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Offline Raptor

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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2004, 09:13:58 PM »
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the ARMY picked the P40 over P38
I think this site i was looking at didnt include the P40 because the P40 group that got so many kills were funded by the Chinese.
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Actually the F4U was the first american fighter to exceed 400mph in level flight I believe, not the P38.

P38's were being made before the F4U was. I do believe the p38j was being produced around the time of the F4U-1, and the p38j had more power than our P38L model.
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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2004, 09:46:54 PM »
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In early January, 1943, a captured Japanese Zero was put up against an F4U-1, with the Corsair proving superior in most respects. Against a P-51 Mustang, the Corsair outfought the Army craft above 12,000 feet, and was considered evenly matched below that altitude. A pair of Corsair took on two Grumman Hellcat NOTE Navy Flier Edward "Butch" O'Hare piloted one of the Hellcats, and later flew the Corsair. Observers said the Hellcat was no match for F4U-1. On May 21, 1943 a fighter evaluation meeting took place at Eglin Air Base in Florida. Army pilots flying the Corsair for the first time were high in their praise. Dogfights were held with P-47, P-51, P-38, and P-39 Army fighters and all resulted favorably for the Corsair.

- - Vought Aircraft Testing in 1943


Pardon me for not always taking company advertising copy at face value...  :D
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2004, 09:55:40 PM »
F4U

First flown as the XF4U-1 on 29 May 1940, and was the first US Warplane to exceed 400mph in level flight.

Initial production aircraft (F4U-1) deliveries to service started in July 1942, followed by carrier qualifications in sept of 1942. It was initially rejected by the US Navy as a carrier borne aircraft, and it was left up to the British to take the aircraft into action for the first time. It flew off of Fleet Air Arm carriers.

P38
XP-38 first flown on 27 July 1939.
Pretty cool, it was definetly ahead of its time. Pretty remarkable.

P38L had allison V-1710-111/113 engines i believe, producing 1,475hp.

P38J Had the -89/-91 engines producing 1,425 hp.

At least this is what I am getting out of my reference books, and so  far they all say the same thing.

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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2004, 10:14:11 PM »
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Copy from a book, my friend :)


Yes, and the copy was provided by Vought.  I can find you copy in a  book that says M$ Windoze doesn't suck, but that's not going to change reality.

Find me a quote from the USAAF, USN, or Wright field that says the same thing and I'll pay more attention  :)

I'm not saying the F4U wasn't a fine aircraft, but Vought saying so triggers my conflict of interest alarm.
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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2004, 10:50:14 PM »
F6F  of course!
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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2004, 11:41:23 PM »
A couple of things.

I always fly the F4U because I am a huge plane biggot. I make no bones the F4U fits me because it was faster than what could out turn it and could out turn anything it couldn't outrun (Spit XIV might be able to catch it but a well flown light F4U-1 can give a SpitXIV some trouble).

Also on the F4U, P-38 thing I believe the P-38 was first  in 1938 but I'm not sure when the first 400MPH production P-38 was built. I have seen P-38F 1942 which tops out in the 380MPH range. Don't know which P-38 varient was actually rated 400MPH in production. The early F4U-1 1942 was rated at 395MPH by the Navy, Brits and AAF and with water injection at 415MPH.

BTW In Barret Tillmans Corsair History he quotes famous P-38 pilot Rex Barber (Yamamato fame) as saying that if the US could have only built one fighter Bomber during WW2 it should have been the F4U.
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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2004, 12:34:37 AM »
I mostly fly Tiffie and Lala because:

1. I suck ( Im a skilless dweeb)
2. I can run away (sometimes)
3. Tiffie has superhispanos
4. Tiffie is very capable vs Lala
5. Lala is good in base defence

When I try to think and be smart, I also fly 190 A8 and I have quite good K/D in it... It is a blast.

But... I fly almost anything and get kills... ( and get killed) :D


Lately Ive tried even niki. I hate it....:rolleyes:
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2004, 02:07:27 AM »
Stop this annoying argument about the F4U and P38. Also annoying is the fact that I see a LOT of people on the web believe that the F4U was the first plane IN THE WORLD to exceed 400 mph. That's rather ANNOYING since the Messerschmitt Bf 109R (really a 209) made an official record flight of 469 mph in 1936, and the He178 flew more than 400 mph in 1939 as the first jet. The 109G-1 beat both the F4U and P38 as the first operational 400 mph fighter in 1942.
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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2004, 03:15:17 AM »
P38 and Jets. Winging with the squad is a fun time in these rides. =) I dont need to tell you why Morph ;)
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2004, 06:34:57 AM »
D9, 152.
Fast, frail, precise.. who needs good-guy allied all around qualities when the only purpose is killing.
A 190D with 108s would be perfect.
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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2004, 07:07:55 AM »
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P38 and Jets. Winging with the squad is a fun time in these rides. =) I dont need to tell you why Morph ;)


 I remember those good times XJ:aok
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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2004, 08:28:23 AM »
hmmmm.Nowhere did I state or imply that the F4U was the first warplane in the world to exceed 400mph. I simply corrected the impression that the P38 was the first. I specifically stated that the F4U was the first US WARPLANE to exceed 400mph in LEVEL FLIGHT.

However I agree. Stop this annoying argument.
RTR
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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2004, 08:39:41 AM »
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what's your favorit ride in AH


Well anything that's far away from the spitfires and a6m's etc

Far superior plane for me would be Jug D25

Also I start flying the Fokke Wulfs pretty much, they have an excellent armament and accelerate very well
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« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2004, 09:31:07 AM »
I spent 5 years in the Navy as a Russian Linguist, and I guess I sort of "went native." I've always liked the Soviet Planes. So I'm not sure if the Yak-9 fits my stlye, or if my style fits the Yak-9.

The 9U is speedy on the deck, and run with (but not away from) co-E La-7s, and handles fairly well at lost speeds.

The 9T on the other hand, has a friggin Bazooka in the nose. I never thought I'd hear myself say "I have 6 rounds left, that's pleanty" But it is. That's an Amazing gun. It's something of a bobsled though, as it doesn't climb well, and isn't particularly fast (although it seems to hold E fairly well).

So both planes can be competitive in the MA, aren't flown as often as the "big 5" (although the 9u is all over the place these days) and fit well in my Russian affiliation.

-Sik
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« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2004, 12:48:52 PM »
raptor i ment when the ARMY issued a contract for a new aircraft that could be mass made

and the army picked the P40 over the P38 and i think the  P36 2 not sure



o yea the P40 has a better combat record then the P38:D
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