Author Topic: Recovery of the USS Cole (Read 1327 times)

midnight Target · « **Reply #30 on:** December 24, 2003, 09:47:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
if slick hadn't reduced the fleet of naval tankers, shore re-fueling ( in a terrorist filled country) would never had been needed and 17 young lives would be here today to enjoy Christmas with their families .... and these pictures would never had happened.
Hope that fact is included in his "legacy".

LOL...

So he IS responsible for the Navy but not for the Army that squashed Iraq... got it.

Eagler gave m a chuckle for Christmas.

Eagler · « **Reply #31 on:** December 24, 2003, 10:07:10 AM »

sry, miss the humor of 17 dead kids ...

Pongo · « **Reply #32 on:** December 24, 2003, 10:32:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen10
If you knew anything at all about warship design, you would know fishu is correct. Seems like you are disagreeing with just to start an argument.

Most of us know that war ships are built with water tight compartments dudly. Its amazing how those plans seem to often fail when they have thousands of pounds of exposive applied to them. This one didnt.
Maybe you idiot euros think that I was using "amazing" as in "It never should have stayed afloat" but I was using amazing as in "WTFG what an excellent ship and crew."

So take your condecending crap home. That hole would have sunk many ships. It would have sunk any "destroyer" that deployed to the falklands and probably any Euro built destroyer of that generation. I would have sunk the whole norweigian navy, clown
THATS AMAZING

miko2d · « **Reply #33 on:** December 24, 2003, 10:33:38 AM »

Eagler: if slick hadn't reduced the fleet of naval tankers, shore re-fueling ( in a terrorist filled country) would never had been needed and 17 young lives...

And if the government did not unconstitutionally confiscate the land from private owners to have the politically-connected developers build the World Trade Centers towers, there would have been no 9/11 or the first WTC bombing.

Imagine the highjacked airplanes flying through and missing the towers because... they were not there...
They would fly above the rooftops of whatever buildings would have existed there and looked like complete idiots...

Imagine the terrorists arriving with the explosives-filled van and discovering they have to dig a 7-storey deep tunnel to detonate it at the same location!

Without those acts, the OBL would have still been our friend and Taliban a recognised government receiving US help and Hussein would not have been a tyrant oppressing his people.

miko

Coolridr · « **Reply #34 on:** December 24, 2003, 11:57:05 AM »

Having just finished serving aboard an Arliegh Burke class DDG (USS LABOON DDG-58) I can tell you that that hole is huge and could for sure cause the ship to sink due to it's location (the large open area of the galley/mess decks and an entire engine room) Alot of other parts of the ship were damaged due to the shockwave from the blast both internally and externally (mainly electronically) I can't get into too much detail about the stuff that was damged and how severly (don't want to lose my clearance). It was the bravery,knowhow, and persistance of the crew that kept that ship afloat. We learned alot of hard lessons about this class of ship from this incident. And since then there have been modifications to improve survivability..The fact that we refuel in aden,yemen is a political thing not due to lack of tankers..they are available if needed. just 2 months before the incident my ship had refueld there twice. kinda scary since they have tried in some way to get EVERY ship that has been there since their original target USS THE SULLIVANS was there in january of that year. Thank the good Lord that things didn't work out for the terrorists while I was a sitting duck. Never forget the crewmembers that died that day.by the way how did this subject come up 3 years after it happened?

Pongo · « **Reply #35 on:** December 24, 2003, 12:39:32 PM »

~~cool rider. I'm glad you ticket didnt come up too.~~

Nilsen · « **Reply #36 on:** December 24, 2003, 12:49:20 PM »

Jeeez Pongo, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

"Maybe you idiot euros think that I was using "amazing" as in "It never should have stayed afloat" but I was using amazing as in "WTFG what an excellent ship and crew."

