Author Topic: NFL Racism (Read 1391 times)

Mini D · « **Reply #30 on:** December 23, 2003, 10:44:23 AM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Nice one MiniDrip. Claaaaaaaaaaaaaaassy.

Wasn't a dig funkypants...

Just a reality check. I'm not knocking your qualifications for your job, but you'd have to question the decision behind your hiring... right? Was everyone else fairly evaluated and weighed against you? Did you have an "in" because of neputism?

This thread is just odd funkypants. You're pointing to an area where qualifications are clearly the primary factor for hiring something and using it as a counterpoint to an argument where qualifications aren't necessarily the primary factor.

MiniD

RightF00T · « **Reply #31 on:** December 23, 2003, 10:58:26 AM »

but what about the Polynesian HBs?

lazs2 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 23, 2003, 11:09:55 AM »

you guys seem to be saying that there are differences between black and white people.... next you will be advocating the bell curve or saying that blacks make lousy quarterbacks or saying that blacks can't swim well... or

lazs

Mini D · « **Reply #33 on:** December 23, 2003, 11:24:37 AM »

If I'm bringing up funkypant's "only by neputism" job... I should also mention how I got mine...

I had all the qualifications to do what I am doing now, but did not have a degree. That means I could not get through the door to be interviewed. A friend from the National Guard said she could turn my resume in to Intel in the department where she worked. She thought I'd fit in just fine. She personally handed the resume to the manager and explained why I'd fit in. I was hired a month later.

It's not always about qualifications. It is also about preference, friendship, neputism, indebtedness and so forth. Job hiring is not primarily equality based nor is it fair. If I hadn't known someone "inside", I would never have been interviewed.

Now... I read a thread where an area that is clearly dominated by black atheletes is being compared to a front office where the population is primarily white. Do you really know what you're saying there funkypants? You're saying that the front office is priamarily white because everyone is clearly that much better than blacks at their jobs. You're saying that if a team had a prefference of an equally skilled white running back and black runningback, they'd most likely chose the black running back because he's black. That comparison does not exist. If it did, the white runningback would be playing... that I guarantee.

MiniD

Rude · « **Reply #34 on:** December 23, 2003, 12:11:30 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Just fine for who? If the league had not been so chicken**it about the "negro question" Jackie Robinson might still be alive today. Maybe we'd have had more minority representation in management much sooner.

Maybe Little Rock would have integrated eventually without the Supreme Court, but it was still the right thing to do.

When will black america start moving forward instead of holding on to the wrongs of the past?

Truth is, racism is no longer what it was and that's a good thing...as each generation passes, it will die a slow death.

World without hate? Won't ever happen until the good Lord establishes HIS government on this rock....until then, forgiveness and love towards one another will help alot....and yes, as much as it pains me, even towards the liberals and Europeans(I cannot believe I said that).

Regarding who deserves what, it's simple....the ones who earn it deserve it in this world...black, white, red or green...doesn't matter.

The only thing I'm aware of in this world that is free is God's mercy and grace on my poor hide and the gift of his Son to ALL of us....so have a merry christmas and if possible, give God a thought inbetween the opening of your Christmas booty.

Later:)

midnight Target · « **Reply #35 on:** December 23, 2003, 12:16:34 PM »

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It's not always about qualifications. It is also about preference, friendship, neputism, indebtedness and so forth. Job hiring is not primarily equality based nor is it fair. If I hadn't known someone "inside", I would never have been interviewed.

Exactly the reason AA is still needed. Even though overt racism has been defeated.

Merry Christmas to you too Rude.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #36 on:** December 23, 2003, 12:18:24 PM »

MiniD - I understand what you mean re: our jobs now, no problem.
I actually agree with you that there is more opportunity for unqualified people in the front office than on the field, but I still think the double standard is ironic.

The situation in Detroit was ridiculous. My problem with the NFL system is that it assumes the owners are racist. Which is a racist assumption in itself, a racial stereotype of white people.
I think rules and laws like this may help in the short term, but in the long run they just propagate racism.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 23, 2003, 12:20:08 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Exactly the reason AA is still needed. Even though overt racism has been defeated.

