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[artik]

You know guyes it looks really funny - just like to let F-15 take only 2 sidewinders to make it lighter.

I usually use 3x20mm at 109G10 - even it makes you heavier. It lets you more chances to kill your target - 3x20mm can kill almost any fighter plane in one pass when taking 1x20mm makes you lighter but you should make much more time your guns on target.

Every BnZ fighter need good firepower.

And I tell you more if 7mm really has no good effect then 13mm MG of 109 quite good weapon - I've made a lot of kills with 13mm MG when I finished my 20mm ammo. More then that it is very usefull to make pisichologic effect on your enemy.

When he sees bullets running from 800 yards - it forces him to make some offencive manuvers - and let you close on him. Even you will not get kill from such distance you might force him to make brake turn and then catch him.

So take an ammo it allways helpfull. You finally have not only get on your victim 6 you have also to kill him before he get some help. And few pounds of ammo that is not the thin that will make 109 turn better then spit

[leitwolf]

You know guyes it looks really funny - just like to let F-15 take only 2 sidewinders to make it lighter.

Nobody is talking about dumping your best weapon.
The Fw190D-9 has 950 rounds 13mm and 500 rounds 20mm.
While the 13mm isn't bad it is nowhere near the capability of the 20s so dumping 500 rounds of your 13mm makes your plane lighter without reducing lethality.
The 13mm is a useful weapon especially in the 109 with it's limited ammo load for the main "artillery" but the twin 7.9mm in the earlier planes is worthless and can be reduced dramatically without compromising plane effectivity.
It would be nice to see an option in the hangar to have the MGs removed altogether saving weight for the guns as well.

[Tony Williams]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
A MG17's belt of 100 rnds weighed 7.8kg(17.2lb).

A MG131's belt of 100 rnds weighed 8.5kg(18.7lb)

A MG MM's belt of 100 rnds weighed 21kg(46.3lb) while the 100 rnd drum wieghed 33kg(72.8lb)

Something doesn't look quite right here. Each round of 13x64B ammo weighed 72-76g, whilke each round of 7.92x57 weighed 24g, so how come the 100-round belt weights are so similar if the 13mm weighs three times as much?

Also, by 'MG MM' I presume you mean MG-FF as we're talking German guns? Apart from the fact that they weren't available with ammo belts (except in a few night fighters) and the maximum drum capacity they used was 90 rounds (with 60 being far more common) each round of ammo weighed 20g less than the MG 151/20's.

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[MiloMorai]

Tony, the numbers were taken from the Kurt Tank bio book. I imagine the links were included in the overall weight as was the use of a 100 rnd belt(for comparison). Why the discrepency - typos???

Wagner based the info on Schliephake, Flugzeubeaffnung.

Oops, yes should be 'FF".

Was the MG FF round heavier than the MG151/20 round? If not, then there is another discrepency.

Will make a note in the book, noting the error.

[Tony Williams]

See the table in this document for ammo weights: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

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