Listening to radio.

[AKIron]

Ah, well, there are extremists among the nonreligious as well as the religious. Oppression has many faces.

[Dago]

Miko

He said that a muslim convert siting christ to christians proves hypocricy of that convert - whether it was a real or hypothetical muslim convert.
That shows his ignorance of a simple and well-known fact about Islam - that Jesis Christ is a venerated figure Islam shares with Christianity.

I have misunderstood your previous post, sorry about that, I agree with you on this, and most of  your other statements.

I do not agree that MJ has necessarily converted to Islam, but to be perfectly honest, I really don't care if he did or didn't.  I pretty much ignore MJ and the news coverage of him.  Pathetic person he has unfortunately become, I wonder just how screwed up his childhood must have been for him to turn out so freaking weird.

I still think you are either paranoid of government, or are a closet anarchist.  I don't care either way, you really will have zero effect posting whatever you want on this board, it certainly has a limited audience, and spooling you up does give me some enjoyment.

Dont take it all so serious, this nation has a lot of good years ahead, we haven't taken to deport Ukranians, yet.  The economy will suffer bumps and will enjoy rebounds.  The Bush admin will not be able to suspend our rights or restrict our freedoms forever, and we will remain for many years to come the greatest nation on earth.

dago

[midnight Target]

If you wanted to get on the air you shoulda said "mega dittos Curt"

[miko2d]

Dago: I still think you are either paranoid of government..

 I am no more paranoid about the government than I am paranoid about a brain cancer - I know very well how each of them develop.
 Just because some people tend to ignore unpalatable knews - whether about government or about cancer - does not make realistic people paranoid.

, or are a closet anarchist

 And all you know about anarchism is from soundbites on the radio, right? You think "anarchism" is the synonym for "absence of order"?
 What do you know about "anarchism" besides the fact that it is one of the numerous philisophical/economic views opposed to coercive government? Do you know any other?
 Cold you name any notable theoreticians of Anarchcho-Capitalism. What their main points are? Where are they whong?
 Could you do the same about Marxism? Keynsianism? Austirian Economics? Monetarism?

 Or do you just implicitely trust the media who are so obviously ignorant or lying?

 Would there be any point for me to explain the difference between minarchism or anarcho-capitalism?

I don't care either way, you really will have zero effect posting whatever you want on this board,

 Err.. Close to zero. But than again, so is the yield of gold mining is close to zero. As long as it's not zero it makes all the difference.

 But even if I did not sway anyone on thios board, the enterprise would not be wasted for me. You see - I am developing an argument system that would counteract the corrupting influence of american popular culture (of which I lack detailed knowlege) in people of low intelligence - comparable to that of a young child.

Dont take it all so serious, this nation has a lot of good years ahead

 Some, but probably not a lot. But I am sure the government will have some good scapegoat.

The economy will suffer bumps and will enjoy rebounds.

 How about the raising degree of time-preference? Capital decumulation? How long will material well-being keep increasing while teh level of civilisation is decreasing?

The Bush admin will not be able to suspend our rights or restrict our freedoms forever

 Of course not. He will just chip off some more, and then his successor from whichever party and so on. Happened hundreds of times in history, the same scenario, the same causes. Hardly surprising to expect the same effect.

 Americans may believe that now it's different because we have Democracy - as if it has just been invented, rather than tried many times.
  Or that the technology will change something - even though few of the previous cultures failed for lack of technology?

 What else do you have besides blind trust to think that it will turn out different?

 Anyway - aren't we having fun as long as we manage to be more or less civil?

 miko

[AKIron]

Originally posted by miko2d
Dont take it all so serious, this nation has a lot of good years ahead

 Some, but probably not a lot. But I am sure the government will have some good scapegoat.


 miko

In this you may be right. Socialism is growing much too fast to suit me and will be our downfall if we continue the trend.

Back to Stalin and Hitler. Are you saying then that you believe they were truly religious men? While both used the church to further their political and/or war goals (and Stalin only after the outbreak of war) I think neither had any real faith in God. Could it be that the announcer you dismiss was referring to the true nature of their beliefs?

[miko2d]

AKIron: Back to Stalin and Hitler. Are you saying then that you believe they were truly religious men? While both used the church to further their political and/or war goals

 No, of course not. Just like Saddam did not become religious when he put "Allah Akbar" on the state flag in 1991.

