Author Topic: Just for PYRO about Ta152  (Read 234 times)

Offline MANDOBLE

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Just for PYRO about Ta152
« on: May 24, 2001, 03:24:00 AM »
I'll resume 3 sorties flying Ta to you:
First:
Close dogfight against a Spit at lo level, fighting mainly in the vertical plane. Very good handling and no problems detected.

Second:
Close dogfight against a Tempest at lo level. After first pass, wingtips broken performing a smooth climb, no structural sounds present, no blackout, but both wingtips gone. Aircraft still under control whithout ailerons using only power changes and rudder.

Third:
B17 sighted low, smooth dive, guns'n boom, vertical zoom to recover initial alt with no problems.
Second B17 sighted higher. Diving a bit to speed up and vertical zoom HOing the B17 from a lower position.  Guns'n boom and leveling at 10k.
Third B17 sighted low, diving on it performing a spiral. Guns'n boom and zoom to 10k.
Dot sighted at BVR limit taking off. Flying toward it at 10k and then smooth dive. Dot Identifying it as 190 flying at about 5k breaking left. Smooth recovery for alt and setup the attack and both wingtips gone again, Ta on fire also. The 190 pilot was really puzzled asking me on ch 1 what the hell happened to the Ta. In this case, again, no blackout and no structural sounds during the wide open loop maneouver and wingtips gone at the first quarter of the loop.

IMO, this structural weakeness point should be revised, mostly because sometimes the result of "hard" moves is just a clean maneouver, and sometimes the result of "soft" moves is just wings out and wings out and fire.

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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2001, 06:44:00 AM »
S!

 Ta152H seems very fragile,maybe too fragile?During it's limited service it saw both dogfites at hi/lo speed and no loss off wing tips.Sure,it needs careful handling.But for me the wing tip loss has been random.One at high speed dive and recovery from it and other at a low alt lo-G turn...Go figure.



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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2001, 09:03:00 AM »
Have you guys checked for any stick spiking?  I'm not doubting your experience, just trying to see if there might be another explanation.

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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2001, 09:27:00 AM »
Good point Lephturn, but no spikes at all with the new joy. I suffered of the "spikes" effect breaking wings some time ago, but not now. And, as I noted in the Bug forum, when wings break, stall horn starts sounding. With no wingtips you can still control the Ta with rudder and throttle, speed up and flee to your base, but no matter your speed, stall horn is there all the time.

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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2001, 09:40:00 AM »
Mandoble your description has reminded me of a strange occourance in a 190d9 i had.I was in a completely normal dogfight with a few bogies and shot one down but the second took my left wing tip off.I WEPed away but i was surprised to hear the constant stall warning sound even when id trimmed it out as best i could and was flying pretty straight at about 320mph.I managed to land it (after turning the sound down   it drove me crazy!) and it hasnt happened since so i forgot about it.
Maybe this is some sort of bug that only shows up on rare occations? manifesting itself more on certain aircraft?

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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2001, 12:52:00 PM »
Same here sometimes you lose wings on your Ta for no apparent reasin they just ri apart and no Stick spiking here either.

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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2001, 01:33:00 PM »
Lost my wingtips in the Ta once but I quite fast and near blackout.  I have had the good fortune to suffer zero instances of stick spiking in AH.  I felt at the time and still do that it was simply the stress of the high G pullout that caused the wingtips to break off at the same time.  The airplane was very controlable even after the lost of the ailerons by using rudder, elevator and power/speed for control.

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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2001, 01:36:00 PM »
Weren't guys having this problem in the P-51D a while back?  I bet it's the same bug.

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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2001, 02:04:00 PM »
I've broke the wings on about half of my 152's simply cause I have no warning..  

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