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Offline KCDitto

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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2003, 02:26:02 PM »
I like the set up. We will see how it plays out.

My squad will spend some time in the CT this week

Being a GERMAN squad the like the 190's but I think I can get them to fly in here.

I have been spending some time in here and really enjoying the fights. Except ofcourse for the alt monkey SKAT duo :)  glad they won't have that P-51 anymore.

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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2003, 04:20:29 PM »
Well I suggested getting rid of the formations so any bombing mission with Ju88s and Bostons will be with a single a/c, thereby countering (to some extent) the uberness of both types for a 1940 setup.

I see nothing bad about single Ju88s and single Bostons? Give the 109E and the Hurricane a chance.
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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2003, 08:04:40 PM »
Well may I suggest just running this map till say..Monday ?
that would represent how long the fediddlein French lasted anyways
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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2003, 09:39:20 PM »
IMO, the setups that provide bombers and heavy twins that outperform (mostly with respect to top speed) the available fighter set don't really promote good fighter action.

I could easily do without these nonsensical additions.

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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2003, 10:31:17 PM »
The 110s will be running amuck.

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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2003, 12:42:12 AM »
i'd take a spit over the hurri any day - it has the ability to run down luftrunners... to an extent.

and that's exactly what's gonn ahappen with this setup..  lw will use it's speed advantage.

then again this is almost a BoB setup, just spits not as readily available.
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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2003, 12:49:52 AM »
Well Toadster ..... if I remember correctly in 1939 and 40 the heavy twins such as the Me-110, JU 88 & Boston pretty much DID outrun and outclass the single engine fighters of the day.

The JU 88 was one of the fastest bombers ever seen at that itme and during the BOF the Germans were pretty much convinced it couldn't be intercepted. (The few that took part). Only during the BOB did it's myth really get cracked by the RAF.

Against the French Types the 110 did very well also. Boston is a bit racy for the French types, be nice if we could elimanate the nose guns so it had to be used as a Bomber instead of a "Dweeb-Fighter." Maybe one day.....

As for the German types dominateing - the last time this was run seems I remember (From German point of view) that all the fights turned into low turning "Furballs" rather quickly where the Hurri and the 50cals of the P-40B quickly gained the edge.
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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2003, 12:38:34 PM »
hooray

early eto, my favorite, woot woot woot!

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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2003, 01:17:14 PM »
Few problems with planeset - Boston in non interseptable.

Ju88 I think too......

Nothing catchs it... like Ar234 at MA - but in MA you have 262

Allied really outclassed - huri with its 303 cal and without neg G ...... it just like a toye for 110 and 109 - I personally do not like Hurri at all but it is really outclassed plane.
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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2003, 01:23:56 PM »
I like the no boston no ju88 and use the lvt with 75mm and the m8 as the tanks ideas.  But I am looking forward to this map.

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« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2003, 01:53:02 PM »
I stay away from the M8/LVT idea because they are extreamly easy to kill from the air, and the Germans in this set up have it prety good already. If we went this route then   the Germans would have even better since the 20MM MG FF can easly kill any open toped GV in AH. Both Sides have planes that can easly Kill Panzer's so realy in this light it is fairly well balanced. Using the Panzer simply playes better, the LVT also has that anoying gun bug.

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« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2003, 02:59:58 PM »
early war tanks *were* extremely easy to kill from the air.

none of the allied fighters can carry ord. that leaves the boston in a role it wasn't designed for. and the m16's are capable of taking care of themselves and any gv's they're escorting in this setup.

for once brady, think outside of your obession with the boston-box.
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« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2003, 03:36:52 PM »
Well,

I know I am a new guy in here, but the hostility towards BRADY is very open.

So far in the 3 maps I have played in,  the CT seems evenly matched. So if the goal of the CT is good fights with limited #s, then I think the goal is met on a regular basis. The planes don't make the difference, it is the # of players on each side.

I also have seen many playes I killed on on sortie and then flying side by side with them the next because # were one sided.

On the other hand, I think some of the points that the players have made as to set up sound good to me. So as a staff member I think you should consider some of these proposals for the next time a SET is going to be up. I don't know hao hard it is or what time it takes to make changes to a SET, but if 20 guys agree on somthing, I think maybe you could make a change.

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« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2003, 03:54:27 PM »
Well, Jester-er,

My comment is not solely directed at this particular set-up.

It's an overall comment; I could have made the same point about the early PAC set-ups that include a Ki-67 Peggy with a basic fighter set of A6M2's and F4F's. It's just unreconcilable and, to me, totally nonsensical.

As to the Battle of France, yes, the 110 did pretty well against essentially unprepared, suprised and ill-equipped adversaries starting on 10 May 1940.

Amazing how fast things changed in the Battle of Britain; the story was quite a bit different just three months later on 10 July 1940, wasn't it?

When suprise was not a factor, when preparations had been made, the description of 110's in combat almost always include the words "massacred" and "slaughtered".

Funny the Luftwaffe had to detail 109's to escort the dreaded 110's against the Hurricanes isn't it?

There's also the British combat reports:

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The opening phase of the Battle consisted of German attacks on shipping by day, usually in the Channel, although some convoy raids occurred off Clacton. Attacks were also made on naval bases. By night much of the German activity consisted of mine laying in various estuaries, however at this stage in the war Britain possesed no effective night defence against aircraft.

The first day of this phase was notable for the way that Me110’s when attacked by Hurricanes formed themselves into a defensive circle, therefore being unable to bring their heavy nose armament to bear, and indicating they required as much escorting as the bombers.



Nonetheless, my point remains that I'd rather do without some planes rather than have nonsensical substitutions made for ones we do not have modeled. In ANY time frame or set-up.

YMMV.
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« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2003, 04:25:19 PM »
The 110 was misused in the BoB. It was tied to close escort. Given more operational freedom it should have done quite well. Kinda like you would get in an open arena. Maj. Eduard Tratt had 38 kills flying the 110,  but that’s here nor there. The 110 in AH wasn’t the 110 in the BoF and was even rare for the BoB.

It's "too good" for this set up. The ju88 is a ju88a4 it was late for even the BoB.

The Boston is the fastest of the twin eng bombers in ah.

Dropping the boston/ju88 and 110 means an end to jabo. Big deal, but some folks like that. With no jabo then no gvs.

No jabo, no gvs = no base capture.......

Wait a minute that sounds like the perfect arena :p
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