 The argument between Sliwa and Kuby was as following:

Kuby: Hussein was a pragmatic. He may have disliked US after we foiled his plans but his primary goal was not to hurt US but survive in power. He would have cooperated with us, given a chance.

 Sliwa: No, he could not cooperate with us even though opposing us was suicidal to him. He was a religious fanatic hell-bent on hurting us at any price.

 Kuby: He was not - he was a secular dictator who pretended to turn towards religion to help his popularity in hard times.

 Sliwa: No, he was different - the other pragmatic dicatators who could have pretended turning towards religion in hard times - Stalin and Hitler - did not do so, Hussein must be different.


 miko: BUT THEY BOTH DID YOU IGNOIRANT ****!


 miko

[Hawklore]

AKIron,

No I don't work at an abortion clinic, and never will.


Just having Christian people hate the Islamic way of life (religion) and not taking time to read a book, or listen to someones points like me, I stood up for the Islamic religion in a christian class, and got attacked.

I knew that I was correct and they were wrong for I have read books and talked with other people on there opinions.

Your realize that there is the Extremist way of looking at the Bible, then theres this way of looking at it and trying to understand it, so theres the same thing with the Quran.



BAH!!!

God I hate it when I sound like an idiot.


I'm just saying that Christian Extremists are practically the same as Islamic Extremists, they could go and Hijack airplanes and run it into a cave or something!

[Dago]

I am no more paranoid about the government than I am paranoid about a brain cancer

Ah, denial, one of the most easily recognized symptoms of paranoia.  But remember, you're not really paranoid if they are all out to get you.

all you know about anarchism

"Webster's Third International Dictionary, defines anarchism briefly but accurately as, "a political theory opposed to all forms of government and governmental restraint and advocating voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups in order to satisfy their needs." "

"Anarchism today is being used to find solutions to the problems of power; not just state power, but corporate power and all immediate forms of domination among individuals and organizations"

Pretty well sounds like you Miko, so are you saying I was wrong and you are not an anarchist?

I am developing an argument system that would counteract the corrupting influence of american popular culture

And you are using, or plan to use this argument system how?

How about the raising degree of time-preference?

The raising degree of time-preference I feel can be expected to adjust as the lower valleys in our economy are experienced in those unwilling or without the foresight to prepare.  Is there or will there be a long term solution, or is one even necessary? I dont know.  What is your answer to it?

while teh level of civilisation is decreasing

A very subjective opinion that, one that would be argued by many.  I would be interested in the matrix by which you have decided that civilization is declining.  I happen to think there are many parameters by which it could be argued that civlilization is not declining but rather continuing to flourish and improve.

Happened hundreds of times in history,

Yup, thankfully we got rid of those pesky witches who were infecting Salem Mass.  Actually I think we enjoy many freedoms and protections that were not even close to available or protected just 50 years ago.  No system of government is perfect, mistakes are made, but normally always eventually recognized and corrected.  No, the sky is not falling, we are not soon to sink into a dark abyss of lawlessness and economic ruin, we will have our peaks and valleys and we will survive, and anarchists will continue to dwell in their paranoia, trying to alert everyone to the upcoming apocalypse.  

Did you fear Y2k and the predicted collapse of our society?  Did you stock up on grain and guns and power generators?  Did you subscribe to the notion that Nostradamus had predicted the world would end at the year 2000?  Or that the Bible foretold it?

If you live in NY Miko, please move out, move to an area of the country where children play in green fields, where people enjoy the sunsets and each other.  Somewhere where a blue sky can be seen and clean water flows gently down a lazy river.  Find a place where the radio plays soft music and discourse is about the price of beef and pork, where a big event is a grass fire, where political discussion is limited to the price of a dog license.   You need a break from your current environment.  


dago

[AKIron]

Originally posted by miko2d
Sliwa: No, he was different - the other pragmatic dicatators who could have pretended turning towards religion in hard times - Stalin and Hitler - did not do so, Hussein must be different.


 miko: BUT THEY BOTH DID YOU IGNOIRANT ****![/i]


 miko

Ah, well, there ya have it, Sliwa didn't know what he was talking about. No crime in being ignorant though if you talk about a subject as if you know more than ya do it makes you look, well, ignorant. Guess that's kinda obvious. FWIW, I thought everyone realized Saddam used Islam only when it suited him.