Merry Christmas to you too Rude.

Are you implying that MiniD's hiring was covertly racist?

Rude · « **Reply #38 on:** December 23, 2003, 12:20:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
Wasn't a dig funkypants...

Just a reality check. I'm not knocking your qualifications for your job, but you'd have to question the decision behind your hiring... right? Was everyone else fairly evaluated and weighed against you? Did you have an "in" because of neputism?

This thread is just odd funkypants. You're pointing to an area where qualifications are clearly the primary factor for hiring something and using it as a counterpoint to an argument where qualifications aren't necessarily the primary factor.

MiniD

Now you have a problem with an owner hiring his children? You think we are required by law to staff our businesses by some social agenda?

If I hire my children rather than searching for hires outside of my family, guess who will pay for that decision? Me. It's none of your business who I hire and who I do not within my own family business.

Outside of that, hiring practices when publicly seeking personnel are required by law to be fair and blind eyed to race, color and religious preference.

I hire who performs....if their black and they are dead weight, their gone....same if their white, green or purple. Affirmative action is a joke....earn your position...if you're denied unfairly, take it to court.

This country has gotten crazy the past 25 years and it will probably get worse as liberals tell us how unfair life is....let's find that utopia boys.....sheesh.

midnight Target · « **Reply #39 on:** December 23, 2003, 12:21:42 PM »

Yes,

It is an established fact that good looking people are hired over the ugly every time.. regardless of qualifications. Luckily he had friends.

lazs2 · « **Reply #40 on:** December 23, 2003, 12:34:31 PM »

point being... mini got hired because he had a friend not because he was white. AA simply make sure that black and white are never friends.... AA makes me believe that whenever I see a black person in a position of authority that.... he or she is unqualified. AA seems to advocate that if enough blacks are in high positions that they will hire black buddies and everything will even out.... it assumes that whites hire whites because they are buddies because of skin color.

Whites are buiddies with whites because they are living under the same conditions as one another. AA makes sure that allways will exist.... Us against them. They take away from us. doesn't matter what side you are on.

If I am given less opportunity because of some AA actoin then I will be resentful.

lazs

Mini D · « **Reply #41 on:** December 23, 2003, 12:35:48 PM »

Where did I say neputism is a bad thing rude? Wow... talk about being defensive.

When you look at the factors involved with hiring people, qualifications are down on the list. Most at the top of the list are intangeables. Being on the inside looking out is not the same perspective as being on the outside looking in. Someone screaming that hiring practices are not fair is going to be more correct than someone screaming they are.

When the corperation is a public company, this becomes increasingly relevant, since the public is all creeds and colors. To give the impression that you are completely willing to ignore someone based on creed or color is to affect public oppinion.

MiniD

Mini D · « **Reply #42 on:** December 23, 2003, 12:41:46 PM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I actually agree with you that there is more opportunity for unqualified people in the front office than on the field, but I still think the double standard is ironic.

Then you don't really agree with me funkypants.

There is a difference in hiring in spite of race as opposed to not hiring because of it. You simply cannot compare the two. There is no irony.

And my hiring wasn't covertly racist... MT wasn't aluding to that. He was aluding to the simple fact that who you know can get you in the door over qualifications. I was not officially qualified for my job, but still got in. It had to do with who I knew. The problem is, that hiring exclusively on that philosophy will result in something akin to the "good ol boys network". Those that make the right friends get the right jobs. Those that can't, don't. There's nothing wrong with it until you're one of the guys that "can't" for no real reason other than apearance.

MiniD

AKcurly · « **Reply #43 on:** December 23, 2003, 01:06:33 PM »

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Worked for Baseball for almost 100 years.

Sports Illustrated had a big article last week pointing out the MLB integrated before the NFL. It was interesting that pro football started out integrated, but later the team owners refused to employ blacks.

What a loss, what a shame.

curly

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #44 on:** December 23, 2003, 01:11:16 PM »

Al Davis did more to integrate the NFL than any other single individual.