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Offline SLO

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« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2003, 08:37:34 AM »
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I see.  It's ok to stand by and watch innocent people die as long as it's journalism.

I'm going to laugh when you're on here crying about how the horrid americans killed the poor defenseless journalists.

You are truly an idiot.


another who can't accept.....name calling becomes you martlet...as usual

woow there is resistance to your invasion.....try and deny that truth you innocent ****

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« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2003, 08:39:25 AM »
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There is getting the truth and then there is participating and acting as a propagandist - my concern is that perhaps this man and his magazine may be crossing over the line.


maybe......

but thats not for you to decide....

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« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2003, 08:40:05 AM »
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another who can't accept.....name calling becomes you martlet...as usual

woow there is resistance to your invasion.....try and deny that truth you innocent ****


Who said there wasn't resistance to the troops in Iraq?  What the hell does that prove?

  Would you condone reporters who stood by and videotaped the rape and murder of a child in Paris, just to show the truth?

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« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2003, 08:48:16 AM »
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Who said there wasn't resistance to the troops in Iraq?  What the hell does that prove?

  Would you condone reporters who stood by and videotaped the rape and murder of a child in Paris, just to show the truth?


better for me to see it, so then I can decide for myself.....then hearing it from your filthy lips and your right wing propaganda machine.

sorry mart....but I accept the truth...be it Hell on earth or beautiful blue skies.

WAR sucks.....and seeing it from only 1 side(which is yours) tends to make me constipated.....

being objective is knowing full well both sides of the coin....and seeing it tends to make you think twice before making WAR you ****in moron....

if it was only me.....i'd show you EVERY american soldier dead...stick it right there in your face.....hopefully you'll get BAD really bad dreams.....then you'll develope a brain.....and say 'hell....lets compromise instead of makin war'

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« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2003, 09:32:00 AM »
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'hell....lets compromise instead of makin war'


You mean like you French buddies did with Hitler?  Thank goodness for Daladier - if it wasnt fir him there miht have been a war in 1938!

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« Reply #35 on: November 27, 2003, 09:32:56 AM »
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maybe......

but thats not for you to decide....


Yes it is. Just like you decided this war is evil...

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« Reply #36 on: November 27, 2003, 09:55:14 AM »
The real reason you are upset isn't the fact journalists were with the Iraqui but more that no intel guy were able to prevent the missile launch ...

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« Reply #37 on: November 27, 2003, 10:31:52 AM »
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better for me to see it, so then I can decide for myself.....then hearing it from your filthy lips and your right wing propaganda machine.

sorry mart....but I accept the truth...be it Hell on earth or beautiful blue skies.

WAR sucks.....and seeing it from only 1 side(which is yours) tends to make me constipated.....

being objective is knowing full well both sides of the coin....and seeing it tends to make you think twice before making WAR you ****in moron....

if it was only me.....i'd show you EVERY american soldier dead...stick it right there in your face.....hopefully you'll get BAD really bad dreams.....then you'll develope a brain.....and say 'hell....lets compromise instead of makin war'


You didn't answer my question:

 Would you condone reporters who stood by and videotaped the rape and murder of a child in Paris, just to show the truth?

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« Reply #38 on: November 27, 2003, 10:54:39 AM »
Good lord, SLO, it's not possible that you are this stupid.  Either that, or your care provider helped you log onto the BBS and set you at the keyboard.  Either way, you're a sorry individual.  But then again you're from Quebec, so who can really be suprised at that?
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« Reply #39 on: November 27, 2003, 11:02:10 AM »
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[if it was only me.....i'd show you EVERY american soldier dead...stick it right there in your face.....hopefully you'll get BAD really bad dreams.....then you'll develope a brain.....and say 'hell....lets compromise instead of makin war' [/B]


Why don't you balance that with the showing of EVERY dead and tortured Iraqi at the hands of your buddy Saddam and stick it right there in YOUR face.

