Author Topic: Al Franken, LIES And the Lying Liars Who Tell Them. A view from the (somewhat) Right. (Read 1119 times)

AKIron · « **Reply #15 on:** January 05, 2004, 04:37:35 PM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Sabre
I may read coulters, but I have heard so many bad things about her I am not sure I want to bother. I read Michael Savages book and liked it to a degree, and I was thinking on picking up Sean Hannity's as well.

Like I said, I do not believe all he had to say and will be doing some fact checking, but I found it very funny over all.

As opposed to all the good things you've heard about Franken?

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 05, 2004, 05:07:34 PM »

AKIron
I had not heard all that much bad about the guy frankly.

I am not going to judge him just cause he is a lib, he is pretty damn funny.

midnight Target · « **Reply #17 on:** January 05, 2004, 05:10:22 PM »

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Yet, Franken's book implies the person in question is not related to the political figure at all.

It does nothing of the sort. It uses a device to explain the relationship called an "endnote" after berating Anne Coulter for hiding things in her "endnotes". This is a form of satire that was pretty funny... if you were to read the book. His endnote tells you who the person is and congratulates you for finding the info. Conservatives have no sense of humor.... sheesh.

midnight Target · « **Reply #18 on:** January 05, 2004, 05:12:28 PM »

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It's also been well documented that Franken (and confirmed by Franken himself) lied to at least one of the people in the Bush Administration (Ashcroft, IIRC) when trying to get information for his book. He never apologized for lying, only for using without permission a University's letterhead in his contact letter to Ashcroft. Takes one to know one?

LOL... It was well documented in Franken's book. And he does apologize as well as go into detail on what the letter said. Reviewing a reviewer's review?

AKIron · « **Reply #19 on:** January 05, 2004, 05:25:23 PM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
AKIron
I had not heard all that much bad about the guy frankly.

I am not going to judge him just cause he is a lib, he is pretty damn funny.

Funny is good, lying is not.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 05, 2004, 05:35:49 PM »

Yeager

My handle means

GTO, (the pontiac one, not that crappy, Italian thing) the coolest car ever.

the RA2 Stand for RAM AIR 2, a limited run model in 1968, that had Round port heads and factory headers and it put out 366 factory HP but Pontiac was fudging the numbers and it was over 400.

I have wanted one forever.... lol.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 05, 2004, 05:38:32 PM »

AKIron
Do you have any links to things he lied about? I would love to read them.

AKIron · « **Reply #22 on:** January 05, 2004, 05:42:54 PM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
AKIron
Do you have any links to things he lied about? I would love to read them.

You bet, try these:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/frankenabs1.html

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1014258/posts

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/richlowry/rl20031013.shtml

Wish I'd seen this show.

http://www.littletinylies.com/archives/000857.html

midnight Target · « **Reply #23 on:** January 05, 2004, 07:54:30 PM »

LOL Iron,

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/frankenabs1.html <-- The Ashcroft letter (covered in the book)

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1014258/posts <-- more of the same, plus a review that says the book ain't funny.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/...l20031013.shtml <--- Rich Lowry (who Franken challenges to a fight in a parking garage for calling Libs sissies) "He (Franken) suggests in his book that I abruptly stopped talking about the creeping wishy-washiness of American life, scared out of this theme by his terrifying challenge to me.

Nonsense. I have discussed the theme in pretty much every speech I delivered since then. I talked on Fox News and other networks after the 9-11 attacks about the nation's new appreciation of masculinity. And I have written columns about the topic, most recently in a piece knocking Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry for his recent resort to quick (and probably fake) public tears. "

Kind of a stretch to call this a lie but OK. So what did Franken say?

"But I'll tell you this. I've seen Rich Lowry on television plenty of times since then, and I think he's dropped the whole "Democrats have feminized politics" thing. But, if he hasn't, I'll be glad to meet him any time in my parking garage"

- Stretch indeed!

http://www.littletinylies.com/archives/000857.html

No lies by Franken at all, just a one sided look at Franken's attack on O'Reilly.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 05, 2004, 08:00:25 PM »

Beat me to it MT, right on target though.

I was hoping for some real dirt.

AKIron · « **Reply #25 on:** January 05, 2004, 10:19:59 PM »

I only said he lied. Don't you think it a bit hypocritical to write a book calling people liars in which you do more lying than the people you're accusing of lying? I haven't read his book. What I've heard about it though makes him sound like a typical impotent and bitter lib.

AKIron · « **Reply #26 on:** January 05, 2004, 10:39:02 PM »

Another bit more indepth review:

http://www.timslagle.com/Franken.html

Remember GTO, I only brought this up because you mentioned all the bad things you've heard about Ann Coulter and thought you wouldn't read her book. Seems there are more than a few saying negative things about Al.

"Al Franken discounts the Linda Ives case, one of the centerpieces of the "Mena conspiracy" in Clintonian Arkansas. Linda Ives had to get a grand jury order to have the bodies of her son Kevin and his friend Don Henry exhumed and shipped out of State before discovering they were murdered. Witnesses suggested the crimes were perpetrated by State troopers, one of whom was later indicted for drug trafficking. No formal investigation was ever completed, and the case remains open 16 years later. Bill Clinton was governor at the time, and he refused to fire the coroner, Fahmy Malek, instead shifting him to another State job (incidentally, the same coroner had, previously and erroneously, found Clinton's mother innocent of negligent homicide). In 1992 Linda Ives' name curiously surfaced on a White House attack list of right-wing conspiracy nuts. That discovery prompted The Wall Street Journal article that Franken references."

Otto · « **Reply #27 on:** January 05, 2004, 11:17:34 PM »

Al Franken should have retired after his roll in 'Trading Places' At best he made me laugh.

Munkii · « **Reply #28 on:** January 05, 2004, 11:58:25 PM »

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Al Franken should have retired after his roll in 'Trading Places' At best he made me laugh.

And what more could a comedy writer ask for?

Sabre · « **Reply #29 on:** January 06, 2004, 11:30:00 AM »

MT, I stand corrected on the Ascroft letter. At the time I stopped following the news stories on this incident, his apology letter had not yet been made public. Regarding his bashing of Coulter over the son-vs-grandson issue, I maintain that he implied in the body of his book that there was no relationship, and that Coulter's assertions were thus baseless. End notes? I didn't read them...guilty as charged.