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Offline Angus

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« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2003, 12:37:39 PM »
The Gripern is Beautiful.
I never forget the first landing,,,hmmmm,,,in 1989,,,was in Swededn then...:D :D
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« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2003, 02:06:27 PM »
The F-16 is sex embodied in an airplane.   Comparatively that gripen is ugly.




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Offline mora

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« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2003, 02:10:30 PM »
So how do the Gripen and latest F-16 compare? I think they are pretty much equal, but Gripen is stealthier and has better manouverability and STOL qualities.
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« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2003, 02:19:43 PM »
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I just wonder why our AF chose F-18 instead of those beauties.  

Because the US made it clear that if you bought JAS-39 Gripen, you would not be allowed to buy US weapons for it.

That put quite a strain on the US-Swedish relations back then...although not in public of cource.
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Offline Nilsen

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« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2003, 03:13:42 PM »
The US aslo gave some not very nice ultimatums in the JSF / Eurofighter choise, and when it came to support to the iraq war just before it started.

They had to back of tho.
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Offline mora

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« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2003, 03:52:53 PM »
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Because the US made it clear that if you bought JAS-39 Gripen, you would not be allowed to buy US weapons for it.

That put quite a strain on the US-Swedish relations back then...although not in public of cource.


I'm sure Israel or France would have gladly sold us some.:) On a serious note, that would make sense.
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Offline Hortlund

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« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2003, 04:02:36 PM »
Well, after that we teamed up with a British company. So Gripen is now a joint Swedish-British venture. That way the Yanks cant try to hardball customers again without wreaking havoc on the US-UK relations. Since then we have sold Gripen to South Africa, Hungary and now the Czechs.
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« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2003, 05:30:07 PM »
who cares what they buy? they will probably never use them in combat anyway.

our fighters are battle tested...and I think the Iraqi's can testify to the fact that they passed the test.

if it aint an f22 its obsolete anyway...
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« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2003, 05:48:31 PM »
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who cares what they buy? they will probably never use them in combat anyway.

our fighters are battle tested...and I think the Iraqi's can testify to the fact that they passed the test.

if it aint an f22 its obsolete anyway...




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« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2003, 10:07:44 PM »
Should've leased new F-15's, or F/A-18 Superhornets until F-22 were available for export (assuming they were made available for export)

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« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2003, 12:54:53 AM »
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The F-16 and F-18 are really the only two fighters in the last 30 years that the U.S. has offered up to the global market.


RAF considered buying the F-15 before it settled on the Tornado.
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« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2003, 04:04:37 AM »
F-4, F-5, F-14, F-104 were also exported in the last 30 years.

How do people think that it makes any sense for a small country to buy F-22? If you have to choose between 10 or 100 fighters what will you pick? The US can't even afford sufficient numbers themselves. Besides these coutries will never meet them in combat.
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Offline Mark Luper

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« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2003, 04:58:03 AM »
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Well, good news for Sweden but bad news for me. I work on the F16 production line. But we have enough orders to last almost 10 years. The Czechs could of bought the Block 60 model and would of still saved money and had a great aircraft for at least 20 years.
But I have to say the Gripen is a nice aircraft. Then I love just about any airplanes.


Firbal, where do you work out there? I am an inspector in FWD fuse assembly, SWBS 1121. Give me a shout sometime, there are only two Lupers in the LMAERO phone directory, look for Leon, my wife is the other one :).
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« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2003, 05:40:53 AM »
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RAF considered buying the F-15 before it settled on the Tornado.


Always loved the tornado, especially the GR models....those desert storm a/c always looked the buisness!



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« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2003, 07:45:05 AM »
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F-4, F-5, F-14, F-104 were also exported in the last 30 years.

How do people think that it makes any sense for a small country to buy F-22? If you have to choose between 10 or 100 fighters what will you pick? The US can't even afford sufficient numbers themselves. Besides these coutries will never meet them in combat.



Add to that list the F-111, A-4, and T-38. T-37, also only for export the F-20.

The F-22 will be to costly for export even if it was allowed (and it wont be) for anyone to buy it.
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