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Offline Beefcake

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« on: May 05, 2000, 10:15:00 AM »
Well it actually wasn't an air show. I saw it in the local paper where 2 WWII bombers would be landing at our local airport. (Blue Ridge Airport) It's a very small field, only one runway, and it only has 2 hangers. Has a small tower next to the vistors center. Anyway, it didn't say what types of bombers would be coming, just that 2 were coming and that they would be at the airport Fri. Sat. and Sun. So I went down there this morning. When I got there, the a B-24 Liberator (hope I spelled that right) was landing on the runway. Was really cool to see that massive plane land and taxi. It went all the way down to the end of the runway (out of visual range). About that same time, I heard another plane. I turned around, and lo and behold it was B-17. It buzzed the field at 300ft, then  it went around again. WAS SO COOL!   The B-17 then went into its final, and landed. After about 15 mins, they had the planes tied down, and you could now walk through them. Naturaly I went to the B-17 first. Climbed up a ladder to get into the nose compartment. I went to the bombadier (hope I spelled that right too    ) compartment. It was a B-17 E model I think, because it didn't have the chin turret. Still had the Port and Starboard Cheek guns though. I went up to the Norden, and looked down it. I could actually see the microbes on the rocks below   . I then made my  way back to the bomb bay. It had fake bombs loaded in it. I asked the pilot what size they where. He said that they where 1000 pound bombs. I looked, and it had 10 1000 pound bombs loaded in it. First thought  that came to mind, HTC IS JIPPING ME ON BOMBS   Next, I went to play with the port and starboard waist guns. I stood there pretending that I was shooting down 109s over Germany   They had the tail roped off so I couldn't go back there. I then went to look at the B-24. It had most of its sections roped off.   But I did get to play with the port and starboard waist guns   I saw the Bomb bay on the 24, IT WAS HUGE   It was at least 2 times bigger than that of the 17. After that I stayed around and looked at the planes, and then I headed home. WAS SO COOL to see em.

Now that I have written a book, I'll stop  

Anyway, tomarrow I might go flying in the B-17. But it cost $500 bucks for a 1 hour tour   Anyway............ok.....I'll just shut up now  

A much happier Roastbeef sandwich
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2000, 10:19:00 AM »
Beef, in regards to online sims, been doing it for the better part of the last 10-11 years....here's some advice:

Get mad, then, get even.  

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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2000, 10:40:00 AM »
hmmmmm....
I would sell my hi-fi stereos to get in that b-17  

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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2000, 11:51:00 AM »
we have an airshow down here fri. sat. and sun. should have all types of WWII AC, the b17 should be there ("texas raider", b17g).

can't wait!!

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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2000, 11:56:00 AM »
Hey Beef, is that the Confederate Air Force's b17?  Back in the WB days, one (I think it was a G or H model) flew into town, and I got to take a field trip out there with some of the other IMOL guys for research.  I got to go inside and take pictures of everything for references.  It was really cool sitting in the cockpit and the bombadier position.  I also went up to the top turret.  They even opened up the ball turret for me too!  I couldn't back to the tail gun either though.      I got to see it take off too.  It was so cool!    

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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2000, 11:56:00 AM »
...or this brand new Fujitsu Scenic X pIII "nano-tower" brought to my desk by some midget of our "help desk"...
This thing is... is... very small piece of junk.

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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2000, 12:17:00 PM »
Hmmmmm.....man, I'm confused.

If the B-17 and B-24 were together, my initial thought was that it is the Collings Foundation, since they tour their bombers together.  However, their tour dates show them in California right now, and your location lists Virginia.  The only other group I can think of is the Confederate Air Force, which also has a B-17 and a B-24 (actually, it's an LB-30 cargo variant).  I haven't heard of them touring together like that, though, and they're also in California this weekend.

The Collings Foundation's B-17 "Nine-O-Nine" and B-24 "Dragon and His Tail" do a national tour every year...last October, I had the chance of a lifetime to spend some time with the crew and fly with them between stops in Connecticut.  I was supposed to fly on Saturday, but it rained heavily, so instead I stood under the wing of the B-24 and talked to many of the hundreds of people who dared the weather and came out to see the birds.

The next morning, the weather cleared, and I flew in the B-24 (the last remaining true B-24 flying) from Hartford, CT  to Waterbury, CT.  "Awesome" does not come close to describing it, but that's what pops in my mind.

The two days together were, no joke, the most emotional, wonderful time of my life other than my child being born.  Sounds sappy, but it's true.

The reason I was there in the first place was to cover the group for SimHQ.com.  I wrote a two-piece article about the experience at:
 http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/features/collings/collings.shtml
 http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/features/collings/flying_the_dragon.shtml


I know some people reading this are gonna go, "There he goes again...." but it really was an incredible experience.  The $350 for the ride is worth every penny.  My shuttle flight was only 20 minutes, and I'd have paid $350 for it...no joke.  To be in one of those aircraft, and be in it while it's flying, is just magical.  The second I walked in the house, I called my grandfather, who flew 50 missions in the -24 during the war out of Italy.  He didn't know I was going, and it was great hearing him tell the stories of the way it was back then.

