Weight

[easymo]

 I was playing in the F6f tonight and it got me thinking about Pre 1.04 AH. I have read that it was a heavy aircraft in its time.  Yet I had it whipping around like nothing.  The numbers may be right since 1.04 but IMHO 1.03 had a more real world feel to it. The thing that we had in 1.03, as far as feel is concerned, was a sense of weight. I know we are not going back to 1.03 (to hard. only the old hands would stick around). But could the, Oh crap. I cornered to fast and im skidding, feeling be incorporated back into the game.

[funked]

You should try one of the good airliner sims if you want that.  These are fighter planes.  Enjoy!  

[Lephturn]

Load it up with 100% fuel.

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[Skuzzy]

Hehe, load up a Lanc with 14K and 100% fuel.  You want a heavy feel,..lemme tell ya  

I can see it now,..enable force feedback and I will have to use both feet pried against the desk to move the stick back to take-off.


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[hblair]

 

Originally posted by easymo:
Weight

Up to 220 lbs. here. Anybody need a spare tire?

Oh, wrong thread...

[Karnak]

No thanks, hblair.  I've started riding 25 miles every other day in an attempt to get rid of the one that has appeared on me in the last couple of years.

Maybe HTC really should add something like the Fiesler (sp?) Storch to AH.  That way things like the F6F would feel its "weight".

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[Swoop]

Up to 220lbs here as well, can anyone say '48" chest, 19" biceps and size 12 feet'?

heh, ask Rip how much he's benchpressing these days......lol


   



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[F4UDOA]

Easymo,

Questions

1. What should "feel' heavier, a F6F-5 with 37lbs/wingarea wing loading or a FW190A5 with 44lbs/wingarea wingloading? One is 12,500lbs and the other 8,000lbs fully loaded.

2. What A/C has higher stick forces, an F6F or a P-51D?

3. What aerodynamic factors go into making a maneuverabal A/C? Weight, wing area, thrust, balanced controls?

I am not saying I know why, but I do know the answers to the first 2 questions. Unfortunatley in AH there really is no "feel" except A/C behavior and FM which really isn't the same thing. Recently I had a chance to try my hand in a real fighter trainer at Air Combat USA, and let me tell you it feels even around the stall like being on rails rather than a mushy feel that some FM's alla CFS2 give you. If there was one single sensation I would say is missing from AH is the realistic feel of G force. Which really makes your head push down hard when you pull up sharply more so than a blackout feeling. I highly reccomend that experiance for all virtual fighter jocks.

Anyway that's my 2 cents.

Later
F4UDOA

[easymo]

 Leph. You might be on to something there. Perhaps the weight to thrust ratio is over done as you burn up fuel. Maybe the lightening effect could be toned down a bit.

 You did not need 100% fuel load before to get this effect. There would be no point. By the time you got to alt. you have burned off a bunch of fuel.

  It is hard to describe an elluision that has been created.  Weight is the closes I can come.  But I know it can be done. It exsisted before 1.04

 People have complained the the nik does not bleed E.  They are right, compared to 1.03.  When you blew your E before. It was gone. Staying alive after was a bear. What they dont mention, is that the same thing was true of all the planes.


 

[SeaWulfe]

1.03 was not a feeling of "weight" it was a feeling of being in an extremely underpowered aircraft.
-SW

[easymo]

  I know im belaboring this but what the heck.  Maybe a sense of mass is more the feeling I'm trying to describe.

  At high speeds the gyroscopic effect on a motor cycle makes it feel very light and nimble. But you still retain a real world sense of the mass under you. You know instinctively that if you yank the bars 60 Deg. at 120mph, bad things are going to happen instantly. For me, that sense of mass did exist before 1.04. If it could be reintroduced, in some way, while retaining the post 1.04 FM. The FM would "feel" very real indeed.