Ref "the Lazs MA strat idea" - oh to one of the "talented" few ....

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by LePaul
Since when are the strat/bomber guys porking fuels to 25%?  How many times have you been waiting to up from a base and you see the lone P-38 or P-51 dive down, bomb/rocket fuels, and auger?  Then voila, fuel 25%.  I've seen it many times.

I can't speak for other bombers but my sorties are multi-sector and are usually targetting cities...since by time I get there, the fights already on.

You need to realize that there are people like  myself, Muck, Cajun and others who enjoy hitting strategic targets.  Cities, hangars, fleets, etc.  

You also have the jabo/suicide idiots who take buffs NOE, attempt to pancake what they can with as many bombs as possible, die, then repeat the process.

As for Lazs colorful metaphors....he's been calling us those names forever.  Whenever we throw mud back his way, he cries foul.  

Like MiniD has said many times, Lazs skirts the questions and issues.  

Apparently, he has HiTech's ear tho...Lazs wanted buffs made ineffective and HiTech delivered.  Most of the guys I used to up into bomber formations with gave em up.

BD5 ...

I think the majority of the ire is directed toward the JABO/Suicide dweebs and the occasional B-26 dive bombers ... not the real buff pilots. If you are flying hight above my base and you take out all the fuel while droppnig at altitude then all the power to ya. I have no problem with that.

HiTech did not make the buffs ineffective ... he made it harder ... more closer to reality than the lazer type destruction we had before.

Geesh ... my gunnery sucks ... so why could I not have an auto-lead targeting system installed in my fighter so I can shoot with lazer precision ... get my point.

There are MANY good buff pilots out there that can drop anything with the same precision they had prior to the change. These are the real buff pilots cause they have learned something that is difficult at best, for most. I believe that anybody who puts forth the same effort as you guys have to become proficient at buffing can also be successful buff pilots too ... its just that they are too lazy to make the effort ... too bad for them.

[Mini D]

Sorry slapshot... it's contrived.  You took a list, crossed stuff off that might be counterproductive and then wrote something up to attempt to prove a point.

Why were numbers not mentioned on that list slapshot... how could that be left off?

Like I said... nobody wants to give an honest answer.  They'd rather blow smoke up people's ass.  You just proved the point more than you'll ever realize.

MiniD

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Mini D
Sorry slapshot... it's contrived.  You took a list, crossed stuff off that might be counterproductive and then wrote something up to attempt to prove a point.

Why were numbers not mentioned on that list slapshot... how could that be left off?

Like I said... nobody wants to give an honest answer.  They'd rather blow smoke up people's ass.  You just proved the point more than you'll ever realize.

MiniD

Mini D ... I knew that even before I posted, that no answer was gonna pass the Mini D muster ... they never do.

Maybe you should change your name to Karnac (but you look like John Belushi) ... your mind reading skills are beyond incredible.


Contirived ... yeah thats it ... I have a hidden agenda here and cod forbid that I get found out.

"You just proved the point more than you'll ever realize." ... I won't be able to sleep tonight ... thanks alot.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by SlapShot
I am not mandating ... I am asking/suggesting ... When the CV is sunk just for the sake of sinking while MANY are having fun ... that is "mandating" thru action.

When you shoot someone down, you cause his sortie to come to an end. He then  has no choice but to re-up in a new plane if he wants to keep flying. Sounds like mandating thru action to me. What a daft point to make. On this occasion, one is not enough, so...  

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by beet1e
When you shoot someone down, you cause his sortie to come to an end. He then  has no choice but to re-up in a new plane if he wants to keep flying. Sounds like mandating thru action to me. What a daft point to make. On this occasion, one is not enough, so...  

He/She had the same opportunity to end my sortie ... that is a 1 vs 1 scenario ... the problem lies with a FEW vs MANY scenario. FEW can spoil the "fun" for MANY is the problem beet.

[LePaul]

I see these constants.... "fun" and "ruin" and "spoil"

Be real.

So if your CV is sunk, well darn those bomber guys...they just shouldn't be allowed to do that...is that really all your argument comes down to?

Hello?  Perhaps defend it?  Manuever the vessel, etc?

I mean, I hate to throw logic out your way...but perhaps if you intercept the bombers versus scowl at their existance, you might make more progress?

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by LePaul
I see these constants.... "fun" and "ruin" and "spoil"

Be real.

So if your CV is sunk, well darn those bomber guys...they just shouldn't be allowed to do that...is that really all your argument comes down to?

Hello?  Perhaps defend it?  Manuever the vessel, etc?

I mean, I hate to throw logic out your way...but perhaps if you intercept the bombers versus scowl at their existance, you might make more progress?

I guess you didn't read my original thoughts on this ...

If there is a CV furball of the coast and the fight it staying off the coast ... then let it be. Please bomb the cruiser and any/all support ships ... thats cool, but as soon as the fight appears to be endangering the coastal base ... bomb the crap out of it.