[Munkii]

Originally posted by Dago
[B
"Webster's Third International Dictionary, defines anarchism briefly but accurately as, "a political theory opposed to all forms of government and governmental restraint and advocating voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups in order to satisfy their needs." "

"Anarchism today is being used to find solutions to the problems of power; not just state power, but corporate power and all immediate forms of domination among individuals and organizations"

Pretty well sounds like you Miko, so are you saying I was wrong and you are not an anarchist?
[/B]

Not to answer for Miko, because he can answer just fine for himself, but Miko has never stated he is for no government.  He is for government for things like protection of property and containment of crime, but he is not for government interference in daily lives and the free market.   I'm probably off a little, but just by reading his posts I have gathered this much.

Just thought I would throw that in there to show you that you can get his viewpoint by reading his posts.

[Dago]

but he is not for government interference in daily lives and the free market. I'm probably off a little, but just by reading his posts I have gathered this much.

Read my posts a little more, this sure sounds like exactly what he is about.  

Anarchism today is being used to find solutions to the problems of power; not just state power, but corporate power and all immediate forms of domination among individuals and organizations"

Its not necessarily an evil thing, but I think that statement pretty well sums up Miko, at least in my opinion.

dago

[Munkii]

I would say Miko is closer to a minarchist than an anarchist.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by miko2d
miko: BUT THEY BOTH DID YOU IGNOIRANT ****![/i]

You mispelled 'Ignorant', or maybe should have used 'Ignoramus'

[miko2d]

Dago: Ah, denial, one of the most easily recognized symptoms of paranoia.

 What about strong opinions based on no facts?

But remember, you're not really paranoid if they are all out to get you.

 Let's me check - over 60% of my income, most of my property through restrictions and regulations, my personal behavior. Guess what - "they" already got me.

Pretty well sounds like you Miko, so are you saying I was wrong and you are not an anarchist?

 First, the Webster definition is faulty and obviously self-contradictory. Unless they mean by "anarchism" something completely different from what I mean by "anarcho-capitalism", they are way off.

 Second, I am not an anarchist - if only because I did not have time to study the books yet. So I am provisionally a minarchist.


And you are using, or plan to use this argument system how?

 Rising my children, of course. I need to know what kind of crap they are going to be exposed to. Otherwise I am content mnding my own business and wish everybody else to do the same.

The raising degree of time-preference  feel can be expected to adjust as the lower valleys in our economy are...

 I do not blame you in the least but you are not talking about the same thing I do.
 I am sorry but I do not heve time right now to elaborate on that. It is basically a measure of civilisation. We - the western society - is getting de-civilised for the last few decades and most social problems stem from that.
 It has nothing to do with short-term events but rather works on the scale of generations.

Actually I think we enjoy many freedoms and protections that were not even close to available or protected just 50 years ago.

 You are wrong. There is only one degree of freedom and any attempts of giving more freedoms is really restricting them. You cannot give people more real freedoms or rights by limiting them.
 Its follows from the nature of rights - which are just the reverse side of oblicagions. Givinmg someone extra rights always means imposing obligations on someone else - which means limiting their freedoms.

Did you fear Y2k and the predicted collapse of our society?

 No. I expected multiple minor problems and that was exactly what we've got.
 I am not religious in the least, so neither Nostradamus nor the Bible have any bearing on my expectations.
 I just know what the runaway monetary policy and socialist  government does to a society, how it works and why.

Anarchism today is being used to find solutions to the problems of power; not just state power, but corporate power and all immediate forms of domination among individuals and organizations"

 If you do not see an obvious contradiction in this statement, you have somehow managed to retype it without reading it.

 Corporation is a voluntary association of capitalists, entrepreneurs and workers. In order to supress corporations, one would need a coercive power of the government. But it also says they are against having a government. So how would they both avoid having government and manage to coerce people from forming corporations?

 miko

[Dago]

Miko, I am not a brilliant person, dont claim to be, and many on this board would certainly agree.  But you on the other hand seem to believe you are,  I dont agree.

You like to blather, but you say nothing.  You dont refute with fact, you dont offer example, you just make pronouncments.

You typically really say nothing.

You try and make others feel inferior, but if they really analyse what you say, they will realize you say very very little.

I understand your concerns about loss of liberties.  But I think you overreact.  Rights and liberties have been gained, or maybe I should say reclaimed through court rulings.  Maybe a review of Supreme Court rulings over the last 50 years or so would be enlightning.

How about actually proving something for a change?


dago