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Offline Hortlund

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« Reply #60 on: December 17, 2003, 07:42:37 AM »
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here you are:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83402

That was a picture of an arab kid, maybe 6-7 yrs old throwing a rock at an Israeli tank.

No one was running over anyone, and that kid did survive that encounter unharmed, (as did the tank crew btw).

Where is the post by me where I'm rejoicing at kids being run over by tanks or killed or whatever?

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« Reply #61 on: December 17, 2003, 07:49:30 AM »
The choice of the picture and it's title was enough.

I'm away till tomorrow.
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« Reply #62 on: December 17, 2003, 10:05:16 AM »
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And this is relevant how? Just because one country is a larger threat than another (in your own very personal opinion) why is that even remotely relevant?

Tronski believes that Saudi is a bigger threat than Iraq, that means it was wrong to invade Iraq, even though Iraq was one of the biggest state sponsors of terrorism.

I dont understand the logic behind that


You must be a mind reader, because I never actually compared Saudi Arabia, and Iraq in a terror ranking, or even remotely linked them in my post...that ability must have come in handy in your judge judy days...

so riddle me this Batman, when did Iraq suddenly become the biggest state sponsor of terrorism, when it's links to AL-Q were tenuous at best, however we're led to believe Saudi Arabia (our good solid ally) seems to pale in comparison with the dark lord of the middle east, and is hardly worthy of a mention.

Next you'll argue there really were Iraqi's hi-jacking airliners on 11/9

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« Reply #63 on: December 17, 2003, 10:13:20 AM »
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so riddle me this Batman, when did Iraq suddenly become the biggest state sponsor of terrorism, when it's links to AL-Q were tenuous at best,

There are other terrorist organizations than AL-Q.

There is your answer.

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« Reply #64 on: December 17, 2003, 10:28:51 AM »
my god your from a country so far left of american center comunist russia would actualy seem alot more like home. having been there i imagine you are reguarded as a monster. there even more than here.

boggles the mind how you can even consider telling us your kooky psudointelectual crap livin in a welfare state with a well powdered bellybutton full medical and no chance at all of missing a meal for the rest of your life.

move to angola or southafrica and see how you like your system fool.

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« Reply #65 on: December 17, 2003, 10:35:06 AM »
Kinda grossly over simplifies the Vietnam war a bit. Ignores the fact that the “democracy” we were supporting in South Vietnam was a puppet dictatorship that the South Vietnamese themselves wouldn't bother dying for much of the time. Supposes that had we marched north, the North Vietnamese would have somehow felt liberated and peace would reign free. Not that we would still be occupying firebases to this day fighting the Viet Cong in both the occupied North and the South. Deluded communists or not, at least they had a cause that freely motivated many of them to fight and keep on fighting, and leaders that they would die for like Ho Chi Minh. I mean, it’s not like the North Vietnamese had to force its soldiers to fight (compared to South Vietnam - with exceptions of course), they had a cause they believed in and our taking all their territory would not have changed that.

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When did we lose the Vietnam War? Not in 1968, when we held an election that hinged on the war. None of the three candidates (Humphrey, Nixon, Wallace) were committed to unilateral withdrawal. Not during Nixon's "Vietnamization" program, in which more and more of the war effort was turned over to Vietnamese troops. In fact, Vietnamization, by all measures I know about, worked.
We lost the war when the Democrat-controlled Congress specifically banned all military aid to South Vietnam, and a beleaguered Republican president signed it into law. With Russia and China massively supplying North Vietnam, and Saigon forced to buy pathetic quantities of ammunition and spare parts on the open market because America had cut off all aid, the imbalance doomed them, and they knew it.

The South Vietnamese people were subjected to a murderous totalitarian government (and the Hmong people of the Vietnamese mountains were victims of near-genocide) because the U.S. Congress deliberately cut off military aid--even after almost all our soldiers were home and the Vietnamese were doing the fighting themselves.


We lost the war, and made it ultimately unwinnable in anything other than tactical situations, when we supported leaders like Ngo Dinh Diem, Nguyen Khanh (interim), Nguyen Van Thieu, Duong Van Minh (finale/Diem assassination), etc. and didn’t offer the Vietnamese people, either North or South a nationalistic alternative superior to communism. It started in 1945, with 1963 (the Diem assassination) being a watershed moment. Iraq is hardly Vietnam just yet, but how we handle the political aspects of the new Iraqi democracy could certainly change that.

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