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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2004, 03:59:00 AM »
It's gonna be an amazing thing to watch fly, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to travel in it.

Think of the passenger load/unload logistics!

The baggage logistics!

You'll spend more time waiting to get in, waiting for everyone else to get in, and waiting for your bags than you do in flight!

blech!

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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2004, 04:03:42 AM »
Speaking of Airbus... check out the AB autoland video on this site.

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm

I think it's interesting that in the AB vs Big B competition AB went bigger while the Big B when with new concepts for the dreamliner.

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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2004, 04:10:50 AM »
Well, thats the whole deal, isn't it?

Airbus says - bigger is better - more hub/spoke operations, less gates (but same or more space) required at airports than more flights.  (can you say- no room at heathrow?)

Boeing says: people hate connections, don't like cattle cars.  Prefer more direct flights to closer and possibly smaller airports.  So build midsize, long range, cheap to operate plane and open up more and more point to point routes, bypassing hubs entirely.

Both are probably right to some degree, but the question is, which one is MORE right?

I think Boeing waited FAR too long to get the 7E7 going though, they shoulda started at least a year ago, customers or no.

And since when was 747 development paid for by government?  And since when has airbus' subsidies ended? Who sold you THAT line of bulls|-|it?

re A320 vs 737 - the 320 is 6 inches or so wider than the 737, and so the seats are all each an inch wider, and it makes a BIG comfort difference in coach class.   But the airbus' seem to transmit a LOT more noise of machinery and environment into the cabin than the 737.

But other than seat width - comfort is decided almost entirely by the airlines, and what seats THEY choose to put in.  Boeing, for example, builds no seats - only installs seats that are bought by the airlines elsewhere.

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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2004, 04:53:27 AM »
Aside from Carbon brakes (what a mess to change), Airbus is fine.
But what terminal can support loading the future double deckers?

I have no opinion one way or another about the ship, well... but damn, it would be a mess in a perfect boarding ontime flight; a cancellation would be a bad English soccer fan match after what I went through in O'Hare last weekend. A 5 hour delay, and a story I will save for Toad in detail. It came down too when we all got loaded and the Captain came out and said the flight attendants were 1 minute from "being illegal" so we waited an additional hour on the plane for a new F/A crew.

Anyway, big aircraft are cool, but don't forget the the logistics of that beast in operation.

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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2004, 08:07:47 AM »
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And YOU will end up paying for it, Airbus is a nice govermnet subsidized racket you got there... :)

Where do you get the notion that the US government finaced the 747?

Why cant you be happy about your nice new toy without lying about it and also the 747....


you pretend Boeing never got a single $ from the governement ?

tss tss it's a lie, and you know it :)

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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2004, 09:00:33 AM »
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Well, thats the whole deal, isn't it?

Airbus says - bigger is better - more hub/spoke operations, less gates (but same or more space) required at airports than more flights.  (can you say- no room at heathrow?)

Boeing says: people hate connections, don't like cattle cars.  Prefer more direct flights to closer and possibly smaller airports.  So build midsize, long range, cheap to operate plane and open up more and more point to point routes, bypassing hubs entirely.

Both are probably right to some degree, but the question is, which one is MORE right?

I think Boeing waited FAR too long to get the 7E7 going though, they shoulda started at least a year ago, customers or no.

And since when was 747 development paid for by government?  And since when has airbus' subsidies ended? Who sold you THAT line of bulls|-|it?



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Good post, and "Boeing says" is the direction the company is taking with the 7E7.  They believe the comfort factor combined with speed getting in and out of airports will dominate the Commercial airline market.

Airbus is going "big" because they saw what Boeing has made most of its commercial money on, the 747.

Airbus will certainly sell alot of these as freighters, and that sector of aviation is the fastest growing sector in the world today.

Incidently, I think Japan is the next new player in the commercial industry, they've already started with the HondaJet, it just had its maiden flight last week:


http://www.motorcities.com/contents/03LID540115489.html
Its an expensive endeavor for anyone to enter the commercial airplane market, and Japan, with financial backing from its Gov't and possibly other Asian countries, is poised to take that challenge.

One other note, I know of 5 other Boeing employees on this board, do any of you know what the distance the 7E7 can fly compared to the 767? I heard it was nearly as long-legged.
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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2004, 09:16:08 AM »
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Incidently, I think Japan is the next new player in the commercial industry


With projects like this coming to fruition, it's a very exciting time to be in aviation. There are several companies pushing to get personal jets on the market. That's going to bring about a big change in the industry, I think.

Aside from just the fact that the smaller jets will be able to get into nearby relief airports such as Van Nuys or Bob Hope for LAX, Deer Valley or Scottsdale for PHX, it will also create a pretty big trickle down effect for jobs. The small jets will open more doors for the over 60 club, which will open other doors for corporate pilots, airline, regional, etc., which will pull up CFIs from flight schools, which will attract more students as they see people getting hired on...

Now, if I could just convience someone to let me take up their Corsair... :D

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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2004, 12:22:14 PM »
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you pretend Boeing never got a single $ from the governement ?


ROFL - that's not what he said, nor implied, and you know it.  :P

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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2004, 01:01:35 PM »
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Incidently, I think Japan is the next new player in the commercial industry, they've already started with the HondaJet, it just had its maiden flight last week:


http://www.motorcities.com/contents/03LID540115489.html
Its an expensive endeavor for anyone to enter the commercial airplane market, and Japan, with financial backing from its Gov't and possibly other Asian countries, is poised to take that challenge.


hmm...i see they havent got the flame decals neon lights and oversized stereo system in there yet ;)

hmm...that thing is huge...i think i'd rather fly in a zepplin than that though

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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2004, 01:03:01 PM »
Airbus has benifited tremendously from Phil Conduit, the bafoon.

The people at Boeing, the engineers, the scientists, the designers, the technicians, the office Assistants, the manufacturers...when given a clear and concise path from the leadership will prevail over the european consortium at every approach.  Why?  Because the people at Boeing are the best of people from "all over the world".  Working in the best conditions that promote intellectual freedom and excellence.  Where pride is so thick that it fuels efforts to the most extreme.

Phil Conduit is the one to blame for Boeings problems.  Not the Boeing people who actually design and build airplanes. Not subsidies, and especially not Airbus.  All Airbus is doing is filling in the vacuume created by Conduit.  In my opinion.
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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2004, 04:58:12 PM »
Wow, cool plane. How fast is it to 14000 feet?

And will there be rails installed to ease bigways?

Tailgate option, maybe?

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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2004, 05:24:47 PM »
That is a HUGE plane, WOW!
Will probably compete with the good old Jumbo, and eventually win over it.
Would be nice to have some specs comparisons. Anybody?
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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2004, 05:37:11 PM »
I gonna rent a room on a long flight somewhere on that plane, and bring my own ho´s

Gonna be the first Airborn pimp!
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« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2004, 05:42:11 PM »
Boeings a potato peeling disaster.  Rip you should move through the ranks pretty fast now that 1/2 of your executives are in jail.

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« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2004, 05:45:47 PM »
lol