If you care at all about aviation, history, or freedom, do yourself a favor and go see these planes flying while you can.

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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2000, 01:44:00 PM »
I live in Bakersfield Ca.  and about 15 minutes North is an old USAAF training field called Minter field.  Untill last year, we had a very large 'Warbirds in Action' air show every year.  ( I am quite sad, because I belive they are not doing them any more, sighting wear and tear on the historcial buildings from the people who come to it)
The Collins Foundition bombers were there most years.  I have many pictures of these 2 remarkable aircraft.  
One year in particular I was unable to attend, due to a prior engagement in Pismo Beach (central California coast)  and I was kinda peeved.  My girlfriend was in a seashell store and I was stuck outside holding the dog, when I heard the unmistakable sound of radial engines.  Looking towards the beach, I saw the B-17 flying at about 2000 ft. along the beach.  That was truly a magic moment.
One other rare find for me was a B-25H at last years Edwards AFB's open house.  After expressing an interest, the pilot of this amazing aircraft let me and my 2 rolls of film past the yellow tape and even in the aircraft.  If the HTC crew ever does model one, I can send very detailed pics.

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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2000, 03:04:00 PM »
Yesterday, I was in a Blenheim which was here as a gesture to commemorate fallen English fliers (accidentally walked past their grave stones when taking a shortcut through a cementary).

Seeing the bomber was quite nice, and has given me renewed respect for the people who flew and fought to liberate my country from the Nazi's.

It's sad though, for most people of my generation (I am 25) WWII is merely something abstract you read about in school, and then here a little about now and then. Because of the technological and social development, most cannot relate to it. Most treat it as if it happened 700 years ago, much like our 142 years of war in total we've had with Sweden.

It's only 55 years ago. Within a man's age. I feel I must express my respect for the people who fought in this conflict. With the obvious disclaimer being the dedicated Nazi's and war criminals, naturally.

<S!> to all the veterans.




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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2000, 03:21:00 PM »
Those planes were in MT Olive, NC for the Annuall NC Pickle Festival.  also a huge car show and bands and many other things. This was the first time that the Confederate AF visited the picklefest that I know of
 http://www.ncpicklefest.org/P_evn.htm

 
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2000, 04:20:00 PM »
<wakes up>..<reads post> hummmm <walks down to the 8th airforce muesum> <looks at b17 then b-24....then b-47> you know they sure dont look that big......what we need is a b-29 <walks down the row of planes> yeah <looks up at b-29> I could have some fun in that.......<looks over at b-52s> but I could have more in that  

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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2000, 04:28:00 PM »
Beef, take the ride.  Everybody I know that has done it says it was worth way more than what they paid.  

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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2000, 04:41:00 PM »
Beefy... I saw that pair; or one like it some years back. The following is from that experience with the Birds out of Time..

Excerpted from CIS mail:

I live on the South Shore of Long Island... this past Saturday, just at
dusk, my daughter and I had the jeep out on Fire Island and I was doing a
bit of surf casting, watching the sun go down. My kid, having made the catch
of the day; had surrendered the pole to me and was down the beach gathering
shells. It had been a glorious day. About 30 feet away, standing knee deep
in the surfs backwash, casting into the smooth water behind the breakers was
an old duffer, hard-bitten; a sullen quiet guy. Earlier; we'd exchanged some
pleasantries, not much; just a New York nod, comments on bait and such.

So any way; there we were.. when behind us over the sound of the surf comes
a distinctive rumble; it soon becomes a deep thrumming roar; we twist around
and look up; the sky is blacked out by a B17, thundering directly overhead;
less than 500 feet high! "That came outta Republic Field??!!" Stunned, mouth
hanging open, I stared after it as it slowly climbed away; out over Democrat
Point; tail on to us now, presenting that distinctive '6' view, sun flashing
on the big props bringing from me a big smile. I enviously watched her
gracefully turn to the south... "Gawwwdamn!" I shout "A B17!!! What is
this?? A timewarp?" I'm wondering what it's doin here; and realize that
B17's over Long Island were once a common sight; they flew by the score from
Mitchell Field here on the Island, on their way to Nova Scotia on the
transatlantic ferry runs. Looking over at the old duffer; I see him smiling
and shaking his head. Always alert fer a new story, <gg> I started to sidle
on over towards him; but he's still staring after the buff; pointing.
"Look!" I look back; the Big Fortress has swung back in over the beach; and
lo and behold; he's formed up with a Liberator; also just off from old
Republic Field!!! The two majestic monsters thunder overhead; the Fortress
leading; the B24 out in loose finger to his left; slightly lower and behind;
eight big Pratt & Whitney radials screaming their tune to the startled gulls
and stunned beach bums. For one perfect instant of time; the Fort and the
Lib are framed with the rolling grass covered dunes, the Fire Island
Lighthouse just below; the slanting rays of the sun glinting off the
Perspex nose blister on the Liberator and the bottom of the clouds above...
gawd; no camera!