That way you could get the picture of how bad war is, then explain to the victims why we need to comprimise instead of making war.

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« Reply #40 on: November 27, 2003, 11:37:44 AM »
Slowhand is so anti-American it makes me wonder why he gives his money to an American Gaming Company :rofl

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was fun seeing you american pigs shakin in your boots, holdin your fists out like little school girls....you scare no one you pansy prettythang....


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another who can't accept.....name calling becomes you martlet...as usual



Looks like you started with the name calling, then confront Martlet when he does it.....just how hypocritical is that?  :rofl
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« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2003, 11:52:29 AM »
There is an ethical gray area in journalism.  A journalist is supposed to be neutral and supposed to report fairly and tell the full story, even if the reporting is unpleasant. Combat reporters of all sides have sat and filmed ambushes, air strikes etc. There were American journalists covering the Mujahideen in Afghanistan that filmed Soviet soldiers being massacred. I have heard this issue directly debated on an ethics program with some big names in the media, and it seemed to come down to how close the reporter is to the side being attacked.

American journalists tended to state that they would have a hard time sitting there and watching Americans die, even if that was a course more true to the pure profession.  However, the same journalists would have no trouble if the target of the attack wasn't so close to home (nationality and/or cause). So here is a potential gray area, and it's clear what these particular journalists chose.

As pointed out though, this was not some attack on a military convoy. Linking the civilian cargo airliner to a military target is a stretch, and had it been shot down it could have crashed in a burning fireball killing hundreds of civilians. This was a propaganda event designed to be dramatic and to show some degree of powerlessness among American forces and potentially suggest to the viewing audience that this can potentially happen even closer to home. These journalists were happy to play along, at whatever the cost in lives.

Frankly though, I have to agree in a limited way with Slo (lacking the personal venom), that as disturbing as these types of images are they do remind people what war is about, and how serious the decision must be to support the drive to war. The people being killed every day are real, and the camera can turn them into real people instead of a statistic that is easy to dismiss. "Why, more people die from murder in L.A. each day..." It doesn't matter if there are 100 or 100,000 causalities to the families of the dead and wounded.  Young American's are on the firing line, they are being killed, and a bunch of American's who will be enjoying a tranquil Thanksgiving far removed from the war zone helped put them there. Whether or not the cause is ultimately proven worth their sacrifice, it is a reality that must be acknowledged along with counter images like Saddam’s statue being pulled down.

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« Reply #42 on: November 27, 2003, 01:10:29 PM »
What about the american journalist who met Bin Laden?

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« Reply #43 on: November 27, 2003, 02:21:51 PM »
What about him and how is it even the slightest bit relevant to the current discussion?

Did that reporter watch Bin laden or his men commit a terrorist act? Or have knowledge of a pending terror attack?

Try to follow the flow, it as simple as point A to B.

Read what Mora wrote:

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"There's an article in Paris Match from one of their reporters who, it seems, knew the day before it happened that the bas*ards were going to have a go at the A300. They'd never heard of DHL but knew the aircraft was deliveing mail to the GI's and therefore classed it as a 'legitimate' target. If your French is up to it, try http://www.parismatch.com and click 'Actualite'.

Well if they relly knew in advance then I agree that their actions were pretty low.


Should journalist make themselves available as tools for terror by filming and aiding the terrorist propaganda?

No one said the journalist should throw down his or her cameras, and pencils and stop the terrorists. Just they shouldn't make themselves available as their propagandists and PR service. If journalist have information before an attack (especially one that seems staged for their benefit) they should have the correct morale compass to report what they know so innocent folks aren't killed needlessly despite how good a story it may be.

As much as I disagree with the Israelis they may have right in their treatment of journalist.

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« Reply #44 on: November 27, 2003, 02:26:01 PM »
Spot on Charon, you sail an even keel.:aok

My apologies fer SLO, but if he is a true francophone they get very passionate on issues, on the upside they also give some very diverse arts and culture.