WMD's found in Iraq

[Toad]

So Abu Abbas and Abu Nidal WERE just common everyday tourists! I KNEW it.

And the Czech BIS are clearly a bunch of suck up fools and stooges for the EEEvil Amreeekans. BTW, did you actually read the article in Slate?

Anyway, thanks.

Now if you'll just give me that resolution condemning the US for invoking its right of anticipatory self-defence, we'll have this all cleared up.





At least to your satisfaction.

[Dowding]

I see we have the childish, fingers-in-ears, shouting "I can't hear you!" response so typical these days. You even got 'Amreeka' in there. Are you Grunherz in disguise?

Whatever.

You'll find that I didn't deny that presence of Al-Q operatives in Baghdad, but according to that report, British intelligence discounts its significance and even says the fledgling relationship floundered.

Are you saying that Czech intelligence would equal to say MI6, the CIA or Mossad in capability?

[Nakhui]

Originally posted by Toad

No Iraq/A-Q link? REALLY? So Abu Abbas and Abu Nidal were just living in Baghdad because the local sheep are so warm and welcoming? And the Czechs are just full of BS, right? Becaust the Czechs are sticking to their story about Atta.

You'll never evolve if you don't listen, grasshopper.
Plug your ears and cover your eyes all you want.

You'll be eating crow for dinner shortly.

Still waiting for your glorious Army to find WMD in Iraq... you know those silly things Bush had all that irrefutable evidence of!

Oh wait... it's hidden in the desert! Buried in a sand dune! And what the spy satalites didn't see them bury it? Oh yeah it was done at night! It was dark outside.

Religious fanatics don't only live in the Middle East - they also live in Amereeeka!

You're so convinced of your point of view about Iraq-Al Qaeda... even though your glorious heroes Powel, Bush, and the rest of the US Governement's intelligence analystist don't see the significance which you so daftly think is proof positive.

Obviously they are not as smart as you - but then who is.

Might want to tune your hat to a different frequency.
Your conspiracy story doesn't have wings to fly.

And your arguement about the right to self defense irregardless of the UN charter - well once again you speak and show your lack of knowledge on the matter.

GScholz... shot you down in flames on that one. No mistake about that.

Nice job looking for spectres in all these threads.. However they don't live here.

You continue to ignore the legality arguement, which by the way is the only issue worhty of discussion.

The deal is done... but there are long term ramifications yet to come.

A student of history knows, morality has nothing to do with politics and world affairs... it's only a pretense to another agenda.

[Toad]

I think Czech BIS is perfectly capable of and competent to handle a simple situation lke this:

So when al-Ani replaced Salim at the Iraq Embassy in Prague in 1999, both the United States and the Czech Republic wanted him closely watched in case he had a similar assignment.

The BIS handled the surveillance through its own full-time teams and its network of part-time "watchers" at hotels, restaurants, and other likely locations. Then, on April 8, 2001, a BIS watcher saw al-Ani meeting in a restaurant outside Prague with an Arab man in his 20s.

This set off alarm bells because a BIS informant in the Arab community had provided information indicating that the person with whom al-Ani was meeting was a visiting "student" from Hamburg—and one who was potentially dangerous.

No "rocket science" intel work there... typical "gumshoe dectective" cheating wife type stuff. I think Czech BIS could handle that.


DmdNexus... did you just insult me? Oh Dear! Oh boo-hoo-hooo-HOOO! I am just destroyed.

And as to smarter, it's like that old joke about the two guys being chased by the hungry bear and one stops to put on tennis shoes.  You just have to be a tiny bit faster or "smarter" than the other guy. You never have made me feel like I need tennis shoes.  

[Dowding]

And exactly how does this information contradict the British intelligence report?

[Siaf__csf]

Nexus, no Iraq/A-Q link? REALLY? So Abu Abbas and Abu Nidal were just living in Baghdad because the local sheep are so warm and welcoming? And the Czechs are just full of BS, right? Becaust the Czechs are sticking to their story about Atta.

Heh, there are most probably more AQ living in the US at this time than there ever were in Iraq.

[Nakhui]

Originally posted by Toad
And as to smarter, it's like that old joke about the two guys being chased by the hungry bear and one stops to put on tennis shoes.  You just have to be a tiny bit faster or "smarter" than the other guy. You never have made me feel like I need tennis shoes.  

What can't argue the topic again?

Yet Again?

tisk tisk

Always disconnecting to cast an insult.... another veiled slight... just so subtle for a giggle or two.

