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Offline Westy

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« Reply #360 on: January 18, 2004, 10:12:54 AM »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3407853.stm

"Three dozen mortar shells uncovered in Iraq earlier this month had no chemical agents, the Danish army says.

I imagine it sucks to have one's hawkish "factual reality" fade to pathetic, wishful fantasy.  Yet again.
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« Reply #361 on: January 18, 2004, 10:30:51 AM »
Must be one of the longest thread in history that didnt get locked :)
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« Reply #362 on: January 18, 2004, 11:57:03 AM »
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Originally posted by Westy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3407853.stm

"Three dozen mortar shells uncovered in Iraq earlier this month had no chemical agents, the Danish army says.

I imagine it sucks to have one's hawkish "factual reality" fade to pathetic, wishful fantasy.  Yet again.



I think as punishment Hortlund, Kieren and Toad should be forced to read this entire frickin' thread from the beginning again, then start a new thread entitled "How Knowing The Facts Now Can Save You Embarrassment Later".

I'm sure there are better thread titles.  Suggestions welcome.

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« Reply #363 on: January 18, 2004, 12:42:39 PM »
It would appear, dear Yowser, reality is whatever you choose it to be. For my part, I fessed to my errors. I hold to where I was right.
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Offline Toad

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« Reply #364 on: January 18, 2004, 05:19:18 PM »
Dear Yowser,

I suggest YOU read my 3rd or 4th post in this thread.. somewhere in there around page two, I believe.

Then YOU can start a new thread entitled "How Reading What Posters Actually Say Can Save You Mucho Embarrassment Later".

Nothing like trying to shine the spotlight on someone's derriere and finding out..... you yourself are center stage.

Read for comprehension next time, chum.

 
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Offline lord dolf vader

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« Reply #365 on: January 18, 2004, 05:28:57 PM »
ever notice if somone disagrees with you they are condecendingly wrong even when they were eywhitnesses to the event.

first time with me was somthing you heard at a raidio controled aircraft group (admited  to after the fact)  contermanding what i heard in the cic of the uss virgina during the fight in question the whole thing was said to put down soudi pilots.

 you never admitted you were wrong then either....
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« Reply #366 on: January 18, 2004, 06:04:00 PM »
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
ever notice if somone disagrees with you they are condecendingly wrong even when they were eywhitnesses to the event.

first time with me was somthing you heard at a raidio controled aircraft group (admited  to after the fact)  contermanding what i heard in the cic of the uss virgina during the fight in question the whole thing was said to put down soudi pilots.

 you never admitted you were wrong then either....


Not unlike you just ignoring questions that would prove you wrong.
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Offline Toad

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« Reply #367 on: January 18, 2004, 06:28:54 PM »
No, I didn't. Simply because you, who was sitting in the CIC of the USS Virginia, are just wrong.

Remember how you thought "Top Secret" was the highest classification? Did you figure that one out yet? As I recall, I enumerated just a few of the higher classifications for you to research. Or do you still congratulate yourself that you were right about that too?

I don't know much about what went on in the CIC of the Navy's USS Virginia.

But I know a whole lot about what went on aboard the RC-135s on station and the AWACS with which they were co-ordinating.

And, again, you are simply wrong. Like I said, someday when the truth is finally unclassified, you'll find out USAF fighters were in position to down the Iraqis long before the Saudis.

But, from what you've posted, you vehemently believe in a lot of erroneous stuff. Passion clearly substitutes for judgement. One more thing like that isn't going to be much of a burden for you. Not my job to convince you anyway.

Have a very nice day.
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« Reply #368 on: January 18, 2004, 09:44:12 PM »
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Dear Yowser,

I suggest YOU read my 3rd or 4th post in this thread.. somewhere in there around page two, I believe.

Then YOU can start a new thread entitled "How Reading What Posters Actually Say Can Save You Mucho Embarrassment Later".

Nothing like trying to shine the spotlight on someone's derriere and finding out..... you yourself are center stage.

Read for comprehension next time, chum.

 
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You mean this post?....

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Toad:

" And the time is not all that far off, now that Saddam is in hand.   I don't personally consider this "stash" of mustard gas to be WMD "enough" to trigger an invasion.

OTOH..... and some of you dance around this..... they ARE chemical weapons.  Now I haven't checked all the various UN pronouncements to see if they were on the "banned list" for Iraq.

The search isn't over yet. Hold the bile on both sides; give it another few months.

If Bush proves right about WMD, I'll probably vote for him.

If he proves wrong, I'll be voting for someone else, contributing to someone else and trying to sway votes for someone else.

