of man who would grab a beer and sit on the couch to watch some good ol' executionin YEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAWW!!!!

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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2003, 06:57:33 PM »
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So you are the kind of man who would grab a beer and sit on the couch to watch some good ol' executionin YEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAWW!!!!


If it were a loved one of mine this guy killed I'd want to throw the switch, or at least have a front row seat.
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2003, 07:10:25 PM »

It makes me madder than hell that there are those so willing to inflict pain and suffering on decent people. People that live their lives responsibly, helping others and making the world a better place to live for all of us. Those that would destroy this or inflict misery and fear upon the helpless deserve no mercy.

It takes determination and a strong will to stand against those that would destroy everything and if not for them everything would be devoured by darkness.
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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2003, 07:14:50 PM »
quote: By ANIMAL
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snip·er ( P ) Pronunciation Key (snpr)
n.

1. A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place.
2. One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.

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he falls into both definitions      

He was never trained as a sniper in the Army.
And just becuase some Nutt decides to shoot someone with a rifle does not make him a SNIPER.
those in the proffesion can assure you of that.
One of the MAIN RULES of a sniper is to never shoot an unarmed
civillian!
Breaking that rule precludes you from ever being a sniper and just makes you a KILLER.
To witch any moron can do.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2003, 07:31:43 PM by mrblack »

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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2003, 07:19:12 PM »
And further more the role of the military sniper is as follows.
1) force multiplier
2) to harrass the enemy
3) to provide long range pression fire
4) to take lives to save lives.(in other words by killing the enemy you might some some of you'r own!)
5) to engage enemy snipers.
6) to provide intell

And there is more .
And you will notice there is nothing above that says anything about shooting people at gas stations or home depots.

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« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2003, 07:29:52 PM »
Are you arguing with yourself?

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« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2003, 07:31:05 PM »
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Are you arguing with yourself?


Did you read the thread LOL.
If you did you answerd you'r question:aok

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« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2003, 11:00:04 PM »
Thank you mrblack, you have made me aware of the fantastic world of chivalry and justice of snipers.

I have done some research and found that their system of ethics and honor dates back before the time of the samurai.

Snipers are not  killers.  They are God's instrument, with which he takes and gives the precious gift of life.

Kind sir mrblack, will you please give me a link to a site where I can order the "Sniper's Code of Honor" in the form of motivational poster, for my wall?

When I am feeling down, I want to be enlightened by such beautiful passages such as "Thou shalt not shoot an unarmed civilian", and "Thou shalt not shoot a man in his back", acts no true sniper in history have ever commited.

Next, we will discuss fighter and bomber pilots, and how they follow a strict code of conduct, to this day not yet broken, of NEVER shooting or bombing civilians, or other pilots hanging from their parachutes.
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« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2003, 11:09:06 PM »
If he had killed one of my sons or my wife I would want the authorities to try him, convict him, and then release him into my hands.  Period.

I wouldn't want him languishing in prison with no possibility of parole, because he might kill again.

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« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2003, 11:39:05 PM »
When a person discriminates other people's rights by killing several of them, I don't see why this person should have a right for any kind of human rights or humane treatment after been convicted.
The person has clearly indicated he doesn't give a crap for others rights, so the person shouldn't be given either.

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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2003, 11:44:20 PM »
Throw them in a cesspool and let them drown, no need for TV or witnesses, just do it.

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« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2003, 01:05:31 AM »
One of the MAIN RULES of a sniper is to never shoot an unarmed
civillian!


Ninjas and Snipers have a strict code indeed  mrblck.

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« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2003, 02:06:33 AM »
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Originally posted by Creamo
One of the MAIN RULES of a sniper is to never shoot an unarmed
civillian!


Ninjas and Snipers have a strict code indeed  mrblck.

:aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok

Geez I loathe you.


Yes they do you silly little man.

CHAPTER 1
INTRODUCTION
The sniper has special abilities, training and equipment. His job is to deliver discriminatory highly accurate rifle fire against enemy targets, which cannot be engaged successfully by the rifleman because of range, size, location, fleeting nature, or visibility. Sniping requires the development of basic infantry skills to a high degree of perfection. A sniper's training incorporates a wide variety of subjects designed to increase his value as a force multiplier and to ensure his survival on the battlefield. The art of sniping requires learning and repetitiously practicing these skills until mastered. A sniper must be highly trained in long-range rifle marksmanship and field craft skills to ensure maximum effective engagements with minimum risk. The fires of automatic weapons in such operations can result in the wounding or killing of noncombatants.

1-1. MISSION
The primary mission of a sniper in combat is to support combat operations by delivering precise long-range fire on selected targets. By this, the sniper creates casualties among enemy troops, slows enemy movement, frightens enemy soldiers, lowers morale, and adds confusion to their operations. The secondary mission of the sniper is collecting and reporting battlefield information.

a. A well-trained sniper, combined with the inherent accuracy of his rifle and ammunition, is a versatile supporting arm available to an infantry commander. The importance of the sniper cannot be measured simply by the number of casualties he inflicts upon the enemy. Realization of the sniper's presence instills fear in enemy troop elements and influences their decisions and actions. A sniper enhances a unit's firepower and augments the varied means for destruction and harassment of the enemy. Whether a sniper is organic or attached, he will provide that unit with extra supporting fire. The sniper's role is unique in that it is the sole means by which a unit can engage point targets at distances beyond the effective range of the M16 rifle. This role becomes more significant when the target is entrenched or positioned among civilians, or during riot control missions.
b. Snipers are employed in all levels of conflict. This includes conventional offensive and defensive combat in which precision fire is delivered at long ranges. It also includes combat patrols, ambushes, countersniper operations, forward observation elements, military operations in urbanized terrain, and retrograde operations in which snipers are part of forces left in contact or as stay-behind forces.

