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Offline aSTAR

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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2003, 09:00:39 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2003, 09:02:03 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2003, 12:47:21 AM »
Whitehawk, a capacitor doesn't store current, but rather charge.  This charge can be discharged and charged, providing current.

On a motherboard capacitors are primarily used for power filtering to remove excess ripple introduced and inherent to switching mode power supplies and caused by other devices switching on and off rapidly.

What I'm confused about is why Abit would have you remove a specific capacitor, because the only way a capacitor could cause what you seem to be describing is a flawed design or a capacitor accidentally being used in place of something else.  The techincal term for what you seem to be describing is an oscillation.  A capacitor in the wrong location or of the wrong value can cause a circuit to oscillate.  (Unless you are purposely trying to make an oscillator this is a bad thing.)  The reason I mentioned it is that I'm wondering just how effective removing this one capacitor is going to be and I'm wondering why it was there in the first place...  

In case anyone actually cares:

A capacitor stores charge, measured in Coulombs (Q).  (One Coulomb is equal to the charge of 1.6x10^19 electrons.)  The capacitance of a capacitor is measured in Farads (C), which equals Charge (Coulombs) divided by the Voltage across the capacitor.  In other words C = Q/V.

Probably more relavant to the problem at hand is the impedance of a capacitor (same as resistance - but impedance is the term used with non-DC circuits) which is proportional to frequency.  Impedance (Z)  (in ohms) = 1/(2*pi*frequency*capacitance*i) where capacitance is measured in farads.  (i is there because a capacitor causes a phase shift.)  This essentally means that the impedance of an ideal capacitor is higher for low frequency signals and infinite for DC.  This allows a capacitor to be used to allow high frequency ripple to pass through the capacitor to ground, but not pass DC.

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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2003, 06:32:01 AM »
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What I'm confused about is why Abit would have you remove a specific capacitor,  


Ya, me too.  Thats why I am gonna wait to see.  In fact I am not even going to bother with this.  If and when I get to the point where I neeed More than 2.8V to my DRAM, I will get another board and then put this one in my office computer.

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« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2003, 08:21:24 AM »
Apparently a new 1.1 revision Max3 has the volts fixed and Abit state they hope to have an answer for anybody with vtt voltage problems after thanksgiving.

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« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2003, 09:34:10 AM »
yes, I hope they offer an exchange.   I think that would be fair.  Its extrememly inconvenient for people to yank thier mobo in and out and send it away for an unknown length of time.
  They could send me the 1.1 board, credit my card, and erase the credit when they get my bad board.    If they even want it back.

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« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2003, 10:30:06 AM »
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Apparently a new 1.1 revision Max3 has the volts fixed and Abit state they hope to have an answer for anybody with vtt voltage problems after thanksgiving.


Yes.  We shall see.  I am glad that they are finally acknowledging the VTT problem.

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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2003, 10:59:12 AM »
To be fair here.. . Staying away from the boards problems, and tweaking a cupple of other settings...I am pushing down the gas pedal and my  system is responding quite well.  Its too early to tell, but if they iron out the bugs in this thing, it may well be all its hyped to be.