Author Topic: Hold On to Your Humanity - An Open Letter to GIs in Iraq (Read 2221 times)

Thrawn · « **Reply #15 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:18:04 PM »

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Because any source that would say that we poisoned someones water is inherently biased, as well as stupid. Big 3, Thrawn-ABC, BBS or even CBC.

Every source is inherently biased. You can say the same think no matter what source I use.

Gadfly · « **Reply #16 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:21:31 PM »

Biased, yes, but some sources will be held to a higher standard than others. If it does not make any of those three, than I tend not to take it at face value. Especially when the headline contains nonsense such as that.

Thrawn · « **Reply #17 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:26:12 PM »

You are setting a open ended standard, that you can apply to any source I use. Do you refute the data present or just have exception to the source?

Gadfly · « **Reply #18 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:31:07 PM »

I refute the data, due to an unsustantiated source.

Thrawn · « **Reply #19 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:33:44 PM »

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I refute the data, due to an unsustantiated source.

Fair enough, I will endevour to find another. But so you don't stay up on this account. I'll be back tomorrow night at around the same time.

Gadfly · « **Reply #20 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:36:03 PM »

Here is the relevant data from your link, I suppose it could be spun to say that the US poisoned the water, but I would say that Saddam did the posioning, not the US.

IRAQ HAD NOT
COMPLETED THE MAJOR PURCHASE AND DELIVERY OF SPARE MEMBRANES
BEFORE INVADING KUWAIT. ATTEMPTS TO PROCURE MEMBRANES SINCE
THE UN SANCTIONS WERE IMPOSED HAVE FAILED. SINCE THE ATTEMPT
TO IMPORT MEMBRANES CORRESPONED TO THEIR NORMAL REPLACEMENT PERIOD, IRAQ
APPARENTLY DID NOT STOCKPILE ABUNDANT SPACE MEMBRANES OR CHEMICALS AND
PROBABLY HAD NO MORE THAN A 2-MONTH SUPPLY PRIOR TO THE INVASION.

The relevant Fact being do not ****ing invade your neighbors, and if you do, make sure you are prepared.

Thrawn · « **Reply #21 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:46:43 PM »

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Here is the relevant data from your link, I suppose it could be spun to say that the US poisoned the water, but I would say that Saddam did the posioning, not the US.

That info doesn't cut the mustard in my books. It doesn't support my original statement.

I can easily hypothosis that the allied bombs did destroy those water treatment plants. Something caused those hundreds of thousands of people to get the disease in the first place. Disease that are caused by unpure drinking water. And seeing as there were a crap load of bombs falling from allied planes I'm pretty sure that was the cause, and unsubstantiated source seem to confirm this. I'm going to run with this a bit longer.

Gadfly · « **Reply #22 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:51:31 PM »

Thrawn, they did not bomb water treatment plants, period. There is no military need, nor even a strategic use in doing so. We did not bomb them! show me the original source that says we did.

edit-and I am sure it does not cut the mustard with you, since it does not support your supposition, but it is the fact, as presented by your own link.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:53:15 PM »

Yes Comrade Virage, excellent words for those baby killing robots.
Deth to Amreeka!
Bosh eez great shaitan!

Thrawn · « **Reply #24 on:** November 18, 2003, 12:27:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Gadfly
but it is the fact, as presented by your own link.

Ah so the source is crap, until it supports your conjecture?

mrblack · « **Reply #25 on:** November 18, 2003, 02:28:39 AM »

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"During allied bombing campaigns on Iraq the country's eight multi-purpose dams had been repeatedly hit, simultaneously wrecking flood control, municipal and industrial water storage, irrigation and hydroelectric power. Four of seven major pumping stations were destroyed, as were 31 municipal water and sewerage facilities - 20 in Baghdad, resulting in sewage pouring into the Tigris. Water purification plants were incapacitated throughout Iraq."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/091700-01.htm

The allies also target the Iraqi electical grid which had a further cascading effect on the water/sewage treatment infrastructure.

A valid military tactic

Thrawn · « **Reply #26 on:** November 18, 2003, 10:30:37 AM »

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A valid military tactic

Any tactic can be valid as long as it works. But not all are moral.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #27 on:** November 18, 2003, 11:02:51 AM »

those dams were hit but were never breached. It was comon knowledge after GW1 that Bush Sr warned sadam if he used chemical weapons those dams would be no more and Bahgdad would be under about 10 ft of water.

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I'm pretty sure that was the cause

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Something caused those hundreds of thousands of people to get the disease in the first place

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That info doesn't cut the mustard in my books. It doesn't support my original statement.

WOA somthing doesnt support your orriginal statement, call the press. What about my statement that said Iraq oil for food program would have baught a TON of food and medicine and it never got to the people that needed.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #28 on:** November 18, 2003, 11:06:43 AM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Yes Comrade Virage, excellent words for those baby killing robots.
Deth to Amreeka!
Bosh eez great shaitan!

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #29 on:** November 18, 2003, 11:09:46 AM »

"It was comon knowledge after GW1 that Bush Sr warned sadam if he used chemical weapons those dams would be no more"

gonna need a cite there. i was there and have no memory of such plans or "common knowledge" to that effect.