1-2. ORGANIZATION
In light infantry divisions, the sniper element is composed of six battalion personnel organized into three 2-man teams. The commander designates missions and priorities of targets for the team and may attach or place the team under the operational control of a company or platoon. They may perform dual missions, depending on the need. In the mechanized infantry battalions, the sniper element is composed of two riflemen (one team) located in a rifle squad. In some specialized units, snipers may be organized according to the needs of the tactical situation.

a. Sniper teams should be centrally controlled by the commander or the sniper employment officer. The SEO is responsible for the command and control of snipers assigned to the unit. In light infantry units, the SEO will be the reconnaissance platoon leader or the platoon sergeant. In heavy or mechanized units, the SEO may be the company commander or the executive officer. The duties and responsibilities of the SEO are as follows:

(1) To advise the unit commander on the employment of snipers.

(2) To issue orders to the team leader.

(3) To assign missions and types of employment.

(4) To coordinate between the sniper team and unit commander.

(5) To brief the unit commander and team leaders.

(6) To debrief the unit commander and team leaders.

(7) To train the teams.

b. Snipers work and train in 2-man teams. One sniper's primary duty is that of the sniper and team leader while the other sniper serves as the observer. The sniper team leader is responsible for the day-to-day activities of the sniper team. His responsibilities are as follows:

(1) To assume the responsibilities of the SEO that pertain to the team in the SEO's absence.

(2) To train the team.

(3) To issue necessary orders to the team.

(4) To prepare for missions.

(5) To control the team during missions.

c. The sniper's weapon is the sniper weapon system. The observer has the M16 rifle and an M203, which gives the team greater suppressive fire and protection. Night capability is enhanced by using night observation devices.

1-3. PERSONNEL SELECTION CRITERIA
Candidates for sniper training require careful screening. Commanders must screen the individual's records for potential aptitude as a sniper. The rigorous training program and the increased personal risk in combat require high motivation and the ability to learn a variety of skills. Aspiring snipers must have an excellent personal record.

a. The basic guidelines used to screen sniper candidates are as follows:

(1) Marksmanship. The sniper trainee must be an expert marksman. Repeated annual qualification as expert is necessary. Successful participation in the annual competition-in-arms program and an extensive hunting background also indicate good sniper potential.

(2) Physical condition. The sniper, often employed in extended operations with little sleep, food, or water, must be in outstanding physical condition. Good health means better reflexes, better muscular control, and greater stamina. The self-confidence and control that come from athletics, especially team sports, are definite assets to a sniper trainee.

(3) Vision. Eyesight is the sniper's prime tool. Therefore, a sniper must have 20/20 vision or vision correctable to 20/20. However, wearing glasses could become a liability if glasses are lost or damaged. Color blindness is also considered a liability to the sniper, due to his inability to detect concealed targets that blend in with the natural surroundings.

(4) Smoking. The sniper should not be a smoker or use smokeless tobacco. Smoke or an unsuppressed smoker's cough can betray the sniper's position. Even though a sniper may not smoke or use smokeless tobacco on a mission, his refrainment may cause nervousness and irritation, which lowers his efficiency.

(5) Mental condition. When commanders screen sniper candidates, they should look for traits that indicate the candidate has the right qualities to be a sniper. The commander must determine if the candidate will pull the trigger at the right time and place. Some traits to look for are reliability, initiative, loyalty, discipline, and emotional stability. A psychological evaluation of the candidate can aid the commander in the selection process.

(6) Intelligence. A sniper's duties require a wide variety of skills. He must learn the following:

Ballistics.
Ammunition types and capabilities.
Adjustment of optical devices.
Radio operation and procedures.
Observation and adjustment of mortar and artillery fire.
Land navigation skills.
Military intelligence collecting and reporting.
Identification of threat uniforms and equipment.
b. In sniper team operations involving prolonged independent employment, the sniper must be self-reliant, display good judgment and common sense. This requires two other important qualifications: emotional balance and field craft.

(1) Emotional balance. The sniper must be able to calmly and deliberately kill targets that may not pose an immediate threat to him. It is much easier to kill in self-defense or in the defense of others than it is to kill without apparent provocation. The sniper must not be susceptible to emotions such as anxiety or remorse. Candidates whose motivation toward sniper training rests mainly in the desire for prestige may not be capable of the cold rationality that the sniper's job requires.

(2) Field craft. The sniper must be familiar with and comfortable in a field environment. An extensive background in the outdoors and knowledge of natural occurrences in the outdoors will assist the sniper in many of his tasks. Individuals with such a background will often have great potential as a sniper.

c. Commander involvement in personnel selection is critical. To ensure his candidate's successful completion of sniper training and contribution of his talents to his unit's mission, the commander ensures that the sniper candidate meets the following prerequisites before attending the US Army Sniper School The fires of automatic weapons in such operations can result in the wounding or killing of noncombatants.
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