[Toad]

I believe, upon an unbiased review, you will find that YOU are/were the one not arguing the topic.

Further, I think you can find the same results in just about any thread where you and I have both participated in the discussion.

Beyond that, I think any realistic review of my posts and those of DmdNexus/Nakhui will clearly show that taking it "personal" is your speciality, not mine.


But all is not lost; I do find your stuff pretty entertaining most of the time.

Dowd, I don't believe it does contradict Brit Intel per se. It clearly shows, however, that there may well be more of an Iraq/A-Q link than has been generally accepted so far. Brit Intel feels the link foundered. Maybe.

From Slate:

The issue re-emerged three days after the 9/11 attack when the CIA intelligence liaison was told by the BIS that the Hamburg "student" who had met with al-Ani on April 8 had been tentatively identified as the 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta.

Atta, the leader of the suicide hijackers and Iraqi intelligence meeting in Prague 5 months before 9/11? Probably just old childhood friends meeting for a Staropramen by the clock tower?

Remember the old "three on a match" warning in WW1?

Atta, Abu Nidal, Abu Abbas...... three all on Iraq's match. Bad ju-ju indeed. Maybe more to follow.  IMO.

[maslo]

Well according to link about Atta and Prague

its long reading about nothing
here is czech version about this problem
http://www.novinky.cz/02/04/35.html

i will make it clear... Atta meet Iraqi ambasador.. fact
another fact is that.... Atta COULD get money from
and last fact is that.... BIS dont know if he got them or not and how


and that Czech minister Jan Kavan.... he is old komunist ***** ...


umm im out

edit.: i forgot to say... that czech BIS said, that he could get money from Iraq ambasador, but we arent able to prove it
And few our later Pentagon claim, that according to czech sources, Atta GOT money from Iraqi ambasador in Czech
...
ummm may be our english just sux

[Toad]

Dueling Googles:

"ANTICIPATORY" SELF-DEFENSE AGAINST TERRORISM IS LEGAL

In fact, international law has always, and continues to,
recognize a right of anticipatory self-defense , and the U.S. w ould be fully justified in relying on that right.

Didn't think you'd agree,just thought I'd point out that not every eminent scholar agrees with your view either.

As to your possible draft resolution, I think the conclusion you reach highlights what I've been saying all along. The UN is a do-nothing organization.

If such a resolution is eventually offered, of course we'll veto it. It will be just another instance of why the UN doesn't work.

As if the Bosnia/DutchBatt/NATO airstrikes scenario or the UN/SC 12-years-of-Iraqi-noncompliance-to-SC resolutions and all the rest weren't enough.

The UN doesn't work. For lots of reasons; now you'd like ALL the reasons to be because of big bad old EEEvil Amreeka. But you know that's not the whole story.

Seems like you're finally agreeing with me.

[midnight Target]

The only political independence threatened was Saddam Husein's. Iraq will be independent and will have the same territory when we leave.

[GRUNHERZ]

Perhaps Panama and Grenada are not much different than Iraq - what did the UN say in those cases?

[Toad]

LOL!

Read what YOU post!

Uses of force not undertaken for purposes of annexing an opponent's territory, or eliminating its political independence, for example, by the installation of a colonial regime, are not proscribed, so long as they are not otherwise inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.

We are not annexing Iraq. Far from it; we're in the process of helping them set up an independent democratic form of government.

We are absolutely not eliminating ist political independence. Far from it, we are in the process of establishing, for a the first time in a long time, a democratic, representative form of government in Iraq.

Colonial regime? You gotta be kidding. We're spending billions to rebuid their infrastructure that SH ignored for 30 years while he built himself 79 palaces or whatever. And they'll own all, run it all in a relatively short time. We even are getting their debt forgiven for them.

We, my Norwegian friend, are leading ALL these efforts. the EEvil Ammreeekans.

Inconsistent with the purposes of the UN? Like, yeah, TOTALLY. We even made SH comply with 12 years of UN/SC resolutions.  

Read what YOU post.

[midnight Target]

'89 was a good year for Whine.

[Nakhui]

Originally posted by Toad
IBut all is not lost; I do find your stuff pretty entertaining most of the time.

Damn it - you've figured it out.
You're smarter than people say you are

I'm really not serious about any of my rants... I don't think people realize that.....I'm usually laughing my bellybutton off as I type.

And if I do say something that offends someone... oh well... if their turbans weren't wrapped so tight they might just get the joke.

Go figure.

GScholz got you on the UN thing.