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Offline miko2d

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« Reply #60 on: January 02, 2004, 09:02:23 PM »
kappa: An addict is a world away from someone with medical trauma or a degenerative desease... The difference is choice...

 There is not enough difference to call it "a world away". The internal workings of the brain are damaged. It does not matter whether they are damaged on physical, chemical, physioligical or informational level. What seems easy to one person is impossible to another.
 A guy once got his brain punctured with an iron rod. He survived and retained most of his faculties but from an agreable polite person he turned into a very rude one. It seems that a person should have no problem not being rude but we know it's not the case.


The addict has a choice, the medical patient does not...

 The voluntary addict often has only one choice - whether to start. Maybe even to quit while he is not totally addicted. A medical patient with terrible neurological pains and assurances that most people do not get addicted to his medicine may find only in a few months that he became addicted.

Sure there are very addictive drugs legal and non-legal, but addiction is a choice....  If it were not, there would never be a recovering heroin or crack addict..

 The most addictive drugs are not addictive equally to all people and the least addictive drugs like alcohol or tobacco are impossible to quit to some people. People differ a lot. Even change with age.


At some point he had to know and mentally understand he was becoming an addict even if it was by him going and having to find other doctors (illegally mind you) to write a prescription...

 Sure. When he stopped taking the medicine after a few months. But once the withdrawal hits, it is so excruciatingly unbearable that the whole worldview changes drastically. For a person who is seriously wishing to die, the importance of abiding by some silly law or some previous statement suddenly diminishes compared to the other things. Besides, his act was a truly "victimles" crime - he was not robbing people to get money for drugs. He was not endangering others by operating machinery while fased out, etc.

Just becasue he got his drugs from a doctor, doesnt make it right or moral...

 There is no moral component to an action where a person does not have a choice or his mind is altered.
 I am all for putting dangerous drug addicts out of their misery - preferably by supplying them with all the drugs they need to OD themselves, but by other means if necessary. But I draw the line on punishing people who do not pose any danger just pur discourage des autres. That is very wrong and immoral.

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capt. apathy: no but at some point he made a decission to go from user to abuser.

 Apparenty he never took more than just to feel well. He was never noticed to be giddy, "high", etc.

...did he go to the doctor and say he needed help? No, he just obtained them illegaly.

 That's why they are called "mind altering drugs". You, guys are incredibly lucky you have no idea what it is. People waste and die or even watch their families suffer and die under the influence of addiction and cannot do anything about it. The first thing the addiction takes is will.

 You may use whatever expletives you want and stomp on those who are down but it is a known medical fact how the addiction changes personality, whether voluntarily or not.


Nakhui: when the news came out he was buying his drugs illegally.... his mind altered again and be decide to take responsibility for his actions and seek rehab. Or is that the guilt drug taking effect?


 Obviously I cannot know what was happening in his head but it is a common with such people - they would not be able to stop or ask for help, but once faced with changing their behavior by an outside conditions, they are glad they were found out.
 It's a matter of will and an outside will or necessity is a good support for the lack of one's own will.
 I did not have much experience with narcotics but I've saw quite a few people who's mind was altered by incredible deprivvation, stress and lack of sleep. I was like that myself.
 People do things they would never theough they were cabable of - including incredibly evil theings. They would not stop on their own. Then the conditins change, they get limited in their actions and if they do not get in trouble right away, their mind returns back to normal. They can remember what they did but not able to imagine what they felt.
 Some though get addicted to violence and cruelty just like other get addicted to drugs.


Saurdaukar: Kappa - are you being paid to dig up dirt on people that dont effect you in the slightest?

 Whatever I think of his statements and methods, the man is certainly a great talent and has a lot of influence. Which he uses to propagate socialism and big totalitarian government while pretending to oppose liberals who support the same ideals.

 Saying that Rush does not affect kappa in the slightest is like saying to a russian in 1905 that Plechanov and Martov did not affect him in the slightest. Sure, those were just popular harmless theoreticians and publicists. But they affected the opinion of many people in certain ways and lo and behold - Lenin came to power in 1917 and then Stalin.

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« Reply #61 on: January 02, 2004, 10:50:34 PM »
Rush may rally like minded people when he states obvious truths. Truths that some would very much like to repress. To say he influences people may be going a bit too far Miko.
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« Reply #62 on: January 03, 2004, 07:50:38 AM »
being totaly discredited and proven a hipocrit have anything to do with that.?


hes a media potato preaching to the simplest cretons he can make money off of. he has said as much. i.e. hes not even a conservative but he plays one on tv.

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« Reply #63 on: January 03, 2004, 07:54:51 AM »
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being totaly discredited and proven a hipocrit have anything to do with that.?


hes a media potato preaching to the simplest cretons he can make money off of. he has said as much. i.e. hes not even a conservative but he plays one on tv.