So take your condecending crap home. That hole would have sunk many ships. It would have sunk any "destroyer" that deployed to the falklands and probably any Euro built destroyer of that generation. I would have sunk the whole norweigian navy, clown
THATS AMAZING"

MJHerman · « **Reply #37 on:** December 24, 2003, 12:59:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
Most of us know that war ships are built with water tight compartments dudly. Its amazing how those plans seem to often fail when they have thousands of pounds of exposive applied to them. This one didnt.
Maybe you idiot euros think that I was using "amazing" as in "It never should have stayed afloat" but I was using amazing as in "WTFG what an excellent ship and crew."

So take your condecending crap home. That hole would have sunk many ships. It would have sunk any "destroyer" that deployed to the falklands and probably any Euro built destroyer of that generation. I would have sunk the whole norweigian navy, clown
THATS AMAZING

*Wondering what Pongo thinks of the durability of the City Class Frigates and Iroquois Class Destroyers*

The analogy to the Falklands is not entirely accurate. HMS Sheffield survived the initial impact of the Exocet that got her...it was the resulting fire that destroyed the ship. Admittedly the warhead on an Exocet is no where near as large as that which hit the Cole, but anyway.

One of the other destroyers sunk in 1982 (can't remember the name off hand) was hit by three of four 1000 pounders from an A4 Skyhawk. A WWII cruiser would have a hard time surviving that.

I will give you all the benefit of the doubt on this one...the reference to "amazing" in the initial post was, I believe, a reference to the damage control efforts of the crew, without which the Cole would most certainly have been lost regardless of how well subdivided she is. Case in point is the Taiho sunk in '44 at the Marianas Turkey Shoot or Lexington at Coral Sea.

Taiho was a large carrier, presumably appropriately subdivided, presumably appropriately armoured. She was hit by one 21inch torpedo from a sub, and survived the initial hit. Damage control failed to vent avgas fumes and she exploded. So, "toughness" of the ship was defeated by poor damage control.

Lexington took a beating at Coral Sea and, other than failing to vent avgas and fuel fumes, damage control did a stellar job. But again she was lost to an oversight/error by her crew.

Coolridr · « **Reply #38 on:** December 24, 2003, 01:13:30 PM »

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I would have sunk the whole norweigian navy,

Besides the fast patrol boats..the largest ships of the Norwegian Navy are frigates built in the 60's to a modified FAILED American design so it wouldn't take much..but try aiming a harpoon or exocet or any ASCM in those Fjords..background clutter would protect them:D

Nilsen · « **Reply #39 on:** December 24, 2003, 01:45:53 PM »

LOL, very true coolridr..

They are old, and have crappy engines. All electronics are new, and we are expecting a new class of stealthy frigates from 2005.

Fast patrol boats with infrared missiles and torpedoes + modern diesel/electric subs + mines and coastal missile batteries are the main effective elements we have today. The frigates are just sitting ducks and are mostly in service to produce personel for the new class.

miko2d · « **Reply #40 on:** December 24, 2003, 03:20:03 PM »

Eagler: if slick hadn't reduced the fleet of naval tankers, shore re-fueling ... would never had been needed and 17 young lives would be here today...

GScholz: The USS Cole was saved by her excellent crew and the ignorance of her attackers. Although the suicide bombers were fanatically determined they were luckily not very bright. They detonated the bomb amidships, had they detonated the bomb near the bow or stern they would likely have set off the Mk. 41 VLS magazines

No, GScholz - that is not the case. Due to certain policies of Clinton or maybe the republican Congress the ship was positioned a few yards off and the attackers' blast did not detonate the magazines.

Of course if Clinton did not reduce the fleet of naval tankers, it would have been even better. Imagine the suicide bombers arriving at location, pushing the button and then belatedly realising there is no american ship there at all! That would have been so funny!

miko

midnight Target · « **Reply #41 on:** December 24, 2003, 03:27:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
sry, miss the humor of 17 dead kids ...

I wasn't laughing at dead kids, but you knew that. I was laughing at you're lame attempt to politicize the attack. One of us wasn't paying due attention to the sacrifices of the fallen... and it wasn't me.