Author Topic: Score 1 for, umm, justice I guess (Read 1680 times)

miko2d · « **Reply #30 on:** December 23, 2003, 11:06:41 AM »

midnight Target: It all started with the Ashcroft breast coverup.

Not really. It started over 100 years ago when US Government declared private mail delivery illegal, then introduced legal restrictions on what could be sent through the monolilistic government mail and started prosecuting people for violating those - often nebulous and arbitrary - restrictions.

Based on the laws that Sandman quoted or similar ones, the newspaper editors were prosecuted for publishing medical articles on contraception - not just abortion - and people were thrown into jail for dissiminating information about contraception, becaue newspapers and letters travelled through mail and any talk cbout contraception was considered obcene and ungodly, hence illegal.

FUNKED1: I'm still trying to figure out how looking at images can be considered criminal.

Some day asking this kind of questions will be illegal. And with advent of brain science, thinking this kind of thoughts may be too.

Gunslinger: but If i'm alerted that what i'm doing is "breaking the law"

A law that contradicts The Constitution?

miko

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 23, 2003, 12:54:28 PM »

"Land of the Free"

my ass

midnight Target · « **Reply #32 on:** December 23, 2003, 12:57:00 PM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
my bellybutton

Just felt like quoting.

AWMac · « **Reply #33 on:** December 23, 2003, 01:52:27 PM »

What about the mailing of my stool samples to my medical clinic as directed?

mold · « **Reply #34 on:** December 23, 2003, 01:56:14 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
and people were thrown into jail for dissiminating information about contraception, becaue newspapers and letters travelled through mail and any talk cbout contraception was considered obcene and ungodly, hence illegal.

Some day asking this kind of questions will be illegal. And with advent of brain science, thinking this kind of thoughts may be too.

Something to think about. This is the kind of thing that absolutely pisses me off.

On a related note, everyone should see the movie Brazil (Terry Gilliam). A well made movie, and with a lot of poignant parallelism with what we consider the normal real world.

mold · « **Reply #35 on:** December 23, 2003, 01:58:50 PM »

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Originally posted by AWMac
What about the mailing of my stool samples to my medical clinic as directed?

You ought to know that the FBI has software that snoops all posted messages for certain keywords. Expect a visit from "Two Guys from Quantico" pizza delivery soon.

AWMac · « **Reply #36 on:** December 23, 2003, 02:03:29 PM »

Hah!!!! "stool" was the keyword right? as in "stool pidgeon"?

Gunslinger · « **Reply #37 on:** December 23, 2003, 02:24:55 PM »

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Gunslinger: but If i'm alerted that what i'm doing is "breaking the law"

A law that contradicts The Constitution?

miko [/B]

Miko I was referring to the second article posted. It said that If a customer went to a pedofile sting site. They were alerted that they were breaking the law. If they gave credit card info they would more than likely get busted. Some say this is entrapment...as a father of two children i say GOOD TO GO!

as far as email links and such go. They'd have a lot more work than possible if they went after every IP address they came across. More than likely they are doing stings on people trading pics and going to sites that people KNOW are illegal

Curval · « **Reply #38 on:** December 23, 2003, 02:35:49 PM »

We need to fight
For the right
To view
POOOOOOOOOOOOPY

miko2d · « **Reply #39 on:** December 23, 2003, 02:42:09 PM »

mold: On a related note, everyone should see the movie Brazil (Terry Gilliam).

I have the DVD.

Gunslinger: Miko I was referring to the second article posted. It said that If a customer went to a pedofile sting site. They were alerted that they were breaking the law. If they gave credit card info they would more than likely get busted. Some say this is entrapment...

I understood you right the first time. And I am not actually against using the entrapment - or for it, I've not given it much thought yet.
I am just saying that arresting a person under an unconstitutional law is illegitimate, whether he was warned, entrapped, etc.
The doctors in 1900 who were jailed for mailing the contraception brochures were all warned. That does not make the prosecutions legal.
Lincoln warned and threatened his political opponents before he jailed them and suspended habeas corpus and that does not make the jailings legitmate either.

There is no absolute safety. As a father of two children, you have better chances protecting them from predatory pedophiles than you have of protecting them from the State.

Pedophiles did not cause death of millions of germans in WWII or starvation of millions in Soviet Union, governments did.

miko

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #40 on:** December 23, 2003, 05:24:12 PM »

any crime where there is no clear definable victim is a political crime.

the arrest of tommy chong was political or are they getting rid of the online bong trade?

bong.com

guess not.

since when is video tape of women pooping illeagal?

and what does another free individual having a aborting have to do with a marine with a invisable friend?

i would advise you to stay out of all womens pants except your own.
your invisiable friend that makes decisions for you is not an exception.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #41 on:** December 23, 2003, 05:28:19 PM »

Ok i'm just not getting you here. I'm referring to a pedifile sting site and you still go back to a law about sending poopy films through the mail.

I dont fear the govt. I watch them though and allways look out for my rights. But when I see the govt making an "active" approach at locking up pedofiles it makes me say hell yea. I have to kids and no set of bars or guards will ever keep me from exacting revenge if some sicko ever came after mine.

This same govt setting up these stings is not the ones u speak of when talking about genocide. I hardley find the comparison.

I do understand were your coming from about this law though. I think what your saying is this is very vegue and could be used as presidence for a number of things that should be perfectly legal. Bringing up Doctors from the 1900s though, IMHO, is not valid. There was a radically different set of morals back then.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #42 on:** December 23, 2003, 05:30:09 PM »

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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
any crime where there is no clear definable victim is a political crime.

the arrest of tommy chong was political or are they getting rid of the online bong trade?

bong.com

guess not.

since when is video tape of women pooping illeagal?

and what does another free individual having a aborting have to do with a marine with a invisable friend?

i would advise you to stay out of all womens pants except your own.
your invisiable friend that makes decisions for you is not an exception.

being as nicely asked as possible....WTF are you talking about?

Vulcan · « **Reply #43 on:** December 24, 2003, 03:24:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I dont fear the govt. I watch them though and allways look out for my rights. But when I see the govt making an "active" approach at locking up pedofiles it makes me say hell yea.

What we're trying to point out is I could (via a reflector proxy) get the links to images within this entrapment-website. Then embed the images, for example the following image is not stored on HTC's website, just referred to and loaded AUTOMATICALLY, ie with or without your consent.

Now, whether you know it or not your pc has gone off to my homepage and pulled this image down. Your IP has been logged with my ISP. I could easily have embeded an entire webpages worth of graphics links. In emails you can embed the whole damned webpage.

Now say I was pissed at you, I send you an email, you open it, it links to 20-30 images on the entrapment site. Your IP address appears 30 odd times in the FBI's logfile. What do you think happens next?

Lizking · « **Reply #44 on:** December 24, 2003, 03:40:21 PM »

edited-bad joke