My daughter runs up, breathless, "Daddy; what were they???" She's just 12;
not much amazed or interested in technology; certainly not in airplanes.
She's just not even a little impressed with the sight of the 10:00 Concorde
coming into LaGuardia, never wants to watch a shuttle landing; is well; just
impervious to stuff that impresses me.. conditioned to technology; I guess.
I'm curious as to why these old relics caught her interest... "Why do you
ask?," I enquire with a smile.

"The SOUND Daddy!! I've NEVER heard anything like it before!"

And with that; the old duffer; reeled in now, turns toward us and says to
Candice "..and you may never hear it again, child. That was the sound of
angels and glory; the sound of fire and death... that"; ...he points the
pole at the departing formation "..was the sound of War when I was young."
And then he turned, and walked back up the beach. Candice stepped close,
grabbed my arm and whispered; "dad; did you see?? ..he was crying!".

We packed up the jeep and left soon after; trailing a respectful distance
behind the old duffer; also winding his way back up the beach; headed for
memories and parts unknown. It's quiet in the truck; my kid sensing maybe
now would not be a good time to blast Marilyn Manson. Still; she's gotta dig
a little; so she shoots into the void; "Well; are ya gonna tell me what they
were???" My kid's expression is kinda half defiant; half inquisitive, the
look I get when she thinks I'm holding back something; denying her
information I might think she's 'too young for'.

"Honey; those were World War Two's big fists.. American Heavy Bombers, a B17
and a B24. They're over fifty years old, very few of them are still flyable.
They are kept as curiosities now, flown and shown as attractions for
Airshows. Probably less than 10 B17's left, far fewer B24's. During the War;
they used to fly in numbers so vast; the sky would be dark with them. They
bombed Germany to it's knees; insuring a Victory for the Allies in the War
in Europe. Many cities were leveled; many hundreds of thousands of people
died, both in those bombers because the Germans tried very hard to stop
them, and in the cities and factories they were sent to destroy.. "

"Why was he crying??" She asked; somewhat subdued.

"Maybe he flew on one..." I ventured, ".. everyone that did lost many many
friends; maybe he lost a friend or family member flying on one. They
suffered terrible losses; thousands of those bombers were shot down. Or
maybe his home was in one of the cities that was bombed. That 'sound' you
found so impressive was very terrifying to the people that lived where the
bombers were sent. They came day and night for 4 years..."

Silence followed my diatribe; Candice sat staring out the window at the
lights twinkling on the shore as we swept over the bridge, I roamed my mind
over the history; the waves of Bombers leaving England; the trickle coming
back; the Memphis Belle Story, 12:00 High, all the legends, the Strategic
histories written in the blood of the crews from the Mighty 8th. She breaks my
reverie as we turn onto our street; sez only :

"I'll remember that sound Daddy."

Maybe, if she should ever hear that sound again; she'll remember our perfect
day, the speckled bluefish she caught, the shells; the sunset. Not me. If I
should ever hear it again; I'll be thinking about the old duffer with the
wry smile and misty eyes; about those that did what had to be done when they
were called so long ago. Maybe she'll think about him, and them; too.

Maybe.

I talked to a few people about the Fort and the Liberator over the beach
this last Saturday; they're with the CAF; doing a tour down the Eastern
Seaboard. The B24 you saw is the last one flying; if you get a chance to snap
a shot, I'd like very much to get a copy. If you see the pilots, tell 'em
they're doing a wonderful thing; keeping those birds flying. They should not
be forgotten. Tell 'em thanks; from me, and from some old unknown duffer who
was moved to tears by their appearance in the sky on a summer evening; 50
years out of time.

Steve Anthony, aka Hangtime
Pale Horses Squadron Sept 96
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...at home, or abroad.

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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2000, 08:25:00 PM »
Hangtime,

I get all misty-eyed when it comes to the heavies.  Very well done.  

I've had the honor of being on the heavy bombers and the B-24 Internet mailing lists for about a year now, since my grandfather opened up out of the blue last May and talked about things he hadn't for 50+ years.  I've since joined his bomb group's association, bought their unit history book, and go to a monthly statewide meeting of WWII bomber vets....they are priceless heroes, each and every one of them.  Your account of the old man is one I can see in my mind very clearly, even though I've never met him....I've been blessed to meet others like him.

Send me your address in private email and I'll make some extra prints of my favorite shots of the two Collings birds and send them to you.



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