[sourkraut]

Originally posted by LePaul
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You also have the jabo/suicide idiots who take buffs NOE, attempt to pancake what they can with as many bombs as possible, die, then repeat the process.
...

This is one of the most annoying things in the game - to some there must be nothing more "fun" than coming into a field at 300 AGL in a buff formation.

I am sure these are the same dweebs who used to use the B17 as a suicide bomb.

[Mini D]

Slapshot, you're still lieing.

You knew before you even posted that you weren't really posting the reasons why people that just want to furball without interuption don't go to the MA to do it.

It's not a matter of passing a test, it's a matter of being honest.  You were not, and now you're continuing avoid the issue that I knew anyone who replied would intentionally avoid.

Put it back on me all you want.  I'm not sitting here coming up with contrived replies because an honest answer would be counterproductive.

MiniD

[Mini D]

Ah... the "leave the CV be" argument.

I'll leave the CV be the day those flying from the CV don't level the base they are "furballing", start vulching and then eventually capture unless someone "ruins" it by sinking the CV.

Sound familiar SlapShot?  Or was I just imagining you nailing me as I launched from a hangar?

MiniD

[LePaul]

I see.  So don't touch "goal"

You're asking me, in a dodgeball game, not to welt the fat kid.  Sorry!

[mars01]

Mini - tard
It's not a matter of passing a test, it's a matter of being honest. You were not, and now you're continuing avoid the issue that I knew anyone who replied would intentionally avoid.

Enlighten us Mini what is the issue.  Slapshot asked you once already, but yet you skirt the answer.  Stop antagonizing and start adding.

What would slap need to hide from a bunch of morons on a BB and in a friggin game.  Give us all break.

The MA arena offers many things over all other arenas, some obvious some not, some depend on the person.  Slap gave you the reasons he likes the MA over the other arenas.  It wasn't the answer you wanted to hear so you have gone on your little tangent and said nothing.

The Bottom line is every kind of game play is well and evenly represented in the MA EXCEPT furballing.  Furballs are few and far between, easily killed and originally what the MA arena was designed for, Air to Air Combat.  It is not a matter of kicking people out of the MA like you would like to do.  It is a matter of offering the ability to furball as much as any other type of game play, evenly.

[sax]

Originally posted by Mini D
Slapshot, you're still lieing.

MiniD

Disagree all ya like--but
Character attack on Slap--don't think so Mini.

[lazs2]

deja/mini... no one is skirting anything that I can see... I don't know what great truth you think you know but... spit it out.

sparks... so you agree with everything I say you just don't like the way I say it?   I'm not too fond of the british wall-O-words posts either but what are ya gonna do?    They pay you guys by the word over there or is putting people to sleep a UK debating strategy?

boils down to this...  There should be some balance... the amount of effort required to affect other players should be balanced with the actual effect...  guy shouldn't be able to affect dozens of players with a talentless 3 minute fuel porking.

CV's?   Who knows?   Seems that they are a little too vulnerable now tho.

lepaul... I have never avoided any question ... certainly not one from deja..  perhaps you could show me where I have?  and as to "crying foul" when people "sling mud" at me....  Naa... just pointing out their hypocracy..  

point is... the strat girls need the furballers... they need to have an effect on the noble furballers or their presence in the game has no meaning... we would all ignore them.    The strat element wants to effect the fighters.    The fighter element never advocates having an effedt on the strat players.

Lets say that, If shooting a 2 sec burst  of 4 50 calibrers into the bomber hangers at a field made it so that no bombers could take off till 8 goon trips resupplied  that field.    Fightrers and furballers could then "have fun" by shutting down all bombing opperations at any usable field with very little effort...

Would that be fine with you "strat" boyz?    Would you perhaps feel that we had too much effect for the effort we put out?

lazs

[beet1e]

Originally posted by SlapShot
He/She had the same opportunity to end my sortie ... that is a 1 vs 1 scenario ... the problem lies with a FEW vs MANY scenario. FEW can spoil the "fun" for MANY is the problem beet.

I don't buy that argument, Slapshot. A bomber was designed to do a great deal of ground damage. But I guess that's a part of Selective Realism™ that has not met the approval of the Furball Committee Review Board.  

What do you expect? A B17 to be armed with only 6x.50 cals forward facing guns so as not to exceed the lethality of an F4U-1D? OK, in REAL WW2, a B17 had a crew of about ten men. That is simply not feasible in a game like AH. Hell, it's bad enough getting 2-3 fighters to coordinate. But in AH, a single fighter like a F4U-1C can take out all three buffs in a formation. Thus, the potential damage that ONE GUY can do flying a formation of three bombers can be averted by ONE GUY flying a F4U-1C. Even a -1D or an F6F can do the job. Sounds more than fair to me.

Yes I know that you and your ilk would like to see bombers mandated out of existence. In accordance with furballer requests they've already been made ineffective, but you guys can't be satisfied until you have everything your own way. You are very sad, and you make me sad.