After all, you can't go vigilante on a President, even if he deserves it. But you can kick him out ".

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I refer you to the BBC story again in case you still have not heard the news:

"....Three dozen mortar shells uncovered in Iraq earlier this month had no chemical agents, the Danish army says. ".



Notice the difference of opinion between you and the Danish army as to what the FACTS are.

Now exactly what part of your statement "...they ARE chemical weapons. " did I not comprehend?

yowser
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Offline Toad

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« Reply #369 on: January 18, 2004, 11:01:09 PM »
Yep, that's the one!

Did you forget to BOLD this part?

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Originally posted by TOAD

"I don't personally consider this "stash" of mustard gas to be WMD "enough" to trigger an invasion.
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I think that clearly shows my view, don't you? Especially considering the thread title?

Or do you need help with that too?

Oh, and BTW, from the initial report:

Danes show suspect Iraqi shells


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The Danish army has released pictures of three dozen mortar shells which have provided the only post-war proof that Iraq possessed banned weapons.
 
The shells were uncovered on Friday and initial tests showed they contained blister agent, a chemical weapon.[/color]



Anyway, allow me to apologize to putting any creedence at all in the information a sleazy, disreputable news source with a reputation for "getting it wrong" like the BBC puts out as truth. I'll never trust them again, even though most other media outlets were saying the same thing. That rotten BBC!

Thank Cod you've never read something in the papers and thought it was true, eh? Would that every citizen of the planet was as pure and perfect! :lol  


Have a nice day!
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« Reply #370 on: January 19, 2004, 12:59:14 AM »
Sorry to hear you have Alzheimer's.

Man, it must be bad if you can't remember a thread for a few days.

:(

At least you're able to laugh about it, so that's good.

Best of luck with it.
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« Reply #371 on: January 19, 2004, 01:08:19 AM »
Why thank you!

I always got along well with the Norwegians in my UPT class.

You're the very first one I've ever met that was deranged by Alzheimer's though.

;)

Those guys used to get cases and cases of beer and whiskey duty free from the Norwegian embassy in Los Angeles. They were the "suppliers" for the entire squadron.

Ringnes? Was that the Norwegian beer? Pretty fine beer, as I recall it.
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« Reply #372 on: January 19, 2004, 04:57:19 AM »
what the hell are you still talking about ... it was already confirmed, there were no WMD in these shells (whitch was 14 years old)

ehm..
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« Reply #373 on: January 19, 2004, 08:11:59 AM »
"...Anyway, allow me to apologize to putting any creedence at all in the information a sleazy, disreputable news source with a reputation for "getting it wrong" like the BBC puts out as truth. I'll never trust them again, even though most other media outlets were saying the same thing. That rotten BBC! Thank Cod you've never read something in the papers and thought it was true, eh? Would that every citizen of the planet was as pure and perfect! ".


For somebody who seems to think they are fairly bright, you're pretty slow to catch on.  Time and time again, reports coming out of Iraq have ultimately proven to be false.  Yet time and time again you have shown an eager willingness to lap just about anything up....IF it supports your political point of view.

Everybody saw the same story you did but only a few who too desperately wanted to find WMD (we won't go into the reasons why) latched onto it without knowing all the facts.

Time to start thinking for yourself bud.  Your blind partisanship is coloring your better judgment.

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« Reply #374 on: January 19, 2004, 10:49:31 AM »
Get over it Yowser.

Yeah when the world's mass media, INCLUDING THE BBC, said they found chemical mortar rounds I assumed that had that right.

Generally, I trust the BBC to do more complete research than the rest, so when they said the shells

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provided the only post-war proof that Iraq possessed banned weapons


I figured they were indeed chemical rounds.

Now NOTE again that I ALSO said this wasn't enough for me to consider the invasion of Iraq justified on the grounds of "WMD".

I didn't just "jump on this report" despite your attempts to paint it that way. I made no big deal about this find, in fact quite the opposite.

Your pretty desperate to make me look as ridiculous as you do right now. You may pull that off someday, but it won't be on this issue.

Yeah, I had wagers on the timeline of find real WMD in Iraq; 90 days and 180 days. Those are over and I lost. So? Guess what, it didn't change my life a bit.

But, repeating again, I CLEARLY stated in this thread that I didn't consider these BBC "chemical mortar rounds" enough WMD to justify an invasion.

Therefore, and as I have also stated, I'm going to need to "see" some "real WMD" within the next 5 months (6 monts after SH's capture) or I'll be working against Bush's reelection.

Now, you can try to slant that position into "blind partisanship" if you like.

However, I think you're the one that comes out looking visually handicapped.
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