That's the first I've heard that.  Can you back that up with a reputable source?  Or did that come from http://www.ihategeorgebushandtheblackhelicoptersarecoming.com ?

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« Reply #64 on: January 03, 2004, 04:07:59 PM »


Limbaugh may be a hypocrit and a dopehead but he is no liberal
so there is still hope for his soul.

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« Reply #65 on: January 03, 2004, 04:14:36 PM »
It's all Rush's fault anyway. After all, nobody agrees with anything Rush says...... that's why his radio show struggles to remain on the air.

Rush is out of touch with America, that's why his show is so unpopular.

Rush tells me how to think and who to hate, that's all I need because I'm a moron that doesn't agree with the stinking, filthy negative Liberals of the world.

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« Reply #66 on: January 03, 2004, 06:56:04 PM »
Cripes, since when did "homeschooled" become an insult.  Home schooled kids generally recieve a better education and score higher on standardised tests.  

It's tough to beat a 1:1 student/teacher ratio.

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« Reply #67 on: January 04, 2004, 12:10:58 AM »
Home schooled is not an insult, but the quality really depends on who is home schooling you doesn't it?

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« Reply #68 on: January 04, 2004, 12:21:41 AM »
actually in oregon home-schooled kids have to take anual tests and show signifigant progress or their teacher isn't qualified to continue teaching.

thats a much higher standard than we hold the public schools teacher.

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« Reply #69 on: January 04, 2004, 12:38:05 AM »
"thats a much higher standard than we hold the public schools teacher."

Hmmm, sounds like someone is looking for a way to get rid of home-schooling.

No wait, I sure that would never happen. :)

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« Reply #70 on: January 04, 2004, 01:34:48 AM »
well I can't say they are against it.
I can tell you that when we tried to transfer our daughter into a better middle school, than the niegborhood one (our son went there for a year and there was no way another of my kids where going to go) the district told us it was impossable, that the forms wheren't in the propper offices in time (we did our part on time but the school she was transfering from dropped the ball).  they said there was nothing more to be done and we would just have to 'give the neigborhood school another chance'.

after some stuff that wouldn't make it past the language filter, I said "screw-it, if thats the only option we have I guess my wife will just have to homeschool the kids"

in 15 minutes I had a call back saying they'd worked it out and she could go to any school in the district we chose.

probably just a coincidence.

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« Reply #71 on: January 04, 2004, 01:25:50 PM »
Capt, question.

If you home-school your kids in oregon. Does that get you out of paying school tax?

If not, it would seem to be a win/win situation for the school board. They get your cash, you get zip.

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« Reply #72 on: January 04, 2004, 01:46:40 PM »
no you don't get the tax back.  however I believe federal funds are based on how atendance.

also, schools are rated on the scores of the kids.  so far all of my kids are scoring at least 2-4 grades above the averages, and the girls are usually making straight A's.  (mostly do to teaching at home, all three could read and do multiplication before they went to school)

thats the main reason the niegborhood school sat on the application for transfer. it was getting a failing grade and needed kids with higher scores to help them out.  when it became clear that we wheren't going to sacrifice our kid for their scores, they decided they could find a place for her anywhere so at least one of their schools could get the benifit of higher scores.

they say they are looking out for the kids, but they where willing to sacrifice an outstanding student for the sake of protecting the jobs of the teachers that can't seem to educate the kids.

btw- a note on the school's grades,  as I understand it, if the school doesn't bring it's scores up to an exceptable level within a specified time all teachers and admin lose their jobs.  they have the option to re-apply to other schools in the district but are not guarenteed a job.  so far the system hasn't been in effect long enough for any schools to go through this yet.  I suspect our niegborhood HS will be the first though. it has the highest drop-out rate I know of, the senior class is about 25% of the size of the freshman class.

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« Reply #73 on: January 05, 2004, 07:37:58 AM »
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Cripes, since when did "homeschooled" become an insult.  Home schooled kids generally recieve a better education and score higher on standardised tests.  

It's tough to beat a 1:1 student/teacher ratio.


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« Reply #74 on: January 05, 2004, 12:32:55 PM »
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It's all Rush's fault anyway. After all, nobody agrees with anything Rush says...... that's why his radio show struggles to remain on the air.

Rush is out of touch with America, that's why his show is so unpopular.

Rush tells me how to think and who to hate, that's all I need because I'm a moron that doesn't agree with the stinking, filthy negative Liberals of the world.


Essentially you're saying is popularity makes one right... and makes one the people's poet?

That's what Rush is?

Rush is articulating what's on every middle class white guy's mind..

You know... the Nazis were popular at one time too  - for the very same reasons... blaime the jews for everything... well.. they were popular until they lost the war.

LOL - I just had to bring in the nazis association in!

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